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CSK : Dhoni, Jadeja, Ruturaj Gaikwad and Moeen Ali

It looks like CSK is building a stable squad again. However, the performance of each team in the IPL depends on the form of the players. Last season we saw that despite having a lot of star players, the performance of the teams was not that much good. RCB can be considered as an example. There was no shortage of star players and celebrities in their squad. Yet their performance was poor.

Honestly, the lack of performance last year was because maybe the players didn't play cricket for a long time and that could affect their performance. People might say that I am taking the side of the cricketers but for me whatever happens I will always support the players. And we all know that the last couple of years were really tough for everyone. So I think cricketers performance from up next is going to be much more improved.

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@galambo, I think there are countries that are genuinely serious about playing cricket. Actually, ICC needs to take a look at that and make the ICC tournaments much more bigger. In my opinion, they should look at FIFA about how they do it. Because if only these 10 or 15 countries play cricket, ultimately that will be bad for the game.

This is correct many countries looking for jump into this game but due to some local interest and test matches having big issues peoples have no time for sitting in ground and having games without any result so recently as we have some good exposure of twenty/twenty leagues now it's very easy for many to bring good and quality players because this format is having very good interest with now new Ten League is also bringing some more interest very fast and entertaining games are need of time which can give very good financial benefit within very less time hopefully ICC will bring some good rules about this all and Associate Countries will also able to have their good share from this all with some better quality and better profit.
Here ICC role is very crucial because they need to be balanced for all leagues and countries for better exposure and results.

I think ICC has to give the shorter format much more important if they do want to bring more countries into playing cricket and a lot of other countries interested. Because if they can keep people interested in cricket we can say that it that cricket playing Nations will be increasing day by day. But to do that the shorter formats are going to be important. And maybe also popularizing the t10 format more can be a great option in my opinion.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 29, 2021, 09:25:48 PM

Do you expect teams like Saudi Arabia and North Korea to defeat Argentina or Brazil in the football world cup? The FIFA World Cup also have its fair share of one-sided matches. But unlike the case with cricket, they don't exclude the smaller nations. On top of that, the qualification process in the FIFA world cup is very fair and even the strongest of the teams need to play the qualifying tournament in order to enter the main tournament. And in cricket, 80% of the slots are automatically provided to the test nations, with the remaining 20% decided on qualifiers.

That's true in fifa WC there are weak teams but they are included since teams from all continent's need to be there. Comparison of football and cricket to me don't make sense since football is global game while cricket is limited to few countries only. 80% slots will continue to go to test playing teams unless we see some talent in associate teams.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 30, 2021, 09:03:31 AM

CSK : Dhoni, Jadeja, Ruturaj Gaikwad and Moeen Ali

It looks like CSK is building a stable squad again. However, the performance of each team in the IPL depends on the form of the players. Last season we saw that despite having a lot of star players, the performance of the teams was not that much good. RCB can be considered as an example. There was no shortage of star players and celebrities in their squad. Yet their performance was poor.

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So far....

Rajasthan: Good for them that they got rid of Jofra and Ben Stokes, both of em are expensive and gun players but they have been big disappointment for their franchise so far.

Mumbai Indian : Not surprising that they didn't opt for Hardik Pandaya, his fitness is becoming big problem now.

RCB : AB already took retirement and Siraj gets a thumbs up due to his recent performance. They also need a new captain, Kohli already left the captaincy.

Punjab : It seems that new franchise want KL Rahul as their skipper and getting a big bucks for that, no other reason of his exclusion.

SRH : Umran Malik and Samad are excellent choice but oh boy where is Rashid? Big bid war coming, i suppose.

These both teams CSK and DC's plans were already out.
CSK : Dhoni, Jadeja, Ruturaj Gaikwad and Moeen Ali
DC : Pant, Prithvi, Axar and Nortje (Iyer's future plan is to leading the team so no brainier here)

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Today the retention of players for the IPL 2022 is taking place and is live broadcast on Star Sports network.

Rules for the retention of players.

Maximum of 4 players can be retained
Purse value for an IPL franchise for retention - 42 crore (4 players)
If four players are retained by a team, then 1st player retained gets 16 crore, second player gets 12 crore, 3rd player gets 8 crore and the fourth player gets 6 crore.

