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Quote from: erikalui on January 31, 2020, 02:57:58 AM

84 for 4. Dube playing now and I have a feeling we may not even reach 130 today if they keep losing wickets and playing badly. The catches of NZ team are amazing and their fielding too is the best today.

India is in some trouble as they have already lost 6 wickets for score of just 88 runs in 11 overs. Run rate is not a problem but wickets is crucial and most likely NZ may all out India before their 20 overs. Manish Pandey is batting and if India has to cross 150 he has to stay till last over. NZ has a good chance to wrap India under 130 now if they can take another quick wicket here.

The win of New Zealand is confirmed, because how India kept scoring before the wickets of Kohli and Rahul and the current playing is entirely in the opposite direction. In this match few wickets looked to be unwanted wickets, particularly the wicket of Kohli, Washington Sundar, Rahul. Somehow India will manage to score between 130-140 as six more overs remaining for the first innings.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 31, 2020, 03:02:34 AM

Indian teams wicket are falling like a pack of cards. Three wicket haul for sodhee, impressive balling. What happened to Indian batting today? Are they planning seriously?

I can still understand Samson losing his wicket but what is the excuse for Iyer, Virat and Rahul who are used to playing such games under pressure. Iyer losing his wicket for just one run and hitting carelessly in an international match. They won't even reach 100 at this stage.

Finally reached 100. Is 130 possible now 😔

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Quote from: erikalui on January 31, 2020, 02:57:58 AM

84 for 4. Dube playing now and I have a feeling we may not even reach 130 today if they keep losing wickets and playing badly. The catches of NZ team are amazing and their fielding too is the best today.

New Zealand is tying India up with spin which is amazing as India is usually known to play spin really well but in this match they are troubled by the New Zealand spin bowlers and India lost 6 wickets where 4 were taken by spinners and they still have 8 overs to go and if they can somehow reach above 150 runs then it would be great as we will see an interesting chase if not it will be a one sided trashing in all departments.

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Quote from: erikalui on January 31, 2020, 02:57:58 AM

84 for 4. Dube playing now and I have a feeling we may not even reach 130 today if they keep losing wickets and playing badly. The catches of NZ team are amazing and their fielding too is the best today.

India is in some trouble as they have already lost 6 wickets for score of just 88 runs in 11 overs. Run rate is not a problem but wickets is crucial and most likely NZ may all out India before their 20 overs. Manish Pandey is batting and if India has to cross 150 he has to stay till last over. NZ has a good chance to wrap India under 130 now if they can take another quick wicket here.

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Indian teams wicket are falling like a pack of cards. Three wicket haul for sodhi, impressive balling. What happened to Indian batting today? Are they playing seriously?

At this rate I doubt they will reach 100 today.

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84 for 4. Dube playing now and I have a feeling we may not even reach 130 today if they keep losing wickets and playing badly. The catches of NZ team are amazing and their fielding too is the best today.

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Quote from: erikalui on January 31, 2020, 02:37:15 AM

Glad that they made a change and Samson proved to be unreliable as an opening batsmen. Virat too lost his wicket for just 11 runs. Hope Iyer manages to remain till the 15th over else Dube will again. Be eager to give away his wicket and they may end up with a score below 130.

It is still initial days for Samson in international cricket, give him some more opportunities and he will also perform well. It is KL Rahul who is the only one standing and fighting. What happened to Kohli and Iyer today?

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 31, 2020, 12:42:40 AM

Top 3
1. Rohit (Captain)
2. KL Rahul
3. Shreyas Iyer

Middle-lower order
4. Manish Pandey
5. Samson (WK)
6. Shivam Dube ( Give him full series and at-least 2 overs to bowl per game if things go south)
7. Washington Sunder ( replacement of Jadeja)

Bowlers-Tailenders
8. Kuldeep ( Would like to see combination of spin trio - Kuldeep-Chahal-Sunder)
9. Chahal
10. Navdeep Saini (
11. Bumrah ( Dude need more practice games, so no rest)

I agree with all the changes that you mentioned. Disappointed to see Samson get out so early. Rahul and Iyer are navigating the ship for now and am expecting them to build a big partnership together due to their splendid form these days.

Among the bowlers, Bumrah will probably retain his form while it will be great to see Chahal bowling again. Sunder is a promising bowler and deserves way more opportunities in my opinion.

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Glad that they made a change and Samson proved to be unreliable as an opening batsmen. Virat too lost his wicket for just 11 runs. Hope Iyer manages to remain till the 15th over else Dube will again. Be eager to give away his wicket and they may end up with a score below 130.

