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Quote from: JSRAW on December 27, 2020, 02:40:53 AM

May be they are not in rush and want to take their sweet time as building 2 new teams from scratch could be a bit complex task in the next 4-5 months. They are not even holding off the auction for 2021, at least not grand auction like it used to be.

5 overseas players seems tough atm but i see this is happening in the near future if they are planning to expand the IPL teams to 12.

What we have seen during the IPL 2020 is that the limitation of 4 overseas players in the playing XI has meant that a lot of promising players were unable to find a slot, while among the local players there were a number of undeserving ones who managed to get included (to name a few, Kedar Jadhav of CSK, Sarfaraz Khan of KXIP, Shahbaz Nadeem of SRH.etc). Increasing the limit to 5 would mean that only quality players are included in the XI.

You are right but i still don't see any possibility of 5 foreign players in the squad anytime soon. Although i do like the idea of introducing extra spot for them and i am in favor. As far as undeserving - nonperforming players are concern, franchise do release such players every year and they are doing the same for next season as well.

https://cricnerds.com/ipl-2021/ipl-2021-released-players-list/

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 27, 2020, 02:40:53 AM

May be they are not in rush and want to take their sweet time as building 2 new teams from scratch could be a bit complex task in the next 4-5 months. They are not even holding off the auction for 2021, at least not grand auction like it used to be.

5 overseas players seems tough atm but i see this is happening in the near future if they are planning to expand the IPL teams to 12.

What we have seen during the IPL 2020 is that the limitation of 4 overseas players in the playing XI has meant that a lot of promising players were unable to find a slot, while among the local players there were a number of undeserving ones who managed to get included (to name a few, Kedar Jadhav of CSK, Sarfaraz Khan of KXIP, Shahbaz Nadeem of SRH.etc). Increasing the limit to 5 would mean that only quality players are included in the XI.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 26, 2020, 09:57:31 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 26, 2020, 12:59:17 AM

10 Teams IPL is about to come in 2022 season.

They should have done this from IPL 2021 onward. I always thought that 8 was too low. In England they have 18, and there is no reason why India shouldn't have the same number of teams, as the player pool is comparatively much larger. Anyway, 10 will do for now. But they need to increase the limit on overseas players to 5 per team, and remove the salary cap.

May be they are not in rush and want to take their sweet time as building 2 new teams from scratch could be a bit complex task in the next 4-5 months. They are not even holding off the auction for 2021, at least not grand auction like it used to be.

5 overseas players seems tough atm but i see this is happening in the near future if they are planning to expand the IPL teams to 12.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 26, 2020, 09:57:31 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 26, 2020, 12:59:17 AM

10 Teams IPL is about to come in 2022 season.

They should have done this from IPL 2021 onward. I always thought that 8 was too low. In England they have 18, and there is no reason why India shouldn't have the same number of teams, as the player pool is comparatively much larger. Anyway, 10 will do for now. But they need to increase the limit on overseas players to 5 per team, and remove the salary cap.

I think 10 or 12 teams are perfect. No more should be done. Then can have an adverse effect on the audience. We will not be able to support a particular team if our favourite players are spread in different teams. If the team is increased in IPL, some rules will have to be changed.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 26, 2020, 09:57:31 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 26, 2020, 12:59:17 AM

10 Teams IPL is about to come in 2022 season.

They should have done this from IPL 2021 onward. I always thought that 8 was too low. In England they have 18, and there is no reason why India shouldn't have the same number of teams, as the player pool is comparatively much larger. Anyway, 10 will do for now. But they need to increase the limit on overseas players to 5 per team, and remove the salary cap.

Few months back IPL 2020 ended and in just a couple of month IPL 2021 will start. It will be too early for these two new teams to get everything done. Therefore they will start from 2022 because of time constraints.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 26, 2020, 12:59:17 AM

10 Teams IPL is about to come in 2022 season.

They should have done this from IPL 2021 onward. I always thought that 8 was too low. In England they have 18, and there is no reason why India shouldn't have the same number of teams, as the player pool is comparatively much larger. Anyway, 10 will do for now. But they need to increase the limit on overseas players to 5 per team, and remove the salary cap.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 26, 2020, 12:56:25 PM

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But we never heard of any politics in Australian cricket board or in England cricket board because they have a proper system where players are selected on their performances only and there are no favors for anyone. Those boards who are unable to overcome these politics, their team will go down in performance.

You are right.We can look at Zimbabwe and Pakistan as examples. The Zimbabwean team played great at one time. But now Afghanistan will easily lose them too. The Pakistan team was earlier compared to the first tier team. Now they have no glory like before.

Even now Pakistan is one among the first tier team list. Nowadays the performance from Pakistan players weren't that good, and no one is able to make a confident play in Pakistan. We can see the lack of experience, and if I'm not wrong the team is much disturbed with politics. This can be between the players as well as the political influence. This means the able candidates are yet away from the team.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 26, 2020, 12:56:25 PM

You are right.We can look at Zimbabwe and Pakistan as examples. The Zimbabwean team played great at one time. But now Afghanistan will easily lose them too. The Pakistan team was earlier compared to the first tier team. Now they have no glory like before.

