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Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2021, 04:19:31 AM

Under his term we were very competitive in last SA,ENG tour despite many selection blunders, we won in Australia twice and didn't lost any single series at home, although Indian side was already tough to beat at home turf.

He didn't add anything new in limited over cricket though.

I agree. Honestly, I am not the biggest fan of Ravi myself, but he did deliver on most occasions which is why I don't really get the crazy hate towards him by a section of the Cricket community.

The BCCI might be corrupt, but they aren't dumb. They allowed Ravi and Kohli to retain their positions since they almost always delivered great results excluding the big tournaments(World Cup etc).

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 11, 2021, 03:32:08 AM

I don't know if the players were really German or Norwegian. But they played well. A few days ago I saw the cricket team of Argentina. Although I did not have the good fortune to watch their game. These football-centric countries will be interested in cricket if they join the Olympics. And that will be the ICC's biggest achievement.

Argentina is a different case. They have cricket clubs that are more than 100 years old. They never depend upon foreigners to play for them, but probably as a result of this their rank has slipped down recently. Teams that stack up their playing XI with foreigners obviously perform well and those with native players (Argentina, Kenya, Nigeria, Iran, Papua New Guinea, Uganda, Nigeria.etc) are failing to win the regional qualifier tournaments. It is not fair, as on the one side we have ex-first class players from India and Pakistan, and on the other side we have amateur cricketers with no such experience.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2021, 01:53:23 AM

Its almost official that Ravi Shastri is stepping down as Indian coach after T-20 WC.

Finally.

I don't know whether he had any positive contribution to the team during all these years when he "coached" them. But he was one of the lucky ones. India was winning bilateral series on a constant basis against very tough opposition and he was also praised for that (irrespective of whether he had any direct contribution or not). And from what I heard, most of the coaching staff will be gone after the world cup. Apart from Shastri, this includes Bharat Arun, Vikram Rathour and Ramakrishnan Sridhar (respectively the coaches for bowling, batting and fielding).

I think majority, including me hate him because of his chutiyapa statements, cheer leading behavior and the way he got the job (Virat-Kumble saga) but if we put aside our hatred for a sec and judge his term based on Test format then he did good job IMO. Under his term we were very competitive in last SA,ENG tour despite many selection blunders, we won in Australia twice and didn't lost any single series at home, although Indian side was already tough to beat at home turf.

He didn't add anything new in limited over cricket though.

All 3 coaching staff are yes men to Shashtri so i don't hold high opinion for them but our bowling department is doing good so no complaints towards Bharat Arun. Sridhar is dissapointing and i think Jhonty Rhodes should replace him, if he gets the chance.

@JSRAW I’m not aware of much internal politics in team India, but whatever he did he managed to get results and in the end that’ll only count when people look back at his coaching history. Also if there’s a person who can coach team India it should be their ex batman Rahul Dravid, I heard he’s doing pretty good job as a coach and he should be given the job.

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https://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/cricket/2021/aug/11/ravi-shastri--co-not-to-seek-extension-as-head-coach-for-indian-cricket-team-all-eyes-on-rahul-dra-2343004.html

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 11, 2021, 02:09:44 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2021, 01:53:23 AM

Its almost official that Ravi Shastri is stepping down as Indian coach after T-20 WC.

Finally.

I don't know whether he had any positive contribution to the team during all these years when he "coached" them. But he was one of the lucky ones. India was winning bilateral series on a constant basis against very tough opposition and he was also praised for that (irrespective of whether he had any direct contribution or not). And from what I heard, most of the coaching staff will be gone after the world cup. Apart from Shastri, this includes Bharat Arun, Vikram Rathour and Ramakrishnan Sridhar (respectively the coaches for bowling, batting and fielding).

I think majority, including me hate him because of his chutiyapa statements, cheer leading behavior and the way he got the job (Virat-Kumble saga) but if we put aside our hatred for a sec and judge his term based on Test format then he did good job IMO. Under his term we were very competitive in last SA,ENG tour despite many selection blunders, we won in Australia twice and didn't lost any single series at home, although Indian side was already tough to beat at home turf.

He didn't add anything new in limited over cricket though.

All 3 coaching staff are yes men to Shashtri so i don't hold high opinion for them but our bowling department is doing good so no complaints towards Bharat Arun. Sridhar is dissapointing and i think Jhonty Rhodes should replace him, if he gets the chance.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 10, 2021, 11:55:47 AM

There are some positive developments happening. Today there was an announcement from the ICC that they would try their best to get cricket included in the 2028 Olympic Games. I don't know whether they are honest about this, but it is a good sign. The turning point was the appointment of Sourav Ganguly as the head of the BCCI. Once the opposition from BCCI gone, the ECB also had to change their stance (although half-heartedly).

