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Topic: Suggestion to make rank-up more difficult - page 5. (Read 2314 times)

newbie
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January 29, 2020, 02:53:00 PM
#44
To be very honest. What I have found is that most of the people here just merit users with higher rank and do not prefer users with lower ranks.
That's not what I've seen. But if you stumble upon new users who make good posts and haven't received Merit yet, please post them in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. I'm still looking for a couple hundred good posts to finally empty my sMerit stash Tongue

Bookmarked your link.

Well I will for sure but who will share mine if I had any?


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hero member
Activity: 2016
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January 29, 2020, 02:06:46 PM
#43
That's not what I've seen. But if you stumble upon new users who make good posts and haven't received Merit yet, please post them in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. I'm still looking for a couple hundred good posts to finally empty my sMerit stash Tongue

Based on my observations, it does happen Wink

But hey, it's their rights to give whoever they please. And there are Merit giveaway threads from time to time so newbies still have a chance.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
January 29, 2020, 01:41:28 PM
#42
To be very honest. What I have found is that most of the people here just merit users with higher rank and do not prefer users with lower ranks.
That's not what I've seen. But if you stumble upon new users who make good posts and haven't received Merit yet, please post them in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. I'm still looking for a couple hundred good posts to finally empty my sMerit stash Tongue
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 1
January 29, 2020, 11:33:07 AM
#41


To be very honest. What I have found is that most of the people here just merit users with higher rank and do not prefer users with lower ranks. I do not know why maybe because they thing that they can get something in return? And yes I also believes that merit of newbies are really hard no matter how good they post.


You got your first merit in your 3rd post on the forum, so it doesn't seem that it's really hard for newbies to get merit if they write decent posts.
There were bunch of merit giveaway threads aimed at the Newbies and Jr Member rank, but barely anyone was applying, to the point that they were locked in the end due low interest.


I will never ever apply in something like merit giveaways thread. I just believe myself that I can help the community and keep it spam free and can earn merit genuinely.

Yes. I got 1 merit on my 3rd post.

Regards
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 5937
January 29, 2020, 11:10:32 AM
#40


To be very honest. What I have found is that most of the people here just merit users with higher rank and do not prefer users with lower ranks. I do not know why maybe because they thing that they can get something in return? And yes I also believes that merit of newbies are really hard no matter how good they post.


You got your first merit in your 3rd post on the forum, so it doesn't seem that it's really hard for newbies to get merit if they write decent posts.
There were bunch of merit giveaway threads aimed at the Newbies and Jr Member rank, but barely anyone was applying, to the point that they were locked in the end due low interest.
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 1
January 29, 2020, 10:40:20 AM
#39
I believe 50% users still didn't earned single merits. That means earning merit is very difficult for them.
The percentage is much higher: in the last 3 months, 121,235 users have been active. Many of those accounts are no doubt owned by the same person. In the past 2 years, 32,570 have received at least 1 Merit. It's no surprise that many of those are users can be found in countless bounty threads.

I think the straggle to get merit is same to all. For newbies it is considered more difficult
To get Merit, you need 2 things:
1. Decent posts
2. Someone with sMerit to give needs to read your posts
You're not a spammer, so I've merited some of your posts.

The art contest was no airdrop. The merits awarded there were for effort, for hours of labour, therefore I really don't understand why it matters if someone earned 300 merits there or 10. They were not airdropped; they were given for real work.
It's not a problem that you earned a lot of Merit from the art contest. The problem will be for you to reproduce this amount and turn it into a consistent flow of Merit earnings.

To be very honest. What I have found is that most of the people here just merit users with higher rank and do not prefer users with lower ranks. I do not know why maybe because they thing that they can get something in return? And yes I also believes that merit of newbies are really hard no matter how good they post.

I believe that merit is something that is free for everyone, anyone can have if he or she is posting constructively and helping the community or contributing.

Regards
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
January 29, 2020, 04:59:28 AM
#38
I believe 50% users still didn't earned single merits. That means earning merit is very difficult for them.
The percentage is much higher: in the last 3 months, 121,235 users have been active. Many of those accounts are no doubt owned by the same person. In the past 2 years, 32,570 have received at least 1 Merit. It's no surprise that many of those are users can be found in countless bounty threads.

I think the straggle to get merit is same to all. For newbies it is considered more difficult
To get Merit, you need 2 things:
1. Decent posts
2. Someone with sMerit to give needs to read your posts
You're not a spammer, so I've merited some of your posts.

