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Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1072. (Read 3050071 times)

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November 12, 2013, 11:52:23 PM
true some are a bit flustered by it all..  but if KNC does just ship multiple in one box and it is obvious they cashed the fees that is a bit unbecoming don't you think?  Extra people just means they pay more people but less time paying them

No I don't think it's unbecoming. I personally don't think their intent was to trick people into paying more but that they where rushed in their planning and took the simple route of estimating the total labor + packaging + UPS shipping fee and divided by 200 to make it easy. They wouldn't be able to accurately predict if they would have 200 or 50 separate orders and even if they did it would take some extra work to tweak the shopping cart to reduce shipping cost on multiple modules. Even Amazon often does not discount non-Prime shipping when they ship multiple items in the same box...


they did say you can order up to three per order which does imply more expectence than you state.  If they imagine some order 3 per order you would think you would get a rate of one box shipped..

like i said, I am not fighting it but just acknowledge that it may be a lazy mistake on the webstore worth inquiring about
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November 12, 2013, 11:46:53 PM
lol the time to crop vs whiteout tabs of porn or whatever he had

more lol at your pathetic but effective diversionary tactics.

are you aiming for a knc 'position' as well?

Maybe you should call KNC in the morning and get some of these questions answered.

I know people here would appreciate some answers -- sooo.... can you do it?
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November 12, 2013, 11:42:16 PM

No production, they saved others for RMA....  which is more than enough to cover...

Where did you hear that?





They haven't

They opened orders, at 2pm the site was flooded.

Within 5 minutes the orders were fulfilled.

They tried to close orders, net couldn't handle the load and Andreas was locked out.

At 7 min he managed to pull the trigger, as a consequence quite a few more than 200 have to be fulfilled, so some more boards will be made for those.

Bitpay crashed from load, error #404.

Newegg sell out of stock of Arctic i30s within minutes.

Blockchain is still processing some orders, well at least it was about an hour ago, as Bitpay doesn't pay transaction fees.

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November 12, 2013, 11:40:02 PM
The 24/7 model has grey-colored fan blades, where the other one has white.

I believe the coolers that came in my Saturn have the white-style fans.

Oh no, color clash!  What will I do?   Cry

Lol.

Oh no, the ones used by knc are not designed for 24/7 use!

What will we do?  Apart from have significant facts obscured by retards shills fools god knows who, for god knows what reasons?

Could this explain the never-ending fluctuations on these rigs that defy logic regarding cooling(or heating)



Not lol, at all!

It makes it a little risky to reply when you set up that likely one of those "bad" types is going to respond.

I'm going to take a shot at it though. I work in a closely related branch of Math -- NP style problems. We sometimes see this behavior in the activity of a "solver" (algorithm) which is tackling a large problem -- i.e. trillions of operations to do an approximation...

If I were going to guess -- without doing much analysis -- the answer would be fairly simple...

Every attempt to "solve" the problem which is centered about a given difficulty has roughly equal probability.
However there is a certain amount of variation in the problems we are sent to solve.

If you watch CGminer you will see that most of the problems center around a given difficulty... Say you set Bitminter to use a minimum difficulty of 256 -- what do you see? Try 512 then 1024 -- what do you see as you watch the solution line roll by? (I actually did this testing because I too was curious.)

At difficulty 256, all of the problem will be centered around some value of say 500 -- just because... (it could be 450 or 750 or whatever -- I have not done more than a casual observation that it appears to be so.)

Then if the pool assigns a difficult of 128 say -- then you will see most difficulties come in close to say 384.

Assume difficulty 512:  In all cases there is variance up and down from the new average -- which must be greater than 512 but is almost certainly less than 1024 -- since most of the "problems" are less than 1024 in difficulty.... sometimes it's like a random walk where for a while the difficulties tend to cluster around 1000 say -- but then the average drifts back down -- often slowly -- sometimes quickly.

What you see is a drifting up and down of the hash rate -- but -- it has more to do with the pool sending you a variance in the difficulty.

I suspect the chips are behaving in a way that the hash rate is constant -- but the presented problem difficulty is varying in the way I described... so you get a varying throughput based on the difficulty.

