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December 11, 2013, 06:36:15 AM
Any word on reopening 28nm sales again?  These excess bitcoin are burning a hole in my pocket.  Especially with BTC prices back up.  I'm done with preorders for now (I think), I just want more hashing power NOW!

Would go against the KnC network protection policy I think, yes if the competition was launching significant compute power into the channel then i think we would see more Jupiters for sale, however:
Please - they don't give a damn about that "promise". That "promise" was a joke all along. It's only valid if no other asic manufacturer ships Cheesy Which was and is never going to happen. When they are stating just yesterday this is a race, how would shipping nothing for 7 months be a race?

And this bs network "promise" came out when they were looking for money, when they were claiming you could still get a refund right up to shipment. Which as we know now was total bs.

It was a clever way of making the few months they spent developing the next miner look like they were "protecting the network". Which is obviously bs, as they did the November batch of Jups and the fire-sale of rma boards after that. That promise is already broken, if it meant anything in the first place.

We see the difference in knc's attitude, customer service etc now that they have people's money and they call the shots. People who deal with knc will have to accept whatever they do and like it. I didn't see anyone ask or even demand kfc give a better estimate of when they ship than Q1/Q2. People just bought into an open 7+ months window Shocked

I'd like to see just one example of solid calculations anyone did before they pre-ordered a nep(un)tuned, based on delivery in June 2014, which showed it was viable. And took into account all the manufacturers who are about to ship. Most people have made optimistic projections based on March/April delivery, which shows a totally lack of understanding how long the 20nm process takes. And if any of the projections people have posted about what other manufacturers are about to ship are correct, even late April delivery seems a long-shot at making any profit.

But back to the "promise". Why would they refine the Nov Jupiter for an entire month, then shelve it? A viable product they can cash in on, before the other five or six manufactuers start shipping in Jan/Feb?

My guess is they will wait for the current nep(un)tuned batch to sell out, but they really want to take people's money b4 Xmas for another round of Jupiter. So I'd guess they'll have a another pre-order session in the next week or two, latest in January.

Yeah, pre-order, even though they could easily manufacture and sell from stock at this point. But why take any risk at all when they can have their customers take all the financial risk and all the losses if they mess up and/or deliver late. KNC - ship late, ship faulty. That's the way they do business and they have proven it doesn't matter if they do this, people just suck in the losses from any mistakes kfc makes.

Jupiter's are making 0.3BTC/day right now and that'll be blitzed if knc did ship another big batch of Jups in January and when other manufacturers ship in January. So they don't care about the network hashrate or those who bought before. It's a race to take as much money as possible. We'll see another round of Jups and you cats will still buy them en masse, willfully blinding yourselves from how little they will earn and how poised every other asic company are to shipping and doing their own obliteration of the network hashrate.

There is no miners around that you can order now and can be delivered before end January that will give a decent return. The manufacturers use the fact that no-one can accurately project what the network hashrate will be in a few months to blind people into buying stuff that would be good to have now, but will be useless by the time it arrives. People optimisitically assume the hashrate will only go up x, based on nothing but wishful thinking or nothing at all.

There is no way the pre-order model will ever be broken, as it essentially taps into miners gambling blind-side and risk free business for the manufacturer's.

To hell with the network protection promises of the past - who wants another batch of Jupiter's that'll earn you pennies in 2014?! Grin
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December 11, 2013, 05:33:42 AM
I received 2 November Jupiters yesterday that are both hashing at 670ghs on average at BTCGuild with a LOT of variance. The 72 hour graph fluctuates between 640-711ghs. My Oct Jupiter has much less variance at 560ghs average.

I'm seeing the same thing, but I thought it was normal due to peak network congestion and packet latencies. Mine goes from 649 to 709.
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December 11, 2013, 04:09:27 AM
Any word on reopening 28nm sales again?  These excess bitcoin are burning a hole in my pocket.  Especially with BTC prices back up.  I'm done with preorders for now (I think), I just want more hashing power NOW!

Would go against the KnC network protection policy I think, yes if the competition was launching significant compute power into the channel then i think we would see more Jupiters for sale, however:

CoinTerra announces one or two week delay

I spoke with "Peter" on the phone last Friday (December 6th) and he said that the first deliveries will be pushed back 7-10 days...so I doubt anyone will receive anything this year.


BitMine.ch announces three week delay

Does anyone know if these guys have actually taped out? I find it extremely hard to believe that they will deliver anything in February if they have not taped out yet...

