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You cannot expect the same level of competition in domestic tournaments but these are the tournaments which will help nurture young talents and there is no point in adding overseas players as the tournament is between talents from different regions and the best performers always comes under the selectors radar and recently the IPL has fast tracked some careers because of their outstanding performance.

Young talent will be noticed by the selectors only if they play against the senior players on a regular basis. This is not happening in the domestic cricket, as very few of the national players take part in these competitions. That's why I said that the profile of the domestic cricket needs to be improved. The sole purpose of domestic cricket is not to act as a feeder system to the national team. It should also attract viewers and broadcasters on its own.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 13, 2021, 10:30:53 PM

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The state-level domestic tournaments don't have the same quality as the IPL. Now having a second division league may not be a practical idea. How the BCCI will lay out the eligibility criteria? A better idea will be to give more visibility to the already existing state level franchise leagues, such as the Tamil Nadu Premier League (TNPL), Karnataka Premier League (KPL) and T20 Mumbai League. The quality of these leagues can be improved with the addition of foreign players.

You cannot expect the same level of competition in domestic tournaments but these are the tournaments which will help nurture young talents and there is no point in adding overseas players as the tournament is between talents from different regions and the best performers always comes under the selectors radar and recently the IPL has fast tracked some careers because of their outstanding performance.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 14, 2021, 01:56:25 AM

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Indian domestic cricket is a joke. The national team members hardly ever takes part and there are too many teams (36 for the Ranji Trophy) to have a meaningful competition among them. IPL is at an entirely different level. The best players are taking part in this tournament (including the overseas players). What I am proposing is a second tier franchise T20 league, representing the second tier cities, in order to bridge the gap between IPL and Indian domestic cricket.

Even in country cricket you hardly see International players in the team, not sure about the number of teams in the domestic circuit, right now India is able to produce world class players and may be it is because of these abundance of teams where players can perform and the outstanding players gets a chance to represent India.

The problem with the second tier franchise is that it will be hard for them to find investors and sponsors and the quality will lack and there are so many cricket played in a calendar year and i think there is an over saturation of tournaments and you will find it hard to find audience for these second tier tournament.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 14, 2021, 06:40:14 AM

To an extent you are right, Ranji trophy has become a joke. New players are selected into the main after their performance in IPL. But, creating another second franchise will not help rather it will add to the existing chaos.

I agree. A second division league will dilute the importance of the IPL. That's why I had suggested to start state-level leagues. We already have a few, and examples are Tamil Nadu Premier League (TNPL) and T20 Mumbai League. All we need to do is to improve the quality of these leagues, by allowing the foreign players to participate. The infusion of the foreign players will make sure that the matches are competitive and will get added interest from the broadcasters.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2021, 01:45:38 PM

I agree with @bryant.coleman that a second division can be formed. This will give more representation to regions that are otherwise not represented in the IPL.

Are you telling that they need to start a second division of IPL for more representation Grin

, I have seen domestic tournaments taking place on a regular interval as i made some bets in some of the recently concluded tournaments in the past one year and all the states are represented as far as i know and there were T20 tournaments as well as ODI and since the BCCI is conducted these why would you need a second division IPL team as well as i think it is excessive.

Indian domestic cricket is a joke. The national team members hardly ever takes part and there are too many teams (36 for the Ranji Trophy) to have a meaningful competition among them. IPL is at an entirely different level. The best players are taking part in this tournament (including the overseas players). What I am proposing is a second tier franchise T20 league, representing the second tier cities, in order to bridge the gap between IPL and Indian domestic cricket.

To an extent you are right, Ranji trophy has become a joke. New players are selected into the main after their performance in IPL. But, creating another second franchise will not help rather it will add to the existing chaos.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2021, 01:45:38 PM

I agree with @bryant.coleman that a second division can be formed. This will give more representation to regions that are otherwise not represented in the IPL.

Are you telling that they need to start a second division of IPL for more representation Grin

, I have seen domestic tournaments taking place on a regular interval as i made some bets in some of the recently concluded tournaments in the past one year and all the states are represented as far as i know and there were T20 tournaments as well as ODI and since the BCCI is conducted these why would you need a second division IPL team as well as i think it is excessive.