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Very dumb move from Sanju Samson, wasted golden opportunity here. filling Rohit's shoe is hard but still he shouldn't waste chances in that fashion.

edit :
Williamson & co doing their vodoo thingy with toss, dude keep winning all the tosses. (Williamson not playing today Tongue

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Quote from: erikalui on January 30, 2020, 11:33:40 PM

They are not changing Rohit or Kohli but instead Shami and Jadeja/Chahal will be replaced so their focus is to shuffle the bowlers with Saini and Yadav. I don't mind this change but Bumrah's performance hasn't been that great and wanted atleast Jadeja to stay as a bowler with the team.

India is resting Rohit Sharma for this match along with Shami and Jadeja and New Zealand won the toss and elected to field and i am expecting an attacking cricket from New Zealand and they will try to win the match somehow. India included Sanju Samson, Washington Sundar and Navdeep Saini in the squad and if they make use of the opportunity then it will be interesting as the bench strength keeps growing for India.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 31, 2020, 12:42:40 AM

India should use last 2 games for experiment only, no matter if series ends with 3-2. Kohli should take rest and give captaincy to Rohit for last 2 games (ODI and test series is coming), I don't see any harm in it. (Kohli-Shami-Jadeja benched)

Top 3
1. Rohit (Captain)
2. KL Rahul
3. Shreyas Iyer

Middle-lower order
4. Manish Pandey
5. Samson (WK)
6. Shivam Dube ( Give him full series and at-least 2 overs to bowl per game if things go south)
7. Washington Sunder ( replacement of Jadeja)

Bowlers-Tailenders
8. Kuldeep ( Would like to see combination of spin trio - Kuldeep-Chahal-Sunder)
9. Chahal
10. Navdeep Saini (
11. Bumrah ( Dude need more practice games, so no rest)

I think only 2 or 4 max changes should be done so that team has a balance side where India experiment few players and also does not lose the match that badly if possible n case it happens . One fast bowler, one spinner and one batsman max should be changed so that they also get chance and India try to win as well with other experienced players around . In next half an hour it would be cleared what is the playing 11 Squad .

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India should use last 2 games for experiment only, no matter if series ends with 3-2. Kohli should take rest and give captaincy to Rohit for last 2 games (ODI and test series is coming), I don't see any harm in it. (Kohli-Shami-Jadeja benched)

Top 3
1. Rohit (Captain)
2. KL Rahul
3. Shreyas Iyer

Middle-lower order
4. Manish Pandey
5. Samson (WK)
6. Shivam Dube ( Give him full series and at-least 2 overs to bowl per game if things go south)
7. Washington Sunder ( replacement of Jadeja)

Bowlers-Tailenders
8. Kuldeep ( Would like to see combination of spin trio - Kuldeep-Chahal-Sunder)
9. Chahal
10. Navdeep Saini (
11. Bumrah ( Dude need more practice games, so no rest)

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 30, 2020, 03:29:08 PM

Tim Southee is one of the worst bowlers I have seen over time in Cricket over the years. Honestly, I knew New Zealand were in trouble ever since Williamson decided to give him the ball. The dude leaks runs simple as that.

The problem with Tim Southee is that he is not varying his pace and not experimenting with his bowling as he always stick to his stock ball and in the shorter formats if you need to be successful you need to have some variety with varying pace

Quote from: eaLiTy on January 30, 2020, 02:31:16 PM

You do realize that Shreyas performed a similar act in the previous T-20, don't you? India has many such capable batsmen if you think about it.

Shreyas Iyer and even Shivam Dube can clear the ropes but to go out to bat and start swinging is a difficult task and even Rohit Sharma was not able to time the ball when he faced but the last two balls he got it covered. Super over is a tricky one and that is the reason i said India was lucky that New Zealand missed the run out chance of Rohit Sharma in the super over and hence they lost. If they lost one wicket then the complete equation changes.

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Quote from: ene1980 on January 30, 2020, 10:42:24 PM

There are reports that India might give opportunity to the players who are waiting in the bench and if that happens who will be sitting out as Kohli and Rohit Sharma are the most experienced players and the rest are fairly new to the international matches and you cannot change those players claiming to give opportunity to other players and shatter their confidence.