Read this news recently which surprised me. They did confirm the bid, but I guess we won't know if it will get added or not for a long time.

If they do end up adding it, it will definitely help boost interest in Cricket. The weird part is that so many small-scale sports have been a part of the Olympics for a long time now while Cricket(One of the most popular sports in the world) hasn't been added yet.

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If cricket participates in the Olympics, it will be beneficial for cricket. Like football, cricket will spread all over the world. A few days ago I watched a cricket match in Germany, Norway. But I did not know that they participate in cricket. These teams will be able to improve themselves if they participate in the Cricket Olympics.

Oh please.. I watched 5 minutes or so from this series and it was a complete sham. Fancode just want a few "international" matches for their subscribers. So they dressed up a few Indians and Pakistanis in German and Norwegian jerseys. None of these players had any connection with Germany/Norway and not a single player had the citizenship of these countries and I couldn't find anyone among the spectators. This sort of joke doesn't exist with football or any of the other sports, because they don't allow foreigners to represent national teams.

I don't know if the players were really German or Norwegian. But they played well. A few days ago I saw the cricket team of Argentina. Although I did not have the good fortune to watch their game. These football-centric countries will be interested in cricket if they join the Olympics. And that will be the ICC's biggest achievement.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 11, 2021, 02:25:26 AM

If cricket participates in the Olympics, it will be beneficial for cricket. Like football, cricket will spread all over the world. A few days ago I watched a cricket match in Germany, Norway. But I did not know that they participate in cricket. These teams will be able to improve themselves if they participate in the Cricket Olympics.

Oh please.. I watched 5 minutes or so from this series and it was a complete sham. Fancode just want a few "international" matches for their subscribers. So they dressed up a few Indians and Pakistanis in German and Norwegian jerseys. None of these players had any connection with Germany/Norway and not a single player had the citizenship of these countries and I couldn't find anyone among the spectators. This sort of joke doesn't exist with football or any of the other sports, because they don't allow foreigners to represent national teams.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 10, 2021, 10:37:34 AM

Again if all the funds are divided among the big three teams then they won't have much competition. How long can the big 3 teams can play with each other and keep the interest of the audience.
If they lose the audience, they will not be able to generate funds and hence it will be a disaster in the long run. A good example of this that India Pakistan matches generate most revenue but if the Pakistani team loses the form due to no funds, no one will like to see one sided encounter between two teams.

There are some positive developments happening. Today there was an announcement from the ICC that they would try their best to get cricket included in the 2028 Olympic Games. I don't know whether they are honest about this, but it is a good sign. The turning point was the appointment of Sourav Ganguly as the head of the BCCI. Once the opposition from BCCI gone, the ECB also had to change their stance (although half-heartedly). Cricket is moving in the right direction, and it will remain like that as long as we keep people like Srinivasan and Pawar away from the administration.

If cricket participates in the Olympics, it will be beneficial for cricket. Like football, cricket will spread all over the world. A few days ago I watched a cricket match in Germany, Norway. But I did not know that they participate in cricket. These teams will be able to improve themselves if they participate in the Cricket Olympics.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2021, 01:53:23 AM

Its almost official that Ravi Shastri is stepping down as Indian coach after T-20 WC.

Finally.

I don't know whether he had any positive contribution to the team during all these years when he "coached" them. But he was one of the lucky ones. India was winning bilateral series on a constant basis against very tough opposition and he was also praised for that (irrespective of whether he had any direct contribution or not). And from what I heard, most of the coaching staff will be gone after the world cup. Apart from Shastri, this includes Bharat Arun, Vikram Rathour and Ramakrishnan Sridhar (respectively the coaches for bowling, batting and fielding).

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Quote from: ene1980 on August 10, 2021, 10:54:55 AM

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New Zealand announced the squad for the T-20 series against Bangladesh. I think the squad is their second-tier team. Their main players are not in this squad. Is the New Zealand team neglecting Bangladesh team like Australia? If they neglect, their fate will be the same as Australia's, because Bangladesh is always strong at home.

May be just like the Australian players who opted to sit out from the Bangladesh tour the players from New Zealand wanted to sit out as well. I know i was trashing the Australian selectors for not picking the best team because i did not expect a pathetic performance like this even with chasing low scores but you cannot blame them to opt out of the tour because sitting inside a bubble is taxing.

