Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 2113. (Read 3049520 times)

Final stage of development End of April 2013 delivery, ALL SALES FINAL NOT A SCAM WE SWEAR

You're correct, but possibly misinformed. You can choose to order from the second batch now, the idea being you don't have to cough up (in full anyway) until the first batch (0-500) units are confirmed as legitimate.

http://kncminer.com/categories/miners

That being said, you are correct in stating that we have no way of knowing if the "first 500" item is truly limited to 500 purchases.

The Majority of people don't want to buy chips, have them shipped, have somebody else put together different sizes of 10 chips each or several hundred at an extremely overpriced cost, with July, August 2013 deliveries. People would rather have one company where they purchase a product for a reasonable price and it gets delivered. If these guys can actually deliver on their Summer/Early Fall Timeline they will probably dominate the ASIC market, even if BFL is actually delivering, which probably won't be the case, with their waiting for revised chips, plastics, PCB's, new office, power cords, porno movies, 60+ year old assembly workers, Josh's new transsexual hooker.

I dont think it matters anymore.. with the asicminers and avalon DIYs how is a new player going to really make a run now?

heck even BFL might see a mad rush of refunds flying out

Why are peoples expectations and verification of BFL different from other companies. I'm not defending KNC here, but you want hardware to be shown and have it verified in person by several forum members. How many forum members have verified BFL's hardware? Besides Lukes mythical machine that is in their office. Plenty of people have gone down there and seen nothing at their office, no security you can just walk on in and take all of their "miners" that they have produced.

Meanwhile this company actually has a partnership with a reputable company that does $1.5M in sales annually and it gets bashed and held to higher standards than BFL who has done nothing but lie, and treat their customers like shit lol. Reading the posts nothing has been found wrong against this company as a matter of fact a lot of positives have been found which makes it 100% more legit than BFL, yet people put these crazy standards like field trips to their office to verify their product.

I'm not saying that this shouldn't be done, it should absolutely be done!, but why aren't you guys screaming and doing the same thing to BFL, BFL is even easier to visit, yet people just let them slide. Ohh people visited you last month and said pretty much you were all having circle jerks, and it looked like absolutely nothing was being done, great! it just seems very mind boggling retarded to trust one company but not another even though the other seems more legit than the prior for no logical reason at all.

/End Rant

At least BFL have been working with FPGA devices for years. If it is so easy to setup a website to accept pre-order money and google a local FPGA/ASIC design company to contract the actual work, there will be already tons of these companies out there. I still don't know why bASIC's project failed, they had working FPGAs too

One reason, delivery time. If you order today and BFL starts shipping in a week I wouldn't expect you to get your miner until September/October at the earliest. Josh is an optimist with a bad track record for estimates, whatever he tells you simply double/halve it and add/subtract 25% for good measure

BFL is almost ready for shipping, if they start to ship next week, why should I buy kncminer's product instead of BFL's SC which is already proved working?

I suppose that most of the ASIC devices will have similar performance, that 28nm helveticoin offer maybe can provide better performance, but definitely not a magnitude better than existing ASIC products

I support BFL for the simple reason that they stepped in and started a ASICs project that they went ahead with before anyone else. Then a lot can be said about how they have dealt with this whole thing but a 6 month delay in the chip business isn't exactly something that has never happened before.

The Avalon guys also has my respect for starting their own project even tho it at the time seemed like it would be non competitive with BFL simply to have at least one other vendor in the market.

But the KNC guys? jumping on the bandwagon at this point? never heard of them and they have no past products to show for. I wish them the best of luck and I hope their project is real but it's up to them to prove it. The only thing that will convince the community at this point of another viable ASICs vendor is that they show working hardware and have it verified in person by several forum members.  

The traditional first stage of development of products is market research, isn't it?

First find out if there are people willing to buy it?

So getting people to sign up to a mailing list makes a lot of sense as an early stage of development...

-MarkM-

I'm going to save you the trouble, because I know you will challenge me on it anyway.

Look at the first post (I even highlighted it for you):

Well said.. they got a freebie indeed!!!! 

Also, from the experience with BFL the bitcointalk community has seen what happens when a company with little experience in the ASIC field jumps in blindly. Any other who are to follow without having a long history of successful projects in the field will have a much harder time than BFL did to earn the trust of the community. BFL got a freebie just cause they were the first, that's usually how it is.

how about that... it was like he typed it for me! 

BFL, actual history of shipping FCPGAs. They were also the first to announce pre-orders before it became obvious that selling imaginary bitcoin miners became the newest and least risky scam on the interwebz.

During the last 3 months we have had on average of at least 1 new asic scam announcement a week, you are surprised people refuses to trust them until they show actual hardware?

No I'm certainly not.
I'm only stating facts and correcting people who assume things instead of taking the time to read properly.

What is not correct about that?

So BFL who throws quarters at people 1 year with pre money NOT SCAM
Kncminer partnership with a legit 11yr old company, not taking any money BIG SCAM SAUCE

Did i understand everything correctly?

^^ lolz.. beak or no beak shirts coming soon!!

Where is my engagement ring you bastard!!

^^ now ya done it.. our resident asic scam detector has flagged you.



What these people/companys dont understand is that sentiment grows astronomically and once you get into BFL land the community will digital lynch youre brand!

Behave in a manner thats authentic and the community will reward you greatly.. Silence breeds concern and concern turn into fear and uncertainty and when you are asking people to invest in your company or brand at such as scale and you ask of them "trust"... You better be authentic, genuine and forthcoming at the minimum.