Topic: Suggestion to make rank-up more difficult - page 6. (Read 2406 times)

before the merits were added it was already relatively easy. it was enough to write a few posts and the rest was done by time.
now things are different and it is not as easy as you might think. you got ~60 merits at the art contest. that is almost a third of all merits you got so far.

and the higher the rank the more difficult it is to get them because users feel that they are more likely to fall into lower ranks in the distribution.
i would not make the system more difficult in any case because i think it is very fair at the moment

If you really want to learn about the emerging crypto economy, and you work with other members to improve your own knowledge, and that of others, then merits will trickle in. Most of my merits have arrived in one and twos, and I used to get a bit stressed when I saw people  getting 50 or so merits for posts that weren't really about Bitcoin. I got a few 50d in the early days of merit. but recently it is rare for me to receive an award greater than 2. In theory I don't need any now, but merits are an indication of community approval for some of my ideas. However, constructive replies to posts are better and more useful.

With regards to the OP, I don't think we need to make the structure more difficult, but in my opinion, the board would be improved if merits were awarded more frequently, but in smaller quantities. It would also be useful if we could return to the concept of broadening knowledge about Bitcoin, and get away from the obsession with scratching for free money from crypto. Merits should be used to improve the quality of the forum, and not to help people to avoid having to work for a living.

OP have earned most of big amount merit from Art contest, and that's he is wondering earn merit is very easy task. I know, it is possible even you can achieve Legendary rank by earn merit. But don't forget there might not another art contest. Merit earning isn't hard for good contributors, but it's not very easy for all over forum users. I believe 50% users still didn't earned single merits. That means earning merit is very difficult for them.

For me, current merit system and rank system working fine. Why should ee discourage new users to join this forum by implement something hard. Just let to go as it is.

Dude, getting 1k merits is no easy pie, we must find a middle ground and current system is fine, not too easy and not to harsh.

I already accepted a challenge (see up). Up to theymos if he will accept it

I think you are talking about those merit hunters who keep making good posts until they reach the desired number of merits and their posting behavior changes but this not happen with everyone atleast until they need 1000 merits.Simply adding one more rank than legendary may resolve this issue for a while but to be honest, ranking is not easy as how it was 2 years back so merit system is doing its job that preventing spammers and farmers from rank up.

Oeleo, you are a smart man, young padawan I am glad you understood my point here, maybe your words are more clever / clear than mine.

First of all slow clap for you.

What you are trying to say? Whatever you do their is a community of people that can pass any restriction in the terms of "GIVE AND TAKE" so everyone will get/reach to higher rank without any waiting standards you just posted...

Regards

That's pretty much how it's supposed to be. The merit system was designed to prevent spammers from ranking up, not to hinder good users. If you do the things you suggest - don't spam, don't scam, don't plagiarize, only make useful posts, learn, contribute, etc. - then you deserve to rank up without being hindered. The merit barrier, as you call it, rightfully shouldn't exist for these users, although arguable it still does. The merit barrier should only exist for the users who are here to spam, and it (largely) seems to be working in that regard.

And ironically, it is the people who are focused most on constructive contributions who rank up the fastest, while those who focus primarily on trying to earn merit and rank up quickly who do not.

Thank you. That's exactly what I meant.


Hehe, that was funny indeed. And I understood your point of view.




For Chlotilde, The Pharmacist and Rengga Jati: I registered in late 2017 but I was inactive until October-November 2019. All my merits were earned since October 2019 and January 2020. 200 merits in 3 months didn't mean too much effort for me. I just behaved normally and wrote my thoughts here. Apparently they were appreciated. So I was a Newbie 3 months ago and now I am a Full Member, close to Senior.


Thank you DdmrDdmr for sharing your opinion, it is very precious to me. Your suggestion is great!


To be honest, I would. But I'm sure he won't accept as he doesn't want any discrepancies inside the forum. Another reason for which I would accept is because I don't care that much about the rank. I am just a normal user and a honorable person. I behave here pure normally. I express opinions and sometimes they are good, sometimes they are not good. I don't cheat the system, I don't scam, I don't spam. And I promote crypto-anarchism, the cypherpunks, free speech and liberty for people.

However, if theymos reads this, he can double my barriers in ranking up. I accept this challenge Honesty and being a honorable person helps everyone in the society and also inside this forum. If you are not focused on merits and ranking up, if you are focused just on expressing constructive ideas, on helping others and on bringing a plus (generally speaking), on the long term, all these will help you way more than if you are oriented on fast rank-ups, on greed, on earning more and more money. Although you could disagree, life makes a difference between those with good intentions and those with bad intentions. Maybe not fast, but in time the difference is made.


I never posted any "motivational" about how I ranked up, nor I will (at lest in the close future, as ranking up to Full Member is way too easy). Besides, I never even make a subtle approach about earning merits, nor I will. You can check absolutely all my topics / posts here. I understand is quite unusual what I wrote in this thread and I understand is also unusual to see someone acting normally in a world full os scams / spams / greed and so on. But I am 100% honest.

