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Thank you for this and your other suggestions. The team agrees with the points that you made. The tournament schedule is currently being reworked and the information you posted is helpful and will be taken in to account.

If there were to be a 25k tournament added to the regular schedule do you have a suggestion for the best day/time and game varient that you would like to see?

We also love the idea of a mixed game week and will include that in discussions for a future promotion.

An updated daily schedule will be released and added to the lobby soon. Thank you to everyone that has been making suggestions. We welcome you to continue to post suggestions for tournaments that you'd like to see.

Fixed Limit rake has been adjusted today to lower the % and caps.

You can view the current rake table and compare it to previous rake tables on the website at https://swcpoker.eu/old-rake

Building on the relative success of the nightly mixed game tournaments and what I've talked about in my other post, I propose a "Mixed game week". Do a tournament in the 2-10k range every hour from 6pm ET to 3am ET, maybe a 25k on Sunday, that's 7 tournaments, just use the 7 you have daily now. Put some satties up aswell.

Make the NL variants rebuys (Big Bet and Omaha Mix) and tweak the structure for the FL games to have less play early but more play later on.

Watch all the mixed game players actually show up because there's not just that one bare tournament on the schedule.

I have not received answers to emails regarding the chat policy on swc that are over 2 weeks old.

SWC chat mod higherhighs is now misrepresenting the rake changes as a rake reduction rather than a rake increase. Would love to hear SWC comment on this as promised by higherhighs on 8/25.

What's the better way?  I mean it's easier to fill the microstakes tables than medium - high stakes tables imho.  And it does make it more appealing for people to see lots of tables running than an empty site.

Let me preface this by saying, I believe that rake is one of the least issues SWC has and I don't mind the increases (although I don't understand them.. last time BTC price went up, rake% went down, not up..). That being said, I believe that FL HU rake should be adjusted. For comparison, here is PokerStars 2-handed rake. And as said before, you are the only site apart from them offering FL mixed games.



and SWC for comparison:



The reason for this is that FL games have much narrower edges than their NL equivalents. For example, in FLHE, 1,5BB per 100 hands is considered a good winrate nowadays.

This becomes even more drastic when the game is split pot (FLO8, Stud8, Baducey, Badacey, etc.)

I was one of the driving forces for PokerStars changing this, so I hope you understand the argument and change it back. I have also played a whole bunch of HU Mixed against beansontoast for a challenge.

It is much easier to get full ring games running if/when starting a table and playing HU is actually beatable. With this specific change, I doubt it is.


Thanks for considering it.



P.s.: One more thing: higherhighs is lying in chat saying that rake has gone down for 10/20 - 100/200 NL HU games. This is false. While the rake cap went down, the rake% went up, making it an effective rake increase. It's not a good look to lie to your customers, the spin doesn't work, learn from PokerStars in that regard.

This is one of the most irresponsible and borderline malicious way to implement a rake change.  The site essentially changed rake overnight--increasing the rake for a majority of their player base and a majority of the hands played--without notice.  No post on Bitcointalk, 2p2, Twitter, or a notice on their website.  No popups when starting the client.  Unless the site believes that the average player will check the rake page on a daily basis before playing, this is one of the shadiest changes made my SwC.  As a player, I would always assume the rake today is the same as the rake yesterday, or the rake the week before.  If there is an increase in rake, I would expect to be notified.

For certain stakes--the rake has been increased 40% overnight without informing the players.  The only way I found out was from another player who mentioned it off-hand.

This is particularly troubling given SwC 2.0's history of overraking pots in certain situations--something that was uncovered by the players.  We were eventually refunded for some of the overraked hands, but with no way to verify if that refund was accurate, given that they did not provide any useful hand histories for the purpose of rake calculation.


In short, changing rake % or cap is a business decision, and I don't particularly care if it was increased or decreased.  However, it is a decision that directly affects players' money, and any changes--especially changes that increase the amount of rake players pay--have to be communicated to be the players. To change rake surreptitiously is borderline stealing.

i can see hands getting raked at 3% on the 25/50 BBJ tables, so apparently the rake hikes have already gone into effect.

i'm sure this will do wonders for traffic.....

