Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 557. (Read 3050074 times)
If the document is 100% true or not true at all is no matter, because Cybershuttle was done in mid February.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
you are a giggle of a shill.
so mr, explain to us the difference between tape-out, and full mask?
you are telling us they are the same thing?
go back to selling snake oil. you know FUCK ALL.
Cybershuttle is part of the tapeout process node offered by TSMC. The poster of that thread thinks cybershuttle is post tapeout, which is incorrect.
tape out is just that - tape out. you are at least correct that cybershuttle has nothing to do with full mask, and as I pointed out in my blog - the time-frames, from tape-out are similar (cybershuttle / full-mask). Full mask happens post tape-out. you know FUCK ALL - go back to selling snake oil.
again, I will reiterate, my blog post was not directed at any one manufacturer. But I do understand your frustration, as the news just means it will be longer til you can get your photo taken with your #1 neptune (which will not have decent burn in and will likely set your house on fire).
BTW... this "Fuck all" stuff really isn't necessary, is it?
tapeout has been done. cyberhshuttle has not. your manufacturer is compiling full mask.
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/services/cyberShuttle.htm
as you can see, "Cybershuttle" is indeed a coined term for TSMC's speedy tape-out development process.
If the document is 100% true or not true at all is no matter, because Cybershuttle was done in mid February.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
you are a giggle of a shill.
so mr, explain to us the difference between tape-out, and full mask?
you are telling us they are the same thing?
go back to selling snake oil. you know FUCK ALL.
Cybershuttle is part of the tapeout process node offered by TSMC. The poster of that thread thinks cybershuttle is post tapeout, which is incorrect.
tape out is just that - tape out. you are at least correct that cybershuttle has nothing to do with full mask, and as I pointed out in my blog - the time-frames, from tape-out are similar (cybershuttle / full-mask). Full mask happens post tape-out. you know FUCK ALL - go back to selling snake oil.
again, I will reiterate, my blog post was not directed at any one manufacturer. But I do understand your frustration, as the news just means it will be longer til you can get your photo taken with your #1 neptune (which will not have decent burn in and will likely set your house on fire).
BTW... this "Fuck all" stuff really isn't necessary, is it?
tapeout has been done. cyberhshuttle has not. your manufacturer is compiling full mask.
If the document is 100% true or not true at all is no matter, because Cybershuttle was done in mid February.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
you are a giggle of a shill.
so mr, explain to us the difference between tape-out, and full mask?
you are telling us they are the same thing?
go back to selling snake oil. you know FUCK ALL.
Cybershuttle is part of the tapeout process node offered by TSMC. The poster of that thread thinks cybershuttle is post tapeout, which is incorrect.
tape out is just that - tape out. you are at least correct that cybershuttle has nothing to do with full mask, and as I pointed out in my blog - the time-frames, from tape-out are similar (cybershuttle / full-mask). Full mask happens post tape-out. you know FUCK ALL - go back to selling snake oil.
again, I will reiterate, my blog post was not directed at any one manufacturer. But I do understand your frustration, as the news just means it will be longer til you can get your photo taken with your #1 neptune (which will not have decent burn in and will likely set your house on fire).
BTW... this "Fuck all" stuff really isn't necessary, is it?
If the document is 100% true or not true at all is no matter, because Cybershuttle was done in mid February.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
you are a giggle of a shill.
so mr, explain to us the difference between tape-out, and full mask?
you are telling us they are the same thing?
go back to selling snake oil. you know FUCK ALL.
Cybershuttle is part of the tapeout process node offered by TSMC. The poster of that thread thinks cybershuttle is post tapeout, which is incorrect.
"snake oil", ROFL. Pot calling Kettle black here imho
He cites cybershuttle as being the reason KNC will be late.... when its been done since mid Feb.
That was part of the code re-submission in December.
If the document is 100% true or not true at all is no matter, because Cybershuttle was done in mid February.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
you are a giggle of a shill.
so mr, explain to us the difference between tape-out, and full mask?
you are telling us they are the same thing?
EDIT:
apologies for my tone, this was out of order. R.
If the document is 100% true or not true at all is no matter, because Cybershuttle was done in mid February.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6004642
Quoted from the 20nm post... "actual cybershuttle cycle time figures on the 20nm technology, which will be included in the Swedish mining manufacturer KnC and the US Cointerra, shows shuttle times of around 130days, with 16nm at 171 days."
Since KNC's 20nm is an industry 1st for AlChip and AST; where do the numbers come from?
Since KNC's 20nm is an industry 1st for AlChip and AST; where do the numbers come from?
a confidential document. you may now either choose to believe, or disbelieve. either way - keep your tinfoil hat on.
Are those times for RISC or CISC products?
An sha256 ASIC is a SINGLE INSTRUCTION part.
