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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 17, 2021, 01:15:44 PM

There is one fact about Dravid that many of the cricket fans don't know. He represented Scotland in the county championship in 2003. At that time, Scotland cricket was struggling with finances and were threatened with expulsion from the county championship. Dravid played for them as an overseas player to make sure that they remain in the county ODI tournament. It was a rare act of kindness from a test nation player towards an associate team.

Never knew this. I always knew that he was a gentleman in the world of Cricket, but this makes me respect him even more. He is a legend who chooses to remain in the shadows since he clearly doesn't crave popularity.

Personally, I am a defensive player which is why I respected his patient form of batting. Also, he is still a good looking Indian player in my opinion despite his age.

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Quote from: Haunebu on May 17, 2021, 11:49:36 AM

I think the real reason why Kohli won't approve of Dravid is because he is scary Grin

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LOL.. jokes apart, Rahul Dravid is diagonally opposite to Virat Kohli. I remember Dravid playing his first ODI match. He had a strike rate of 30 or so... Everyone in my house was cursing him.. But in the test format, he was one of the best India ever produced. When Ganguly, Laxman and Sachin used to perform poorly in overseas conditions, Dravid used to rescue the Indian batting. But still, he got overshadowed by Sachin and Ganguly.

There is one fact about Dravid that many of the cricket fans don't know. He represented Scotland in the county championship in 2003. At that time, Scotland cricket was struggling with finances and were threatened with expulsion from the county championship. Dravid played for them as an overseas player to make sure that they remain in the county ODI tournament. It was a rare act of kindness from a test nation player towards an associate team.

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A new article points out the 100 crore Cricketers in the IPL. 2 CSK, 2 RCB and 1 MI players are part of the list. MSD still on top as expected. All 5 deserve such high salaries in my opinion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/cricketaddictor.com/editors-picks/5-players-who-are-a-part-of-the-ipl-100-crore-club/amp/

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 17, 2021, 07:42:55 AM

I would say that he's 100 times better than Damaadji. But unfortunately Kohli would never give his approval for such a role.

I think the real reason why Kohli won't approve of Dravid is because he is scary Grin

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If the senior players do not guide the young players properly or do not cooperate, it will be difficult for the Indian team to find young talented players in the future. Coaches in different franchises usually work more with senior or experienced players than with young ones. So senior and experienced players should cooperate with the youngsters.

From the look of it, the young talents are in a really good space and from what i understand the young talents are nurtured by the former players especially Rahul Dravid and you can see the number of talents that are exploding into the International scene and even in the India team i do not think there is any partiality and the former players are always helpful to groom the young talents and that is how things are in the England dressing room as well in the Australian dressing room.

Rahul Dravid is an entirely different type of individual. If you look at the former Indian players, many of them have either entered politics or administration (such as Ganguly). Some others have dissociated from cricket altogether (Sachin Tendulkar for example). Dravid on the other hand continued to work with grass-root development. He was neither power hungry, nor greedy for money. He would make a perfect coach for the Indian national team. I would say that he's 100 times better than Damaadji. But unfortunately Kohli would never give his approval for such a role.

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If the senior players do not guide the young players properly or do not cooperate, it will be difficult for the Indian team to find young talented players in the future. Coaches in different franchises usually work more with senior or experienced players than with young ones. So senior and experienced players should cooperate with the youngsters.

From the look of it, the young talents are in a really good space and from what i understand the young talents are nurtured by the former players especially Rahul Dravid and you can see the number of talents that are exploding into the International scene and even in the India team i do not think there is any partiality and the former players are always helpful to groom the young talents and that is how things are in the England dressing room as well in the Australian dressing room.

The Indian young players have got good space to show their talents, when it comes to selection criteria there still exist some issues. Very few talents are selected on terms of their performance whereas majority get in through the political power and through the community backing. The same can be seen with other teams in terms of black and whites.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on May 17, 2021, 04:21:46 AM

If the senior players do not guide the young players properly or do not cooperate, it will be difficult for the Indian team to find young talented players in the future. Coaches in different franchises usually work more with senior or experienced players than with young ones. So senior and experienced players should cooperate with the youngsters.

