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Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 275. (Read 3049515 times)

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...and as I keep posting but few people care, their intention was to ship the new device in march but that was before their Dator Hall intention.  All you have to go on are the voiced intentions of the company.  Stop making excuses for their failures as they are quite capable of that without your assistance.  They will continue to screw would-be miners while you quibble about the use of the English language.

I remember them saying something effectively:  "we sure would love to ship this as soon as Q1, but it could be up to the end of Q2", and within a few days of the orderbooks opening it was very clear that Q2 would be the likely shipdate. Anyone with capability to do basic math would've known Q1 wasn't even a realistic possibility. Their voiced intention, as I just quoted, is not the same as the official company progress/newsletter. It might be seen as semantics to some, but there's a difference between "what we would like to do" and "this is the official word of KNC".

Yeah, people are upset. I've got no skin in the game, I'm not defending them, I'm just examining the facts. Fact is, they said they'd love to be super early, but provided official declaration that it could be as late as the end of Q2.

I told everyone to expect to see late June, possibly July for shipping, based on what I knew of the internal process and their capability. I was off by weeks at most, which isn't bad.

1. They stated in its product description that batch 1 would begin shipping around one month after customer only batch.
2. They stated in its product description that batch 2 would begin shipping around one month after batch 1.
3. They stated in its product description that batch 2 would begin shipping in Q2.

Combine these three statements and you get them saying that the customer only batch would begin shipping two months before the end of Q2, and batch 1 one month before the end of Q2. This obviously didn't happen. The customer only batch began shipping just before Q3, nearly two months late.

From memory, batch 0 (customer appreciation BS batch) was to ship by end of Q2, followed 1 month later by batch 1. This then got shifted, causing a shitstorm, so that batch 1 would be shipped about a week after batch 0. Batch 2 is as you describe.

It provides a cascade of lateness, there's no doubt about that. But you guys are forgetting that Neptunes for batch 0 began shipping in early June. Back in the 178x page range, people were having Neptunes hit their doors. So batch 0 shipped on time. Reports of users from batch 1 receiving shipping info on/before 6/30 started coming in as well, which fits in with their less-than-a-month difference in those 2 batches. I suppose it could be argued on a technicality whether they began shipping then or not, but as far as I would call it, 0 and 1 shipped "by end of Q2".

I wouldn't argue batch 2 shipping late, I was simply saying, not by months.

Again this all seems to be semantics. Some folks are pointing at Q1 or early Q2, but the reality is end of Q2 was the official window. Even then the fine print says "we could still be late".

This is why I tell people to just buy bitcoin.
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They were to start shipping by then, not complete it.

No, Neptunes sold with shipping Q1/Q2 means all of the batch shipping by end of June, not just some.

That might be how you interpret it, but it doesn't mean that was the intention. KNC's first 2 batches of gear last year were advertised as 'starting shipment by ...', not completed shipping by. Context would suggest this also carried over into the new gear.

Example: https://web.archive.org/web/20131109171320/https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners

"Shipment begins ..."

And for the Neptunes themselves: https://web.archive.org/web/20131212133634/https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners

"Shipment begins in Q1/Q2 of 2014"

Not completed by, or wholly shipped out by... begins. They've never once said, in any official documentation or newsletter, that their items would be wholly shipped by a certain day--merely begins.

1. They stated in its product description that batch 1 would begin shipping around one month after customer only batch.
2. They stated in its product description that batch 2 would begin shipping around one month after batch 1.
3. They stated in its product description that batch 2 would begin shipping in Q2.

Combine these three statements and you get them saying that the customer only batch would begin shipping two months before the end of Q2, and batch 1 one month before the end of Q2. This obviously didn't happen. The customer only batch began shipping just before Q3, nearly two months late.
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They were to start shipping by then, not complete it.

No, Neptunes sold with shipping Q1/Q2 means all of the batch shipping by end of June, not just some.

That might be how you interpret it, but it doesn't mean that was the intention. KNC's first 2 batches of gear last year were advertised as 'starting shipment by ...', not completed shipping by. Context would suggest this also carried over into the new gear.

Example: https://web.archive.org/web/20131109171320/https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners

"Shipment begins ..."

And for the Neptunes themselves: https://web.archive.org/web/20131212133634/https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners

"Shipment begins in Q1/Q2 of 2014"

Not completed by, or wholly shipped out by... begins. They've never once said, in any official documentation or newsletter, that their items would be wholly shipped by a certain day--merely begins.

