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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on December 22, 2020, 02:54:39 PM

Hahaha. I also think they will cross at least 36 runs in every innings Grin

. They have not had such a bad time yet Grin

. Fortunately for Pakistan, they will play only two Test matches. I don't expect Pakistan to win. At the same time, I don't want to see a one-sided Test match. I hope Pakistan will fight hard.

It is going to be a very tough series for Pakistan. Look at the recent West Indies vs New Zealand test series. The New Zealand bowlers just steam rolled West Indies. All of their test bowlers, including Neil Wagner, Tim Southee, Kyle Jamieson and Trent Boult are in excellent form. This time also, New Zealand is likely to go with an all-pace attack, without any full-time spinners in the playing XI. Personally, I don't expect any miracles from Pakistan.

Looking at World test championship point of view, i hope they draw 1 game with their unpredictable behavior or may be rain lol? so that they could split the points. Grin

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on December 22, 2020, 02:54:39 PM

Hahaha. I also think they will cross at least 36 runs in every innings Grin

. They have not had such a bad time yet Grin

. Fortunately for Pakistan, they will play only two Test matches. I don't expect Pakistan to win. At the same time, I don't want to see a one-sided Test match. I hope Pakistan will fight hard.

It is going to be a very tough series for Pakistan. Look at the recent West Indies vs New Zealand test series. The New Zealand bowlers just steam rolled West Indies. All of their test bowlers, including Neil Wagner, Tim Southee, Kyle Jamieson and Trent Boult are in excellent form. This time also, New Zealand is likely to go with an all-pace attack, without any full-time spinners in the playing XI. Personally, I don't expect any miracles from Pakistan.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 22, 2020, 10:11:13 AM

You are right. In this subcontinent, politics works very much within the party or within the board. Many board presidents place players on the team of their choice. For this many young talents are lost. They are more common in Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka

This is true and one of the reasons for the poor performance of the sub-continental teams is the nepotism and bias in selection. Even Indian team is not free from this. Earlier, there were two camps within the national team - each led by Dhoni and Kohli respectively. Now the divisions are not that visible, but there are accusations that some of the players are being favored for selection.

Even though the Indian team is biased in selecting young players, they do not have to face any problems. Because almost all of their young players are talented. But in other countries, the issue of bias is very badly visible. Despite having their talented players, a player is given a chance again and again despite his poor performance. On the other hand, many young talents are lost due to a lack of a single opportunity.

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Pakistan's luck was helpful today so they were able to win today's match. Mohammad Rizwan and Mohammad Hafeez's innings were just amazing. It is mainly because of these two that Pakistan has won. I would like to mention Faheem Ashraf's name. New Zealand scored only 177 runs for his great bowling. He took some important wickets.

What is the point in winning a dead rubber? New Zealand already won the series and this match was just a formality. And remember that New Zealand was without many of their key players. The first test match will start in four days time. Let's see whether Pakistan is able to give any meaningful competition. I just hope that they will not get bowled out for 36 runs, like what happened to India at Adelaide. Grin

Pakistan won today, although I expected New Zealand to whitewash Pakistan.
I think Test matches will be one-sided. New Zealand will pick up an easy win. The Pakistan team is not as good as before. There is no continuity in the performance of their players. Even if they are not bowled out for 36 like India, I don't think they will be able to win a Test match.

Even New Zealand is hot favourite I am also feeling they can win this test series without any problem but still Pakistan can do some resistance as they have good history of fighting in worst situations Like India is now without Kohli and they are playing without Babar Azam which is very poor for them but on papers they are still good side hopefully they will cross 36 figure in all innings. Cheesy

Hahaha. I also think they will cross at least 36 runs in every innings Grin

. They have not had such a bad time yet Grin

. Fortunately for Pakistan, they will play only two Test matches. I don't expect Pakistan to win. At the same time, I don't want to see a one-sided Test match. I hope Pakistan will fight hard.

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Pakistan's luck was helpful today so they were able to win today's match. Mohammad Rizwan and Mohammad Hafeez's innings were just amazing. It is mainly because of these two that Pakistan has won. I would like to mention Faheem Ashraf's name. New Zealand scored only 177 runs for his great bowling. He took some important wickets.