Leave alone players or board, even their media didn't cover Bangladesh series and didn't bother to acquire rights for the live telecast. No one watched these games in Australia and all they made is lousy excuse like they were bit late on media rights etc.

Let's see if NZ does the same or not.

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Its almost official that Ravi Shastri is stepping down as Indian coach after T-20 WC.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 10, 2021, 10:37:34 AM

Again if all the funds are divided among the big three teams then they won't have much competition. How long can the big 3 teams can play with each other and keep the interest of the audience.

If they lose the audience, they will not be able to generate funds and hence it will be a disaster in the long run. A good example of this that India Pakistan matches generate most revenue but if the Pakistani team loses the form due to no funds, no one will like to see one sided encounter between two teams.

There are some positive developments happening. Today there was an announcement from the ICC that they would try their best to get cricket included in the 2028 Olympic Games. I don't know whether they are honest about this, but it is a good sign. The turning point was the appointment of Sourav Ganguly as the head of the BCCI. Once the opposition from BCCI gone, the ECB also had to change their stance (although half-heartedly). Cricket is moving in the right direction, and it will remain like that as long as we keep people like Srinivasan and Pawar away from the administration.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 10, 2021, 03:52:00 AM

New Zealand announced the squad for the T-20 series against Bangladesh. I think the squad is their second-tier team. Their main players are not in this squad. Is the New Zealand team neglecting Bangladesh team like Australia? If they neglect, their fate will be the same as Australia's, because Bangladesh is always strong at home.

May be just like the Australian players who opted to sit out from the Bangladesh tour the players from New Zealand wanted to sit out as well. I know i was trashing the Australian selectors for not picking the best team because i did not expect a pathetic performance like this even with chasing low scores but you cannot blame them to opt out of the tour because sitting inside a bubble is taxing.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 09, 2021, 11:39:10 AM

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That's a new information for me. I don't what benefit, the ICC gets if the cricket playing nations are less. Considering the current situation of the teams, only 3 or 4 nations are now considered strong teams and rest of the teams (Pak, Sri, WI, SF etc ) are losing their momentum.

This will only make the interest in international matches less while it will give birth to more franchises to conduct their private tournaments by mixing the players from different countries. In Pakistan, we have already two leagues, PSL and KPL. I fear, more countries will follow it too.

The justification being given is that the TV broadcasters only want 8-10 teams to participate in the ICC events. But I suspect that the real reason is to divert ICC funds to a small number of nations, thereby increasing the share of revenue to the big-3 teams. "Globalization" of cricket was the brainchild of Jagmohan Dalmiya, who dominated both the BCCI and ICC before he was overthrown by a combined trans-national cabal of politicians and businessmen (Dalmiya was also a businessman, but he had a passion for cricket). The other camp wanted to reverse all the decisions made by Dalmiya and that was also one of the reasons why the funding for associates were reduced.

Again if all the funds are divided among the big three teams then they won't have much competition. How long can the big 3 teams can play with each other and keep the interest of the audience.

If they lose the audience, they will not be able to generate funds and hence it will be a disaster in the long run. A good example of this that India Pakistan matches generate most revenue but if the Pakistani team loses the form due to no funds, no one will like to see one sided encounter between two teams.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 10, 2021, 05:56:20 AM

If New Zealand does not evaluate this series properly then why are they sending their team to Bangladesh? Australia sent an inexperienced team. And they are back in their country with the shame of losing all their wickets for 62 runs. In the past, New Zealand once had a whitewash in Bangladesh. Against Bangladesh with a second-tier team, and New Zealand should not come to play at home in Bangladesh. They will not be able to win the series.

New Zealand probably doesn't care if they lose the series. They just want to test some of their younger players and see whether they can perform in Asian conditions. Anyway, unlike the ODI format, there is no point system in T20I. So even if they lose the series, or even lose all the matches, there is no long term repercussions. Losing a series against Bangladesh may be preferable to performing poorly in the T20 World Cup. All that said, just because they have sent some younger players, it doesn't mean that they are not taking the matches seriously.

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New Zealand announced the squad for the T-20 series against Bangladesh. I think the squad is their second-tier team. Their main players are not in this squad. Is the New Zealand team neglecting Bangladesh team like Australia? If they neglect, their fate will be the same as Australia's, because Bangladesh is always strong at home.

A second-tier team is being sent to evaluate players suitable for selection in the upcoming T20 Worldcup tournament. That might be the only reason for sending such a team. NZ are also least bothered about what will happen to the team performance in Bangladesh. This tournament will also end up like the Aus vs Ban tournament.

