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Pakistan made less run in their innings and also they do not have the bowling line up to defend this small target.

Overall it was a bad series for Pakistan. They have lost both the ODI and T20 series and it will shatter their confidence before going into T20 World cup. They should have shown better performances specially in T20 matches.

The 3rd T20I was a close match, i thought England would win easily but Pakistan fought till the last over and if they could have held on to their catches we might have had a different result but it was not a one sided match and it was entertaining till the end. The find for England was Liam Livingstone who performed well throughout the series.

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There are a lot of positives that they can take from this tour. And for the T20 world cup, they definitely have an advantage, because the matches are going to take place in UAE and Oman, and the players are well suited to those conditions.

Yes the spinners dominated the third T20 match and Mohammad Hafeez proved that age is just a number.

I feel Pakistan have no pressure going into the T20 World Cup because they’re not contenders for winning it, and hence they’ll be able to play their natural game and if they win matches then it’s added benefit for them. Furthermore the venue of the World Cup will support their team, hence I would not judge them based solely on this series.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 21, 2021, 12:27:05 AM

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Pakistan made less run in their innings and also they do not have the bowling line up to defend this small target.

Overall it was a bad series for Pakistan. They have lost both the ODI and T20 series and it will shatter their confidence before going into T20 World cup. They should have shown better performances specially in T20 matches.

The 3rd T20I was a close match, i thought England would win easily but Pakistan fought till the last over and if they could have held on to their catches we might have had a different result but it was not a one sided match and it was entertaining till the end. The find for England was Liam Livingstone who performed well throughout the series.

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There are a lot of positives that they can take from this tour. And for the T20 world cup, they definitely have an advantage, because the matches are going to take place in UAE and Oman, and the players are well suited to those conditions.

Yes the spinners dominated the third T20 match and Mohammad Hafeez proved that age is just a number.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 21, 2021, 12:27:05 AM

Pakistan made less run in their innings and also they do not have the bowling line up to defend this small target.

Overall it was a bad series for Pakistan. They have lost both the ODI and T20 series and it will shatter their confidence before going into T20 World cup. They should have shown better performances specially in T20 matches.

Out of the 6 matches, they lost 5. So overall, it was a bad series. But there were some brilliant individual performance from the Pakistan players. Fakhar Zaman and Babar Azam did well with the bat, while Shaheen Afridi was impressive with the ball. So it was not all doom and gloom. There are a lot of positives that they can take from this tour. And for the T20 world cup, they definitely have an advantage, because the matches are going to take place in UAE and Oman, and the players are well suited to those conditions.

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Pakistan only managed to score 154 runs in their 20 overs. Rizwan scored 74 and held the innings together but are these run enough ?
I don't think so as we have seen 200+ runs in the previous two matches.

With a strong batting lineup England has even though all of their players are in the team they will win easily, Pakistan surprised with one match and that is more than enough to expect from them and in this match England only need 61 runs to win in 54 balls with 8 wickets in hand and if Pakistan had a potent bowling lineup they once had then i might have given a chance but not anymore.

Pakistan made less run in their innings and also they do not have the bowling line up to defend this small target.

Overall it was a bad series for Pakistan. They have lost both the ODI and T20 series and it will shatter their confidence before going into T20 World cup. They should have shown better performances specially in T20 matches.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on July 20, 2021, 03:09:48 PM

With a strong batting lineup England has even though all of their players are in the team they will win easily, Pakistan surprised with one match and that is more than enough to expect from them and in this match England only need 61 runs to win in 54 balls with 8 wickets in hand and if Pakistan had a potent bowling lineup they once had then i might have given a chance but not anymore.

Although they managed to win only one match, none of their defeats were one sided. And that gives them hope. Pakistan has performed at a level much better than teams like Sri Lanka and South Africa (which recently lost an ODI match to Ireland). Outside the big 3 + NZ grouping, Pakistan seems to be the strongest team. And in UAE/Oman they usually have home advantage, because when Pakistan was unable to host matches, UAE used to be its home venue. But do they have a chance to win the world cup this time? It's a difficult question.

