I'm surprised that so many folks are jumping ship on the Neptune without hearing a peep from Knc.
An official Neptune status update is long overdue. Now that Hashfast is shipping, maybe they will release more Jupiters.
I would love to exchange a Neptune pre-order for 3 Jupiters delivered immediately, as would everyone else, which puts Knc in a tough position.
Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 702. (Read 3050075 times)
Not a single customer has been charged VAT by KNC as far as I know; it's all done external.
Yup, you are exactly right.... as far as you know. :-)
But in the meantime, as a European purchaser, UK specifically... I can assure anyone that cancellation includes purchase price, the VAT charged by KnC & shipping. I lost a few hundred £ unfortunately due to currency fluctuation... But the refund was completed within a week of being requested.
Not a single customer has been charged VAT by KNC as far as I know; it's all done external.
Yup, you are exactly right.... as far as you know. :-)
But in the meantime, as a European purchaser, UK specifically... I can assure anyone that cancellation includes purchase price, the VAT collected by KnC & shipping. I lost a few hundred £ unfortunately due to currency fluctuation... But the refund was completed within a week of being requested.
CTS is legit.
Traced them finally... http://www.cms.uk.com/ they are indeed a subsidiary, and in the same building, and same voice on recording, and one digit off on tele # and My brother talked with Rebecca. I still don't want one though.
I tracked them down to CMS a few hour ago, thanks for the creditTraced them finally... http://www.cms.uk.com/ they are indeed a subsidiary, and in the same building, and same voice on recording, and one digit off on tele # and My brother talked with Rebecca. I still don't want one though.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4714999
And I am 99% certain they are a SCAM. Don't say they are legit when they have produced NO credentials.
If they are so legit, how come you will keep $10k pre-orders for a 3TH machine from knc, when you could get 5TH from this "legit" company delivered on 7th April?
I don't even know why I bother to reply to your posts...
I'm doing what every other miner is right now, crunching the numbers... over & over. It doesn't look nearly as good as one would xpect with the looming diffrise.
They have credentials out the yang... they're just not posted on the site.
CTS is legit.
Traced them finally... http://www.cms.uk.com/ they are indeed a subsidiary, and in the same building, and same voice on recording, and one digit off on tele # and My brother talked with Rebecca. I still don't want one though.
I tracked them down to CMS a few hour ago, thanks for the creditTraced them finally... http://www.cms.uk.com/ they are indeed a subsidiary, and in the same building, and same voice on recording, and one digit off on tele # and My brother talked with Rebecca. I still don't want one though.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4714999
And I am 99% certain they are a SCAM. Don't say they are legit when they have produced NO credentials.
If they are so legit, how come you will keep $10k pre-orders for a 3TH machine from knc, when you could get 5TH from this "legit" company delivered on 7th April?
I don't even know why I bother to reply to your posts...
EDIT: I'm not going to reply to your latest post. You are obviously off the medication
im with avenger, looks like a complete scam job.
I totally agree what it looks like on the site... 
im with avenger, looks like a complete scam job.
CTS is legit.
Traced them finally... http://www.cms.uk.com/ they are indeed a subsidiary, and in the same building, and same voice on recording, and one digit off on tele # and My brother talked with Rebecca. I still don't want one though.
I tracked them down to CMS a few hour ago, thanks for the creditTraced them finally... http://www.cms.uk.com/ they are indeed a subsidiary, and in the same building, and same voice on recording, and one digit off on tele # and My brother talked with Rebecca. I still don't want one though.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4714999
And I am 99% certain they are a SCAM. Don't say they are legit when they have produced NO credentials.
CTS is legit.
Traced them finally... http://www.cms.uk.com/ they are indeed a subsidiary, and in the same building, and same voice on recording, and one digit off on tele # and My brother talked with Rebecca. I still don't want one though.
I tracked them down to CMS a few hour ago, thanks for the creditTraced them finally... http://www.cms.uk.com/ they are indeed a subsidiary, and in the same building, and same voice on recording, and one digit off on tele # and My brother talked with Rebecca. I still don't want one though.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4714999
And I am 99% certain they are a SCAM. Don't say they are legit when they have produced NO credentials.
Order price: $ 9,995.00
Shipping price: $ 150.50
Total price: $ 12,276.06 per Neptune (This is inclusive VAT for The Netherlands)
Shipping price: $ 150.50
Total price: $ 12,276.06 per Neptune (This is inclusive VAT for The Netherlands)
Is it a 100% refund you get from KnC inclusive the VAT and shipping cost?
KNC doesn't collect VAT monies. Your government does; and you pay it AFTER it's shipped, so....no.You like to generalize, don't you
America is not the world
In Europe if you are not VAT registered you pay VAT, which KNC collects on behalf of each country tax office
Well you haven't paid any VAT yet though, I suppose? Here in Sweden you pay customs fee's when shipped.
Anyone of you considered having someone swedish pick it up and write down the value for customs btw? Would increase the value of it quite a bit
don't know about UK, but everyone seemed to be like "manofthepeople" here, charged later.... when it gets shipped
Not a single customer has been charged VAT by KNC as far as I know; it's all done external.
CTS is legit.
Traced them finally... http://www.cms.uk.com/ they are indeed a subsidiary, and in the same building, and same voice on recording, and one digit off on tele # and My brother talked with Rebecca. I still don't want one though.
Traced them finally... http://www.cms.uk.com/ they are indeed a subsidiary, and in the same building, and same voice on recording, and one digit off on tele # and My brother talked with Rebecca. I still don't want one though.
