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I think Rohit Sharma is a much better captain think Virat Kohli. And well Kohli is the captain most of the time India won because of Kohli's individual performance not because of his brilliant captaincy. After all, India has to wait a long time to get a captain like Dhoni in my opinion. But Rohit Sharma can certainly do a better job than Kohli

Just the performance of Rohit Sharma as a captain in the IPL and the performance of Virat Kohli says a lot. Virat Kohli was not able to win the IPL even though they had some of the best players in the team. You cannot expect anyone to be as good as MSD as he was on a separate league of his own and you cannot expect anyone to replicate him as a player or as a captain.

Yes, I agreed. Dhoni was arguably the best captain of India ever and he was one of the best finishers in the world. He could finish the innings with his power hitting. If he ever had any weakness it was against the real good short balls. And later in his career, his opponents utilized his weakness to a great extent. But the things that he did for India cannot be replaced by anyone.

Quote from: Haunebu on November 20, 2021, 07:58:59 PM

I feel like you are discrediting Kohli way too much here. It is true that he didn't help India win many big ICC tournaments, but he did help them set records by defeating powerful teams like Australia and England in their backyards.
I believe that MSD is the best ODI and T-20 captain while Kohli is the best test captain so far hands-down.

Well, this is true because if you see the win/lose ratio of both players as captains in test cricket we can see that Virat Kohli has a really better ratio than MS Dhoni. Virat has 2.46 W/L-ratio whereas Dhoni has only 1.5. but in the ODI and t20 format, Dhoni was the best captain for India ever in my opinion.

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Quote from: og kush420 on November 20, 2021, 01:19:50 PM

Don't judge Rohit Sharma captaincy skills just on basis of two T20 matches and remember even Pandya as captain can lead and win India at home, so there is nothing to celebrate about. Kohli is Indian most successful Test captain and he is removed from captaincy just on basis of T20 WC which in my opinion is not fair.

Pandya as the captain? LOL.. that is an interesting suggestion. But first he need to cement his place within the team. With Kohli's influence on the team selection waning, I am not sure whether it will be easy for him to get a slot. There are promising pace bowling all rounders like Venkatesh Iyer who deserves a slot much more than Hardik. But I agree with you on Rohit. We need to see his performances in countries like New Zealand, England and Australia. What made Kohli different was his capability to win matches abroad.

I think any team should give their players enough time to play before sitting them on the bench. Hardik Pandya has proved himself before multiple times playing for India. But we do need to see players' performance outside India and most importantly outside the subcontinent. And also should be given the time to grow.

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Pandya as the captain? LOL.. that is an interesting suggestion. But first he need to cement his place within the team. With Kohli's influence on the team selection waning, I am not sure whether it will be easy for him to get a slot. There are promising pace bowling all rounders like Venkatesh Iyer who deserves a slot much more than Hardik. But I agree with you on Rohit. We need to see his performances in countries like New Zealand, England and Australia. What made Kohli different was his capability to win matches abroad.

My point was that Indian performance at home ground is good to an extent that anybody as captain can lead them to sucess whether it's Kohli or Pandya. Pandya was once star in India for his hard hitting, time has changed and now he is struggling to find place in team. One thing seems clear that kohli days as captain are numbered.

Not only in India but in bilateral series india has been good every where around the world, in t20 india have beaten Australia in Australia and beaten newzealand in their own home series and these two teams played final this year..so india have been doing good but due to lack of form of kohli with bat this decision might have been taken

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 20, 2021, 10:41:52 PM

Pandya as the captain? LOL.. that is an interesting suggestion. But first he need to cement his place within the team. With Kohli's influence on the team selection waning, I am not sure whether it will be easy for him to get a slot. There are promising pace bowling all rounders like Venkatesh Iyer who deserves a slot much more than Hardik. But I agree with you on Rohit. We need to see his performances in countries like New Zealand, England and Australia. What made Kohli different was his capability to win matches abroad.

