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Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1781. (Read 3049501 times)

sr. member
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August 26, 2013, 07:41:14 AM
Sitting in the same boat with my right after day 2 order 2xxx, according to KNC, early October shipment.

October customers are pretty much toast how it seems, September buyers will make their ROI (assuming they start shipping in mid-september) and in November devices according to KNC´s statement will cost a lot less.

Imo, KNC should figure something out for customers who are sitting in this October sandwich, to honour the trust these folks showed with pre-ordering, at least if they start shipping late, .

I´m also wondering about, why KNC can´t (or they won´t?) tell excact shipping dates.
That´s especially for the October customers very important to know.
This is incredibly important.

Say your October order doesn't ship until 29th October. KNC massive price drop starts on November 1st. You order November 1st and you get it delivered November 3rd. So the late October orders will have probably cost, at a guess, $3000 more for only 5 days extra usage!

If you pay current price and get it that late that few days is the least of your worries.
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August 26, 2013, 07:03:34 AM
Sitting in the same boat with my right after day 2 order 2xxx, according to KNC, early October shipment.

October customers are pretty much toast how it seems, September buyers will make their ROI (assuming they start shipping in mid-september) and in November devices according to KNC´s statement will cost a lot less.

Imo, KNC should figure something out for customers who are sitting in this October sandwich, to honour the trust these folks showed with pre-ordering, at least if they start shipping late, .

I´m also wondering about, why KNC can´t (or they won´t?) tell excact shipping dates.
That´s especially for the October customers very important to know.
This is incredibly important.

Say your October order doesn't ship until 29th October. KNC massive price drop starts on November 1st. You order November 1st and you get it delivered November 3rd. So the late October orders will have probably cost, at a guess, $3000 more for only 5 days extra usage!
legendary
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August 26, 2013, 07:02:13 AM
did you ever think about secret alignments between the ASIC producers in general. we saw a photo of KnC, BFL and Avalon.

I think it will make sense that everybody of them get a piece of the cake (customer money).
sr. member
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August 26, 2013, 06:33:09 AM
IF you are worried sitting with a KnC order and seeing difficulty rise and other manufacturers gear announced....imagine the other way round, you're sitting with an order from one of the others and you're watching a much more likely delivery of lots and lots of hashing power from KnC likely to come online long before your gear is delivered.

When all these KnC rigs are running the damage to other companies customers ROI is going to be brutal.
legendary
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August 26, 2013, 06:16:17 AM
scenario is one and only
no asic chips from knc
...
at end of 2013 is most possible to have the asic chips
so no roi
for anyone
only good lawyer
can help us
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August 26, 2013, 06:16:07 AM
The good part is that time is ticking away and in 5 weeks we will know if KnC will fulfill their promises or they will be placed next to avalon and BFL.
Either way, speculation will (hopefully) end.
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August 26, 2013, 06:13:25 AM
I'm still hoping they'll give Gen 1 purchasers a significant break on Gen 2 devices, especially if ROI becomes elusive for those receiving October shipments. Us October folks could be in a tough spot with Sept. miners getting a head start and November units significantly less expensive.

If you're reading this KNC, can you address these concerns?

This!!!

Sitting in the same boat with my right after day 2 order 2xxx, according to KNC, early October shipment.

October customers are pretty much toast how it seems, September buyers will make their ROI (assuming they start shipping in mid-september) and in November devices according to KNC´s statement will cost a lot less.

Imo, KNC should figure something out for customers who are sitting in this October sandwich, to honour the trust these folks showed with pre-ordering, at least if they start shipping late, .

I´m also wondering about, why KNC can´t (or they won´t?) tell excact shipping dates.
That´s especially for the October customers very important to know.

In 5 weeks we are at the end of September already and every production company of the world should know 5 weeks before deadline an exact shipping date.
Theres no way they don´t know if everything is on track as they say (or even ahead of timeline).

So, that opens discussion for two different scenarios.

First, they won´t tell us, cause they are very confident to start shipping very soon (within next 2 weeks) and they don´t want to give out too much information to their competitors.
Next announcement of them would be in 2 weeks, start of shipping (If I´d be them and I´d be more or less ready to ship, I´d do it like this without announcing anything else before anymore).

Or sceanrio 2, they really can´t say cause of unknown variables (they don´t know if they get everything on time from their suppliers) and that would make it pretty unrealisitic that they start shipping in September.

