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Quote from: JSRAW on July 19, 2021, 01:11:07 AM

Batting line up was almost same for the England except Buttler in and Skipper Morgan out. T-20 Specialist Chris Jordan only bowled 1 over and gave 12 runs. Spinners Adil Rashid (Moin ali) joined the party along with same pacers (Shakib, Curran, Parkinson) which turned the tide and restricted Pakistani batters yesterday.

England can experiment with their players, because they have a lot of depth and they are not over-dependent on any player. And apart from Moeen Ali and Eoin Morgan, many of these payers have at least 5-6 years of international cricket left with them. I would say that England has a strong chance of winning the world cup this time. If their star players can perform, then I don't see a reason why they can't win the trophy. But there will be tough challenge from India, New Zealand and West Indies (I don't that Australia has any serious chances this time around).

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You underestimated Pakistan and they are struggling for 127 for the lost of 6 wickets and they need a mammoth 70 runs in 25 balls and there is no way they are going to reach that total. Pakistan won a match last time but i do not trust them having the same performance again and that was true in this match as they are struggling today and if not for Babar Azam they will always struggle.

For the second match, England included most of their T20 specialists (Jos Buttler, Chris Jordan.etc) and that gave them the advantage. Strength-wise, England is much above Pakistan in the T20 format, especially at home. Pakistan pacers are taking wickets at regular intervals, but they are leaking too many runs to be effective (both Mohammad Hasnain and Haris Rauf conceded more than 12 runs per over). Among the pacers, only Shaheen Shah Afridi is showing consistency. Also, the decision to open the bowling with Imad Wasim was perplexing. It worked this time, but I am not sure whether they should do that on a regular basis.

Batting line up was almost same for the England except Buttler in and Skipper Morgan out. T-20 Specialist Chris Jordan only bowled 1 over and gave 12 runs. Spinners Adil Rashid (Moin ali) joined the party along with same pacers (Shakib, Curran, Parkinson) which turned the tide and restricted Pakistani batters yesterday.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 19, 2021, 12:04:54 AM

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If England's bowlers can't pick up Pakistan's first two wickets quickly, England will lose today's match too.

You underestimated Pakistan and they are struggling for 127 for the lost of 6 wickets and they need a mammoth 70 runs in 25 balls and there is no way they are going to reach that total. Pakistan won a match last time but i do not trust them having the same performance again and that was true in this match as they are struggling today and if not for Babar Azam they will always struggle.

I underestimated the Pakistan team even after winning the previous match. Because this team has no goal. And one thing I always say is that there is no continuity in the performance of their players. After scoring 232 runs in the first match, they have scored only 155 runs in this match. England, on the other hand, scored 201 in the first match and 200 in this match. Coincidentally, this suggests that England players have consistent performances.

Now-a-days, cricket is seem so unpredictable to me. After Pakistan got a great win in the first match, I expected them to dominate the T20 series. They will win the T20 series after losing the ODI series badly. But their performance in the second match was disappointing. With such a poor performance, it is impossible to win the series against a strong team like England.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 18, 2021, 10:40:16 PM

Quote from: ene1980 on July 18, 2021, 11:34:25 AM

You underestimated Pakistan and they are struggling for 127 for the lost of 6 wickets and they need a mammoth 70 runs in 25 balls and there is no way they are going to reach that total. Pakistan won a match last time but i do not trust them having the same performance again and that was true in this match as they are struggling today and if not for Babar Azam they will always struggle.

For the second match, England included most of their T20 specialists (Jos Buttler, Chris Jordan.etc) and that gave them the advantage. Strength-wise, England is much above Pakistan in the T20 format, especially at home. Pakistan pacers are taking wickets at regular intervals, but they are leaking too many runs to be effective (both Mohammad Hasnain and Haris Rauf conceded more than 12 runs per over). Among the pacers, only Shaheen Shah Afridi is showing consistency. Also, the decision to open the bowling with Imad Wasim was perplexing. It worked this time, but I am not sure whether they should do that on a regular basis.