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Quote from: Core.i7 on July 20, 2021, 02:08:45 PM

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Pakistan only managed to score 154 runs in their 20 overs. Rizwan scored 74 and held the innings together but are these run enough ?
I don't think so as we have seen 200+ runs in the previous two matches.

With a strong batting lineup England has even though all of their players are in the team they will win easily, Pakistan surprised with one match and that is more than enough to expect from them and in this match England only need 61 runs to win in 54 balls with 8 wickets in hand and if Pakistan had a potent bowling lineup they once had then i might have given a chance but not anymore.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 20, 2021, 01:07:49 PM

In the third and final T20 match between Pakistan and England, Pakistan won the toss and was elected to bat. Mohammad Rizwan has been playing very aggressively since the beginning of the match. Pakistan scored 56 runs in 7 overs. But they have lost their important batsmen Babar Azam. Mohammad Rizwan is unbeaten on 30 runs at the crease.

Pakistan only managed to score 154 runs in their 20 overs. Rizwan scored 74 and held the innings together but are these run enough ?
I don't think so as we have seen 200+ runs in the previous two matches.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 20, 2021, 01:07:49 PM

In the third and final T20 match between Pakistan and England, Pakistan won the toss and was elected to bat. Mohammad Rizwan has been playing very aggressively since the beginning of the match. Pakistan scored 56 runs in 7 overs. But they have lost their important batsmen Babar Azam. Mohammad Rizwan is unbeaten on 30 runs at the crease.

Pakistan started the innings cautiously but no use. They quickly loss two more wickets and now Pakistan are struggling at 69-3. How quickly this game changes. England are on top at the moment.

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In the third and final T20 match between Pakistan and England, Pakistan won the toss and was elected to bat. Mohammad Rizwan has been playing very aggressively since the beginning of the match. Pakistan scored 56 runs in 7 overs. But they have lost their important batsmen Babar Azam. Mohammad Rizwan is unbeaten on 30 runs at the crease.

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Most of Asia’s pitch spinners collaborate. But I would have kept India and West Indies ahead if the World Cup had been held in India. Although the spinners will get more benefits on the UAE pitch, the pitches are not like the Indian ones. On a pitch where pace bowlers perform well enough. So I don't think the chances of England winning the title are less than India's.

If you think the spinners will have an advantage in the upcoming World Cup then how can you include West Indies as they do not have any world class spinners and if you think their experience in the IPL will make them perform better then there are players from England Australia and South Africa playing for them and they can adjust accordingly.

I included the West Indies team because almost all the players on their team bat well and they perform in different franchises throughout the year. They are very experienced for T20 format. Bowlers like Cottrel and Russell also bowl well enough. On the other hand, I don't want to hold England and New Zealand back to the title. Their squad is much stronger.

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Quote from: kro55 on July 20, 2021, 12:56:18 AM

T20 in a format that is difficult to predict. Even if the players are not in form, they can suddenly become terrible. All batsmen here have to play aggressively, it is difficult to predict which batsman will play better and lead the team to victory. While the pitches for the upcoming World Cup are more supportive of spinners, all players in England and New Zealand are accustomed to playing on this type of pitch. They perform well in every IPL season.

In case of England, maybe that is true (Eoin Morgan, Jason Roy, Jos Buttler, Dawid Malan, Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes.etc). But apart from Kane Williamson, none of the New Zealand batsmen are regulars within the IPL squads. James Neesham is not a regular with the Mumbai Indians, while Tim Seifert didn't had much luck with Kolkata Knight Riders for this edition. Even Williamson was controversially not included in some of the earlier matches of Sunrisers Hyderabad. There were rumors of a spat with David Warner, but I don't want to divert the topic.

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Trent Boult might have given away runs once in a while but overall he is a much better bowler and he proved that multiple times playing for Mumbai Indians and if he could perform the same then he could trouble any batsman in any conditions, there are some outstanding players for New Zealand and when they are in form they can be unstoppable irrespective of the condition and England has players who have a strike rate above 100 in ODI and they can change the game as well, so you cannot underestimate these two teams because they are playing in spin wickets.