One of the specialists that hang out in this group and works or dabbles in probability theory could explain this better -- but might insist on using the dreaded squiggles that you see in this type of math.

To summarize -- the difficulty presented to your miner will be varying about a central value in a somewhat random fashion. The variance may present itself in such a way as to mimic a pattern that you believe is meaningful -- and it could well be. Proving it might be tough -- the meaningful bit I mean.

As for the random walk part -- go back to the old standby of flipping coins... Heads == +1 tails == -1 ...

Once you drift above or below the zero line you can stay positive for quite a while sometimes (or negative).

Combine the random walks, and the natural variation and what you are looking at could be described quite easily in some mathematical notations.

CGMiner: The 5 Second response wanders up and down slowly. The long term response on CGMiner stays rock steady after a day or two with only long term drift... The fast response display just above the scrolling part varies fairly rapidly.

It seems to me to be related to the difficulty being presented -- not to a varying response of the Miner Chips.


That's is pretty much my best effort in plain English...

If you are having trouble seeing this -- try the tests I mentioned above of setting new minimum difficulties in your worker setup if you are on Bitminter. You may lose a few shares while you play -- but it should not be significant.


Cheers.
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November 12, 2013, 11:37:52 PM
lol the time to crop vs whiteout tabs of porn or whatever he had

more lol at your pathetic but effective diversionary tactics.

are you aiming for a knc 'position' as well?
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November 12, 2013, 11:37:44 PM
true some are a bit flustered by it all..  but if KNC does just ship multiple in one box and it is obvious they cashed the fees that is a bit unbecoming don't you think?  Extra people just means they pay more people but less time paying them

No I don't think it's unbecoming. I personally don't think their intent was to trick people into paying more but that they where rushed in their planning and took the simple route of estimating the total labor + packaging + UPS shipping fee and divided by 200 to make it easy. They wouldn't be able to accurately predict if they would have 200 or 50 separate orders and even if they did it would take some extra work to tweak the shopping cart to reduce shipping cost on multiple modules. Even Amazon often does not discount non-Prime shipping when they ship multiple items in the same box...
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November 12, 2013, 11:29:22 PM

Relax, I'll bet they all go out today...within the next 10 hrs

Atleast the ones they have on hand should be moving out...  they did slip and say they have to make a production run to cover the extras that the webpage staying up too long allowed..  

and not too many caught on to that fact and demand EVERYONE get upgrades since they are making more...  shhh I know but I like smacking bees nests from time to time

 Roll Eyes
No production, they saved others for RMA....  which is more than enough to cover...

Where did you hear that?
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November 12, 2013, 11:27:50 PM

Relax, I'll bet they all go out today...within the next 10 hrs

Atleast the ones they have on hand should be moving out...  they did slip and say they have to make a production run to cover the extras that the webpage staying up too long allowed..  

and not too many caught on to that fact and demand EVERYONE get upgrades since they are making more...  shhh I know but I like smacking bees nests from time to time

 Roll Eyes
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November 12, 2013, 11:27:38 PM
Also, can a Jupiter handle only 1 extra module or 2?  I have yet to see 6 working all at once.  Someone here proved 5.

I might have 3 to sell if only 1 extra can work.

I hope you can get any of them working because you can't "officially" upgrade a Jupiter at all. The only report I've seen of 5-6 running were on a board that already had 6 factory pin headers which are extremely rare from what I can tell. I didn't want to take the chance since I mine only has 4 pin headers and was worried about their statement that the controller does not support more than 4 modules since it's likely the boards with only 4 pin headers are not the same as the ones with 6. Good luck, I hope your gamble pays off!
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November 12, 2013, 11:25:24 PM


Yeah seriously! If you look at the quote I'm (civilly) responding too, he's basically saying that if KNC doesn't offer a shipping refund then it will damage their reputation. He's not asking if there was a mistake and many other people are acting like they were cheated by the shipping price that they agreed to pay. The shipping fee often includes "handling" and considering they are going to "double the team involved in packing" to get these to everybody ASAP it's not THAT bad. I doubt people would rather pay only $30 in shipping that takes a few days longer to arrive and costs them ~$80 in lost mining per module...