As England spinners defeated Pakistan, England leveled the series at 1-1. Such great T20 specialists in the England squad like Jos Buttler. When you win a toss on a pitch like this, I recommend batting rather than bowling since their strength is bowling and they are not very good at chasing. I'm looking forward to Pakistan's fightback so best of luck for the decider match.

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Quote from: ene1980 on July 18, 2021, 11:34:25 AM

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If England's bowlers can't pick up Pakistan's first two wickets quickly, England will lose today's match too.

You underestimated Pakistan and they are struggling for 127 for the lost of 6 wickets and they need a mammoth 70 runs in 25 balls and there is no way they are going to reach that total. Pakistan won a match last time but i do not trust them having the same performance again and that was true in this match as they are struggling today and if not for Babar Azam they will always struggle.

I underestimated the Pakistan team even after winning the previous match. Because this team has no goal. And one thing I always say is that there is no continuity in the performance of their players. After scoring 232 runs in the first match, they have scored only 155 runs in this match. England, on the other hand, scored 201 in the first match and 200 in this match. Coincidentally, this suggests that England players have consistent performances.

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Quote from: ene1980 on July 18, 2021, 11:34:25 AM

You underestimated Pakistan and they are struggling for 127 for the lost of 6 wickets and they need a mammoth 70 runs in 25 balls and there is no way they are going to reach that total. Pakistan won a match last time but i do not trust them having the same performance again and that was true in this match as they are struggling today and if not for Babar Azam they will always struggle.

For the second match, England included most of their T20 specialists (Jos Buttler, Chris Jordan.etc) and that gave them the advantage. Strength-wise, England is much above Pakistan in the T20 format, especially at home. Pakistan pacers are taking wickets at regular intervals, but they are leaking too many runs to be effective (both Mohammad Hasnain and Haris Rauf conceded more than 12 runs per over). Among the pacers, only Shaheen Shah Afridi is showing consistency. Also, the decision to open the bowling with Imad Wasim was perplexing. It worked this time, but I am not sure whether they should do that on a regular basis.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 18, 2021, 10:49:48 AM

If England's bowlers can't pick up Pakistan's first two wickets quickly, England will lose today's match too.

You underestimated Pakistan and they are struggling for 127 for the lost of 6 wickets and they need a mammoth 70 runs in 25 balls and there is no way they are going to reach that total. Pakistan won a match last time but i do not trust them having the same performance again and that was true in this match as they are struggling today and if not for Babar Azam they will always struggle.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 18, 2021, 09:24:07 AM

England are batting first and they are scoring at the rate of ten runs per over. They have scored 110/3 runs in 11 overs and if this continues at the same run rate, they will score 200+ runs. This big score will be impossible for the pakistani team to chase.

England has been able to provide a target of 201 runs. But I feel bad that England has lost 10 wickets. At the moment, Pakistan has scored 45 runs in 5 overs. They have not lost any wickets yet. If England's bowlers can't pick up Pakistan's first two wickets quickly, England will lose today's match too.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on July 18, 2021, 06:58:47 AM

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They included the experienced players but at the last moment they had to replace the whole team due to covid-19 infections. The all important match between the two teams will be played today. Lets see if pakistan manage to repeat the same performance and make the series 2-0. Pakistan will have advantage today.

Pakistan usually do not surprise us twice in quick succession but i would like to see whether they can do that and the match depends upon Babar Azam and if he performs then Pakistan will have a fighting chance and if they can once again get a good start and then go on to score above 200 runs or chase them down Babar Azam has to play the anchor role in taking the team to victory.

England are batting first and they are scoring at the rate of ten runs per over. They have scored 110/3 runs in 11 overs and if this continues at the same run rate, they will score 200+ runs. This big score will be impossible for the pakistani team to chase.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 17, 2021, 11:16:38 PM

Its true that it wasn't first choice playing XI but their top order still very strong, although middle-lower batting order looks bit weak in absence of Stokes, Buttler, Sam. Bowling department looked shaky in the last game and lacked experience when bowling on flat pitches but it shouldn't worry Morgan much in a long run as they are sorting out combinations.