Purse value for an IPL franchise for retention - 33crore (3 players)
If three players are retained by a team, then 1st player retained gets 15 crore, second player gets 11 crore and 3rd player gets 7 crore.

Purse value for an IPL franchise for retention - 14crore (2 players)
If two players are retained by a team, then 1st player retained gets 10 crore and second player gets 4 crore.

Purse value for an IPL franchise for retention - 14crore (1 players)
If only one player is retained by a team, then 1st player bag entire 14 crore.

Source : crictracker.com

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on November 29, 2021, 11:02:43 AM

@galambo, I think there are countries that are genuinely serious about playing cricket. Actually, ICC needs to take a look at that and make the ICC tournaments much more bigger. In my opinion, they should look at FIFA about how they do it. Because if only these 10 or 15 countries play cricket, ultimately that will be bad for the game.

This is correct many countries looking for jump into this game but due to some local interest and test matches having big issues peoples have no time for sitting in ground and having games without any result so recently as we have some good exposure of twenty/twenty leagues now it's very easy for many to bring good and quality players because this format is having very good interest with now new Ten League is also bringing some more interest very fast and entertaining games are need of time which can give very good financial benefit within very less time hopefully ICC will bring some good rules about this all and Associate Countries will also able to have their good share from this all with some better quality and better profit.

Here ICC role is very crucial because they need to be balanced for all leagues and countries for better exposure and results.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on November 29, 2021, 01:01:14 PM

Making ICC tournaments bigger wont solve the issue since that means inclusion of associate teams that are no match to test playing countries and result is people lost interest in these matches. See T20 WC 2021 for example, countries like Oman, Namibia have shown not impressive performance. But in FIFA WC even weakest team perform up to the standard.

Do you expect teams like Saudi Arabia and North Korea to defeat Argentina or Brazil in the football world cup? The FIFA World Cup also have its fair share of one-sided matches. But unlike the case with cricket, they don't exclude the smaller nations. On top of that, the qualification process in the FIFA world cup is very fair and even the strongest of the teams need to play the qualifying tournament in order to enter the main tournament. And in cricket, 80% of the slots are automatically provided to the test nations, with the remaining 20% decided on qualifiers.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on November 29, 2021, 11:02:43 AM

@galambo, I think there are countries that are genuinely serious about playing cricket. Actually, ICC needs to take a look at that and make the ICC tournaments much more bigger. In my opinion, they should look at FIFA about how they do it. Because if only these 10 or 15 countries play cricket, ultimately that will be bad for the game.

In test cricket 10-15 nations would be more than enough. In limited overs cricket, especially T-20 format it should be minimum 16, if we are lucky then may be 20-24 teams. All ICC need to do is make thing easy for the associate nations, like go easy on qualification process. We'll have many dead rubber matches for first few years but in a longer it would be good for the cricket and new teams will up their game for sure.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on November 29, 2021, 01:01:14 PM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on November 29, 2021, 11:02:43 AM

@galambo, I think there are countries that are genuinely serious about playing cricket. Actually, ICC needs to take a look at that and make the ICC tournaments much more bigger. In my opinion, they should look at FIFA about how they do it. Because if only these 10 or 15 countries play cricket, ultimately that will be bad for the game.

Making ICC tournaments bigger wont solve the issue since that means inclusion of associate teams that are no match to test playing countries and result is people lost interest in these matches. See T20 WC 2021 for example, countries like Oman, Namibia have shown not impressive performance. But in FIFA WC even weakest team perform up to the standard.

ICC must not block these countries from coming to ICC events, as exposure to ICC events will give there players confidence and develop interest of players that are back in there country. See example of Afghanistan, they started as weak team but now they are playing test matches and are no more an associate team. Thats the only solution to promote cricket.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on November 29, 2021, 11:02:43 AM

@galambo, I think there are countries that are genuinely serious about playing cricket. Actually, ICC needs to take a look at that and make the ICC tournaments much more bigger. In my opinion, they should look at FIFA about how they do it. Because if only these 10 or 15 countries play cricket, ultimately that will be bad for the game.