 ...and as I keep posting but few people care, their intention was to ship the new device in march but that was before their Dator Hall intention.  All you have to go on are the voiced intentions of the company.  Stop making excuses for their failures as they are quite capable of that without your assistance.  They will continue to screw would-be miners while you quibble about the use of the English language.

 They have not kept their promises.

 They have not delivered the goods, they have not effected refunds and they have not "given" anyone free hashing while they waited for their late shipment  ALL of which were their voiced intentions!

 PS. https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-24  <--- there you go March.  In print from the source.  Also a bunch of crap about competitors releasing hashing power blah blah blah when all the while it was KNC hashing it up!  Makes me angry to see it again.

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They were to start shipping by then, not complete it.

No, Neptunes sold with shipping Q1/Q2 means all of the batch shipping by end of June, not just some.

That might be how you interpret it, but it doesn't mean that was the intention. KNC's first 2 batches of gear last year were advertised as 'starting shipment by ...', not completed shipping by. Context would suggest this also carried over into the new gear.

Example: https://web.archive.org/web/20131109171320/https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners

"Shipment begins ..."

And for the Neptunes themselves: https://web.archive.org/web/20131212133634/https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners

"Shipment begins in Q1/Q2 of 2014"

Not completed by, or wholly shipped out by... begins. They've never once said, in any official documentation or newsletter, that their items would be wholly shipped by a certain day--merely begins.
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They were to start shipping by then, not complete it.

No, Neptunes sold with shipping Q1/Q2 means all of the batch shipping by end of June, not just some.

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They were to start shipping by then, not complete it.

No, Neptunes sold with shipping Q1/Q2 means all of the batch shipping by end of June, not just some.
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There cannot be any positive reviews of miners that arrived some 2 months late. But they say "During the weeks since our customers started up their Neptune" so I presume it was carefully drafted. KnC has become a rogue, predatory scamm-like sucker. I am sure they are in troubles.

Their announced shipping date was up through 7/31/2014. When did they ship 2 months late?

batch one was supposed to be sent by the end of Q2 which is 30/06. And they completed it I think last week. So ok maybe it is not 2 months but only 6 week or a bit less than that. But there was also this situation with "Hash while you wait". KnC is in deep shit.
They over promise and under deliver.

They were to start shipping by then, not complete it. They started that in early July didn't they? Either way, yes a little late, but certainly not by months--doesn't excuse their missing the deadline, but at least they didn't ship 45~ days late like lastyear. I told everyone back in January to expect late June/early July shipping for Neptunes, and Aug/Sep for Titans.

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What happened to Bitcoin, price droped so much, any bad news?

There's a board for that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=57.0
Thanks for the sharing,  drop to 350 !? Scare me~

Yeah I forgot to add that its a scary place in there, lots of trolls and shills trying to affect the prices.
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What happened to Bitcoin, price droped so much, any bad news?

There's a board for that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=57.0
Thanks for the sharing,  drop to 350 !? Scare me~
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What happened to Bitcoin, price droped so much, any bad news?

There's a board for that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=57.0
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What happened to Bitcoin, price droped so much, any bad news?
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There cannot be any positive reviews of miners that arrived some 2 months late. But they say "During the weeks since our customers started up their Neptune" so I presume it was carefully drafted. KnC has become a rogue, predatory scamm-like sucker. I am sure they are in troubles.

Their announced shipping date was up through 7/31/2014. When did they ship 2 months late?

batch one was supposed to be sent by the end of Q2 which is 30/06. And they completed it I think last week. So ok maybe it is not 2 months but only 6 week or a bit less than that. But there was also this situation with "Hash while you wait". KnC is in deep shit.
They over promise and under deliver.
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Folks, I hate to have to clue you in to reality but the modern concept of 'business' is predatory in nature. Its not just mining. Look at the supply chain from the 3rd world to the 1st world in any area of commerce you care to name and you will find enough crap to rip your heart out if you have one left.

How many times do you see people here include in their ROI calculations on new equipment its used resale value, hoping to get more than it is really worth from the greater noob fool ?

Please spare me the anguish about KNC. I know its fashionable and politically correct these days but please … mind your own affairs and try to do a little good often.


BOOOOM!! All Y'all Just Got Lit Up, Cuh!!

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There cannot be any positive reviews of miners that arrived some 2 months late. But they say "During the weeks since our customers started up their Neptune" so I presume it was carefully drafted. KnC has become a rogue, predatory scamm-like sucker. I am sure they are in troubles.