What is the point in winning a dead rubber? New Zealand already won the series and this match was just a formality. And remember that New Zealand was without many of their key players. The first test match will start in four days time. Let's see whether Pakistan is able to give any meaningful competition. I just hope that they will not get bowled out for 36 runs, like what happened to India at Adelaide. Grin

Pakistan won today, although I expected New Zealand to whitewash Pakistan.
I think Test matches will be one-sided. New Zealand will pick up an easy win. The Pakistan team is not as good as before. There is no continuity in the performance of their players. Even if they are not bowled out for 36 like India, I don't think they will be able to win a Test match.

Even New Zealand is hot favourite I am also feeling they can win this test series without any problem but still Pakistan can do some resistance as they have good history of fighting in worst situations Like India is now without Kohli and they are playing without Babar Azam which is very poor for them but on papers they are still good side hopefully they will cross 36 figure in all innings. Cheesy

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 22, 2020, 12:11:07 PM

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Pakistan's luck was helpful today so they were able to win today's match. Mohammad Rizwan and Mohammad Hafeez's innings were just amazing. It is mainly because of these two that Pakistan has won. I would like to mention Faheem Ashraf's name. New Zealand scored only 177 runs for his great bowling. He took some important wickets.

What is the point in winning a dead rubber? New Zealand already won the series and this match was just a formality. And remember that New Zealand was without many of their key players. The first test match will start in four days time. Let's see whether Pakistan is able to give any meaningful competition. I just hope that they will not get bowled out for 36 runs, like what happened to India at Adelaide. Grin

Pakistan won today, although I expected New Zealand to whitewash Pakistan.
I think Test matches will be one-sided. New Zealand will pick up an easy win. The Pakistan team is not as good as before. There is no continuity in the performance of their players. Even if they are not bowled out for 36 like India, I don't think they will be able to win a Test match.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on December 22, 2020, 11:54:13 AM

Pakistan's luck was helpful today so they were able to win today's match. Mohammad Rizwan and Mohammad Hafeez's innings were just amazing. It is mainly because of these two that Pakistan has won. I would like to mention Faheem Ashraf's name. New Zealand scored only 177 runs for his great bowling. He took some important wickets.

What is the point in winning a dead rubber? New Zealand already won the series and this match was just a formality. And remember that New Zealand was without many of their key players. The first test match will start in four days time. Let's see whether Pakistan is able to give any meaningful competition. I just hope that they will not get bowled out for 36 runs, like what happened to India at Adelaide. Grin

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They have history of punching above their weight in the limited overs and like every other team they also enjoy stronghold in tests at home turf. Unfortunately media never gave kiwis players much footage, one example is Ross taylor. Taylor average above 45ish in test and ODI but we never hear much about him.

It is true that Ross Taylor always flies under the radar, just now i checked his profile and his ODI average is 48.44 which was surprising and i thought his biggest issue was his inconsistency and lack of performance in big matches.

Pakistan was lucky to win the toss and after loosing two matches and the series defending the team total and failed miserably and now they was able to somehow win the match chasing the score and when i was watching the match i thought Pakistan would loose the close match as they were loosing wickets but somehow chased down the target.

No surprises, he's backbone of Blackcaps along with the Kane Williamson.

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I had a bet on Pakistan and they gave me a scare when they lost 4 quick wicket at the final phase, was worried about another choke up moment but Iftikhar Ahmed finished the job.

Pakistan's luck was helpful today so they were able to win today's match. Mohammad Rizwan and Mohammad Hafeez's innings were just amazing. It is mainly because of these two that Pakistan has won. I would like to mention Faheem Ashraf's name. New Zealand scored only 177 runs for his great bowling. He took some important wickets.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 22, 2020, 10:11:13 AM

You are right. In this subcontinent, politics works very much within the party or within the board. Many board presidents place players on the team of their choice. For this many young talents are lost. They are more common in Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka

This is true and one of the reasons for the poor performance of the sub-continental teams is the nepotism and bias in selection. Even Indian team is not free from this. Earlier, there were two camps within the national team - each led by Dhoni and Kohli respectively. Now the divisions are not that visible, but there are accusations that some of the players are being favored for selection.

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The Pakistan team is now devastated. Earlier, we were anxiously waiting to watch Pakistan's matches. Because they had some world class bowlers in their team. They had some hard hitter batsmen like Afridi. We enjoyed watching them play. Now watching Pakistan play is just a waste of time. The team is now in such a bad condition due to the corruption of the board.