They are not changing Rohit or Kohli but instead Shami and Jadeja/Chahal will be replaced so their focus is to shuffle the bowlers with Saini and Yadav. I don't mind this change but Bumrah's performance hasn't been that great and wanted atleast Jadeja to stay as a bowler with the team.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 30, 2020, 10:32:37 PM

@Vishnu.Reang I would not be surprised if India played the same playing 11, as it gives them a chance to win the series 4 - 0 and then try and whitewash New Zealand by 5 - 0. However with the T20 World Cup coming up it’ll make sense to give other fringe players some valuable experience, and in particular I hope Pant gets to play and reclaim his spot back in the team.

There are reports that India might give opportunity to the players who are waiting in the bench and if that happens who will be sitting out as Kohli and Rohit Sharma are the most experienced players and the rest are fairly new to the international matches and you cannot change those players claiming to give opportunity to other players and shatter their confidence.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 30, 2020, 05:52:33 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 30, 2020, 01:27:10 PM

Now the Indian management has no reason to keep players such as Sanju Samson on the bench. India has already won the series, with 2 matches remaining. At least now, they should rest some of their star players and give one or two matches to the youngsters. The argument that "winning combination should never be changed" makes no sense here.

I agree with your thoughts, I am sure new players will be now tested as the series has been won by the Indian team. There is no reason to keep these players on the bench. Untill they test them they will neve know who will be ready in case of an emergency.

@Vishnu.Reang I would not be surprised if India played the same playing 11, as it gives them a chance to win the series 4 - 0 and then try and whitewash New Zealand by 5 - 0. However with the T20 World Cup coming up it’ll make sense to give other fringe players some valuable experience, and in particular I hope Pant gets to play and reclaim his spot back in the team.

Source: https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/india-in-new-zealand-2020-4th-t20i-focus-on-sanju-samson-rishabh-pant-as-ind-look-to-experiment/346462

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 30, 2020, 01:27:10 PM

Now the Indian management has no reason to keep players such as Sanju Samson on the bench. India has already won the series, with 2 matches remaining. At least now, they should rest some of their star players and give one or two matches to the youngsters. The argument that "winning combination should never be changed" makes no sense here.

I agree with your thoughts, I am sure new players will be now tested as the series has been won by the Indian team. There is no reason to keep these players on the bench. Untill they test them they will neve know who will be ready in case of an emergency.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 30, 2020, 01:27:10 PM

Now the Indian management has no reason to keep players such as Sanju Samson on the bench. India has already won the series, with 2 matches remaining. At least now, they should rest some of their star players and give one or two matches to the youngsters. The argument that "winning combination should never be changed" makes no sense here.

Kohli already mentioned in the post match interview that players like Saini and Sundar will be given chances in the upcoming matches.

Quote from: eaLiTy on January 30, 2020, 02:31:16 PM

Tim Southee bowled well till the last 2 balls in the super over situation and if the wicket keeper would have collected the ball cleanly in the first ball Rohit Sharma would be run out.

Tim Southee is one of the worst bowlers I have seen over time in Cricket over the years. Honestly, I knew New Zealand were in trouble ever since Williamson decided to give him the ball. The dude leaks runs simple as that.

Quote from: eaLiTy on January 30, 2020, 02:31:16 PM

Other than Rohit Sharma i do not see anyone in the Indian team right now who is capable of clearing the boundaries like he did in a situation like this.

You do realize that Shreyas performed a similar act in the previous T-20, don't you? India has many such capable batsmen if you think about it.

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Quote from: Avirunes on January 30, 2020, 12:10:42 PM

I wouldn't blame Southee much. He was clearly trying to do the Yorkers but it wasn't too good and Rohit made most of it.

Tim Southee bowled well till the last 2 balls in the super over situation and if the wicket keeper would have collected the ball cleanly in the first ball Rohit Sharma would be run out.

Quote from: Avirunes on January 30, 2020, 12:10:42 PM

Yeah almost forgot that. If it would have fallen into keepers hand properly then it would have been out. Also I am glad that the strike came to the right man for the last two balls.

Other than Rohit Sharma i do not see anyone in the Indian team right now who is capable of clearing the boundaries like he did in a situation like this.

Quote from: Avirunes on January 30, 2020, 12:10:42 PM

Talk about bad-luck of NZ with superovers : they had lost 2 out of 3 super over events within 1 year. One out of which costed them the WC.

Presence of mind in crucial situation, they could have easily won the match as they just needed 1 run to win from the last ball and instead of taking a single from a well set batsman he tried to score a boundary and dragged the ball to the stumps and the run out opportunity in the super over, if they miss chances like that then they keep struggling like that Wink

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