Please add NL 2-7 Single Draw again. Add it to the lowball mix, and bring back 12-game again. As SkyReVo already said, the mixed games is one thing setting SWC apart from other sites. It is basically you and Stars for those of us who enjoy mixed, and you have more of them. Build on that.

It sounds like new rake increases put in place without notifying players.  Is that in fact the case or are these rake changes not effective yet?

This way of thinking is antiquated and doesn't work in today's poker ecology. It's what glitch tried and failed with, gloriously. Every successful poker site has since pivoted.

What any poker site should do is build a solid poker economy from the bottom up.  Meaning build a healthy microstakes economy that players can start playing in, build their roll and move up.  And the higher stakes start getting filled from there.

Oh and get the short deck tables up.  PLO5 is popular at SWC..  Pretty sure they'll looove short deck.  Use Triton rules, more action.  The regular 6 Plus Holdem one tends to make players nitty.

When do the rake increases go into effect? It looks like the rake webpage was updated but I haven't seen any official announcements?

Is this site also anonymous when you play with btc or do they have KYC? Just wondering.

I wish swc would go in this direction as well. The software is good and it runs well. Only things to improve are player base and what you said.

i'm not gonna get my hopes up, but i would love to see this. i used to love buying pieces of MTT players and was staked on and off for sunday tourneys myself years ago. having an automated way to do it in-lobby would IMO result in instantly better MTT liquidity. i'd love to see this on a USA-facing/crypto site and i'd definitely contribute liquidity to it.


+1.

Okay fuck it, I'm slightly drunk and have decided to give it one more shot since incompetent glitch is gone now.

Constructive (lengthy) feedback regarding tournaments (and I know most nanostake regs won't like it):

If you want to be successful, I believe you should look at what competitors are doing right, then analyze what the strengths (and weaknesses) of your product are and then emulate and improve what is working for them.

By far the fastest growing site in the last few years is the GG network, I will use Nat8 as an example. Nat8 has done a few very smart things.



This is what their current schedule looks like. Notice how the average buy-in is much, much higher than on SWC. Apart from the occasional off-game (NL08) and hyper nano tournament, most of them are lowstakes+. I have been playing on this site for longer than most and I can tell you that when they started, they didn't have microstakes at all, tournaments pretty much started in the $11 range.

What does this do? It attracts players with funds and establishes your site as a serious way to make money with reasonable guarantees.
Natural8 started small, and at first they were having trouble getting traffic for the stakes they offered. What did they do?

1) They invented bubble protection. If you were registered before the game started, and you bubbled, you got your buy-in back. This immediately made tournaments run - they still have it, but nowadays the chance of them having to pay out is much, much lower as field sizes have increased.

2) They have automated, in-lobby staking. It gives nanostakes players the opportunity to dabble into the lower stakes you offer by selling (and midstakes grinders to highstakes, making those softer etc. etc.)



3) They increased the min. player for the tourney to run (in this case to 8.), but gave a significantly higher guarantee aswell, because when games run and there is overlay, chances are people jump on it.

4) They intelligently "poached" small but up and coming streamers and gave them a way to a good deal if/when they grow playing on their side (easterdamz, pokerbrahs to name a few), specifically those who expressed dissatisfaction with the sites they were currently playing on.


What are the strengths of your site?

A) You have mixed games. Apart from agent sites, PokerStars is the only other site that offers those afaik. The WSOP is played online this year and GG Poker gets to run it, but all the events are PLO and NLHE now, all the great mixed game championships got scrapped because they don't offer it. THINK of the missed opportunities.

aaand B) Bitcoin! There are a lot of people in the bitcoin sphere who made a shit ton of money, are willing to gamble (they invested in bitcoin early after all) and are symphathetic to any provider that adopts bitcoin only as rigorously as you have done. Remember the twitter 10k tournament that was run by Mr.Hodl? These are the people you are looking to attract.