From the look of it, the young talents are in a really good space and from what i understand the young talents are nurtured by the former players especially Rahul Dravid and you can see the number of talents that are exploding into the International scene and even in the India team i do not think there is any partiality and the former players are always helpful to groom the young talents and that is how things are in the England dressing room as well in the Australian dressing room.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on May 17, 2021, 02:46:52 AM

Well said, sports is all about the performance. If it turns to be like an industry automatically there'll be discrimination. Already several teams players are facing it for different reasons, and only very few seniors stay supportive to the young players while the majority try to suppress the younger ones. Same as IPL now there are leagues conducted within the States. That will help those younger players progress than working under a senior player.

I believe that the state-level franchise leagues can contribute a lot to the formation of young talent in India. But the BCCI has created unnecessary obstacles for these tournaments. They have prohibited not just the overseas players, but even players from the other states. For example, someone like Shreyas Iyer, Venkatesh Iyer or Abhimanyu Easwaran can't take part in the TNPL, simply because they are registered to associations other than the TNCA. This reduces the attractiveness of such tournaments outside their own states. I remember that initially TNPL used to be covered by Star Sports. But despite the initial enthusiasm, the viewership numbers dropped later.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 16, 2021, 11:37:52 PM

The most promising young players get the opportunity to play in the IPL, alongside the best international and Indian players. The proposal to keep younger players as interns to senior players never work, because this is sport and not some industry. And many of the senior players view these younger players as their competitors (and vice versa). It is not the duty of the senior players to provide skill training to them, and the coaching staff should take care of it. But given the number of franchises, at the most a dozen or so younger players may get the opportunity to play in IPL every season.

That's very true. Getting the opportunity to play in the IPL in itself is a big opportunity for a young talent that can learn facing world class oppositions. Even if they arent in the final 11, the young players get an opportunity to practice in the nets against professional cricketers and get to train with them while being coached by the top coaches. Also, being handsomely paid also helps. Grin

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I totally agree with you. India is a very big country. And cricket is much more famous in their country. They have a lot of talented players. Although I think IPL is not organized for find young talent. It finances BCCI. Yet at the end of each IPL season we see a lot of young talented players. And these young players should be kept as associates of experienced players, so that young players can gradually become more experienced.

The most promising young players get the opportunity to play in the IPL, alongside the best international and Indian players. The proposal to keep younger players as interns to senior players never work, because this is sport and not some industry. And many of the senior players view these younger players as their competitors (and vice versa). It is not the duty of the senior players to provide skill training to them, and the coaching staff should take care of it. But given the number of franchises, at the most a dozen or so younger players may get the opportunity to play in IPL every season.

Well said, sports is all about the performance. If it turns to be like an industry automatically there'll be discrimination. Already several teams players are facing it for different reasons, and only very few seniors stay supportive to the young players while the majority try to suppress the younger ones. Same as IPL now there are leagues conducted within the States. That will help those younger players progress than working under a senior player.

If the senior players do not guide the young players properly or do not cooperate, it will be difficult for the Indian team to find young talented players in the future. Coaches in different franchises usually work more with senior or experienced players than with young ones. So senior and experienced players should cooperate with the youngsters.

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I totally agree with you. India is a very big country. And cricket is much more famous in their country. They have a lot of talented players. Although I think IPL is not organized for find young talent. It finances BCCI. Yet at the end of each IPL season we see a lot of young talented players. And these young players should be kept as associates of experienced players, so that young players can gradually become more experienced.

The most promising young players get the opportunity to play in the IPL, alongside the best international and Indian players. The proposal to keep younger players as interns to senior players never work, because this is sport and not some industry. And many of the senior players view these younger players as their competitors (and vice versa). It is not the duty of the senior players to provide skill training to them, and the coaching staff should take care of it. But given the number of franchises, at the most a dozen or so younger players may get the opportunity to play in IPL every season.