If you say these about Australia then i would accept because i am not expecting much from them in the upcoming World Cup.

Many of the top performing pacers in the IPL are from New Zealand (Boult, Jamieson, Ferguson.etc), and I have a feeling that it may not be that difficult for them to adjust with the conditions. The IPL (scheduled to start by September) will give a good idea, about which players are currently in form. Also, I would not write off Australia. They always perform well during the ICC tournaments (opposite of India under Kohli, who always struggle to win trophies). And T20 is such an unpredictable format, and even teams like Pakistan and South Africa have outside chances of becoming the champions.

T20 in a format that is difficult to predict. Even if the players are not in form, they can suddenly become terrible. All batsmen here have to play aggressively, it is difficult to predict which batsman will play better and lead the team to victory. While the pitches for the upcoming World Cup are more supportive of spinners, all players in England and New Zealand are accustomed to playing on this type of pitch. They perform well in every IPL season.

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Quote from: ene1980 on July 19, 2021, 03:58:59 PM

Trent Boult might have given away runs once in a while but overall he is a much better bowler and he proved that multiple times playing for Mumbai Indians and if he could perform the same then he could trouble any batsman in any conditions, there are some outstanding players for New Zealand and when they are in form they can be unstoppable irrespective of the condition and England has players who have a strike rate above 100 in ODI and they can change the game as well, so you cannot underestimate these two teams because they are playing in spin wickets.

If you say these about Australia then i would accept because i am not expecting much from them in the upcoming World Cup.

Many of the top performing pacers in the IPL are from New Zealand (Boult, Jamieson, Ferguson.etc), and I have a feeling that it may not be that difficult for them to adjust with the conditions. The IPL (scheduled to start by September) will give a good idea, about which players are currently in form. Also, I would not write off Australia. They always perform well during the ICC tournaments (opposite of India under Kohli, who always struggle to win trophies). And T20 is such an unpredictable format, and even teams like Pakistan and South Africa have outside chances of becoming the champions.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 19, 2021, 01:36:28 PM

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Boult's overall record is good. But I remember a couple of occasions, when he conceded a lot of runs in the depth overs, resulting in Mumbai Indians losing the match. I agree that New Zealand is a dark horse, with star performers such as Boult, Jamieson and Ferguson. My main concern is that they may find the UAE conditions challenging. Also, one thing we need to remember is that the world cup will immediately start after the IPL. So those playing in the IPL may benefit from getting accustomed to the conditions. But then, most of the main players from New Zealand, Australia, West Indies and England will be taking part in the IPL.

Trent Boult might have given away runs once in a while but overall he is a much better bowler and he proved that multiple times playing for Mumbai Indians and if he could perform the same then he could trouble any batsman in any conditions, there are some outstanding players for New Zealand and when they are in form they can be unstoppable irrespective of the condition and England has players who have a strike rate above 100 in ODI and they can change the game as well, so you cannot underestimate these two teams because they are playing in spin wickets.

If you say these about Australia then i would accept because i am not expecting much from them in the upcoming World Cup.

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Most of Asia’s pitch spinners collaborate. But I would have kept India and West Indies ahead if the World Cup had been held in India. Although the spinners will get more benefits on the UAE pitch, the pitches are not like the Indian ones. On a pitch where pace bowlers perform well enough. So I don't think the chances of England winning the title are less than India's.

If you think the spinners will have an advantage in the upcoming World Cup then how can you include West Indies as they do not have any world class spinners and if you think their experience in the IPL will make them perform better then there are players from England Australia and South Africa playing for them and they can adjust accordingly.

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Quote from: ene1980 on July 19, 2021, 01:08:34 PM

Trent Boult is a stand up bowler in the IPL and you think he is only good in the ODI format, T20 is basically a batsman's game and if anyone can perform which England has a lot of batsman in their ranks and they can win matches easily. New Zealand is always a dark horse in any major tournament but you cannot count out England.