If New Zealand does not evaluate this series properly then why are they sending their team to Bangladesh? Australia sent an inexperienced team. And they are back in their country with the shame of losing all their wickets for 62 runs. In the past, New Zealand once had a whitewash in Bangladesh. Against Bangladesh with a second-tier team, and New Zealand should not come to play at home in Bangladesh. They will not be able to win the series.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 10, 2021, 03:52:00 AM

New Zealand announced the squad for the T-20 series against Bangladesh. I think the squad is their second-tier team. Their main players are not in this squad. Is the New Zealand team neglecting Bangladesh team like Australia? If they neglect, their fate will be the same as Australia's, because Bangladesh is always strong at home.

A second-tier team is being sent to evaluate players suitable for selection in the upcoming T20 Worldcup tournament. That might be the only reason for sending such a team. NZ are also least bothered about what will happen to the team performance in Bangladesh. This tournament will also end up like the Aus vs Ban tournament.

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New Zealand announced the squad for the T-20 series against Bangladesh. I think the squad is their second-tier team. Their main players are not in this squad. Is the New Zealand team neglecting Bangladesh team like Australia? If they neglect, their fate will be the same as Australia's, because Bangladesh is always strong at home.

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Quote from: ene1980 on August 09, 2021, 03:12:13 PM

One of the best batting display by Australia in decades, they cannot stoop below this performance and i am not sure when the Australian selectors would know how to pick a team as there are several players playing in the domestic circuit that performs well and yet they left out everyone and now getting all out for 62 runs might be an awakening to be sensible while selecting the team when their best team is not available for selection.

You meant "worst"? I have posted here manytimes that players like Matthew Wade are a liability to the Australian squad. I don't know how they manage to find a spot in the playing XI, when more talented youngsters are not getting any chances. Australia has the second most popular franchise T20 league (Big Bash League or the BBL), so there should not be any dearth of talent. The only thing is that the selectors need to make some bold moves, to cut down the deadweight. And if they are not doing that after this humiliation, then that time may never come.

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This might be the worst performance by the Australian team. If this team goes for the T20 world cup they will be out of the tournament for sure. Nothing was good they struggled in every quarter. I am sure the Bangladesh team will be very and motivated. 62 runs all out is a disaster, Australian selectors have to reevaluate this selected team before the upcoming world cup.

Such a worst performance compared to the rest of the matches. Ending with a loss, that too all out for 62 runs doesn't look like a good team performance. As said in the above quote, it is time for the selection committee to take immediate steps to evaluate the players. If this is the performance, surely the upcoming World Cup will be a big blow for Australia. Bangla on the other side mastering the matches with their bowlers than the batting squad.

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Quote from: ene1980 on August 09, 2021, 03:12:13 PM

One of the best batting display by Australia in decades, they cannot stoop below this performance and i am not sure when the Australian selectors would know how to pick a team as there are several players playing in the domestic circuit that performs well and yet they left out everyone and now getting all out for 62 runs might be an awakening to be sensible while selecting the team when their best team is not available for selection.

You meant "worst"? I have posted here manytimes that players like Matthew Wade are a liability to the Australian squad. I don't know how they manage to find a spot in the playing XI, when more talented youngsters are not getting any chances. Australia has the second most popular franchise T20 league (Big Bash League or the BBL), so there should not be any dearth of talent. The only thing is that the selectors need to make some bold moves, to cut down the deadweight. And if they are not doing that after this humiliation, then that time may never come.

He is using best in a sarcastic way Grin

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This might be the worst performance by the Australian team. If this team goes for the T20 world cup they will be out of the tournament for sure. Nothing was good they struggled in every quarter. I am sure the Bangladesh team will be very and motivated. 62 runs all out is a disaster, Australian selectors have to reevaluate this selected team before the upcoming world cup.

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Quote from: ene1980 on August 09, 2021, 03:12:13 PM

One of the best batting display by Australia in decades, they cannot stoop below this performance and i am not sure when the Australian selectors would know how to pick a team as there are several players playing in the domestic circuit that performs well and yet they left out everyone and now getting all out for 62 runs might be an awakening to be sensible while selecting the team when their best team is not available for selection.

You meant "worst"? I have posted here manytimes that players like Matthew Wade are a liability to the Australian squad. I don't know how they manage to find a spot in the playing XI, when more talented youngsters are not getting any chances. Australia has the second most popular franchise T20 league (Big Bash League or the BBL), so there should not be any dearth of talent. The only thing is that the selectors need to make some bold moves, to cut down the deadweight. And if they are not doing that after this humiliation, then that time may never come.

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