Well said, sports is all about the performance. If it turns to be like an industry automatically there'll be discrimination. Already several teams players are facing it for different reasons, and only very few seniors stay supportive to the young players while the majority try to suppress the younger ones. Same as IPL now there are leagues conducted within the States. That will help those younger players progress than working under a senior player.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on May 16, 2021, 11:59:39 AM

I totally agree with you. India is a very big country. And cricket is much more famous in their country. They have a lot of talented players. Although I think IPL is not organized for find young talent. It finances BCCI. Yet at the end of each IPL season we see a lot of young talented players. And these young players should be kept as associates of experienced players, so that young players can gradually become more experienced.

The most promising young players get the opportunity to play in the IPL, alongside the best international and Indian players. The proposal to keep younger players as interns to senior players never work, because this is sport and not some industry. And many of the senior players view these younger players as their competitors (and vice versa). It is not the duty of the senior players to provide skill training to them, and the coaching staff should take care of it. But given the number of franchises, at the most a dozen or so younger players may get the opportunity to play in IPL every season.

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I think the Ranji Trophy was originally organized to find new talented players in India. From here, talented players are given a chance in the IPL and then the players get a chance to prepare themselves more for the national team. The Ranji Trophy is very important for India.

In the past the players were selected from their performance in the domestic circuit especially Ranji Trophy but with the introduction of IPL every team have members who scout for young talents and these scouting team will watch even club cricket to identify young talents and then pick them to help the main team as net bowlers and then pick them in the team which they are fully prepared and the IPL is really helping groom the young talents.

I totally agree with you. India is a very big country. And cricket is much more famous in their country. They have a lot of talented players. Although I think IPL is not organized for find young talent. It finances BCCI. Yet at the end of each IPL season we see a lot of young talented players. And these young players should be kept as associates of experienced players, so that young players can gradually become more experienced.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 16, 2021, 10:21:29 AM

In the past the players were selected from their performance in the domestic circuit especially Ranji Trophy but with the introduction of IPL every team have members who scout for young talents and these scouting team will watch even club cricket to identify young talents and then pick them to help the main team as net bowlers and then pick them in the team which they are fully prepared and the IPL is really helping groom the young talents.

It is not entirely surprising, if you ask me. Ranji Trophy is a 4-day competition and it is not necessary that the players who perform well in this tournament will be suitable for T20 and ODI formats. The test format has limited scope for recruitment of fresh players. So most of the openings come up for the shorter formats. And here, the performance in IPL should count, rather than that in the Ranji Trophy. There are domestic T20 and ODI tournaments in India. But once again, the quality is not that great.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on May 16, 2021, 09:01:21 AM

I think the Ranji Trophy was originally organized to find new talented players in India. From here, talented players are given a chance in the IPL and then the players get a chance to prepare themselves more for the national team. The Ranji Trophy is very important for India.

In the past the players were selected from their performance in the domestic circuit especially Ranji Trophy but with the introduction of IPL every team have members who scout for young talents and these scouting team will watch even club cricket to identify young talents and then pick them to help the main team as net bowlers and then pick them in the team which they are fully prepared and the IPL is really helping groom the young talents.

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It is not only BCCI but the national player are also interested in playing international cricket because it earns them more money. Most of them are interested in playing IPL than Ranji or any other domestic cricket as money is more.

The quality of cricket in Ranji Trophy is not up to the mark. So the established players don't gain anything by playing the Ranji Trophy. The Deodhar Trophy is comparatively better, as the best players are divided into three teams. But in Ranji Trophy we have 36 teams and more than 500 players. Same can be said about the Irani Trophy, where the Ranji Trophy champions play against "Rest of India". But these tournaments last just one or two weeks.

I think the Ranji Trophy was originally organized to find new talented players in India. From here, talented players are given a chance in the IPL and then the players get a chance to prepare themselves more for the national team. The Ranji Trophy is very important for India.