-M4g!c
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August 26, 2013, 05:58:04 AM
Am I missing something.. but doesn't 250 amps at like 5V draw 1250 Watts? You'll need huge PSU for their biggest miners that include like 4 of those ASICs, right? ...If one ASIC chip draws over 1kW..
The ASICs don't use 5V, more likely 1.0V or less. On their product presentation diagram, it's 0.9V. (News section on the website)
legendary
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August 26, 2013, 05:48:11 AM
yes where is the chip
where is the asic chips

Huh??

what to do the board without chip?Huh
legendary
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quack
August 26, 2013, 05:47:58 AM
they have no chips at the moment. maybe they plan to build a taskforce to fly to china.

How you know they don't have any chips at the moment? can someone write to them if they have the chips already produced?

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-30

"Today we have our PCB’s back from the assembly house. These boards will each contain one ASIC chip and be individually connected to the main controller board. The Chip in the picture below is an FPGA which we are using to emulate the full functionality of the boards."

Am I missing something.. but doesn't 250 amps at like 5V draw 1250 Watts? You'll need huge PSU for their biggest miners that include like 4 of those ASICs, right? ...If one ASIC chip draws over 1kW..
legendary
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August 26, 2013, 05:26:44 AM
they have no chips at the moment. maybe they plan to build a taskforce to fly to china.

How you know they don't have any chips at the moment? can someone write to them if they have the chips already produced?

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-30

"Today we have our PCB’s back from the assembly house. These boards will each contain one ASIC chip and be individually connected to the main controller board. The Chip in the picture below is an FPGA which we are using to emulate the full functionality of the boards."
legendary
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August 26, 2013, 05:02:00 AM
if ask knc
will tell you that all is good
and that will have everything in time

but when september and october pass
i want to see what they will have to say

i think that we must found some good lawyers
here at forum
and some guys
like
terrahash avalon and maybe knc
go to jail

eve
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August 26, 2013, 04:58:50 AM
they have no chips at the moment. maybe they plan to build a taskforce to fly to china.

How you know they don't have any chips at the moment? can someone write to them if they have the chips already produced?
sr. member
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August 26, 2013, 04:56:05 AM
come on knc

do the test
i need to buy a psu
 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You have plenty of time to buy your PSU, dont worry
legendary
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August 26, 2013, 04:48:43 AM
they have no chips at the moment. maybe they plan to build a taskforce to fly to china.
legendary
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August 26, 2013, 04:42:35 AM
come on knc

do the test
i need to buy a psu
 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
sr. member
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August 26, 2013, 03:43:21 AM
I took the above KNC quote to mean they don't plan on releasing product during Dec/Jan/Feb to help keep the skyrocketing hashrate down and thereby help customer's ROI UNLESS their competitors release large quantities during those months. Which is almost guaranteed to happen. Am I off base?
That's not my read, no. Under no circumstance will they be selling products in dec/jan/feb.

Haha! What part of "IF" in the following sentence you don't understand?

"We would like to state that ****IF***** any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.ThanksKnCMiner Team "

So they WILL if competitors add large amounts of hashing power in those months. Nothing to debate.
sr. member
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August 26, 2013, 03:06:11 AM
I took the above KNC quote to mean they don't plan on releasing product during Dec/Jan/Feb to help keep the skyrocketing hashrate down and thereby help customer's ROI UNLESS their competitors release large quantities during those months. Which is almost guaranteed to happen. Am I off base?
That's not my read, no. Under no circumstance will they be selling products in dec/jan/feb.
legendary
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August 26, 2013, 02:43:34 AM
you confuse that with another company, this is not HashFast, this modell is from ArseFarts.

On "Baby Jet" I was thinking more along the lines of...


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Crypto-ideologist
August 26, 2013, 02:19:34 AM
I took the above KNC quote to mean they don't plan on releasing product during Dec/Jan/Feb to help keep the skyrocketing hashrate down and thereby help customer's ROI UNLESS their competitors release large quantities during those months. Which is almost guaranteed to happen.

the competitors r applying the same network protection politic with delays  Cool

this kind of politic sounds weird if not every seller apply it

maybe in the future we will a sellers cartel for network protection, just for keep costumers buying their devices (and grant them more money)
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