The art contest was no airdrop. The merits awarded there were for effort, for hours of labour, therefore I really don't understand why it matters if someone earned 300 merits there or 10. They were not airdropped; they were given for real work.
It's not a problem that you earned a lot of Merit from the art contest. The problem will be for you to reproduce this amount and turn it into a consistent flow of Merit earnings.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 6524
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January 29, 2020, 04:14:19 AM
#37
I started earning merits in October or November 2019, as I was inactive until then. So I earned 205 merits in 3-4 months.

This is indeed a very good track record, and all this might be easy for you, but do you think that it is a good idea to base whole ranking system on the above average merit earners? And you fall into that group. As i said before, some middle ground is needed.
When asking to change something that can affect so many different people, you can't just look from your point of view, broader picture is needed. For example, have you checked the amount of people  that earned certain amount of merit ( e.g. 200 ) since the introduction of this system, and then evaluated whether that amount is too big/too small?
What i want to ask is, did you do the  ground work first, or this is purely based on your merit earning ability?

Thank you for sharing your opinion (twice) here, Rikafip. Indeed I did not check the amount of people who earned a certain amount of merits in a given time. But this is not based only on my experience. I wrote in OP a few motives which made me think that. And I saw many reputable members here earning a lot of merits (well deserved) simply by acting with good faith in mind, trying to help the others and the forum. Which is normal, as oeleo stated as well, for example.

- practically, all you need in order to rank up is to be a honorable person and to wait.
That's pretty much how it's supposed to be. The merit system was designed to prevent spammers from ranking up, not to hinder good users. If you do the things you suggest - don't spam, don't scam, don't plagiarize, only make useful posts, learn, contribute, etc. - then you deserve to rank up without being hindered. The merit barrier, as you call it, rightfully shouldn't exist for these users, although arguable it still does. The merit barrier should only exist for the users who are here to spam, and it (largely) seems to be working in that regard.

Indeed, there are some elitist users here which have a merit vs activity ratio of 2:1, 3:1 or even 4:1. Such as you, Ddmr, Loyce or nullius, for example. I take off my hat in front of you (seriously, not ironic). Such achievement is almost impossible to earn. But I didn't think about this very select circle when I wrote the OP.
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Somehow, based on the upper-written comments, I had (have) the feeling that some suggest that earning merits during that contest was too easy. I ensure them it was not. For example, my drawings took several hours. But ask the guy who created the game how many hours he dedicated for that. Ask Yatsan how many hours he spent for the sublime paintings he made. And so on...
So I suggest to raise the merit standards because it is way too easy to earn them.

See the similarity there?

That was a nice catch and a good point Smiley But the second quote was a bit taken out of context. I meant basically that it is harder for an artist to create art than for a journalist to write good topics and that's why the number of journalists writing high quality materials is much bigger than the number of artists. Then I compared that to the forum, where we can find many good contributors, but they are much more than the participants of the art contest. Think about there are over 2.000.000 registered users and only 600 or so participated in the contest. From those 2.000.000 users I'm sure there are much more than 600 good writers or good contributors. And most likely theymos appreciated as well that realizing a piece of art is hard, he decided to give more merits to those who participated in the contest. This is what I meant to say.

In the end, most of the people who replied here stated they don't think it is a good idea to make rank-up more difficult. In my country we have a saying: if you drink and someone tell you that you are drunk, you can argue; if two tell you that you're drunk you should go home and take a nap. Most likely, the majority is right and I am wrong. But remember, it was just a personal opinion, not a decision which would affect the forum. I just considered I can express freely an opinion.

The good thing is you already realize how hard it is and you want to prove that yourself that you can in spite of every criticisim you being received here. Good luck on ranking up dude. I'll be happy to check what will be your contributions in the coming future and I'll bump into this post of you later on and see how close you are already to becoming a full fledged Legendary rank.

Thank you for the encouragement, cryptoaddictchie, I appreciate it!
And indeed, is hard to swim against the stream, to say so. But criticism is good, as long it is based on rational allegations and expressed in a constructive manner. Not easy to take it, especially when it comes from a majority, but good overall. Makes you wonder if you are wrong.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1315
January 28, 2020, 11:35:34 PM
#36
Careful what you wish for mate. If theymos accept your challenge then it will really be the most challenging moment of your crypto life.

I did agree with you that art contest wasnt an easy task also for gaining merits. I did benefit on that contest too. But gaining there isnt enough to rank up alone on the Legendary rank. Some say it's hard cause literally its really difficult. But I understand your point about getting  to Legendary rank is easy maybe for those active and good poster which showcase improvement.

