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Quote from: Iranus on December 21, 2020, 09:53:33 AM

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The Pakistan team is now devastated. Earlier, we were anxiously waiting to watch Pakistan's matches. Because they had some world class bowlers in their team. They had some hard hitter batsmen like Afridi. We enjoyed watching them play. Now watching Pakistan play is just a waste of time. The team is now in such a bad condition due to the corruption of the board.

It is true that Pakistan no longer have world class bowlers of the calibre of Wasim Akram or Shoaib Akhtar in their squad. The management failed to find young talent, after the legends retired. One reason for this may be the poor shape of their domestic cricket. The format of Pakistani domestic cricket is constantly being changed and this actually has a detrimental impact.

I agree with you. Pakistan is failing to find new talent. And they are not able to produce talented players properly because of internal problems within their management. Firstly, they have to make the board free from corruption. Secondly, they have to solve their internal problems. And thirdly, they need to increase the number of domestic leagues. Only then will they find more new talent.

Pakistan cricket team are passing very crucial time right now. Pakistan team management have made wrong move recently, putting too much pressure on players if someone fails, they will drop him from the team just like they dropped Amir. Politics and rivalry among players play a prominent part in the way Cricket runs in the subcontinent. Pakistan Cricket Board have to work on it.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 21, 2020, 05:25:59 AM

Quote from: Iranus on December 21, 2020, 04:27:51 AM

The Pakistan team is now devastated. Earlier, we were anxiously waiting to watch Pakistan's matches. Because they had some world class bowlers in their team. They had some hard hitter batsmen like Afridi. We enjoyed watching them play. Now watching Pakistan play is just a waste of time. The team is now in such a bad condition due to the corruption of the board.

It is true that Pakistan no longer have world class bowlers of the calibre of Wasim Akram or Shoaib Akhtar in their squad. The management failed to find young talent, after the legends retired. One reason for this may be the poor shape of their domestic cricket. The format of Pakistani domestic cricket is constantly being changed and this actually has a detrimental impact.

I agree with you. Pakistan is failing to find new talent. And they are not able to produce talented players properly because of internal problems within their management. Firstly, they have to make the board free from corruption. Secondly, they have to solve their internal problems. And thirdly, they need to increase the number of domestic leagues. Only then will they find more new talent.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 21, 2020, 04:27:51 AM

The Pakistan team is now devastated. Earlier, we were anxiously waiting to watch Pakistan's matches. Because they had some world class bowlers in their team. They had some hard hitter batsmen like Afridi. We enjoyed watching them play. Now watching Pakistan play is just a waste of time. The team is now in such a bad condition due to the corruption of the board.

It is true that Pakistan no longer have world class bowlers of the calibre of Wasim Akram or Shoaib Akhtar in their squad. The management failed to find young talent, after the legends retired. One reason for this may be the poor shape of their domestic cricket. The format of Pakistani domestic cricket is constantly being changed and this actually has a detrimental impact.

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New Zealand showed that they could win with without Kane Williamson against Pakistan and they dominated both the T20 matches and apart from their spinner Faheem Ashraf none of the bowlers could stamp their domination against the New Zealand batsman and they will white wash the series. Pakistan needs to improve their fielding and support their bowlers if they want to be competitive.

It is surprising that after playing so many warmup matches and getting enough time to get acclimatized to the local conditions, Pakistan is still performing in such a pathetic manner. New Zealand is playing without some of their key players such as Kane Williamson and Lockie Ferguson and still they are able to win consecutive matches. The last T20I match will be played tomorrow and I don't expect any miracle from Pakistan.

The Pakistan team is now devastated. Earlier, we were anxiously waiting to watch Pakistan's matches. Because they had some world class bowlers in their team. They had some hard hitter batsmen like Afridi. We enjoyed watching them play. Now watching Pakistan play is just a waste of time. The team is now in such a bad condition due to the corruption of the board.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on December 20, 2020, 11:28:07 AM

New Zealand showed that they could win with without Kane Williamson against Pakistan and they dominated both the T20 matches and apart from their spinner Faheem Ashraf none of the bowlers could stamp their domination against the New Zealand batsman and they will white wash the series. Pakistan needs to improve their fielding and support their bowlers if they want to be competitive.

It is surprising that after playing so many warmup matches and getting enough time to get acclimatized to the local conditions, Pakistan is still performing in such a pathetic manner. New Zealand is playing without some of their key players such as Kane Williamson and Lockie Ferguson and still they are able to win consecutive matches. The last T20I match will be played tomorrow and I don't expect any miracle from Pakistan.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on December 20, 2020, 11:28:07 AM

New Zealand showed that they could win with without Kane Williamson against Pakistan and they dominated both the T20 matches and apart from their spinner Faheem Ashraf none of the bowlers could stamp their domination against the New Zealand batsman and they will white wash the series. Pakistan needs to improve their fielding and support their bowlers if they want to be competitive.