I would not make ranking up more difficult, but I would make some changes for sure in lowest ranks.
It is easy to become junior member, and most abuses happens in lower ranks.

The current ranking system (activity + merit) is working and if it ain't broken, then there is no need to fix it. Maybe you are on a momentum gaining merits after merits from the topics and posts that you are making but don't take them lightly.

If you haven't noticed it yet, there are plenty of users here posting how close they are to ranking up or how happy they are reaching a new rank. Some are good but most of them are clearly crying for merits.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve here @OP. Maybe you also want merits for this post, maybe not. Making it harder to rank up will only cause more drama and we have seen plenty of that already. We don't want a #meritbrokemylife2.0

Lol, I'm a staunch supporter of the merit system and I'm all for keeping shitposters from ranking up, but even I don't think it ought to be made harder to rank up than it currently is.  In fact, I've been all for Theymos tapping more members to be merit sources because I think it's already way too hard for good posters to rank up.

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what's motivating OP to write what he did.  I find it hard to believe that he actually wants to make it harder to rank up when it still taking him a long time to do so.  It's way too early in the year for an April fools joke.

Date Registered:   November 06, 2017, 09:35:33 AM

By that logic you should become Legendary any moment now. Early congrats !

Ranking up is not easy. It is not hard either. It is where it should be
I see what you mean, [Legendary] title has a big impact, sort of "the key to the city award" and should be given on some strong premises. That is just a placeholder. Could have been TheDon, Forum GURU, Awesomesauce etc... don't take it literally. Posting over 1000 days stuff that others think it's interesting or witty or revolutionary or just funny is a challenge. I don't see the need for more hurdles along the way. Merit almost solved ranking for spammers, which is good. That was the entire purpose. Not to make it harder for everyone  and at the end (after 7-8 years of being an active member) build a statue for you !

Perhaps there are things that might be better off changing in the forum, but this is not one of them.

We don’t have to take the ranks too seriously, and less of all the name associated to each one. I mean Sr. Member made me feel oldish at the time, and Hero is above my pompous gauge, not to mention Legendary. I get that names like these can be cool for many, and provide a sense of achievement, but ranks may be obtained through many paths, and the Hero and Legendary appellatives are essentially a measure of endurance on the forum (derived from Activity, and even more so now in relation to the obtaining Merits for most). They are not equal to a factual status in real life nor on the forum (with possibly some exceptions).

Honestly, dedicating the time I have dedicated here so far (for better or worse in terms of inputs and outputs) is rather a stretch for me, and the associated Hero rank is irrelevant to me. Nevertheless, it is one of the challenges here, and as such, it is undertaken, knowingly conflicting my personal time limits. One can derive many more challenges here that are knowledge related, that require specific skills and capabilities. Those are harder to obtain and probably more gratifying, albeit subject to more personal time and, dare I say, capabilities.

All in all, I would not enhance the difficulty in ranks per-se, but rather, if at all, device knowledge related features that can build-up a virtual CV (i.e. undertaking courses on such and such aspect of BTC).

If you think ranking up is too easy now, just prove it yourself first! Once you have already become legendary in a short time, then you can come back here to suggest changing the merit system.

For now, I think you are better to focus on improving your account, buddy. Look!! We registered in the same year, in the same month, but unfortunately still a Full member till now. How many years we have passed it? It is already 3 years, buddy. Do you feel it is easy to rank up? For me, it is not easy.

5-10 years?? Are you sure??  
Some members may have forgotten their accounts during that time.  

In history non legend was made in 2years, then we are living in an online society where everything happens faster dude..... so get used to legend being legends faster ....

I think more emphasis should be given on the encouragement of discussions about Bitcoin, cryptos and global economics. At the moment, in order to gain merits, it seems that you need to discuss merits, the forum politics, and the trust system, and if you produce stats and images about this, then you get showered with merits.

It almost seems that Bitcoin Talk merits have aspirations to become a global currency. I'm waiting for someone to produce a merit mining ASIC.

Honorable person, nice choice of words.

Actually, you just have to be active in the forum and make some good post so you will earn more merits that would help you rank up.
ranking up from Newbie to jr, member, member or full member is quite easy, the challenge is the rank up to Sr. Member, hero and legendary, however you won't feel it's hard if you are enjoying your life in the forum, instead, once you are ranked up, you might miss yourself when you are still in low rank.

You nailed it mate. Gaining 1000 merit is a bit frustrating considering we are not all a thread starter here and many are not good to bring creative idea that will gain merit.

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@OP, Please consider that this is a forum and not some kind of organization. We are here to share opinions and knowledge and spending here enough time is reasonable to rank up.

If you really think that ranking system is very easy to attain. Why not you request to theymos to X2 your required merit to rank up so that you will find it more challenging. You are thinking base on your personal status and didn't consider the general condition.