Not yet. They do need to tape out asap if they want to hit a Feb date.


BFL Monarch delayed, yet again

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https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html#post69562

There's been a bit of a delay at the foundry on our chips and scheduling. The sample chips have been delayed a few weeks (still waiting on an exact date)

So it appears only Hashfast may launch anything before the end of the year now.
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December 11, 2013, 04:00:03 AM
Well why the hell did you up it to 3.30 volt

I  tried on my jupiter slowly up my boards because i had a die 0 issue board.
Knc asked me to try up the volts

While i was upping the volts in mini steps 2.00 , 2.05 nothing changed
Then i tried 2.10 and guess what the whole miner went berserk
Constant ajax errors and constant page errors in the status pages
It scared the hell out of me, and btw if you look well you see its - x.xxxx volt towards 0.0000 and upwards
So this means you start with -0.1121 or something and you up the power by making it -0.1113 means you up the voltage on that die 0.0008 volts.
when you go over 0.0000 its clearly easier to see.
However even at -0.1221 at 2.1 volts mine was completely messed up
This is clearly not something for me or my controller board is a brick.

Also i have no clue how warm / hot these boards are allowed
This far i have not been able to get 1 single hash increase out of this, and it clearly is makes the miner go berserk.
Ofcourse i have no clue what i am doing with this
There is ofcourse no explaning what is the right thing todo or how to see signs of problems.
knc has a habit of not providing info about anything, so we already getting used to not getting any by now.

I am also wondering why some boards show using 40 Amps and give with 31 watts  at 33 c
And the other board shows 44 amps with 35 watts and is 53 c



again don't jump on me for this ..but are you aware of the past info a few pages back in this thread on reflashing your beaglebone seems some NOV units are arriving as bricks...
if this does not apply to your problem sorry all this is above my pay grade...all I have to contribute it the previous pages thread on reflashing

anyway hope it works out

Searing
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December 11, 2013, 03:39:21 AM
Well why the hell did you up it to 3.30 volt

I  tried on my jupiter slowly up my boards because i had a die 0 issue board.
Knc asked me to try up the volts

While i was upping the volts in mini steps 2.00 , 2.05 nothing changed
Then i tried 2.10 and guess what the whole miner went berserk
Constant ajax errors and constant page errors in the status pages
It scared the hell out of me, and btw if you look well you see its - x.xxxx volt towards 0.0000 and upwards
So this means you start with -0.1121 or something and you up the power by making it -0.1113 means you up the voltage on that die 0.0008 volts.
when you go over 0.0000 its clearly easier to see.
However even at -0.1221 at 2.1 volts mine was completely messed up
This is clearly not something for me or my controller board is a brick.

Also i have no clue how warm / hot these boards are allowed
This far i have not been able to get 1 single hash increase out of this, and it clearly is makes the miner go berserk.
Ofcourse i have no clue what i am doing with this
There is ofcourse no explaning what is the right thing todo or how to see signs of problems.
knc has a habit of not providing info about anything, so we already getting used to not getting any by now.

I am also wondering why some boards show using 40 Amps and give with 31 watts  at 33 c
And the other board shows 44 amps with 35 watts and is 53 c

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December 11, 2013, 03:35:19 AM
i start hash ghash.io

eligius continues with problems

Same problem here, ELIGIUS pool give´s my nov miners everytime an diff of 1024, also two or three times an hour
it is changed. And every time when this bs pool change the diff my miners deliver not accepted shares.

So that at of the day only 91% and less of the delivered shares are rewarded.


Ohh stop telling me about the worker like kjhsdfkjhasdjkf_Worker1, I know and use this.

Over the past few week´s, I made so many test. I figured out that for my miner is one special DiFF is the best,
so that all of my nov Jups deliver 710 to 715 Gh/s without any refected shares. Ok, a little handfull but this
doesn´t matter. =100% accepted.



Open here an pool: Open Pool Now - Ghash . io
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December 11, 2013, 03:17:34 AM
I just unboxed my jupiter. I looked up what IP address my router gave to the box, but i can't go to that IP address from any browser. I tried revoking the DHCP lease so the miner would get a different IP, but I still can't access the control panel of the KNC miner.   I tried the "push the reset button 5 times, wait 5 seconds,push  5 times again" twice as well.