Indian domestic cricket is a joke. The national team members hardly ever takes part and there are too many teams (36 for the Ranji Trophy) to have a meaningful competition among them. IPL is at an entirely different level. The best players are taking part in this tournament (including the overseas players). What I am proposing is a second tier franchise T20 league, representing the second tier cities, in order to bridge the gap between IPL and Indian domestic cricket.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 13, 2021, 06:07:51 AM

I am not sure about this. Nowadays, the coach has become a nominal role within the Indian team. Previously it was not so. Damaadji (the coach) manages to hold on to his job by keeping the captain happy. I don't think that he has any other contribution to the team. Kohli doesn't prefer anyone else as the coach, as he don't want to listen to others and undergo rigorous training routines. Perhaps India is the only team which doesn't have a real coach.

So you think that Ravi Shastri is not a good coach and Virat Kohli is not undergoing rigorous training routines, check out historically and i would say this Indian team is the fittest and each and every member spends a lot of time in the gym working out and it is evident in their performance.
Team India is having the best players and the bench strength is really good and historically we never had these talents in abundance.

Yes, this is the fittest team and one of the best team in the world as well but they are exposed too much in my opinion which caused lot of injuries in the recent weeks and months for the main players it is also a concern right?

In general, Ravi Shashtri performed poorly as a coach even among the cricket community but all he is doing is trying to influence the captain and his decisions.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2021, 01:45:38 PM

I agree with @bryant.coleman that a second division can be formed. This will give more representation to regions that are otherwise not represented in the IPL.

Are you telling that they need to start a second division of IPL for more representation Grin

, I have seen domestic tournaments taking place on a regular interval as i made some bets in some of the recently concluded tournaments in the past one year and all the states are represented as far as i know and there were T20 tournaments as well as ODI and since the BCCI is conducted these why would you need a second division IPL team as well as i think it is excessive.

The state-level domestic tournaments don't have the same quality as the IPL. Now having a second division league may not be a practical idea. How the BCCI will lay out the eligibility criteria? A better idea will be to give more visibility to the already existing state level franchise leagues, such as the Tamil Nadu Premier League (TNPL), Karnataka Premier League (KPL) and T20 Mumbai League. The quality of these leagues can be improved with the addition of foreign players.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 13, 2021, 06:07:51 AM

I am not sure about this. Nowadays, the coach has become a nominal role within the Indian team. Previously it was not so. Damaadji (the coach) manages to hold on to his job by keeping the captain happy. I don't think that he has any other contribution to the team. Kohli doesn't prefer anyone else as the coach, as he don't want to listen to others and undergo rigorous training routines. Perhaps India is the only team which doesn't have a real coach.

So you think that Ravi Shastri is not a good coach and Virat Kohli is not undergoing rigorous training routines, check out historically and i would say this Indian team is the fittest and each and every member spends a lot of time in the gym working out and it is evident in their performance.
Team India is having the best players and the bench strength is really good and historically we never had these talents in abundance.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2021, 01:45:38 PM

I agree with @bryant.coleman that a second division can be formed. This will give more representation to regions that are otherwise not represented in the IPL.

Are you telling that they need to start a second division of IPL for more representation Grin

, I have seen domestic tournaments taking place on a regular interval as i made some bets in some of the recently concluded tournaments in the past one year and all the states are represented as far as i know and there were T20 tournaments as well as ODI and since the BCCI is conducted these why would you need a second division IPL team as well as i think it is excessive.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on May 13, 2021, 08:44:49 AM

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If I am not wrong once IPL hosted with 9 teams which includes Kerala but they never appeared anymore.

Team Kochi was banned because the team failed to provide the bank guarantee and there was a legal battle and the team owners won the case and BCCI was asked to pay over 500 crore INR but no idea whether it is settled or not. If more teams are added there is a possibility that Kochi will get a team if the BCCI did not pay that settlement.

Kerala played IPL in 2011 and ten teams has participated on that season. As far as I know BCCI hasn't payed the amount back to Kochi Tuskers Kerala yet. For this BCCI may accept Kerala as new team in next IPL season. Although it will depend on Kochi franchise. Maybe they will compromise the due amount by getting their chance in IPL.