It is true that Pakistan no longer have world class bowlers of the calibre of Wasim Akram or Shoaib Akhtar in their squad. The management failed to find young talent, after the legends retired. One reason for this may be the poor shape of their domestic cricket. The format of Pakistani domestic cricket is constantly being changed and this actually has a detrimental impact.

I agree with you. Pakistan is failing to find new talent. And they are not able to produce talented players properly because of internal problems within their management. Firstly, they have to make the board free from corruption. Secondly, they have to solve their internal problems. And thirdly, they need to increase the number of domestic leagues. Only then will they find more new talent.

Pakistan cricket team are passing very crucial time right now. Pakistan team management have made wrong move recently, putting too much pressure on players if someone fails, they will drop him from the team just like they dropped Amir. Politics and rivalry among players play a prominent part in the way Cricket runs in the subcontinent. Pakistan Cricket Board have to work on it.

You are right. In this subcontinent, politics works very much within the party or within the board. Many board presidents place players on the team of their choice. For this many young talents are lost. They are more common in Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka

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Quote from: ene1980 on December 22, 2020, 08:49:06 AM

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They have history of punching above their weight in the limited overs and like every other team they also enjoy stronghold in tests at home turf. Unfortunately media never gave kiwis players much footage, one example is Ross taylor. Taylor average above 45ish in test and ODI but we never hear much about him.

It is true that Ross Taylor always flies under the radar, just now i checked his profile and his ODI average is 48.44 which was surprising and i thought his biggest issue was his inconsistency and lack of performance in big matches.

Pakistan was lucky to win the toss and after loosing two matches and the series defending the team total and failed miserably and now they was able to somehow win the match chasing the score and when i was watching the match i thought Pakistan would loose the close match as they were loosing wickets but somehow chased down the target.

No surprises, he's backbone of Blackcaps along with the Kane Williamson.

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I had a bet on Pakistan and they gave me a scare when they lost 4 quick wicket at the final phase, was worried about another choke up moment but Iftikhar Ahmed finished the job.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 22, 2020, 03:27:54 AM

They have history of punching above their weight in the limited overs and like every other team they also enjoy stronghold in tests at home turf. Unfortunately media never gave kiwis players much footage, one example is Ross taylor. Taylor average above 45ish in test and ODI but we never hear much about him.

It is true that Ross Taylor always flies under the radar, just now i checked his profile and his ODI average is 48.44 which was surprising and i thought his biggest issue was his inconsistency and lack of performance in big matches.

Pakistan was lucky to win the toss and after loosing two matches and the series defending the team total and failed miserably and now they was able to somehow win the match chasing the score and when i was watching the match i thought Pakistan would loose the close match as they were loosing wickets but somehow chased down the target.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on December 21, 2020, 12:06:53 PM

The main Pakistan bowlers are getting trashed and until they are able to pick wickets or restrict the run flow there is nothing you can do, either you get the toss and bowl first and try to chase, defending the total is a dream for Pakistan Cheesy

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It looks like the Pakistan captain was following your posts as they won the toss and put the opposition to bat first and then chased down the total and won the match Cheesy

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All the credits goes to Mohammad Rizwan for batting till the 19th over and scoring at a good pace and then Iftikhar Ahmed finished the final finishing job, it was an unexpected win as always with Pakistan.

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Finally Pakistan got a consolation win in New Zealand. Good for them! Two South African imports (Devon Conway and Glenn Phillips) scored more than half of the New Zealand total of 173, but Pakistan managed to chase it down with two balls to spare (thanks to 89 from Mohammad Rizwan). BTW, the player of the series award went to Tim Seifert of New Zealand.

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But still they done very good work for this all because few years back we have not much interest in cricket from here as Kiwis was Rugby lovers but currently some good and strong domestic system bring good number of youngs in this and they are dominant in last few years back to back to finals lost is not problem as goood thing now they have good quality cricketers.

Despite its limited talent pool, New Zealand has always managed to find very good pace bowlers, starting from the time of Sir Richard Hadlee. Only batting was a concern for them, with New Zealand producing world class pacers such as Shane Bond, Trent Boult, Danny Morrison and Chris Cairns. Now with players such as Ross Taylor and Kane Williamson, they have improved on the batting department as well.