Does this mean I have to ask KNC for an RMA?




go back in this tread a few pages there is info on how to reflash the unit if needed.....compelling read...hope you don' t need the whole process to get it up

(others on here are more informative on this but its late here in usa so all I have is a point in the right direction ie reverse back on this thread see if you unit has those sysmptoms)

Searing
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December 11, 2013, 02:18:06 AM
I just unboxed my jupiter. I looked up what IP address my router gave to the box, but i can't go to that IP address from any browser. I tried revoking the DHCP lease so the miner would get a different IP, but I still can't access the control panel of the KNC miner.   I tried the "push the reset button 5 times, wait 5 seconds,push  5 times again" twice as well.

Does this mean I have to ask KNC for an RMA?

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December 11, 2013, 01:49:43 AM
Any word on reopening 28nm sales again?  These excess bitcoin are burning a hole in my pocket.  Especially with BTC prices back up.  I'm done with preorders for now (I think), I just want more hashing power NOW!


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December 11, 2013, 01:21:16 AM
Any word on reopening 28nm sales again?  These excess bitcoin are burning a hole in my pocket.  Especially with BTC prices back up.  I'm done with preorders for now (I think), I just want more hashing power NOW!
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December 11, 2013, 12:54:10 AM
Awesome.

Thanks soy.
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December 10, 2013, 09:49:16 PM
Asic2 has different volts from the others, this is an upgrade module, are these boards different from the original?

+0.0374V is the default voltage offset for the 8 VRM October boards.

-0.1121V is the default voltage offset for the 4 VRM October boards.
soy
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December 10, 2013, 09:44:25 PM
Hey all,

Just wondering what the channel name / network for the KNC IRC channel.

Thanks

#kncminer on http://webchat.freenode.net/
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December 10, 2013, 09:31:09 PM
Hey all,

Just wondering what the channel name / network for the KNC IRC channel.

Thanks
soy
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December 10, 2013, 07:35:30 PM
so maybe try running htem all from the same PSU?

this is how i was running it until about 1hour ago. 860w platinum corsair, 5 boards pulling 780w

One thing that I would suggest is take an ohmmeter then label all the plugs and make a truth table finally check for continuity between all the grounds checking off the truth table so you know you didn't confuse anything.

I would imagine a supply with separate rails for the 12v supply on multiple 12v plugs should have a common ground between those as well as between the 12v and 5v but who knows maybe they depend on the motherboard to introduce a common point between the voltages.  The miner might not make the ground common in an effort to avoid ground loops - ground loops happening when grounds have more than a single common point.

Using two supplies I would think it could be necessary to join the grounds between the supplies and not count on the miner to make them common. 
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December 10, 2013, 06:22:10 PM
so maybe try running htem all from the same PSU?

this is how i was running it until about 1hour ago. 860w platinum corsair, 5 boards pulling 780w
soy
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December 10, 2013, 06:20:15 PM
now i have connected my other 4 boards I am back to having the same problem  Undecided originaly, the die 0 which had no power came on with power but the others in that asic were low, after a factory reset the other 3 die had power but the original didn't.

the asic in question is running on it's own PSU at the moment

whats causing this conflict? asic works fine on its own with 4 functional die, with the other 4 original boards also running, then 1 die on asic 2(upgrade board) won't power
more than one supply or a supply with multiple rails there might be a missing common ground problem on the dc supplies.
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December 10, 2013, 06:03:47 PM
now i have connected my other 4 boards I am back to having the same problem  Undecided originaly, the die 0 which had no power came on with power but the others in that asic were low, after a factory reset the other 3 die had power but the original didn't.

the asic in question is running on it's own PSU at the moment

whats causing this conflict? asic works fine on its own with 4 functional die, with the other 4 original boards also running, then 1 die on asic 2(upgrade board) won't power
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December 10, 2013, 05:56:57 PM
So I got something.  Not sure if these matter or not but for those with similar issues.   I believe the SD card needs to be formatted FAT16 & my rig might have had a loose ground screw. 


Glad to hear!
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December 10, 2013, 05:42:08 PM
when i run the asic on it's own it seems to be getting power??

also i cranked up the voltage the same as my other asic, 0.0374 and then i was getting about 50w per die for the 3 working ones, yet to try with all 4 working

edit: getting much hotter temps now, running up at 66c, drawing 170w at wall

edit: running 68c now


edit: cgminer is showing nice stats -


edit: running, on higher volatge, much more heat and 210w instead of 170w from wall, no reall hashrate increase, stopped after a minute or so.
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