Their announced shipping date was up through 7/31/2014. When did they ship 2 months late?
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Folks, I hate to have to clue you in to reality but the modern concept of 'business' is predatory in nature. Its not just mining. Look at the supply chain from the 3rd world to the 1st world in any area of commerce you care to name and you will find enough crap to rip your heart out if you have one left.

How many times do you see people here include in their ROI calculations on new equipment its used resale value, hoping to get more than it is really worth from the greater noob fool ?

Please spare me the anguish about KNC. I know its fashionable and politically correct these days but please … mind your own affairs and try to do a little good often.
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In case you missed this sentence 3 days ago as I did.

(KnCMiner, 8/14/2014 1:44:00 PM)

It is so disgusting how this bunch of criminal scum is continuously trying to suck in more money with their subliminal lies from newbies.
I hope Scam Hole and his crew all end up in jail very soon, seriously, before they cause more financial damage to individuals all around the globe - by intent.  Angry




Amen to that.
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There cannot be any positive reviews of miners that arrived some 2 months late. But they say "During the weeks since our customers started up their Neptune" so I presume it was carefully drafted. KnC has become a rogue, predatory scamm-like sucker. I am sure they are in troubles.
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In case you missed this sentence 3 days ago as I did.

(KnCMiner, 8/14/2014 1:44:00 PM)
During the weeks since our customers started up their Neptune rigs we’ve gotten lots of positive feedback and glowing reviews.

(NetworkGuru, Today, 12:04 PM)
Sorry, i just had to laugh my ass off....reading this forum about all the problems with the cables, very late shipments and refuses to refund or not even refund people after months.

The devices are so awesome that people directly sell them after they were finally delivered. Good Job!

Maybe in Sweden things are turned around and a glowing review means:
 "After plugging in my Neptunes, cables immediately started glowing".
or was it a glowing review because of all the anger in it ?

What is a positive one ? Something like
 "The devices are so awesome that people directly sell them after they were finally delivered. Good Job! "

Huh who knows.


It is so disgusting how this bunch of criminal scum is continuously trying to suck in more money with their subliminal lies from newbies.
I hope Scam Hole and his crew all end up in jail very soon, seriously, before they cause more financial damage to individuals all around the globe - by intent.  Angry
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What makes you think the AX1200i comes with 16AWG cables? I've never seen one with anything other than "type3" 18AWG cables. I've seen quite a few of them as well.

I've also had them melt/smoke/burn spectacularly: http://imgur.com/a/UUpEG

I don't "think" they come with 16AWG; they do.

Again with the scrolling up guys...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7508465


I will confirm this for those not in possession of a 1200i or who failed to examine them carefully.  Smiley

Yeah, whatever - the standard 6 pin cables are 18AWG and I just found another of these with blackened, melted ends this time on an antminer S3. I wouldn't have noticed either, but I've taken to doing regular checks based on prior experience with this junk. I'll note too that the connector on the antminer and (for once) the connector on the PSU appear fine. Wire gauge isn't the whole story as I'm sure many here know, and it seems that these cables aren't holding up well after repeated use.

I found the oddball double-ended cables a bit on the ridiculous side, unwieldy and a real PITA to work with with the connector hanging off. Really, it seems a cheap move to not just include 2 x decent power cables with a premium power supply it's not like you can say there aren't enough power connections to go around on the PSU. I had a high opinion of the whole AXi series, but after multiple burned out leads on both an AX850 and several AX1200i, I'll be looking elsewhere. Seasonic?

In the meantime I need more cables. You still making them Cablez? I'll shoot you a PM

Edit: total necropost, I know
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Just got a mail inform Tity status update, knc mentioned they are now waiting chips arrive, so which means at least another month to go, and plus shipping batch 1 Tity owner may hashing on October, this is the most idea predict, any who got other idea?


yeah this is most likely...they will slip a few units out before sept 31st to 'beat the deadline' and we will get our units in Oct more/less depending on your order number

wonder what alts will be at then? litecoin 2c? (my timing is as usual perfect on purchases...but 180 degrees in the wrong direction..its a gift!)

well I did get a BFL refund and an Alpha refund....unheard of in both cases...you can only be so dumb and lucky..so I'm back to dumb ...lucky has left the building.


Searing


oh look, more self-sighgrandizing lies...

plenty of us got refunds in january after they changed the terms for the first time...

do yourself and the rest of us a favour and please stfu
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