There is no doubt that England has enough depth in talent. The county championship involves 18 quality sides (compared to 6 each for New Zealand, Australia and West Indies) and that translates to 200-250 players with regular first class experience. But as you mentioned, bowling is a bit worrying. Apart from Saqib Mahmood, the other bowlers haven't made use of the opportunity presented to them. But they need to bowl on flat surfaces, as UAE and Oman are co-hosting the world cup. The surfaces there are likely to be similar.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 18, 2021, 12:49:05 AM

They included the experienced players but at the last moment they had to replace the whole team due to covid-19 infections. The all important match between the two teams will be played today. Lets see if pakistan manage to repeat the same performance and make the series 2-0. Pakistan will have advantage today.

Pakistan usually do not surprise us twice in quick succession but i would like to see whether they can do that and the match depends upon Babar Azam and if he performs then Pakistan will have a fighting chance and if they can once again get a good start and then go on to score above 200 runs or chase them down Babar Azam has to play the anchor role in taking the team to victory.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 17, 2021, 10:10:34 PM

England could have easily won this series, if they had included at least a few of the experienced players.

They included the experienced players but at the last moment they had to replace the whole team due to covid-19 infections. The all important match between the two teams will be played today. Lets see if pakistan manage to repeat the same performance and make the series 2-0. Pakistan will have advantage today.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 17, 2021, 10:10:34 PM

England could have easily won this series, if they had included at least a few of the experienced players. As usual, they took the T20 format very lightly and the playing XI hardly had any international experience. I think the ECB was more concerned about giving opportunities to a few younger players before the squad for world cup is announced, rather than trying to win the series. And unlike the ODIs, the ICC has not established any league for the T20 matches, so they don't face any issues even if they lose the series.

Its true that it wasn't first choice playing XI but their top order still very strong, although middle-lower batting order looks bit weak in absence of Stokes, Buttler, Sam. Bowling department looked shaky in the last game and lacked experience when bowling on flat pitches but it shouldn't worry Morgan much in a long run as they are sorting out combinations.

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England could have easily won this series, if they had included at least a few of the experienced players. As usual, they took the T20 format very lightly and the playing XI hardly had any international experience. I think the ECB was more concerned about giving opportunities to a few younger players before the squad for world cup is announced, rather than trying to win the series. And unlike the ODIs, the ICC has not established any league for the T20 matches, so they don't face any issues even if they lose the series.

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England bowlers were unable to take any early wickets. The opening partnership helped Pakistan to make their highest score in this format. England batsman have managed to score above 200 runs, but they lost the game as they was losing their wickets without having any bigger partnership like Pakistani batsman. Pakistan won't be able to win next game without making big score like the last match. Because England has proven that they are strong enough with their batting lineup.

Full credits goes to Pakistan batsman who was able to time the innings and reach a score of 232 runs, their top order played really well and the rest of the players were able to strike at a really good rate to reach a total of 232 and if you are able to score a total like that it is impossible to chase even if you have a good batting lineup and apart from Liam Livingstone no other batsman was able to build any partnership.

Agreed, the opening lineup gave a good start and the same is taken forward good by the rest of the players. If pakistan had scored around 200 runs, then England could've experienced little pressure and might've build up the score according to that. The additional score had increased the pressure and made the players unable to create partnership. Finally the last T20 is going to be very interesting, because Pakistan will try to win the series whereas England will try to draw the series.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on July 17, 2021, 12:41:13 PM

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England bowlers were unable to take any early wickets. The opening partnership helped Pakistan to make their highest score in this format. England batsman have managed to score above 200 runs, but they lost the game as they was losing their wickets without having any bigger partnership like Pakistani batsman. Pakistan won't be able to win next game without making big score like the last match. Because England has proven that they are strong enough with their batting lineup.

Full credits goes to Pakistan batsman who was able to time the innings and reach a score of 232 runs, their top order played really well and the rest of the players were able to strike at a really good rate to reach a total of 232 and if you are able to score a total like that it is impossible to chase even if you have a good batting lineup and apart from Liam Livingstone no other batsman was able to build any partnership.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 17, 2021, 11:26:12 AM

England lost the first T20 match very badly. The main reason for this defeat is England's poor bowling in this match. England bowlers did not bowl as expected. They bowled very badly. Hopefully, the England bowlers understand their problems and will make a great comeback in the next match by solving the problems.

