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BCCI will never add cricket into olympics even other cricket boards wanted to BCCI can influence them to stop them getting added because if cricket become a part of Olympics then BCCI is one of the big profits loser from their major tournaments this is the only reason they don't want to be a part of Olympics.

Loss of profits may be just one of the many concerns. There are other factors in play as well. Some of them are:

1. Olympic athletes are subjected to drug tests. BCCI has not given approval to this.

2. There will be no automatic qualification for all the 11 test nations. BCCI/ICC is against this.

3. A global tournament such as Olympics can have a negative impact on other ICC tournaments.

4. Only citizens of a particular country can represent it in the Olympic games. This means that UAE, USA.etc can't field teams.

5. It may cause complexities to some of the existing teams. For example, England, Wales, Scotland and N.Ireland will be forced to field a single team (which needs to include other teams such as Bermuda, Anguilla.etc as well). Ireland team will only consist of Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland players can't play for Ireland.
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I checked Abu Dhabi T-10 cricket league's rules and it seems pretty neat, less than 2 hours and match wrapped for good.

- 10 overs for each team, each inning 45 mins.
- Power play for First 4 overs, only 2 players can stay outside 30 yard circle during power play. 1 bowler can bawl only 2 overs
- In case of interruption or rain, minimum 5 overs are required from each team to get the results.
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I remembered that last year there were talks about Cricket being included in the 2028 Olympics and initially BCCI was not at all keen, but later on it seemed that BCCI had a change of heart and was open to sending a team for the Olympics. However I can’t find any more information about what happened after the initial discussions took place, hence we all will have to wait for quiet a while now before we get any official update from BCCI regarding the Olympics situation.

Source:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2019/08/14/cricket-set-to-be-included-in-2028-los-angeles-olympics/#6fc5b6e319af

These are delaying tactics from the part of the BCCI and the ICC. They have zero interest in the inclusion of cricket in the Olympics. But they can't openly state this, because most of the fans want the sport to be included. So for the past 10-12 years, they are giving excuse after excuse. I remember in 2011 or 2012, some of the ICC officials saying that they will try to include cricket in 2020 Olympics. Now after a decade, they are saying that they will go for the 2028 edition. After one more decade, we'll see them claiming that they are trying to get cricket included for the 2040 Olympic games.
BCCI will never add cricket into olympics even other cricket boards wanted to BCCI can influence them to stop them getting added because if cricket become a part of Olympics then BCCI is one of the big profits loser from their major tournaments this is the only reason they don't want to be a part of Olympics.

I think we had enough discussion about Olympics and cricket. Until there is any news about that, there is no point keep discussing , if it is good for the cricket or bad if cricket is included in Olympics.
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Any news of T20 being played anywhere in the world ? Let me know even it is played at any regional level.
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I remembered that last year there were talks about Cricket being included in the 2028 Olympics and initially BCCI was not at all keen, but later on it seemed that BCCI had a change of heart and was open to sending a team for the Olympics. However I can’t find any more information about what happened after the initial discussions took place, hence we all will have to wait for quiet a while now before we get any official update from BCCI regarding the Olympics situation.

Source:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2019/08/14/cricket-set-to-be-included-in-2028-los-angeles-olympics/#6fc5b6e319af

These are delaying tactics from the part of the BCCI and the ICC. They have zero interest in the inclusion of cricket in the Olympics. But they can't openly state this, because most of the fans want the sport to be included. So for the past 10-12 years, they are giving excuse after excuse. I remember in 2011 or 2012, some of the ICC officials saying that they will try to include cricket in 2020 Olympics. Now after a decade, they are saying that they will go for the 2028 edition. After one more decade, we'll see them claiming that they are trying to get cricket included for the 2040 Olympic games.
BCCI will never add cricket into olympics even other cricket boards wanted to BCCI can influence them to stop them getting added because if cricket become a part of Olympics then BCCI is one of the big profits loser from their major tournaments this is the only reason they don't want to be a part of Olympics.
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I remembered that last year there were talks about Cricket being included in the 2028 Olympics and initially BCCI was not at all keen, but later on it seemed that BCCI had a change of heart and was open to sending a team for the Olympics. However I can’t find any more information about what happened after the initial discussions took place, hence we all will have to wait for quiet a while now before we get any official update from BCCI regarding the Olympics situation.