New Zealand now has the depth in their player pool, and at least part of this should be attributed to the massive influx of players from other countries. With the Kolpak option getting phased out in England, New Zealand has emerged as the primary option for the white players from South Africa. More than a dozen of them are currently playing domestic cricket in NZ. Devon Conway and Glenn Phillips were part of the team that beat Pakistan today and the playing XI also included Ish Sodhi (who was born in India).

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on December 20, 2020, 03:38:36 AM

Seifert and Kane Williamson are taking this game away from pakistan. Although hafeez played well in the first innings but seifert is playing equally better than him and newzealand are not losing wickets on the other side which give him opportunity to play more freely and aggressively.

New Zealand showed that they could win with without Kane Williamson against Pakistan and they dominated both the T20 matches and apart from their spinner Faheem Ashraf none of the bowlers could stamp their domination against the New Zealand batsman and they will white wash the series. Pakistan needs to improve their fielding and support their bowlers if they want to be competitive.

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Quote from: Pffrt on December 20, 2020, 07:51:29 AM

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Not just the board or the management, the player themselves seems to be divided or at least that what Mohammad Amir suggested during his retirement.

Come on mate. It's nothing new. I have been watching this for years now for a long time since the time of Shoib Akhtar. They hardly had a good inner combination I think and that's what make the team a trash.

Personal differences can exist within a team and I don't find anything unusual about it. Not just Pakistan, but other teams have also their fair share of internal squabbles. But the trick is to make sure that these quarrels remain within the team and it doesn't impact the performance. As far as I can see, the Pakistani team has managed to do that. Only a few players such as Amir are not happy with the current setup.

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Quote from: covfefe_ on December 20, 2020, 07:06:20 AM

Not just the board or the management, the player themselves seems to be divided or at least that what Mohammad Amir suggested during his retirement.

Come on mate. It's nothing new. I have been watching this for years now for a long time since the time of Shoib Akhtar. They hardly had a good inner combination I think and that's what make the team a trash.

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Quote from: covfefe_ on December 20, 2020, 07:06:20 AM

Pakistan team surely is a bit messed up now. Not just the board or the management, the player themselves seems to be divided or at least that what Mohammad Amir suggested during his retirement. Whenever people and their opinion becomes larger than the system and the selection procedure, you can't expect a strong team. This is not entirely a new thing in cricket but they should solve it as soon as possible.

This can happen, when the team is not performing well. When they are winning matches continuously, the players will have no issues in listening to the captain. But when they are losing matches consecutively the instinct is to put the blame on someone else and the captain and the management becomes the convenient scapegoats. It is OK for the players to make their complaints heard. But indiscipline should not be tolerated within the team.

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Pakistan team surely is a bit messed up now. Not just the board or the management, the player themselves seems to be divided or at least that what Mohammad Amir suggested during his retirement. Whenever people and their opinion becomes larger than the system and the selection procedure, you can't expect a strong team. This is not entirely a new thing in cricket but they should solve it as soon as possible.

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This tour is turning out to be a nightmare for Pakistan. Losing matches is not the matter.. but the manner in which they are losing matters. Their morale will be ahead of the test series, after such crushing defeats. Anyway, one more T20I match remains, to be played at Napier. If Pakistan can win this match, then it will give them some sort of a consolation ahead of the test series.

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Quote from: SATWAT on December 20, 2020, 05:25:28 AM

Pakistani team is totally down by body language and by moral they need something special but sadly they have no one who give them some good fighting spirit yesterday they was laughing on India and now they have to laugh on their own

Winning and losing is part of the game but getting all out on 36 is a major concern.

Quote from: SATWAT on December 20, 2020, 05:25:28 AM

they fall from 1 to 5 in twenty/20 ranking.

Pakistan was not on No. 1 ranking in T20 ICC ranking. I think they were already on Number 4 . England was at number 1 position.

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Pakistan has won the toss and elected to bat in the 2nd T20I at Hamilton against New Zealand. Although Pakistan has loss the first T20 but i hope they will be able to come back in this match. the pitch look good and they should be able to score 170+ and then bowl well to defend it.

@UmerIdrees it seems that Pakistan is going to lose this T20 match too, because currently they’re struggling at 128 runs for the loss of 5 wickets, and it’s already the 17th over, hence I don’t expect any miracle from them now. Furthermore the only way Pakistan can win this match is if New Zealand batting lineup suddenly crumbles, but we both know that won’t happen.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/30854/nz-vs-pak-2nd-t20i-pakistan-tour-of-new-zealand-2020-21

163 is not a big score but still nothing can be said at this time. It is too early to think Pakistan will lose the match. Newzealand has already lost 1 wicket, a few good overs by Pakistan will swing the game towards pakistan. Google probability score still shows Newzealand has the upper edge.

Seifert and Kane Williamson are taking this game away from pakistan. Although hafeez played well in the first innings but seifert is playing equally better than him and newzealand are not losing wickets on the other side which give him opportunity to play more freely and aggressively.