Is it a 100% refund you get from KnC inclusive the VAT and shipping cost?
KNC doesn't collect VAT monies. Your government does; and you pay it AFTER it's shipped, so....no.You like to generalize, don't you
America is not the world
In Europe if you are not VAT registered you pay VAT, which KNC collects on behalf of each country tax office
Well you haven't paid any VAT yet though, I suppose? Here in Sweden you pay customs fee's when shipped.
Anyone of you considered having someone swedish pick it up and write down the value for customs btw? Would increase the value of it quite a bit
oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit? hahaha good luck with that
I wonder if this is something in north european culture that we are missing? In US "speculation" or "profit" is not considered unfair or something bad.
link
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/acccounts/28538-rationale-of-refund-but-no-resale
To cut in line, no matter what, is considered really, really rude in Scandinavia.
We don´t do that shit.
Cutting in line means increasing the number of people in the queue with 1.
Selling your pre-order to somebody else means you leaving the queue and somebody else taking your spot.
How is that rude?
From the all other people in queue point of view nothing has changed.
Except the bad after taste and the person behind you loose his opportunity to move up in the que (as agreed to happen if someone ask for refund). No serious business here in Scandinavia allows that shit, it´s unprofessional.
No serious business would make promises that it is not certain to keep, but KNC does.
I can tell you a few other unprofessional things done by KNC, but that would be pointless.
Is it a 100% refund you get from KnC inclusive the VAT and shipping cost?
KNC doesn't collect VAT monies. Your government does; and you pay it AFTER it's shipped, so....no.You like to generalize, don't you
America is not the world
In Europe if you are not VAT registered you pay VAT, which KNC collects on behalf of each country tax office
Is it a 100% refund you get from KnC inclusive the VAT and shipping cost?
KNC doesn't collect VAT monies. Your government does; and you pay it AFTER it's shipped, so....no. Not surprised by the amount of refunds lately, actually expected more. With Cointerra, Black arrow and Bitmine all likely shipping prior to Knc it just seems like a very bad deal. Even with 30% diff jumps it won't be profitable and I doubt we'll see that in february and march.
Not trying to take a jab at those of you who decide to keep yours, I just think it's sad that Knc aren't even trying to let their customers make money
Not trying to take a jab at those of you who decide to keep yours, I just think it's sad that Knc aren't even trying to let their customers make money
In fact, there's good reason to think many of them won't ship at all. The reasons I'm referring to are KNCminer having delivered and the failure of others to do the same.
Dude, HashFast is shipping in bulk. Cointerra is like 99% ready. Bitmine has taped out and got their chips... you´re kind of looking like:
Sure, that's a good point. What percentage of the promises these manufacturers have made will hold up, in your opinion?
How is it different? Someone got Jupiter for 5K, but sells it for 12-15K on Ebay. Come on.
Life is unfair...someone did not log into computer at 6am in US or did not have 13k cash in the bank or something else.
In my opinion there cannot be one type or morality in one case (selling preorders) and another in the case of selling older/used machines.
If i bought iphone on ebay on day one for extra money, I would not pass judgement that someone "cut in line", I would say that the person did a service for me and I don't need to stay in stupid line for hours.
Besides, what is this stuff about "cutting in line"? How is this cutting in line when we already paid for it? It would be cutting in line if you sell your place in line, not AFTER your bank account got charged. If you paid for it-it is yours in any jurisdiction. Does free will ring a bell?
Life is unfair...someone did not log into computer at 6am in US or did not have 13k cash in the bank or something else.
In my opinion there cannot be one type or morality in one case (selling preorders) and another in the case of selling older/used machines.
If i bought iphone on ebay on day one for extra money, I would not pass judgement that someone "cut in line", I would say that the person did a service for me and I don't need to stay in stupid line for hours.
Besides, what is this stuff about "cutting in line"? How is this cutting in line when we already paid for it? It would be cutting in line if you sell your place in line, not AFTER your bank account got charged. If you paid for it-it is yours in any jurisdiction. Does free will ring a bell?
Is it a 100% refund you get from KnC inclusive the VAT and shipping cost?
oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit? hahaha good luck with that
I wonder if this is something in north european culture that we are missing? In US "speculation" or "profit" is not considered unfair or something bad.
link
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/acccounts/28538-rationale-of-refund-but-no-resale
To cut in line, no matter what, is considered really, really rude in Scandinavia.
We don´t do that shit.
Cutting in line means increasing the number of people in the queue with 1.
Selling your pre-order to somebody else means you leaving the queue and somebody else taking your spot.
How is that rude?
From the all other people in queue point of view nothing has changed.
Except the bad after taste and the person behind you loose his opportunity to move up in the que (as agreed to happen if someone ask for refund). No serious business here in Scandinavia allows that shit, it´s unprofessional.
Not to mention that someone couldn't order because someone who didn't want one already had the spot and they sold out...so instead of paying retail for a machine from KNC they pay a premium from someone who may not be trusted and may not be able to support them as well as a direct KNC buy.
Some very greedy twats in this game. Seriously. Selling an in hand machine is different from a pre-order. Possibly this is one reason for a lot of refunds, they ain't re-selling their pre-orders as easily as they though so they baled out. Given the hassle that gives KNC compared to a normal legit order, and the fucking price going up for batch 2 for genuine customers who couldn't get into batch 1 because they all sold out and many went to the carpet baggers...how would anyone think this is a cool idea?
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