Source:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2019/08/14/cricket-set-to-be-included-in-2028-los-angeles-olympics/#6fc5b6e319af

These are delaying tactics from the part of the BCCI and the ICC. They have zero interest in the inclusion of cricket in the Olympics. But they can't openly state this, because most of the fans want the sport to be included. So for the past 10-12 years, they are giving excuse after excuse. I remember in 2011 or 2012, some of the ICC officials saying that they will try to include cricket in 2020 Olympics. Now after a decade, they are saying that they will go for the 2028 edition. After one more decade, we'll see them claiming that they are trying to get cricket included for the 2040 Olympic games.
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Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me. 

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Coming back to this T10 game format, it is surely a bowling nightmare but they should change the rules for T10. There should be only 5 batsmen allowed in T10 instead of 10 and this will bring some interest in the game and it will not be like blind hitting like in baseball.
If they think about this all then surely with current system T-10 is really good for Olympics because its really interesting and any team can produce any result surely we will able to have few big upsets going with 5 batsmen is not ideal as full team format is also not bad at all.

I actually like this format as I think it gives all teams even the lower ranked teams a chance at winning against the top teams as anything can happen in 10 overs so I really like the idea. Yes I agree that it will be tough on the bowlers but that was the same when T20 started, the good bowlers will learn to adapt to the game just like they did for T20 and in time I'm sure it will even out.

If you like T10 with full 10 players, then you would also like the Hong Kong Cricket Sixes, where there is six overs side match and you will only find sixes in that tournament. I don't like anything entertainment to see four and sixes of every ball.
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Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me. 

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Coming back to this T10 game format, it is surely a bowling nightmare but they should change the rules for T10. There should be only 5 batsmen allowed in T10 instead of 10 and this will bring some interest in the game and it will not be like blind hitting like in baseball.
If they think about this all then surely with current system T-10 is really good for Olympics because its really interesting and any team can produce any result surely we will able to have few big upsets going with 5 batsmen is not ideal as full team format is also not bad at all.

I actually like this format as I think it gives all teams even the lower ranked teams a chance at winning against the top teams as anything can happen in 10 overs so I really like the idea. Yes I agree that it will be tough on the bowlers but that was the same when T20 started, the good bowlers will learn to adapt to the game just like they did for T20 and in time I'm sure it will even out.

Yes, there is nothing wrong with this format. If you like big-hitting matches then this format is for you. Nowadays bowler are having tough times in one day and T20 format as well. Pitches are being made to help the batsmen more than bowlers because the crowd loves big sixes and fours.

The best thing about T10 format is that it will not consume half of your day.
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Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me. 

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Coming back to this T10 game format, it is surely a bowling nightmare but they should change the rules for T10. There should be only 5 batsmen allowed in T10 instead of 10 and this will bring some interest in the game and it will not be like blind hitting like in baseball.
If they think about this all then surely with current system T-10 is really good for Olympics because its really interesting and any team can produce any result surely we will able to have few big upsets going with 5 batsmen is not ideal as full team format is also not bad at all.

I actually like this format as I think it gives all teams even the lower ranked teams a chance at winning against the top teams as anything can happen in 10 overs so I really like the idea. Yes I agree that it will be tough on the bowlers but that was the same when T20 started, the good bowlers will learn to adapt to the game just like they did for T20 and in time I'm sure it will even out.
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Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me. 

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Coming back to this T10 game format, it is surely a bowling nightmare but they should change the rules for T10. There should be only 5 batsmen allowed in T10 instead of 10 and this will bring some interest in the game and it will not be like blind hitting like in baseball.
If they think about this all then surely with current system T-10 is really good for Olympics because its really interesting and any team can produce any result surely we will able to have few big upsets going with 5 batsmen is not ideal as full team format is also not bad at all.
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Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me. 

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Coming back to this T10 game format, it is surely a bowling nightmare but they should change the rules for T10. There should be only 5 batsmen allowed in T10 instead of 10 and this will bring some interest in the game and it will not be like blind hitting like in baseball.
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But they can easily manage schedule as Olympics comes after 4 years and 2-3 weeks window is not too much.
If the ICC or the national cricket boards say they are representing the country then they should find a solution as this is the best opportunity for several countries to win a medal at the Olympics especially India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan who have not won many medals in a global event like Olympics Grin. The truth is that the fans are patriotic but the cricket boards are business oriented.

Exactly, Sub-continent sucks there so its reasonable chance to win some brownies.

@Indymoney There might be some merit on your argument but in long term Olympic is going to add new audience and its good for ICC or Cricket financially.