Making ICC tournaments bigger wont solve the issue since that means inclusion of associate teams that are no match to test playing countries and result is people lost interest in these matches. See T20 WC 2021 for example, countries like Oman, Namibia have shown not impressive performance. But in FIFA WC even weakest team perform up to the standard.

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@galambo, I think there are countries that are genuinely serious about playing cricket. Actually, ICC needs to take a look at that and make the ICC tournaments much more bigger. In my opinion, they should look at FIFA about how they do it. Because if only these 10 or 15 countries play cricket, ultimately that will be bad for the game.

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Quote from: Maidak on November 29, 2021, 05:48:12 AM

Well first of all for this kind of thing to happen ICC needs more teams to play cricket. Right now only a few countries are playing cricket. And that's the number surely needs to increase. And ICC also has to think big. If they only think about money then cricket is not going to prosper. They have to think about cricket making a worldwide favorite sport.

In terms of progression cricket is standing not moving at all. In last two decade only teams have acquired the status of team playing country while one country lost that. ICC need to bring more countries in its ecosystem that takes cricket seriously and have players that can take it for longer period. Not countries like Oman who hires players from Pakistan and make a team.

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This was inevitable. Cricket also needs to move from country-based tournaments to franchise leagues with teams comprising players from multiple countries. Look at football. Leagues such as UEFA Champions League, English Premier League, La Liga and Serie A are much more popular when compared to the international tournaments. FIFA tournaments still have a place, but they don't engage in useless bilateral tours very often. I would like cricket to move in the same direction, and this will result in more revenues, more T20 matches and will avoid lop sided matches.

India big market and popularity of cricket in India are two main factor why IPL is such a huge success. On the same lines we see Big Bash and other leagues are not much successful in terms of financial gains. There is T20 league in every test playing country but they are no way near to IPL. So boards have to stick with bilateral series and ICC events for there survival.

Right now it's just a start for many countries but in near future we will have many good things for many other boards as we have in soccer specially in UEFA we need some rules like these then we can do much better all Federations doing by their own and having good quality and financial stability hopefully this all will be happened in cricket but right now India and IPL having some benefit from their big share in ICC, and they are using these dirty tactics for blackmailing few boards specially Pakistan which is facing some internal issues but this all is matter of time because we all know it's all going to fix, and good results will come for all other competitors.

Well first of all for this kind of thing to happen ICC needs more teams to play cricket. Right now only a few countries are playing cricket. And that's the number surely needs to increase. And ICC also has to think big. If they only think about money then cricket is not going to prosper. They have to think about cricket making a worldwide favorite sport.

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In my view the success of a tournament depends upon the quality of the matches played and how long it can attract the fans to tune in and how long. If the tournament becomes bigger, you cannot expect the viewers sticking through all the matches and it is all connected to the revenue and it is directly linked to the advertisement the media gets during the match. If the viewers goes down it will affect the revenue market as well. If media channels are not getting the advertisement they expect they wont be shelling out huge amounts for broadcasting rights.

I don't agree. Right now, the viewership is disproportionately concentrated in the mega cities such as Chennai and Mumbai. If the number of teams are increased, then there will be teams from some of the smaller cities such as Udaipur, Kanpur, Patna and Ranchi. This will increase the revenues. The revenue per team may decline (only in the short term), but the total revenues will increase. BTW, my 4-month estimate was perhaps a bit too large to accommodate. A three-month window should work fine.

Actually, I think this will increase the revenue when I think about it. What the problem will be as there are more teams the fixture will be bigger, and the tournament will go on for a longer period of time, which will certainly affect the international fixtures as well. That might cause some problems.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 28, 2021, 09:54:19 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on November 27, 2021, 04:12:54 PM

In my view the success of a tournament depends upon the quality of the matches played and how long it can attract the fans to tune in and how long. If the tournament becomes bigger, you cannot expect the viewers sticking through all the matches and it is all connected to the revenue and it is directly linked to the advertisement the media gets during the match. If the viewers goes down it will affect the revenue market as well. If media channels are not getting the advertisement they expect they wont be shelling out huge amounts for broadcasting rights.

I don't agree. Right now, the viewership is disproportionately concentrated in the mega cities such as Chennai and Mumbai. If the number of teams are increased, then there will be teams from some of the smaller cities such as Udaipur, Kanpur, Patna and Ranchi. This will increase the revenues. The revenue per team may decline (only in the short term), but the total revenues will increase. BTW, my 4-month estimate was perhaps a bit too large to accommodate. A three-month window should work fine.