You cannot compare the team as Zimbabwe lost their top players due to political reasons and Afghanistan has one of the best spinners in world cricket in Rashid Khan and he will easily fit into any team in the world because of his bowling skills and if a team has a player like that then they can win matches. I still believe that Pakistan has a formidable team in their home soil and we are yet to see a series due to security reasons for over a decade and once that is sorted out we could see them perform well in their own backyard.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on December 26, 2020, 12:41:36 AM

But we never heard of any politics in Australian cricket board or in England cricket board because they have a proper system where players are selected on their performances only and there are no favors for anyone. Those boards who are unable to overcome these politics, their team will go down in performance.

You are right.We can look at Zimbabwe and Pakistan as examples. The Zimbabwean team played great at one time. But now Afghanistan will easily lose them too. The Pakistan team was earlier compared to the first tier team. Now they have no glory like before.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on December 25, 2020, 01:18:43 AM

I didn't know about this inside politics within the indian team but if it is true then it will not be good for the indian team. Good teams are strong from inside and therefore they are able to compete with the other teams. If you keep on involving in the issues within the team, then the team cannot produce good results.

Even i am not aware of the inside politics or policies and how they are picking the team. There is no doubt that they have abundant of talents as displayed in the IPL and that performance alone might not translate to ODI and Test cricket caliber and consistencies and you cannot expect every player to be proficient in the T20 format. The problem i see with them is the team selection and one pathetic defeat and they were forced to replace four players.

Either they need to provide ample time to the young players and see whether they can rise to the occasion before putting extra pressure to the young player.

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Quote from: risatrakib on December 26, 2020, 05:05:13 AM

Sydney Thunder won by 129 runs.Very dominating victory by Sydney over Melbourne. Tanveer Sangha bowled really well and picked up 4 wickets for 14.

An extraordinary win. Every player in the Sydney Thunder has contributed to the team's victory. Everyone expects such a great innings on the T20 formet. Melnourne Renegades' batting has been a disaster. I hope they will play better in the next match.

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Sydney Thunder won by 129 runs.Very dominating victory by Sydney over Melbourne. Tanveer Sangha bowled really well and picked up 4 wickets for 14.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on December 26, 2020, 12:41:36 AM

Quote from: mersal on December 25, 2020, 01:38:55 PM

Quote from: FIFA worldcup on December 25, 2020, 01:18:43 AM

I didn't know about this inside politics within the indian team but if it is true then it will not be good for the indian team. Good teams are strong from inside and therefore they are able to compete with the other teams. If you keep on involving in the issues within the team, then the team cannot produce good results.

Politics are everywhere especially in the sports field, this is not only happening in Indian cricket board the same issue ruined the South Africa and Pakistan cricket teams in the international standards but still India managed to come up with good players but not every talented player is getting their opportunity.

But we never heard of any politics in Australian cricket board or in England cricket board because they have a proper system where players are selected on their performances only and there are no favors for anyone. Those boards who are unable to overcome these politics, their team will go down in performance.

Once team starting losing badly or set new low standard, only after that political drama and scrutiny pops up. No team or sport is immune to this.

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10 Teams IPL is about to come in 2022 season.

Surely that's the case, even in the bad times of England and Australia, the boards and players were accused of favoring and ignoring players. Even there, some top players retired with dissatisfaction. On the concern of national teams, with a lot of regional and international exposure, it's not hard to predict which of the players would make it into the team and who won't.

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Quote from: mersal on December 25, 2020, 01:38:55 PM

Quote from: FIFA worldcup on December 25, 2020, 01:18:43 AM

I didn't know about this inside politics within the indian team but if it is true then it will not be good for the indian team. Good teams are strong from inside and therefore they are able to compete with the other teams. If you keep on involving in the issues within the team, then the team cannot produce good results.

Politics are everywhere especially in the sports field, this is not only happening in Indian cricket board the same issue ruined the South Africa and Pakistan cricket teams in the international standards but still India managed to come up with good players but not every talented player is getting their opportunity.

But we never heard of any politics in Australian cricket board or in England cricket board because they have a proper system where players are selected on their performances only and there are no favors for anyone. Those boards who are unable to overcome these politics, their team will go down in performance.

Once team starting losing badly or set new low standard, only after that political drama and scrutiny pops up. No team or sport is immune to this.

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10 Teams IPL is about to come in 2022 season.

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Quote from: mersal on December 25, 2020, 01:38:55 PM

Quote from: FIFA worldcup on December 25, 2020, 01:18:43 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 24, 2020, 11:23:38 AM

Quote from: ene1980 on December 24, 2020, 10:48:57 AM

Dinesh Karthik was in the team for a long time and he is in and out of the team because of Dhoni cementing his place and Rishabh Pant came into the team recently on back of some good innings in the junior tournaments. Yuzvendra Chahal also debuted in recent times as they replaced Ashwin and Jadeja combination with another left arm spinner.