My point was that Indian performance at home ground is good to an extent that anybody as captain can lead them to sucess whether it's Kohli or Pandya. Pandya was once star in India for his hard hitting, time has changed and now he is struggling to find place in team. One thing seems clear that kohli days as captain are numbered.

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An easy win for Pakistan in second T20 against Bangladesh at Dhaka. Bangladesh is continuing there T20 WC form and no noticeable change has been seen so far. Also absence of there key players like shakib is a big factor in bad performance. They just able to score 108 runs which is chased easily by Pakistan. Babar azam is also not performing well at Bangladesh.

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Can any one confirm me that has virat left the captaincy of 50 over cricket as well as I only heard that he has left captaincy in t20 format only not one day international's but every one is saying he will not be captain in white ball cricket and only in test matches.
Please any one confirm me on this who will be the captain of ODI for india virat or rohit as I never heard that kohli is leaving ODI captaincy also

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Quote from: og kush420 on November 20, 2021, 01:19:50 PM

Don't judge Rohit Sharma captaincy skills just on basis of two T20 matches and remember even Pandya as captain can lead and win India at home, so there is nothing to celebrate about. Kohli is Indian most successful Test captain and he is removed from captaincy just on basis of T20 WC which in my opinion is not fair.

Pandya as the captain? LOL.. that is an interesting suggestion. But first he need to cement his place within the team. With Kohli's influence on the team selection waning, I am not sure whether it will be easy for him to get a slot. There are promising pace bowling all rounders like Venkatesh Iyer who deserves a slot much more than Hardik. But I agree with you on Rohit. We need to see his performances in countries like New Zealand, England and Australia. What made Kohli different was his capability to win matches abroad.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on November 20, 2021, 11:13:14 AM

And well Kohli is the captain most of the time India won because of Kohli's individual performance not because of his brilliant captaincy.

I feel like you are discrediting Kohli way too much here. It is true that he didn't help India win many big ICC tournaments, but he did help them set records by defeating powerful teams like Australia and England in their backyards.

I believe that MSD is the best ODI and T-20 captain while Kohli is the best test captain so far hands-down.

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Quote from: og kush420 on November 20, 2021, 01:19:50 PM

Don't judge Rohit Sharma captaincy skills just on basis of two T20 matches and remember even Pandya as captain can lead and win India at home, so there is nothing to celebrate about. Kohli is Indian most successful Test captain and he is removed from captaincy just on basis of T20 WC which in my opinion is not fair.

From what i understand Virat Kohli is only stepping down as the captain from white ball cricket and he will continue to captain India in Test matches. India might be thinking about changing the culture and build a new team under a new captain and a new coach, which is a good aspect because they are failing miserably in major tournaments even though they perform better while playing at home and abroad.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on November 20, 2021, 11:13:14 AM

I think Rohit Sharma is a much better captain think Virat Kohli. And well Kohli is the captain most of the time India won because of Kohli's individual performance not because of his brilliant captaincy. After all, India has to wait a long time to get a captain like Dhoni in my opinion. But Rohit Sharma can certainly do a better job than Kohli

Don't judge Rohit Sharma captaincy skills just on basis of two T20 matches and remember even Pandya as captain can lead and win India at home, so there is nothing to celebrate about. Kohli is Indian most successful Test captain and he is removed from captaincy just on basis of T20 WC which in my opinion is not fair.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on November 20, 2021, 11:13:14 AM

I think Rohit Sharma is a much better captain think Virat Kohli. And well Kohli is the captain most of the time India won because of Kohli's individual performance not because of his brilliant captaincy. After all, India has to wait a long time to get a captain like Dhoni in my opinion. But Rohit Sharma can certainly do a better job than Kohli

Just the performance of Rohit Sharma as a captain in the IPL and the performance of Virat Kohli says a lot. Virat Kohli was not able to win the IPL even though they had some of the best players in the team. You cannot expect anyone to be as good as MSD as he was on a separate league of his own and you cannot expect anyone to replicate him as a player or as a captain.