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@SaShiRaJaVu, in the end only money is going to matter. The corporate powerhouses from Pune and Ahmedabad will be successful in purchasing the franchises, while more populous states such as Uttar Pradesh as well as backward regions such as Northeast will be left out. I agree with @bryant.coleman that a second division can be formed. This will give more representation to regions that are otherwise not represented in the IPL.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2021, 09:14:22 AM

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I will not prefer an additional team from Maharashtra. They already have Mumbai Indians. IPL need to represent all Indians. So when there is a team from Mumbai, I don't think that another one should be permitted in Pune.

IPL is not created to represent every state and anyone willing to spend around 1500 crore can own a team in the IPL. We already had a team from Pune and if they are adding another team they will be included if there are enough bidders.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2021, 09:14:22 AM

Also, Gujarat and Rajashthan should be merged into one team. If there are two teams for these two states then it will result in over-representation. I have the same opinion regarding Kerala as well. South Indian states are over-represented right now. Why no one wants a team from the Northeast? Being a resident of Tripura (and born in Mizoram), I would love to see a team from either Assam, Tripura or Meghalaya.

If you have the money and the facilities to conduct the matches you can bid in the upcoming bid for teams, you can even create a consortium and bid for the team and the major factor that the BCCI is looking for is the infrastructure to play matches in an International stadium and if these things are met you will get a team from your area.

South India is diverse and there is no over representation in the IPL as every state is different from each other from the food we eat to the culture and the language and that is the beauty of India and hence there is no point in talking about over representation, money talks and it is as simply as that.

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^^^^ IMO, having teams from all over India would be good. But the problem here is that we can have a maximum of 10 teams and they need to represent the largest cities in India. As far as I know, cities such as Guwahati, Shillong and Agartala doesn't even rank among the tier-1 cities in India. And I would cite the same reason why cities in Gujarat are much more likely to get an IPL franchise, when compared to some city in UP, MP, Bihar or Jharkhand. And going by the same logic, a franchise from Pune looks very likely.

For the smaller cities, I believe that the BCCI should organize a second division, which should include cities such as Lucknow, Coimbatore, Patna, Ranchi, Guwahati.etc.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2021, 10:17:22 AM

Quote from: mersal on May 13, 2021, 09:57:45 AM

If someone willing to spend much money that BCCI was asking then surely a team can takes place from the region you are talking about but do they have anyone like rich individual or famous actor who can afford or who did with the local tournaments like that.

LOL.. we don't have any billionaires in the northeast. The richest person is Badruddin Ajmal, who has net worth of around ₹2,000 crores ($270 million). Previously only Assam and Tripura were represented in the Ranji trophy from our region. After the Lodha reforms, other states were also allowed to field their own teams. But if they want IPL to be a truly pan-Indian league, then they should allow one team from this region. After all, even for the other franchises a majority of the players are not locals.

Since we all know BCCI is looking for profits than the actual real talents that is why they tried to host IPL in the middle of pandemic which got backfired in the middle of the season. Anyway hope we will see a team from that place as well and even though the Ranji players and international players are taking part it won't stop the young talents to show their efforts when they got choice.

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Quote from: mersal on May 13, 2021, 09:57:45 AM

If someone willing to spend much money that BCCI was asking then surely a team can takes place from the region you are talking about but do they have anyone like rich individual or famous actor who can afford or who did with the local tournaments like that.

LOL.. we don't have any billionaires in the northeast. The richest person is Badruddin Ajmal, who has net worth of around ₹2,000 crores ($270 million). Previously only Assam and Tripura were represented in the Ranji trophy from our region. After the Lodha reforms, other states were also allowed to field their own teams. But if they want IPL to be a truly pan-Indian league, then they should allow one team from this region. After all, even for the other franchises a majority of the players are not locals.

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Yes, it's likely to happen but what states are going to be included? Does anyone have an idea about it?

Pune will be a strong contender and then Gujarat might get a team and it would be great if we have a team from Kerala as well.

I will not prefer an additional team from Maharashtra. They already have Mumbai Indians. IPL need to represent all Indians. So when there is a team from Mumbai, I don't think that another one should be permitted in Pune. Also, Gujarat and Rajashthan should be merged into one team. If there are two teams for these two states then it will result in over-representation. I have the same opinion regarding Kerala as well. South Indian states are over-represented right now. Why no one wants a team from the Northeast? Being a resident of Tripura (and born in Mizoram), I would love to see a team from either Assam, Tripura or Meghalaya.