@Juggy777 yeah, process is bit slow but its moving forward for sure.
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Its not that ICC don't want this. But some cricket board has their eyes on short-term benefits, call it short sighted attitude. (ECB-BCCI)
The reason might be financial reasons and diverting the normal schedule for the Olympics which is financial not beneficial for the cricket boards and the ICC.

I can understand financial implication if ICC/Bilateral's series schedule clashing with the Olympics. But they can easily manage schedule as Olympics comes after 4 years and 2-3 weeks window is not too much.

As far as i know football in the Olympic is not big thing per se because majority of the players are required to be under 23 age. if this happens with cricket then its not real deal IMO. Schedule and dividing groups are open to discussion, they are more than capable of handling this issue so its not a big deal
If cricket becomes an Olympic sport then we must expect these sort of restrictions , usually they never allowed professional athletes to compete but right now those restrictions are removed but still we expect there will be some sort of restrictions like football.
I guess so, last year i read a report on this and if my memory serves me well then IOC was hinting that they would like to see regular national teams in the event.

I remembered that last year there were talks about Cricket being included in the 2028 Olympics and initially BCCI was not at all keen, but later on it seemed that BCCI had a change of heart and was open to sending a team for the Olympics. However I can’t find any more information about what happened after the initial discussions took place, hence we all will have to wait for quiet a while now before we get any official update from BCCI regarding the Olympics situation.

Source:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2019/08/14/cricket-set-to-be-included-in-2028-los-angeles-olympics/#6fc5b6e319af
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But they can easily manage schedule as Olympics comes after 4 years and 2-3 weeks window is not too much.
If the ICC or the national cricket boards say they are representing the country then they should find a solution as this is the best opportunity for several countries to win a medal at the Olympics especially India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan who have not won many medals in a global event like Olympics Grin. The truth is that the fans are patriotic but the cricket boards are business oriented.
This all sounds very good for talk but in fact its not easy because its not going to help in finances so surely ICC and few Cricket Boards will not like this all because they need money and they have no interest in any medal for country some time ago we have talk like this but its dropped as so may be we will not hear any good news about this in near future as well.
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But they can easily manage schedule as Olympics comes after 4 years and 2-3 weeks window is not too much.
If the ICC or the national cricket boards say they are representing the country then they should find a solution as this is the best opportunity for several countries to win a medal at the Olympics especially India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan who have not won many medals in a global event like Olympics Grin. The truth is that the fans are patriotic but the cricket boards are business oriented.
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Its not that ICC don't want this. But some cricket board has their eyes on short-term benefits, call it short sighted attitude. (ECB-BCCI)
The reason might be financial reasons and diverting the normal schedule for the Olympics which is financial not beneficial for the cricket boards and the ICC.

I can understand financial implication if ICC/Bilateral's series schedule clashing with the Olympics. But they can easily manage schedule as Olympics comes after 4 years and 2-3 weeks window is not too much.

As far as i know football in the Olympic is not big thing per se because majority of the players are required to be under 23 age. if this happens with cricket then its not real deal IMO. Schedule and dividing groups are open to discussion, they are more than capable of handling this issue so its not a big deal
If cricket becomes an Olympic sport then we must expect these sort of restrictions , usually they never allowed professional athletes to compete but right now those restrictions are removed but still we expect there will be some sort of restrictions like football.
I guess so, last year i read a report on this and if my memory serves me well then IOC was hinting that they would like to see regular national teams in the event.
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When you talk about cricket, the  term boring refers to the small teams or players which are unknown or did not belong to the Top 8 teams.
For example, If there are two T20 matches being played simultaneously between Aus Vs India and  USA Vs Canada , you will find everyone will be watching the first match even though it is a one sided one and the 2nd might be a thriller in terms of balls/run required.

This argument is flawed. For example, lets assume that two matches are taking place at the same time. Both of them involve test playing nations and no associate sides. The first one is between India and Australia, and the second one is between Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe. Do you really think that the TRP for the second match will be any higher than a USA vs Canada match?

And when talking about associates, I don't want to include teams such as USA, Canada, Hong Kong, UAE.etc. Because these teams don't have a single citizen playing for them. They are like India B or Pakistan B teams. The real associates are Scotland, Netherlands, Nepal, PNG, Namibia, Kenya.etc. And trust me, the associate nations can produce players who can become crowd favorites. During the 1999 World Cup, it was the turn of Gavin Hamilton and Steve Tikolo. In 2003, it was Collins Obuya and John Davison. Then again in 2007, it was Boyd Rankin. 