true some are a bit flustered by it all..  but if KNC does just ship multiple in one box and it is obvious they cashed the fees that is a bit unbecoming don't you think?  Extra people just means they pay more people but less time paying them

legendary
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November 12, 2013, 11:24:43 PM
Did any of the 200 ship out the door today?
What?
It's still 5am in Sweden Bud.....  lol

Some should've gone out the moment orders switched to paid today.  8am EST was around 1pm for them, right?
no, 2pm CET, and UPS picks up at 130
Relax, I'll bet they all go out today...within the next 10 hrs

Hope so.  Somebody called the office earlier this morning and the guy said they might not ship till next week.  That would suck.

Hahaha, no way...  



We are talking about under 200 tiny boxes...
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November 12, 2013, 11:21:38 PM
Did any of the 200 ship out the door today?
What?
It's still 5am in Sweden Bud.....  lol

Some should've gone out the moment orders switched to paid today.  8am EST was around 1pm for them, right?
no, 2pm CET, and UPS picks up at 130
Relax, I'll bet they all go out today...within the next 10 hrs

Hope so.  Somebody called the office earlier this morning and the guy said they might not ship till next week.  That would suck.
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November 12, 2013, 11:20:32 PM
Yeesh this is a lot of bickering.

Either they will offer a partial refund or something for the seemingly high modules shipping charge (more than the charge to ship a whole miner) and it will be KnC.rep++, or they won't and it will be KnC.rep--.

Either way, I plan to say no more on the subject absent any further developments.

I agree that the shipping price seems high but I don't understand why people expect a refund. If they felt shipping was too high then why did they submit the order in the first place? I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to pay KNC's asking price.


Really, is that how far your logic goes??   Seriously?

umm  because web checkouts sometimes have mistakes perhaps??  if not, oh well, but people weren't going to stop and ask when it sells out in 5 mins..
That doesn't mean people won't ask if there was a mistake in the shipping calc.  Pretty civil behavior

Yeah seriously! If you look at the quote I'm (civilly) responding too, he's basically saying that if KNC doesn't offer a shipping refund then it will damage their reputation. He's not asking if there was a mistake and many other people are acting like they were cheated by the shipping price that they agreed to pay. The shipping fee often includes "handling" and considering they are going to "double the team involved in packing" to get these to everybody ASAP it's not THAT bad. I doubt people would rather pay only $30 in shipping that takes a few days longer to arrive and costs them ~$80 in lost mining per module...
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November 12, 2013, 11:19:29 PM
I had 3 in my cart but decreased to 2. I should have bought the 3 but given how limited they seem, I guess I'm lucky I got them in the first place. Sad
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November 12, 2013, 11:16:43 PM
Did any of the 200 ship out the door today?
What?
It's still 5am in Sweden Bud.....  lol

Some should've gone out the moment orders switched to paid today.  8am EST was around 1pm for them, right?
no, 2pm CET, and UPS picks up at 130
Relax, I'll bet they all go out today...within the next 10 hrs
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November 12, 2013, 11:14:53 PM
Also, can a Jupiter handle only 1 extra module or 2?  I have yet to see 6 working all at once.  Someone here proved 5.

I might have 3 to sell if only 1 extra can work.
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November 12, 2013, 11:11:50 PM
Did any of the 200 ship out the door today?
What?
It's still 5am in Sweden Bud.....  lol

Some should've gone out the moment orders switched to paid today.  8am EST was around 1pm for them, right?
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November 12, 2013, 11:10:10 PM
Did any of the 200 ship out the door today?

I have a very low order number 107XX and mine has shown no sign of movement.

I'd expect it to move in 36 hours
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November 12, 2013, 11:09:29 PM
Did any of the 200 ship out the door today?
What?
It's still 5am in Sweden Bud.....  lol



Tracking e-mails are usually sent out around 2--230 pm....so got a-while yet... Smiley
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November 12, 2013, 11:05:13 PM
Did any of the 200 ship out the door today?
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