EDIT: 105/1 in 12 overs

If you try to play without any planing and have nothing special to encouragement then surely you have to face results like these currently Pakistani team is totally down by body language and by moral they need something special but sadly they have no one who give them some good fighting spirit yesterday they was laughing on India and now they have to laugh on their own how they fall from 1 to 5 in twenty/20 ranking.

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Pakistan has won the toss and elected to bat in the 2nd T20I at Hamilton against New Zealand. Although Pakistan has loss the first T20 but i hope they will be able to come back in this match. the pitch look good and they should be able to score 170+ and then bowl well to defend it.

@UmerIdrees it seems that Pakistan is going to lose this T20 match too, because currently they’re struggling at 128 runs for the loss of 5 wickets, and it’s already the 17th over, hence I don’t expect any miracle from them now. Furthermore the only way Pakistan can win this match is if New Zealand batting lineup suddenly crumbles, but we both know that won’t happen.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/30854/nz-vs-pak-2nd-t20i-pakistan-tour-of-new-zealand-2020-21

163 is not a big score but still nothing can be said at this time. It is too early to think Pakistan will lose the match. Newzealand has already lost 1 wicket, a few good overs by Pakistan will swing the game towards pakistan. Google probability score still shows Newzealand has the upper edge.

Seifert and Kane Williamson are taking this game away from pakistan. Although hafeez played well in the first innings but seifert is playing equally better than him and newzealand are not losing wickets on the other side which give him opportunity to play more freely and aggressively.

EDIT: 105/1 in 12 overs

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 20, 2020, 02:27:08 AM

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Pakistan has won the toss and elected to bat in the 2nd T20I at Hamilton against New Zealand. Although Pakistan has loss the first T20 but i hope they will be able to come back in this match. the pitch look good and they should be able to score 170+ and then bowl well to defend it.

@UmerIdrees it seems that Pakistan is going to lose this T20 match too, because currently they’re struggling at 128 runs for the loss of 5 wickets, and it’s already the 17th over, hence I don’t expect any miracle from them now. Furthermore the only way Pakistan can win this match is if New Zealand batting lineup suddenly crumbles, but we both know that won’t happen.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/30854/nz-vs-pak-2nd-t20i-pakistan-tour-of-new-zealand-2020-21

Pakistan did start slow but recovered well in their innings and Hafeez played a good knock and missed his century by a single run. They could have defended this total but NZ are playing too well and currently no doubt NZ are the favorites.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 20, 2020, 02:27:08 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 20, 2020, 01:01:26 AM

Pakistan has won the toss and elected to bat in the 2nd T20I at Hamilton against New Zealand. Although Pakistan has loss the first T20 but i hope they will be able to come back in this match. the pitch look good and they should be able to score 170+ and then bowl well to defend it.

@UmerIdrees it seems that Pakistan is going to lose this T20 match too, because currently they’re struggling at 128 runs for the loss of 5 wickets, and it’s already the 17th over, hence I don’t expect any miracle from them now. Furthermore the only way Pakistan can win this match is if New Zealand batting lineup suddenly crumbles, but we both know that won’t happen.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/30854/nz-vs-pak-2nd-t20i-pakistan-tour-of-new-zealand-2020-21

163 is not a big score but still nothing can be said at this time. It is too early to think Pakistan will lose the match. Newzealand has already lost 1 wicket, a few good overs by Pakistan will swing the game towards pakistan. Google probability score still shows Newzealand has the upper edge.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 20, 2020, 01:01:26 AM

Pakistan has won the toss and elected to bat in the 2nd T20I at Hamilton against New Zealand. Although Pakistan has loss the first T20 but i hope they will be able to come back in this match. the pitch look good and they should be able to score 170+ and then bowl well to defend it.

@UmerIdrees it seems that Pakistan is going to lose this T20 match too, because currently they’re struggling at 128 runs for the loss of 5 wickets, and it’s already the 17th over, hence I don’t expect any miracle from them now. Furthermore the only way Pakistan can win this match is if New Zealand batting lineup suddenly crumbles, but we both know that won’t happen.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/30854/nz-vs-pak-2nd-t20i-pakistan-tour-of-new-zealand-2020-21

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Pakistan has won the toss and elected to bat in the 2nd T20I at Hamilton against New Zealand. Although Pakistan has loss the first T20 but i hope they will be able to come back in this match. the pitch look good and they should be able to score 170+ and then bowl well to defend it.

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Quote from: Indymoney on December 19, 2020, 08:43:55 AM

In this case we have nothing new because we have history of many players those leave Pakistan for better future and they have some good time in other countries even then there was no IPL related thing in Pakistan PCB is never been settle to work on merit or players friendly.

It is a reality in present day cricket, and applicable for all the teams (not just Pakistan). Franchise T20 cricket has grown to such an extent that players are retiring from international cricket to represent various franchises. And in the future, this will become even more evident. Teams such as Pakistan needs to adjust with this reality and the PCB needs to listen to the players regarding their concerns.

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