They have history of punching above their weight in the limited overs and like every other team they also enjoy stronghold in tests at home turf. Unfortunately media never gave kiwis players much footage, one example is Ross taylor. Taylor average above 45ish in test and ODI but we never hear much about him.

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Quote from: Indymoney on December 21, 2020, 01:33:18 PM

But still they done very good work for this all because few years back we have not much interest in cricket from here as Kiwis was Rugby lovers but currently some good and strong domestic system bring good number of youngs in this and they are dominant in last few years back to back to finals lost is not problem as goood thing now they have good quality cricketers.

Despite its limited talent pool, New Zealand has always managed to find very good pace bowlers, starting from the time of Sir Richard Hadlee. Only batting was a concern for them, with New Zealand producing world class pacers such as Shane Bond, Trent Boult, Danny Morrison and Chris Cairns. Now with players such as Ross Taylor and Kane Williamson, they have improved on the batting department as well.

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Whatever is the situation the New Zealand cricket board is able to pick the most suitable and talented players to represent their nation, for a long time they were looked upon as a dark horse but now they have a really great team that could challenge any team and they need to groom the younger players as well to continue this journey.

New Zealand is now a world class side with world class players. In terms of revenue generation, cricket is still dominated by the big 3 (India, Australia and England). But in terms of performance, now it has become big 4 (big 3 + New Zealand). A huge gap exists between these four countries and the remaining 8 test playing nations. And this actually surprises me, because New Zealand has a population of only 4 million.

But still they done very good work for this all because few years back we have not much interest in cricket from here as Kiwis was Rugby lovers but currently some good and strong domestic system bring good number of youngs in this and they are dominant in last few years back to back to finals lost is not problem as goood thing now they have good quality cricketers.

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Whatever is the situation the New Zealand cricket board is able to pick the most suitable and talented players to represent their nation, for a long time they were looked upon as a dark horse but now they have a really great team that could challenge any team and they need to groom the younger players as well to continue this journey.

New Zealand is now a world class side with world class players. In terms of revenue generation, cricket is still dominated by the big 3 (India, Australia and England). But in terms of performance, now it has become big 4 (big 3 + New Zealand). A huge gap exists between these four countries and the remaining 8 test playing nations. And this actually surprises me, because New Zealand has a population of only 4 million.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 20, 2020, 12:08:58 PM

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New Zealand now has the depth in their player pool, and at least part of this should be attributed to the massive influx of players from other countries. With the Kolpak option getting phased out in England, New Zealand has emerged as the primary option for the white players from South Africa. More than a dozen of them are currently playing domestic cricket in NZ. Devon Conway and Glenn Phillips were part of the team that beat Pakistan today and the playing XI also included Ish Sodhi (who was born in India).

Whatever is the situation the New Zealand cricket board is able to pick the most suitable and talented players to represent their nation, for a long time they were looked upon as a dark horse but now they have a really great team that could challenge any team and they need to groom the younger players as well to continue this journey.

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It is surprising that after playing so many warmup matches and getting enough time to get acclimatized to the local conditions, Pakistan is still performing in such a pathetic manner. New Zealand is playing without some of their key players such as Kane Williamson and Lockie Ferguson and still they are able to win consecutive matches. The last T20I match will be played tomorrow and I don't expect any miracle from Pakistan.

The main Pakistan bowlers are getting trashed and until they are able to pick wickets or restrict the run flow there is nothing you can do, either you get the toss and bowl first and try to chase, defending the total is a dream for Pakistan Cheesy

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Quote from: Iranus on December 21, 2020, 09:53:33 AM

I agree with you. Pakistan is failing to find new talent. And they are not able to produce talented players properly because of internal problems within their management. Firstly, they have to make the board free from corruption. Secondly, they have to solve their internal problems. And thirdly, they need to increase the number of domestic leagues. Only then will they find more new talent.

Rather than increasing the number of domestic leagues and domestic teams, they need to have a standard first-class system, similar to the one the y have in England or Australia. IMO, the main issue is that their 4-day domestic tournament (Quaid-i-Azam Trophy) doesn't have the required quality. Also, they are changing the format every now and then, and therefore there is no stability. A total of 16 teams participated in this tournament during the 2018–19 season. One year later, the number of teams were cut down to just six. Despite the reduction in the number of teams, the quality of cricket has remained the same.

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