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Another dominating match by India and there is nothing much to say as they play like champions but did not perform when they were in the big tournament Grin

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May be if the tournament was conducted in India, i doubt we would see the same results and with they way they are defeating New Zealand with ease, it looks odds because they are the same team with a exclusion of a few players who beat India in the World Cup and now they are finding it difficult to be competitive even though the first match New Zealand delayed their defeat, the fate of the tournament was sealed.

Yeah, that could be a possibility but the way they dominated both the matches is worth mentioning. Another thing is that Virat is not the captain and that might be another reason why India has been playing so well. There can be multiple reasons but if they had performed the same way in the WC then things would have been completely different now.

Some media sources claim that Captain Virat and team members had some conflicts during World Cup. But as soon as Rohit Sharma took over as captain, everything began to normalize. There was a new captain and a new India. Virat should now focus on scoring more runs for himself and setting a benchmark for future generations.

I think Rohit Sharma is a much better captain think Virat Kohli. And well Kohli is the captain most of the time India won because of Kohli's individual performance not because of his brilliant captaincy. After all, India has to wait a long time to get a captain like Dhoni in my opinion. But Rohit Sharma can certainly do a better job than Kohli

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Limited number of players might be a reason, but the ground is a big reason in my view. During the month of November the climate condition in Dubai will be so cool and that might ease the New Zealand players get adopted to it with ease and play better. When they play at the Indian ground it'll be little difficult for them to get adopted to the varying climate condition.

It is quite hard to get adapted to the situations of The ground. Yes, we know that the situation in India is not very favorable for Newzealand so we can expect their performance to drop a little. But I really don't think that should be an excuse.

To be best you need to perform well in every country, which in turn means adoption to every climate. India is much more cold these days then uae. If coldness is the case then situation in India are more favorable for NZ then in uae. Its very difficult to beat at there home grounds, they have very good wining record at home.

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Quote from: romero121 on November 20, 2021, 06:31:10 AM

Limited number of players might be a reason, but the ground is a big reason in my view. During the month of November the climate condition in Dubai will be so cool and that might ease the New Zealand players get adopted to it with ease and play better. When they play at the Indian ground it'll be little difficult for them to get adopted to the varying climate condition.

It is quite hard to get adapted to the situations of The ground. Yes, we know that the situation in India is not very favorable for Newzealand so we can expect their performance to drop a little. But I really don't think that should be an excuse.

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Quote from: romero121 on November 20, 2021, 06:31:10 AM

Limited number of players might be a reason, but the ground is a big reason in my view. During the month of November the climate condition in Dubai will be so cool and that might ease the New Zealand players get adopted to it with ease and play better. When they play at the Indian ground it'll be little difficult for them to get adopted to the varying climate condition.

I don't know how much of that is true. Even under cooler conditions in November, I would have thought that Indians would be having the advantage. New Zealand is having diametrically opposite conditions at home, and I don't think that their players have more experience in playing under such conditions. There are multiple reasons for the debacle from India. First and foremost, they were more interested in BLM and other topics, than cricket. The cartel under Kohli made sure that players were not selected based on merit. If that was the case, then Hardik would have never played a single game. And finally, the bowlers failed against tough opposition.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 19, 2021, 09:29:54 PM

Quote from: ene1980 on November 19, 2021, 06:00:30 PM

May be if the tournament was conducted in India, i doubt we would see the same results and with they way they are defeating New Zealand with ease, it looks odds because they are the same team with a exclusion of a few players who beat India in the World Cup and now they are finding it difficult to be competitive even though the first match New Zealand delayed their defeat, the fate of the tournament was sealed.

New Zealand is a country of 4 million and right now they are competitive in cricket only because they are able to attract talent from other countries. It's not just South Africans like Devon Conway and Glenn Phillips. Mark Chapman was born in Hong Kong (he's part Chinese) and players like Ish Sodhi and Ajaz Khan are from the sub-continent. And unlike the case with India, when some of their key players like Kyle Jamieson or Lockie Ferguson get injured, they face issues in finding the suitable replacement (as a result of the limited player pool).