Way less complicated by comparison.
Me thinks you mix apples and oranges.
YMMV
I have cointerra's statistical data on the same document.
yes KnC = apples and CT = oranges.
best wishes.
And 'actual shuttle times' for 28nm are 3-4 months.
KnC delivered in 8 weeks.
This was already discussed.
YMMV
P.S. I'm not claiming KnC has another rabbit in the hat, but They DID have one in there as they said they did, previously.
shuttle times for 28nm were ~80 days, 8 weeks was I agree, very well done on their part.
Are KNC and Cointerra specifically referenced in this document??
Quoted from the 20nm post... "actual cybershuttle cycle time figures on the 20nm technology, which will be included in the Swedish mining manufacturer KnC and the US Cointerra, shows shuttle times of around 130days, with 16nm at 171 days."
Since KNC's 20nm is an industry 1st for AlChip and AST; where do the numbers come from?
Since KNC's 20nm is an industry 1st for AlChip and AST; where do the numbers come from?
a confidential document. you may now either choose to believe, or disbelieve. either way - keep your tinfoil hat on.
Are those times for RISC or CISC products?
An sha256 ASIC is a SINGLE INSTRUCTION part.
Way less complicated by comparison.
Me thinks you mix apples and oranges.
YMMV
I have cointerra's statistical data on the same document.
yes KnC = apples and CT = oranges.
best wishes.
And 'actual shuttle times' for 28nm are 3-4 months.
KnC delivered in 8 weeks.
This was already discussed.
YMMV
P.S. I'm not claiming KnC has another rabbit in the hat, but They DID have one in there as they said they did, previously.
shuttle times for 28nm were ~80 days, 8 weeks was I agree, very well done on their part.
Okay, well they began 20nm prior to November 5th....
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-63
"Unbeknown to the community we are currently developing the next generation product in 20nm/16nm process with Alchip, "
... and then completed "Tape Out" mid February....
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-78
This important milestone was achieved only 3 months after starting the project, during February 2014.
So the issue in the post then is "Cybershuttle", which refers to tape-out at TSMC, and was already completed mid Feb.
Cybershuttle is nothing more than a pre-production tapeout service made for speed, and once the "Tapeout" is complete, so is "Cybershuttle"
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/services/cyberShuttle.htm
In conclusion, "Cybershuttle" phase, was from November, to February for KNC... which is most likely where the estimate comes from.
and KNC has already told us they are in the "Foundry" stage.
So.... I see no delay here.
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-63
"Unbeknown to the community we are currently developing the next generation product in 20nm/16nm process with Alchip, "
... and then completed "Tape Out" mid February....
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-78
This important milestone was achieved only 3 months after starting the project, during February 2014.
So the issue in the post then is "Cybershuttle", which refers to tape-out at TSMC, and was already completed mid Feb.
Cybershuttle is nothing more than a pre-production tapeout service made for speed, and once the "Tapeout" is complete, so is "Cybershuttle"
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/services/cyberShuttle.htm
In conclusion, "Cybershuttle" phase, was from November, to February for KNC... which is most likely where the estimate comes from.
and KNC has already told us they are in the "Foundry" stage.
So.... I see no delay here.
Quoted from the 20nm post... "actual cybershuttle cycle time figures on the 20nm technology, which will be included in the Swedish mining manufacturer KnC and the US Cointerra, shows shuttle times of around 130days, with 16nm at 171 days."
Since KNC's 20nm is an industry 1st for AlChip and AST; where do the numbers come from?
Since KNC's 20nm is an industry 1st for AlChip and AST; where do the numbers come from?
a confidential document. you may now either choose to believe, or disbelieve. either way - keep your tinfoil hat on.
Are those times for RISC or CISC products?
An sha256 ASIC is a SINGLE INSTRUCTION part.
Way less complicated by comparison.
Me thinks you mix apples and oranges.
YMMV
I have cointerra's statistical data on the same document.
yes KnC = apples and CT = oranges.
best wishes.
And 'actual shuttle times' for 28nm are 3-4 months.
KnC delivered in 8 weeks.
This was already discussed.
YMMV
P.S. I'm not claiming KnC has another rabbit in the hat, but They DID have one in there as they said they did, previously.
Cointerra kept their 20nm very quiet, or did I miss that?? 
guess CT's dreams of 14nm FinFen being next are gone.... Considering CT's performance on 28nm, I wouldn't bank on anything special there.
If there's any truth to the document, we will see Plan "B" soon
14nm are too old!
10nm should be next...
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1264668
By the time any ASIC mining rig gets their 14nm rig out the door 10nm chips will be available.
don't consider 14nm. next step is 16nm.