Why can't India follow the system in England and Australia, where the coach/captain doesn't have the monopoly in team selection? As long as the selected players perform consistently, no one is going to complain. The issue arises when players such as Siraj gets selected ahead of the other well deserving players and they are unable to perform. Anyway, two days to go for the second test match and let's see how the Indian team perform.

I didn't know about this inside politics within the indian team but if it is true then it will not be good for the indian team. Good teams are strong from inside and therefore they are able to compete with the other teams. If you keep on involving in the issues within the team, then the team cannot produce good results.

Politics are everywhere especially in the sports field, this is not only happening in Indian cricket board the same issue ruined the South Africa and Pakistan cricket teams in the international standards but still India managed to come up with good players but not every talented player is getting their opportunity.

But we never heard of any politics in Australian cricket board or in England cricket board because they have a proper system where players are selected on their performances only and there are no favors for anyone. Those boards who are unable to overcome these politics, their team will go down in performance.

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Quote from: mersal on December 25, 2020, 01:38:55 PM

Politics are everywhere especially in the sports field, this is not only happening in Indian cricket board the same issue ruined the South Africa and Pakistan cricket teams in the international standards but still India managed to come up with good players but not every talented player is getting their opportunity.

At least the BCCI is nominally independent, while the boards in South Africa, Sri Lanka.etc are being run by government proxies. Saurav Ganguly (BCCI president) is an ex-India national team captain, while most of the other cricket boards are being headed by people with hardly any connection with cricket. Anyway, what is the point when the ICC chairman himself doesn't have any cricketing connection.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on December 25, 2020, 01:18:43 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 24, 2020, 11:23:38 AM

Quote from: ene1980 on December 24, 2020, 10:48:57 AM

Dinesh Karthik was in the team for a long time and he is in and out of the team because of Dhoni cementing his place and Rishabh Pant came into the team recently on back of some good innings in the junior tournaments. Yuzvendra Chahal also debuted in recent times as they replaced Ashwin and Jadeja combination with another left arm spinner.

Why can't India follow the system in England and Australia, where the coach/captain doesn't have the monopoly in team selection? As long as the selected players perform consistently, no one is going to complain. The issue arises when players such as Siraj gets selected ahead of the other well deserving players and they are unable to perform. Anyway, two days to go for the second test match and let's see how the Indian team perform.

I didn't know about this inside politics within the indian team but if it is true then it will not be good for the indian team. Good teams are strong from inside and therefore they are able to compete with the other teams. If you keep on involving in the issues within the team, then the team cannot produce good results.

Politics are everywhere especially in the sports field, this is not only happening in Indian cricket board the same issue ruined the South Africa and Pakistan cricket teams in the international standards but still India managed to come up with good players but not every talented player is getting their opportunity.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 24, 2020, 11:23:38 AM

Quote from: ene1980 on December 24, 2020, 10:48:57 AM

Dinesh Karthik was in the team for a long time and he is in and out of the team because of Dhoni cementing his place and Rishabh Pant came into the team recently on back of some good innings in the junior tournaments. Yuzvendra Chahal also debuted in recent times as they replaced Ashwin and Jadeja combination with another left arm spinner.

Why can't India follow the system in England and Australia, where the coach/captain doesn't have the monopoly in team selection? As long as the selected players perform consistently, no one is going to complain. The issue arises when players such as Siraj gets selected ahead of the other well deserving players and they are unable to perform. Anyway, two days to go for the second test match and let's see how the Indian team perform.

I didn't know about this inside politics within the indian team but if it is true then it will not be good for the indian team. Good teams are strong from inside and therefore they are able to compete with the other teams. If you keep on involving in the issues within the team, then the team cannot produce good results.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 24, 2020, 05:02:38 PM

Dinesh Karthik is not in the team for this Australian tour and he is a talented player and if you look like that then KL Rahul is another talented player who is a wicket keeper as well and he performed well in the IPL. The problem with Rishabh Pant is that he dropped catches as a wicket keeper in the past series and he should improve his wicket keeping skills. Pant played well in the warm up match but i doubt he could replicate that kind of innings in the international level.

Why there is even a discussion on Dinesh Karthik? His performance during the IPL 2020 was pathetic, and he managed just one half century from more than a dozen matches. And he hasn't played any first-class matches for almost a year now. If BCCI is looking for a wicket keeper batsman, then the future lies with players such as Rishabh Pant, Sanju Samson and Ishan Kishan, and not with oldies such as Dinesh Karthik and Saha.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 24, 2020, 01:20:20 PM

Dinesh Karthik could be in the Indian team for a few more years. Rishabh Pant is young now. Now Dinesh Karthik is in form, I think it would be wise to use him properly at this moment. He is a good finisher. He can take the helm of the team if necessary like Dhoni. At this moment, Rishabh Pant will be able to better adapt to the Indian team

Dinesh Karthik is not in the team for this Australian tour and he is a talented player and if you look like that then KL Rahul is another talented player who is a wicket keeper as well and he performed well in the IPL. The problem with Rishabh Pant is that he dropped catches as a wicket keeper in the past series and he should improve his wicket keeping skills. Pant played well in the warm up match but i doubt he could replicate that kind of innings in the international level.

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