Limited number of players might be a reason, but the ground is a big reason in my view. During the month of November the climate condition in Dubai will be so cool and that might ease the New Zealand players get adopted to it with ease and play better. When they play at the Indian ground it'll be little difficult for them to get adopted to the varying climate condition.

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Quote from: teosanru on November 19, 2021, 01:29:26 PM

Oh didn't consider the factor that International cricket is not played there. Getting Test status isn't what gets you the best talent, what gets you good talent is the popularity of the game in your country, only when the kids and youngsters see the game on their televisions, this is what drives talent towards the field. Cricket in Bangladesh got popular only after the Bangladesh Premier league followed by their performances in Asia cups and Bilateral series until 2014-15 they didn't play a lot of test matches. And they do have some legendary bowlers in making like Mustafizur on number 11 in ODI rankings and Mahendi Hasan bowling well too. Even in batting guys like Tamim Iqbal and Mahmuduallah who have performed consistently throughout their careers.

Bangladesh GDP growth rate is highest in the region that may also be factor of Bangladesh cricket board increased revenue, its a good thing nonetheless. Bangladesh cricket must utilise these earnings to develop cricket infrastructure in the country to get better output, which in badly required by Bangladesh team. They need to better there performance if they want to play test cricket.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on November 19, 2021, 06:24:23 PM

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Another dominating match by India and there is nothing much to say as they play like champions but did not perform when they were in the big tournament Grin

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May be if the tournament was conducted in India, i doubt we would see the same results and with they way they are defeating New Zealand with ease, it looks odds because they are the same team with a exclusion of a few players who beat India in the World Cup and now they are finding it difficult to be competitive even though the first match New Zealand delayed their defeat, the fate of the tournament was sealed.

Yeah, that could be a possibility but the way they dominated both the matches is worth mentioning. Another thing is that Virat is not the captain and that might be another reason why India has been playing so well. There can be multiple reasons but if they had performed the same way in the WC then things would have been completely different now.

Some media sources claim that Captain Virat and team members had some conflicts during World Cup. But as soon as Rohit Sharma took over as captain, everything began to normalize. There was a new captain and a new India. Virat should now focus on scoring more runs for himself and setting a benchmark for future generations.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 19, 2021, 06:00:30 PM

May be if the tournament was conducted in India, i doubt we would see the same results and with they way they are defeating New Zealand with ease, it looks odds because they are the same team with a exclusion of a few players who beat India in the World Cup and now they are finding it difficult to be competitive even though the first match New Zealand delayed their defeat, the fate of the tournament was sealed.

New Zealand is a country of 4 million and right now they are competitive in cricket only because they are able to attract talent from other countries. It's not just South Africans like Devon Conway and Glenn Phillips. Mark Chapman was born in Hong Kong (he's part Chinese) and players like Ish Sodhi and Ajaz Khan are from the sub-continent. And unlike the case with India, when some of their key players like Kyle Jamieson or Lockie Ferguson get injured, they face issues in finding the suitable replacement (as a result of the limited player pool).

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 19, 2021, 06:00:30 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on November 19, 2021, 05:51:00 PM

Another dominating match by India and there is nothing much to say as they play like champions but did not perform when they were in the big tournament Grin

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May be if the tournament was conducted in India, i doubt we would see the same results and with they way they are defeating New Zealand with ease, it looks odds because they are the same team with a exclusion of a few players who beat India in the World Cup and now they are finding it difficult to be competitive even though the first match New Zealand delayed their defeat, the fate of the tournament was sealed.

Yeah, that could be a possibility but the way they dominated both the matches is worth mentioning. Another thing is that Virat is not the captain and that might be another reason why India has been playing so well. There can be multiple reasons but if they had performed the same way in the WC then things would have been completely different now.

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