Yes, the idea was to find new talent through these domestic tournaments, but these tournament formats have not yet changed according to international games requirement. Nowadays cricketers, play too many T20 matches than ODI or Five days. IPL is the best format to find such talents. BCCI knows that the future of cricket is T20 format as the revenue is pretty high and that is why it is promoting IPL more than any other domestic tournament.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on May 16, 2021, 09:01:21 AM

I think the Ranji Trophy was originally organized to find new talented players in India. From here, talented players are given a chance in the IPL and then the players get a chance to prepare themselves more for the national team. The Ranji Trophy is very important for India.

Hardly anyone cares about the Ranji Trophy nowadays. For the national team selection (even for the test and ODI formats), the performance in the IPL is considered as important. And actually this is where the state level leagues such as the TNPL and KPL comes in. Players such as T Natarajan and Shahrukh Khan originally caught the attention of the IPL franchise owners as a result of their performance in the TNPL. They managed to get selected to the IPL franchises without even playing a single Ranji Trophy match. And Natarajan has represented India in all three formats.

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It is not only BCCI but the national player are also interested in playing international cricket because it earns them more money. Most of them are interested in playing IPL than Ranji or any other domestic cricket as money is more.

The quality of cricket in Ranji Trophy is not up to the mark. So the established players don't gain anything by playing the Ranji Trophy. The Deodhar Trophy is comparatively better, as the best players are divided into three teams. But in Ranji Trophy we have 36 teams and more than 500 players. Same can be said about the Irani Trophy, where the Ranji Trophy champions play against "Rest of India". But these tournaments last just one or two weeks.

I think the Ranji Trophy was originally organized to find new talented players in India. From here, talented players are given a chance in the IPL and then the players get a chance to prepare themselves more for the national team. The Ranji Trophy is very important for India.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 16, 2021, 05:03:42 AM

It is not only BCCI but the national player are also interested in playing international cricket because it earns them more money. Most of them are interested in playing IPL than Ranji or any other domestic cricket as money is more.

The quality of cricket in Ranji Trophy is not up to the mark. So the established players don't gain anything by playing the Ranji Trophy. The Deodhar Trophy is comparatively better, as the best players are divided into three teams. But in Ranji Trophy we have 36 teams and more than 500 players. Same can be said about the Irani Trophy, where the Ranji Trophy champions play against "Rest of India". But these tournaments last just one or two weeks.

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You cannot expect the same level of competition in domestic tournaments but these are the tournaments which will help nurture young talents and there is no point in adding overseas players as the tournament is between talents from different regions and the best performers always comes under the selectors radar and recently the IPL has fast tracked some careers because of their outstanding performance.

Young talent will be noticed by the selectors only if they play against the senior players on a regular basis. This is not happening in the domestic cricket, as very few of the national players take part in these competitions. That's why I said that the profile of the domestic cricket needs to be improved. The sole purpose of domestic cricket is not to act as a feeder system to the national team. It should also attract viewers and broadcasters on its own.

BCCI is busy milking national players so bit hard for national players to play in the domestic, mainly Ranji. Specialists test players feature in the Ranji tho.

It is not only BCCI but the national player are also interested in playing international cricket because it earns them more money. Most of them are interested in playing IPL than Ranji or any other domestic cricket as money is more.

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You cannot expect the same level of competition in domestic tournaments but these are the tournaments which will help nurture young talents and there is no point in adding overseas players as the tournament is between talents from different regions and the best performers always comes under the selectors radar and recently the IPL has fast tracked some careers because of their outstanding performance.

Young talent will be noticed by the selectors only if they play against the senior players on a regular basis. This is not happening in the domestic cricket, as very few of the national players take part in these competitions. That's why I said that the profile of the domestic cricket needs to be improved. The sole purpose of domestic cricket is not to act as a feeder system to the national team. It should also attract viewers and broadcasters on its own.

BCCI is busy milking national players so bit hard for national players to play in the domestic, mainly Ranji. Specialists test players feature in the Ranji tho.

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