The good thing is you already realize how hard it is and you want to prove that yourself that you can in spite of every criticisim you being received here. Good luck on ranking up dude. I'll be happy to check what will be your contributions in the coming future and I'll bump into this post of you later on and see how close you are already to becoming a full fledged Legendary rank.
full member
Activity: 305
Merit: 106
January 28, 2020, 06:54:37 PM
#35
Just felt a bit too much like pure bragging and nothing more. Guess that got me flamed. I am a imature prick most of the times but that doesn't mean I don't have pertinent opinions from time to time (the frequency of that is debatable).
GL & HF

P.S. I have no shame! Just saw that you were not understanding the message and were too focused on the irony (as you are again). Just tried to rephrase, not apologise.
P.S. Looking forward to your next thread so I can become Member  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 6524
Fully-fledged Merit Cycler|Spambuster'23|Pie Baker
January 28, 2020, 06:17:52 PM
#34
@Chlotilde
Here is the link you were looking for: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-if-theymos-added-new-rank-after-legendary-5212330.

Btw this is my post in that topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53441314.

Besides that, I feel your frustration from your words but there is nothing I can do. I just stated a personal opinion, as anyone else. The difference though, between anyone else (including me) and you is that all the others talked politely and expressed ideas, while you are ironical here.

First you wanted to laugh about me and my opinion, saying why I am not legendary yet, considering I registered in 2017. You wanted to look smart, but you didn't, as I was inactive 2 years. You didn't bother to check my activity, just jumped on irony. You jumped though without looking where you'll land.

Now, seeing you made an embarassing mistake, you continue with irony.

You could just say what you are thinking in a politely manner, you know?

And if we talk about irony, I could tell you that you earned almost a half of your merits from my post. Most likely, from users who also didn't realize I was active here only 3 months. However, ironically speeking, you should be thankful, not ironical Smiley Without my topic you would have had a half of your merits.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 5937
January 28, 2020, 06:09:44 PM
#33
I started earning merits in October or November 2019, as I was inactive until then. So I earned 205 merits in 3-4 months.

This is indeed a very good track record, and all this might be easy for you, but do you think that it is a good idea to base whole ranking system on the above average merit earners? And you fall into that group. As i said before, some middle ground is needed.
When asking to change something that can affect so many different people, you can't just look from your point of view, broader picture is needed. For example, have you checked the amount of people  that earned certain amount of merit ( e.g. 200 ) since the introduction of this system, and then evaluated whether that amount is too big/too small?
What i want to ask is, did you do the  ground work first, or this is purely based on your merit earning ability?


Somehow, based on the upper-written comments, I had (have) the feeling that some suggest that earning merits during that contest was too easy. I ensure them it was not. For example, my drawings took several hours. But ask the guy who created the game how many hours he dedicated for that. Ask Yatsan how many hours he spent for the sublime paintings he made. And so on...
So I suggest to raise the merit standards because it is way too easy to earn them.

See the similarity there?
full member
Activity: 305
Merit: 106
January 28, 2020, 05:09:56 PM
#32
So I earned 205 merits in 3-4 months.

Not all humans are equal!
Glad it worked out for you. Congrats again! Just enjoy, keep posting useful stuff and good luck on your road to 1k and beyond. If theymos doesn't start posting soon he will drop on second most merited Smiley) You're on fire dawg!
Now on a serious note, if it ain't broken, don't fix it is the phrase mostly used in coding. Same as some say "not your keys, not your btc". You got your feedback. There is no REAL need to change the ranking system. This forum wants to help people, not create crypto rock stars.
Enough showing off already. Accept it and go on as usual.
Fuck it, it's very easy to become a legendary user here! Use the opportunity then. Be all that you can be!
Saw a thread a while back in Meta asking for more ranks after legendary (I'll add a link if I have time to search).. maybe you can bump that one and at 5k you become "insane in the blockchain" rank... donno... the hard cap is the limit!
legendary
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January 28, 2020, 12:34:14 PM
#31
Pmalek, read my previous reply here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53698619

I started earning merits in October or November 2019, as I was inactive until then. So I earned 205 merits in 3-4 months.
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
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January 28, 2020, 12:19:08 PM
#30
@GazetaBitcoin
You are suggesting to make something that is for many already a difficult task, even harder. It is not that easy to get to legendary. You make it sound like we have 1000s of legendaries here who earned the rank with merits. Don't forget that many legendaries were airdropped a lot of merits so they, actually we, had that bit of help. But many still earned 500 + merits and it is not easy.