Cointerra kept their 20nm very quiet, or did I miss that??
guess CT's dreams of 14nm FinFen being next are gone.... Considering CT's performance on 28nm, I wouldn't bank on anything special there.
If there's any truth to the document, we will see Plan "B" soon
14nm are too old!
10nm should be next...
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1264668
By the time any ASIC mining rig gets their 14nm rig out the door 10nm chips will be available.
Quoted from the 20nm post... "actual cybershuttle cycle time figures on the 20nm technology, which will be included in the Swedish mining manufacturer KnC and the US Cointerra, shows shuttle times of around 130days, with 16nm at 171 days."
Since KNC's 20nm is an industry 1st for AlChip and AST; where do the numbers come from?
Since KNC's 20nm is an industry 1st for AlChip and AST; where do the numbers come from?
a confidential document. you may now either choose to believe, or disbelieve. either way - keep your tinfoil hat on.
Are those times for RISC or CISC products?
An sha256 ASIC is a SINGLE INSTRUCTION part.
Way less complicated by comparison.
Me thinks you mix apples and oranges.
YMMV
I have cointerra's statistical data on the same document.
yes KnC = apples and CT = oranges.
best wishes.
Quoted from the 20nm post... "actual cybershuttle cycle time figures on the 20nm technology, which will be included in the Swedish mining manufacturer KnC and the US Cointerra, shows shuttle times of around 130days, with 16nm at 171 days."
Since KNC's 20nm is an industry 1st for AlChip and AST; where do the numbers come from?
Since KNC's 20nm is an industry 1st for AlChip and AST; where do the numbers come from?
a confidential document. you may now either choose to believe, or disbelieve. either way - keep your tinfoil hat on.
Are those times for RISC or CISC products?
An sha256 ASIC is a SINGLE INSTRUCTION part.
Way less complicated by comparison.
Me thinks you mix apples and oranges.
YMMV
They offered two options, to keep your hardware order and be compensated for their lateness with cloud hashing "while you wait" so to speak.
Or swap your hardware order for a cloud hashing order completely.
Or swap your hardware order for a cloud hashing order completely.
Hi Biffa,
do you have a link for the offer?
Thanks
spiccioli
From the "Plan B" announcement: https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-75
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Over the next few months we are bringing online enough hashing power to make sure that any delay in the Neptune timeline will be compensated with a completely free hosted hashing packages to all fully paid customers.
In the addition to this commitment, as part of Plan B, for all Neptune customers, we will be offering a free conversion to a hosted hashing package
In the addition to this commitment, as part of Plan B, for all Neptune customers, we will be offering a free conversion to a hosted hashing package
Cointerra kept their 20nm very quiet, or did I miss that??
guess CT's dreams of 14nm FinFen being next are gone.... Considering CT's performance on 28nm, I wouldn't bank on anything special there.
If there's any truth to the document, we will see Plan "B" soon
14nm are too old!
10nm should be next...
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1264668
Cointerra kept their 20nm very quiet, or did I miss that??
guess CT's dreams of 14nm FinFen being next are gone.... Considering CT's performance on 28nm, I wouldn't bank on anything special there.
If there's any truth to the document, we will see Plan "B" soon
14nm are too old!
10nm should be next...
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1264668
Hello,
The Neptune first batch was advertised with shipping either in Q1 or Q2.
*The miners are expected to ship before the end of Q2. Unfortunately, we do not have more specific time frames.
**We are now in the foundry stage and as soon as the chips arrive we will let you all know.
Best regards |
Med vänlig hälsning
Anna Jagdhar
The Neptune first batch was advertised with shipping either in Q1 or Q2.
*The miners are expected to ship before the end of Q2. Unfortunately, we do not have more specific time frames.
**We are now in the foundry stage and as soon as the chips arrive we will let you all know.
Best regards |
Med vänlig hälsning
Anna Jagdhar
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*The miners are expected to ship within Q2.
We have finished designing the chips and now expecting for them to arrive.
We should have more specific information and updates once the chips arrive.
Please do not hesitate in contacting us if you have further questions.
Best regards |
Med vänlig hälsning
Anna Jagdhar
We have finished designing the chips and now expecting for them to arrive.
We should have more specific information and updates once the chips arrive.
Please do not hesitate in contacting us if you have further questions.
Best regards |
Med vänlig hälsning
Anna Jagdhar
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-79
Quote
**We are now in the foundry stage and as soon as the chips arrive we will let you all know.
Good to see the knc customer service have discovered cut and paste
Your $10000+ order means a lot to them.Script based miners are way off yet, don't expect anything from Knc until the end of the year or Q1 of next year.
Cointerra kept their 20nm very quiet, or did I miss that??
now THIS.. is a whole other shitstorm. that's all i'm saying on that particular matter.
PM me
interested to hear!sorry i'm working on a print article. i don't get paid to blog.
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