So, in short:

As of now, you are targeting the wrong audience, most successful sites have figured out that micro- and nanostake players aren't worth the chase. Change direction, get rid of most nano and micro and improve low-to-highstakes offerings, see above how. Notice how my suggestions don't cost you money, the freeloading attitude on SWC is insane (loans in chat, promos, leaderboards etc.)

Improve your satellite games - when fewer nano and micros are offered, people will want to play the lowstakes, give them a chance to get there. This gives them a way into "exciting" opportunities with meaningful guarantees and improves the game quality. PartyPoker has done very very well in this regard, look there for inspiration.



Find a way to make yourself seen, hosting pman ain't the way.

Implement Lightning payments. Deposits MUST be instant, and withdrawals should be, too. This alone will put you ahead of ACR, BOL and all the other shitty US-facing sites.

And focus on mixed games eventually, since that's the main attribute that sets you apart from your competitors.


Good luck. Oh, and fire HH if you want any chance of success.

@SwC_Poker you could consider adding a live poker game to the site, as it’s a very popular game and should be an instant hit on your site.


@TwitchySeal yea they could definitely increase the weekly winning amount, as that would encourage more player’s to participate out there on a more consistent basis.

Weekly and monthly Tournament Leader boards with decent prizes and an avatar or something could help increase traffic.  Only guaranteed tournaments with X players should count, and definitely get feedback on how to calculate points before hand.

I understand the need to have lower stakes options.  I don't play them myself but I know there are those that do so that's fine.  But it is a little frustrating to see a majority of tournaments on the schedule turn in to low stakes tournaments.  A lower buy-in will be more accessible to more players... but it also loses players that don't want to play that small.

The Nightly Seal Battle was a good tournament when it was a 1k rebuy... but I stopped playing when it went to 500.  I think it gets fewer players overall now.  I understand not wanting to overlay with 100k guarantee... so maybe go with 75k or something.  That's one I would play every night.

The newly added daily 5k 8max is nice... but it would get more players with a larger guarantee.  I would play that if it were at least 75k.  The weekly 5k 100k guarantee tournaments on always go over the guarantee.

Something later in the 2k - 5k range would be nice.  I've never personally liked the Late Night Smooth structure... if that tournament were changed to a 2k 30k-40k guarantee with a normal structure I would play that every night.

Overall just a few more options in the 2k - 10k range with at least 15-20 player guarantees.  Maybe something in between 2k and 5k like 3k/3.5k is what's needed as a balance to reach the most players.

Also agree with Lightning network and withdrawals to native Segwit addresses.

Really, huh? Are you? Cool.

- Implement Lightning payments or atleast let us use Segwit (suggested and "in development" for over a year)
- Bring back NL27TD (promised over a year ago)
- Finally give us some 25ks (asked for for many months)
- Fix the god damn Chinese 3 handed tables so whoever gets the button first doesn't have a huge advantage ("in development" for months).

Let's be honest, the reason you don't get "constructive criticism" is because we've been saying the same stuff forever and nobody on your side ever cared, so we stopped caring. You might not want to hear it, but it's the truth. Stop asking for suggestion, you already got a bunch. Work on those.

This is the final time that we're going to ask that these personal back and forth arguments not take place in this thread.

We're here to listen to suggestions and feedback. We're here to work with players to get your ideas on what you'd like to see.

You are welcome to share constructive criticisms about something that you'd like to see change, but posts made only to troll and personal disputes between players do not belong here.



Not all players registered for the tournament were online when it ran. Those players that are sitting out therefore are not counted in the number shown as online in the lobby, because they are not online.



To all players:

What would you like to see added to the tournament schedule?

Is there a specific game or buyin level that you would like to play that isn't currently being offered?

A game that is there that you'd like to have more of?

A current game that you'd make an adjustment to?