Boult's overall record is good. But I remember a couple of occasions, when he conceded a lot of runs in the depth overs, resulting in Mumbai Indians losing the match. I agree that New Zealand is a dark horse, with star performers such as Boult, Jamieson and Ferguson. My main concern is that they may find the UAE conditions challenging. Also, one thing we need to remember is that the world cup will immediately start after the IPL. So those playing in the IPL may benefit from getting accustomed to the conditions. But then, most of the main players from New Zealand, Australia, West Indies and England will be taking part in the IPL.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 19, 2021, 07:34:50 AM

The reason why I don't want to give too much chance to England and New Zealand is due to the fact that the ground conditions don't suit them. They don't have any world class spinner in their squad and are too much dependent on pace attack. And even their pacers are not exactly T20 material. Jamieson and Boult are bowlers who are more suitable for the longer version of cricket. IMO, I would give India and West Indies almost equal chances, followed by New Zealand and England. Under current circumstances, none of the remaining 12 teams have any real chance of lifting the trophy.

Trent Boult is a stand up bowler in the IPL and you think he is only good in the ODI format, T20 is basically a batsman's game and if anyone can perform which England has a lot of batsman in their ranks and they can win matches easily. New Zealand is always a dark horse in any major tournament but you cannot count out England.

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England, New Zealand, India and these four teams have equal chances to win the title. There are many T20 specialist players in the West Indies squad. However, West Indies performed disappointingly in many matches. England and New Zealand are much more stable than the West Indies. They are performing well in almost every match. Australia will be far from winning the World Cup. Looks like they need some time to stabilize.

The reason why I don't want to give too much chance to England and New Zealand is due to the fact that the ground conditions don't suit them. They don't have any world class spinner in their squad and are too much dependent on pace attack. And even their pacers are not exactly T20 material. Jamieson and Boult are bowlers who are more suitable for the longer version of cricket. IMO, I would give India and West Indies almost equal chances, followed by New Zealand and England. Under current circumstances, none of the remaining 12 teams have any real chance of lifting the trophy.

Your point of view is right. Most of Asia’s pitch spinners collaborate. But I would have kept India and West Indies ahead if the World Cup had been held in India. Although the spinners will get more benefits on the UAE pitch, the pitches are not like the Indian ones. On a pitch where pace bowlers perform well enough. So I don't think the chances of England winning the title are less than India's.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on July 19, 2021, 06:28:18 AM

England, New Zealand, India and these four teams have equal chances to win the title. There are many T20 specialist players in the West Indies squad. However, West Indies performed disappointingly in many matches. England and New Zealand are much more stable than the West Indies. They are performing well in almost every match. Australia will be far from winning the World Cup. Looks like they need some time to stabilize.

The reason why I don't want to give too much chance to England and New Zealand is due to the fact that the ground conditions don't suit them. They don't have any world class spinner in their squad and are too much dependent on pace attack. And even their pacers are not exactly T20 material. Jamieson and Boult are bowlers who are more suitable for the longer version of cricket. IMO, I would give India and West Indies almost equal chances, followed by New Zealand and England. Under current circumstances, none of the remaining 12 teams have any real chance of lifting the trophy.

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Batting line up was almost same for the England except Buttler in and Skipper Morgan out. T-20 Specialist Chris Jordan only bowled 1 over and gave 12 runs. Spinners Adil Rashid (Moin ali) joined the party along with same pacers (Shakib, Curran, Parkinson) which turned the tide and restricted Pakistani batters yesterday.

England can experiment with their players, because they have a lot of depth and they are not over-dependent on any player. And apart from Moeen Ali and Eoin Morgan, many of these payers have at least 5-6 years of international cricket left with them. I would say that England has a strong chance of winning the world cup this time. If their star players can perform, then I don't see a reason why they can't win the trophy. But there will be tough challenge from India, New Zealand and West Indies (I don't that Australia has any serious chances this time around).

England, New Zealand, India and these four teams have equal chances to win the title. There are many T20 specialist players in the West Indies squad. However, West Indies performed disappointingly in many matches. England and New Zealand are much more stable than the West Indies. They are performing well in almost every match. Australia will be far from winning the World Cup. Looks like they need some time to stabilize.

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