TRP depends upon views generated from a particular country. Both in I dia and Australia cricket is more watched than any other game therefore it is obvious TRP will be high. For Srilanka and Zimbabwe I am sure most srilankan will watch the match but I doubt Zimbabwe.

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Its not that ICC don't want this. But some cricket board has their eyes on short-term benefits, call it short sighted attitude. (ECB-BCCI)
The reason might be financial reasons and diverting the normal schedule for the Olympics which is financial not beneficial for the cricket boards and the ICC.

As far as i know football in the Olympic is not big thing per se because majority of the players are required to be under 23 age. if this happens with cricket then its not real deal IMO. Schedule and dividing groups are open to discussion, they are more than capable of handling this issue so its not a big deal
If cricket becomes an Olympic sport then we must expect these sort of restrictions , usually they never allowed professional athletes to compete but right now those restrictions are removed but still we expect there will be some sort of restrictions like football.
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When you talk about cricket, the  term boring refers to the small teams or players which are unknown or did not belong to the Top 8 teams.
For example, If there are two T20 matches being played simultaneously between Aus Vs India and  USA Vs Canada , you will find everyone will be watching the first match even though it is a one sided one and the 2nd might be a thriller in terms of balls/run required.

This argument is flawed. For example, lets assume that two matches are taking place at the same time. Both of them involve test playing nations and no associate sides. The first one is between India and Australia, and the second one is between Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe. Do you really think that the TRP for the second match will be any higher than a USA vs Canada match?

And when talking about associates, I don't want to include teams such as USA, Canada, Hong Kong, UAE.etc. Because these teams don't have a single citizen playing for them. They are like India B or Pakistan B teams. The real associates are Scotland, Netherlands, Nepal, PNG, Namibia, Kenya.etc. And trust me, the associate nations can produce players who can become crowd favorites. During the 1999 World Cup, it was the turn of Gavin Hamilton and Steve Tikolo. In 2003, it was Collins Obuya and John Davison. Then again in 2007, it was Boyd Rankin. 
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If we want only 8 regular teams for the Olympic then why are we even trying for the Olympics, shouldn't we stick to our usual routine then? Long term goal is " Promote cricket World wide" for this we need participation from new countries as well, ICC and fans can't afford "Boring Match" attitude if they want to promote the cricket, like it or not but its part of the deal.

I would agree with you about this "boring match" argument. Some of the most boring matches that I have watched involved two test playing nations. On the other hand, some of the most exciting matches involved one associate nation playing against one of the test playing nations. The defeat of West Indies during the 1996 World Cup to Kenya is still fresh in my mind. I was a small kid back then, and I was amazed by the Kenyan performance.

That said, Olympics doesn't allow too many automatic qualification slots. At the most, they may allow direct entry for 4 teams. That means that the remaining test nations need to play qualifiers and I don't think that the ICC will agree to this.

When you talk about cricket, the  term boring refers to the small teams or players which are unknown or did not belong to the Top 8 teams.
For example, If there are two T20 matches being played simultaneously between Aus Vs India and  USA Vs Canada , you will find everyone will be watching the first match even though it is a one sided one and the 2nd might be a thriller in terms of balls/run required.

This is fact because its happen many times in cricket I remember in 1992 world cup first match between Pakistan vs West Indies this was really bore match but on other hand Sri Lanka vs Zimbabwae was one of best matches in world cup but most of peoples was watching just bore match.
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If we want only 8 regular teams for the Olympic then why are we even trying for the Olympics, shouldn't we stick to our usual routine then? Long term goal is " Promote cricket World wide" for this we need participation from new countries as well, ICC and fans can't afford "Boring Match" attitude if they want to promote the cricket, like it or not but its part of the deal.

I would agree with you about this "boring match" argument. Some of the most boring matches that I have watched involved two test playing nations. On the other hand, some of the most exciting matches involved one associate nation playing against one of the test playing nations. The defeat of West Indies during the 1996 World Cup to Kenya is still fresh in my mind. I was a small kid back then, and I was amazed by the Kenyan performance.

That said, Olympics doesn't allow too many automatic qualification slots. At the most, they may allow direct entry for 4 teams. That means that the remaining test nations need to play qualifiers and I don't think that the ICC will agree to this.

When you talk about cricket, the  term boring refers to the small teams or players which are unknown or did not belong to the Top 8 teams.
For example, If there are two T20 matches being played simultaneously between Aus Vs India and  USA Vs Canada , you will find everyone will be watching the first match even though it is a one sided one and the 2nd might be a thriller in terms of balls/run required.
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