If the number of teams is increased, the number of matches will definitely increase. BCCI will be able to earn extra money from broadcasting. At the same time the number of visitors will increase. BCCI will be able to earn money from this. Moreover, the domestic players will get a chance to play. This will make it easier for BCCI to find new talent.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 27, 2021, 04:12:54 PM

In my view the success of a tournament depends upon the quality of the matches played and how long it can attract the fans to tune in and how long. If the tournament becomes bigger, you cannot expect the viewers sticking through all the matches and it is all connected to the revenue and it is directly linked to the advertisement the media gets during the match. If the viewers goes down it will affect the revenue market as well. If media channels are not getting the advertisement they expect they wont be shelling out huge amounts for broadcasting rights.

I don't agree. Right now, the viewership is disproportionately concentrated in the mega cities such as Chennai and Mumbai. If the number of teams are increased, then there will be teams from some of the smaller cities such as Udaipur, Kanpur, Patna and Ranchi. This will increase the revenues. The revenue per team may decline (only in the short term), but the total revenues will increase. BTW, my 4-month estimate was perhaps a bit too large to accommodate. A three-month window should work fine.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 26, 2021, 10:00:53 PM

This was inevitable. Cricket also needs to move from country-based tournaments to franchise leagues with teams comprising players from multiple countries. Look at football. Leagues such as UEFA Champions League, English Premier League, La Liga and Serie A are much more popular when compared to the international tournaments. FIFA tournaments still have a place, but they don't engage in useless bilateral tours very often. I would like cricket to move in the same direction, and this will result in more revenues, more T20 matches and will avoid lop sided matches.

India big market and popularity of cricket in India are two main factor why IPL is such a huge success. On the same lines we see Big Bash and other leagues are not much successful in terms of financial gains. There is T20 league in every test playing country but they are no way near to IPL. So boards have to stick with bilateral series and ICC events for there survival.

Right now it's just a start for many countries but in near future we will have many good things for many other boards as we have in soccer specially in UEFA we need some rules like these then we can do much better all Federations doing by their own and having good quality and financial stability hopefully this all will be happened in cricket but right now India and IPL having some benefit from their big share in ICC, and they are using these dirty tactics for blackmailing few boards specially Pakistan which is facing some internal issues but this all is matter of time because we all know it's all going to fix, and good results will come for all other competitors.

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Quote from: galambo on November 28, 2021, 12:46:12 PM

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I pardon to differ here, no cricket board is independent entity. Every board is controlled and monitored by government bodies. So its not true to say that BCCI is independent entity. India is not playing with Pakistan even before 26/11 attack, if you see current government stance they have zero tolerance towards Pakistan. IPL franchise and BCCI not allowing Pakistan is just because of Indian government pressure. Franchises will love to involve Pakistani players as they have world class T20 players.

The government did intervene India having any cricket series after the terrorist attacks and from what i remember only cricket is barred and the rest of the sporting events are taking place as usual between the two countries. BCCI is an independent body just like any other sporting body. For example New Zealand cricket board was willing to travel Pakistan and they were in the ground but the government called the players back citing security reason.

So any sporting body representing a country can be dictated by the government policy but the functioning is independent of government intervention.

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Quote from: galambo on November 28, 2021, 12:46:12 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on November 28, 2021, 01:33:40 AM

BCCI is independent entity, ICC doesn't allow government interference in cricket not even indirectly. Zimbabwe board faced a ban because of this. Banning Pakistani players from the IPL wasn't Gov's decision but BCCI and franchise, especially franchise considering BCCI allowed Pakistani players to put their names at the auction but after 26/11 terrorist attack, every franchise boycotted them for the right reasons.

I pardon to differ here, no cricket board is independent entity. Every board is controlled and monitored by government bodies. So its not true to say that BCCI is independent entity. India is not playing with Pakistan even before 26/11 attack, if you see current government stance they have zero tolerance towards Pakistan. IPL franchise and BCCI not allowing Pakistan is just because of Indian government pressure. Franchises will love to involve Pakistani players as they have world class T20 players.

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