You have been here since day 1 of the merit system, why don't you have 1000 merits? or 500 merits. If that was the case and you earned those merits easily, this topic could have received different responses.
Fair enough, your merit count to activity ratio is great and you don't post that often I assume, but do you really think it is that easy? You said it yourself. You had to devote hours and hours for your artwork. It was difficult to make it. For the effort you put in you were awarded... I don't know how much, I didn't check, but some members says it's a lot so lets say 50 merits altogether. Would you rather that you received 5 or just 2 if everyone was so strict?       
hero member
Activity: 2016
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January 28, 2020, 07:55:31 AM
#29
IMHO, the current rankup system is fine.

Other forums just rely on post counts, while this one requires Merits along with Activity to rank up. And not every post or thread is Merited so imagine people like me slowly grinding my way through just to reach Full Member, let alone Senior, Hero and beyond.
legendary
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January 27, 2020, 09:07:11 AM
#28
it was no attack against you GazetaBitcoin and the work that went into the art contest deserves my highest respect.

you belong to a select circle of users where merit is above activity.

Thank you for appreciating the efforts of the participants in the contest (including mine), mole0815. It means a lot.
However, this is your opinion. Somehow, based on the upper-written comments, I had (have) the feeling that some suggest that earning merits during that contest was too easy. I ensure them it was not. For example, my drawings took several hours. But ask the guy who created the game how many hours he dedicated for that. Ask Yatsan how many hours he spent for the sublime paintings he made. And so on...

And about belonging to that select circle, what can I say... I am happy of being part of it, I am happy for bringing good contributions here and I thank those who appreciated them. I acted with good faith and I hoped that some of my words / thoughts can bring a plus of value.
staff
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January 27, 2020, 08:30:27 AM
#27
The art contest was no airdrop. The merits awarded there were for effort, for hours of labour, therefore I really don't understand why it matters if someone earned 300 merits there or 10. They were not airdropped; they were given for real work.

it was no attack against you GazetaBitcoin and the work that went into the art contest deserves my highest respect.
but you have to be honest that it's hard to get the merits you want when you're trying so hard to get them.
how it can work is shown by some examples. there are even many instructions with valuable tips.

it is not so easy to rise in rank and therefore the requirements are in my opinion high enough.
the goal should be to be a meaningful member of the board for everyone anyway and then the rest will happen by itself.

you belong to a select circle of users where merit is above activity. this is not the case for everyone and some users have a really hard time delivering good content.
but fortunately with this topic, as with all other topics, there are different meanings and views Smiley
legendary
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January 27, 2020, 08:10:24 AM
#26
I understand that you think the system is fair now and I respect your opinion.

However, why you (but also others) keep mentioning the art contest, as it would be an airdrop? That art contest consisted in hours of work for realizing art. In case you (or others) didn't take part of the contest, or in case you don't know what efforts are needed to create, then you should think again.

The art contest was no airdrop. The merits awarded there were for effort, for hours of labour, therefore I really don't understand why it matters if someone earned 300 merits there or 10. They were not airdropped; they were given for real work.

Do you think it is easier to create art compared to write a quality posting? If so, let's think about how many good artist are now in the world (no matter the field). Are they millions? Are they hundreds of thousands? I doubt. Now let's compare the total number of artists in the world with the total number of good journalists (who write quality stuff, similar to what is required from the forum's users as well). So how many journalists (good journalists) are there? Probably millions. The same happened here: there are two millions of forum users but only a few were given (more or less) merits during the contest. Writing is a thing, art is another thing. And the effort for creation process is bigger than for writing a quality post. You can write a good post maybe in 1h (or 2h or 3h or 10h), but some art creations realized by the participants took days.

That being said, I would expect more respect for those who created art pieces during the contest, instead of contesting the way they earned their merits.

Most likely, all those who keep mentioning the art contest, think it was an easy, effortless job. But that's wrong. However, OP was not determined by the merits I earned from the art contest, but by the opinion I have about how easy / hard is to earn merits. If you act normally and try to be a good user, the merits will most likely come to you.
brand new
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Merit: 8
January 27, 2020, 06:25:01 AM
#25
I think the straggle to get merit is same to all. For newbies it is considered more difficult as they are keeping baby steps but, on the other hand it is also easy for a newbie. The community members know that he is newbie and guide him if he says something wrong or does wrong and deal easily.

But, as and when they are ranked high the are more expectations from that account and there are newbies looking up and trusting on their suggestions. So there is more responsibility and the hurdle is also too long right?

For example from Jr member to member 9, then 90 more for full member and so on. It is higher and higher everytime. How more hard can it get.
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