If someone willing to spend much money that BCCI was asking then surely a team can takes place from the region you are talking about but do they have anyone like rich individual or famous actor who can afford or who did with the local tournaments like that.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on May 13, 2021, 08:44:49 AM

Quote from: mersal on May 12, 2021, 04:41:13 PM

Yes, it's likely to happen but what states are going to be included? Does anyone have an idea about it?

Pune will be a strong contender and then Gujarat might get a team and it would be great if we have a team from Kerala as well.

I will not prefer an additional team from Maharashtra. They already have Mumbai Indians. IPL need to represent all Indians. So when there is a team from Mumbai, I don't think that another one should be permitted in Pune. Also, Gujarat and Rajashthan should be merged into one team. If there are two teams for these two states then it will result in over-representation. I have the same opinion regarding Kerala as well. South Indian states are over-represented right now. Why no one wants a team from the Northeast? Being a resident of Tripura (and born in Mizoram), I would love to see a team from either Assam, Tripura or Meghalaya.

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Quote from: mersal on May 12, 2021, 04:41:13 PM

Yes, it's likely to happen but what states are going to be included? Does anyone have an idea about it?

Pune will be a strong contender and then Gujarat might get a team and it would be great if we have a team from Kerala as well.

Quote from: mersal on May 12, 2021, 04:41:13 PM

If I am not wrong once IPL hosted with 9 teams which includes Kerala but they never appeared anymore.

Team Kochi was banned because the team failed to provide the bank guarantee and there was a legal battle and the team owners won the case and BCCI was asked to pay over 500 crore INR but no idea whether it is settled or not. If more teams are added there is a possibility that Kochi will get a team if the BCCI did not pay that settlement.

Quote from: JSRAW on May 12, 2021, 04:42:33 PM

Sacking Kohli is not the solution, appointing strong selectors seems right solution to me. If BCCI wants to solve this situation for good (although according to them its not a big issue, or there is virtually no problem in the current system) then everyone/majority of em need to be strong enough to stand against the bullying which Virat does sometimes.

The pool of players India has is appreciated by all the experts around the globe and every selectors and the captain will have their politics on which members needed to be in the team. This is nothing new and it is been followed for decades and it will continue like that in the future

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 12, 2021, 11:45:33 PM

I beg to differ, Kohli is being treated the same ways as his other counterparts would have been. He has done nothing wrong, favourism was part of Indian cricket for a long time now and he is doing the same. Most people do not like his aggressiveness but for a long time now we have not seen such Indian captains. He has worked very hard to reach the position that he is enjoying now. There are others who might be better than him, but I do not see him being removed from the captaincy until the team fails miserably.

I am not sure about this. Nowadays, the coach has become a nominal role within the Indian team. Previously it was not so. Damaadji (the coach) manages to hold on to his job by keeping the captain happy. I don't think that he has any other contribution to the team. Kohli doesn't prefer anyone else as the coach, as he don't want to listen to others and undergo rigorous training routines. Perhaps India is the only team which doesn't have a real coach.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 12, 2021, 10:18:16 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 12, 2021, 04:42:33 PM

Sacking Kohli is not the solution, appointing strong selectors seems right solution to me. If BCCI wants to solve this situation for good (although according to them its not a big issue, or there is virtually no problem in the current system) then everyone/majority of em need to be strong enough to stand against the bullying which Virat does sometimes.

Don't think that it is going to happen anytime soon. Virat Kohli has grown bigger than the team. Even MS Dhoni, at his peak never enjoyed this much dominance. The BCCI could think about taking disciplinary action against Dhoni (in case it was required), but doing so against Kohli is unthinkable. Now Kohli has become so powerful that he give orders to the coach and the coach follows them (rather than the other way around). And also, as long as the team is doing well no one really cares about the other aspects (which includes selection).

I beg to differ, Kohli is being treated the same ways as his other counterparts would have been. He has done nothing wrong, favourism was part of Indian cricket for a long time now and he is doing the same. Most people do not like his aggressiveness but for a long time now we have not seen such Indian captains. He has worked very hard to reach the position that he is enjoying now. There are others who might be better than him, but I do not see him being removed from the captaincy until the team fails miserably.

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