Actually the field was good for batsman. Bowler has nothing much to do in this condition. England bowlers were unable to take any early wickets. The opening partnership helped Pakistan to make their highest score in this format. England batsman have managed to score above 200 runs, but they lost the game as they was losing their wickets without having any bigger partnership like Pakistani batsman. Pakistan won't be able to win next game without making big score like the last match. Because England has proven that they are strong enough with their batting lineup.

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Do not under estimate the Pakistani team when it is about T20 matches. I understand that they are not good in ODI or test matches, but Pakistan is one of the best teams for T20. I think Pakistan will win the series 2-1 Cool

Don't be overconfident with the Pakistan team. This team is too much unpredictable. First of all, Pakistan's batsmen cannot perform consistently. Secondly, the bowling lineup is not very strong. I would say their bowling lineup is very weak. If England's top-order batsmen could have done better in yesterday's match, Pakistan would have lost the match. I don't think Pakistan will be able to win the series.

The facts you have mentioned are real facts and cold not be denied but its hard for me to believe that Pakistan team will lose the series. Being the national of Pakistan, i still believe that we can repeat the same performance in the remaining matches and win the series. Even i don't mind if luck favors us for the win. Wink

Pakistan won against England by 31 runs in first T20I match, a nice comeback after losing the ODI series. Shaheen Afridi took three wickets, but there is still room for improvement for the spinner. This team has a good chance of getting T20 series by their name if they maintain same persists. Everyone seems to know their role. It will be interesting to see if they continue to perform the same way in their batting, bowling, and fielding.

England lost the first T20 match very badly. The main reason for this defeat is England's poor bowling in this match. England bowlers did not bowl as expected. They bowled very badly. Hopefully, the England bowlers understand their problems and will make a great comeback in the next match by solving the problems.

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Do not under estimate the Pakistani team when it is about T20 matches. I understand that they are not good in ODI or test matches, but Pakistan is one of the best teams for T20. I think Pakistan will win the series 2-1 Cool

Don't be overconfident with the Pakistan team. This team is too much unpredictable. First of all, Pakistan's batsmen cannot perform consistently. Secondly, the bowling lineup is not very strong. I would say their bowling lineup is very weak. If England's top-order batsmen could have done better in yesterday's match, Pakistan would have lost the match. I don't think Pakistan will be able to win the series.

The facts you have mentioned are real facts and cold not be denied but its hard for me to believe that Pakistan team will lose the series. Being the national of Pakistan, i still believe that we can repeat the same performance in the remaining matches and win the series. Even i don't mind if luck favors us for the win. Wink

Pakistan won against England by 31 runs in first T20I match, a nice comeback after losing the ODI series. Shaheen Afridi took three wickets, but there is still room for improvement for the spinner. This team has a good chance of getting T20 series by their name if they maintain same persists. Everyone seems to know their role. It will be interesting to see if they continue to perform the same way in their batting, bowling, and fielding.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 17, 2021, 07:30:39 AM

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 17, 2021, 12:27:43 AM

Do not under estimate the Pakistani team when it is about T20 matches. I understand that they are not good in ODI or test matches, but Pakistan is one of the best teams for T20. I think Pakistan will win the series 2-1 Cool

Don't be overconfident with the Pakistan team. This team is too much unpredictable. First of all, Pakistan's batsmen cannot perform consistently. Secondly, the bowling lineup is not very strong. I would say their bowling lineup is very weak. If England's top-order batsmen could have done better in yesterday's match, Pakistan would have lost the match. I don't think Pakistan will be able to win the series.

The facts you have mentioned are real facts and cold not be denied but its hard for me to believe that Pakistan team will lose the series. Being the national of Pakistan, i still believe that we can repeat the same performance in the remaining matches and win the series. Even i don't mind if luck favors us for the win. Wink

If Pakistan's top order batsmen can maintain the continuity of their first match performance, they will undoubtedly win the series. But the main problem is that none of their players are regulars. Moreover their bowling should be made stronger. I have seen this Pakistan team consistently perform well in very few matches. They have a lot of talented players but there are not enough players in the squad to perform well on a regular basis.

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