How it could work Taxless society:
Tax works for us if spent wisely by the government. We try to pay tax the lowest possible amount legally that's why we keep receipts of everything we think that can reduce our tax. Now if it will be a taxless society and a minimum tax will be taken from an annual basis that government has no control since its Crypto, what will happen to government projects, infrastructure? It will take more time for it to finish because of funding. 
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back to 2002. I was in Dubai, that was the golden time there. I was working in a company situated at Jebel Free Zone and we literally pay no taxes at all.
you have to pay once per year a licence fee for company registration and that's all.
but those times are over, now Dubai also have VAT and other taxes. that means that without taxes a government can't survive
you have to pay once per year a licence fee for company registration and that's all.
but those times are over, now Dubai also have VAT and other taxes. that means that without taxes a government can't survive
It is not quite right to say that the state cannot survive without taxes. A country can survive without tax as long as natural resources can sustain the lives of its people and if the level of dependence on other countries is small. Dubai applies taxes after oil prices fall which causes income to decrease, taxes are applied to overcome the budget deficit because the state subsidizes so that its people enjoy cheap oil. So the application of tax in Dubai is not the only way to overcome the deficit and once the tax application policy was revoked to encourage investment into Dubai.
Diversification of income through taxes is not necessarily effective in every country. With taxes, the state can maintain its independence. Rich or poor countries still need taxes to encourage development and equitable distribution of welfare. Besides that, as I explained before, taxes are loaded with state interests and are used as instruments.
Our society has been developing for a very long time and not one of them could exist for a long time without fees for common needs, called tax. The idea of a tax-free society is unrealistic. This has long been proven by the history of human development. Society must build roads, pay doctors, teachers and other people who do not produce wealth for their work, maintain their army and much more. Without this, there will be chaos; such a society will easily be swallowed up by a stronger organization in terms of allocating funds for general expenses.
tax will be very useful for the justice of a country against its people. with taxes the weak economic community can feel the development of a country, so hopefully they can also develop in their respective fields, so this is inevitable to achieve tax exemption. because a country's biggest financing is in the taxes we pay 
1) But aren't humans social beings?.... But society can do pretty well on its own since quite a few had existed long before both governments and taxes came about
2) Indeed, it is valid to ask that we may in fact need a form of government at a certain point in the development of human civilization, but given that we didn't have such a need before (in prehistorical times), there is no plausible reason to think that we will always need it in the future (along with taxes)
3) It is not the taxes themselves which are at the root of the evil but rather how they are collected and spent that people disagree with
2) Indeed, it is valid to ask that we may in fact need a form of government at a certain point in the development of human civilization, but given that we didn't have such a need before (in prehistorical times), there is no plausible reason to think that we will always need it in the future (along with taxes)
3) It is not the taxes themselves which are at the root of the evil but rather how they are collected and spent that people disagree with
1) I might've mixed up things, what I meant to say is that the country as a whole. But isn't it given that a society is being led by someone(?), thus making it a government(?)
Actually, you could say that
And call it a proto-government, leadership, or whatever. But it naturally (as opposed to being forced) comes about only when there is a need for that, i.e. when a certain society becomes too big and complex, making solving issues directly by the consensus prohibitively expensive in terms of effort and time. Thus, they are solved by a group of selected individuals ("government") who are delegated such authority by the consensus. I don't consider the case when this authority is taken by force as we have assumed that it should be natural ("self-inflicted"), not imposed
2) So you're saying that in the future, government and tax will not matter in the future(?) How so? Are we talking about Post-Apocalypse here?
No, I definitely didn't mean the Mad Max scenario
What I meant could be loosely construed as a government-less society, technically, a form of anarchy (but without the lawlessness of the latter). This is mostly a theoretical construct still. No government means no taxes, i.e. what counts as taxes now could then be just a regular price for a service just like any other service out there
1) But aren't humans social beings?.... But society can do pretty well on its own since quite a few had existed long before both governments and taxes came about
2) Indeed, it is valid to ask that we may in fact need a form of government at a certain point in the development of human civilization, but given that we didn't have such a need before (in prehistorical times), there is no plausible reason to think that we will always need it in the future (along with taxes)
3) It is not the taxes themselves which are at the root of the evil but rather how they are collected and spent that people disagree with
2) Indeed, it is valid to ask that we may in fact need a form of government at a certain point in the development of human civilization, but given that we didn't have such a need before (in prehistorical times), there is no plausible reason to think that we will always need it in the future (along with taxes)
3) It is not the taxes themselves which are at the root of the evil but rather how they are collected and spent that people disagree with
1) I might've mixed up things, what I meant to say is that the country as a whole. But isn't it given that a society is being led by someone(?), thus making it a government(?)
2) So you're saying that in the future, government and tax will not matter in the future(?) How so? Are we talking about Post-Apocalypse here?
OR you're just saying that there's gonna be a system that surpasses government and tax and that everyone isn't at neither advantage nor disadvantage?
3) Agreed, and the government doesn't have any plans on being transparent either.
Our society has been developing for a very long time and not one of them could exist for a long time without fees for common needs, called tax. The idea of a tax-free society is unrealistic. This has long been proven by the history of human development. Society must build roads, pay doctors, teachers and other people who do not produce wealth for their work, maintain their army and much more. Without this, there will be chaos; such a society will easily be swallowed up by a stronger organization in terms of allocating funds for general expenses.
If you'll try to replace taxes with printing money (which is effectively a tax on owning money), you'll just destroy your economy, because no one would want to own money and the inflation would be much higher than what would you expect from simple calculations. Taxes can be very complex, there are tons of rules that can increase, decrease or even remove taxes for certain situation, meanwhile printing money just affects everyone the same, so this idea is much worse than taxes.
Printing money specially for community purpose and specially for real business is taxless situation not "tax on owning money".
Why would no one want that money if it is a separate part that finances common interest and real business (money created at the time of need)?
Printing money for just community purpose will be no different from the current system where people are just looking at how to avoid or pay less taxes in different ways, which again that earnings from taxes does not end up 100% for the purposes it should go.
The inflation would be the same and value of money would remain the same with the same monetary policy, only the way of financing common interest will changes and the real business sector gets true freedom.
Inflation could be controlled mathematically with issuing and with coin burning.
Printing money is indeed for the community purpose, depending on how much the economy needs, but, we can't print money whenever we feel to do it, it will just increase the inflation rate, believe it or not.
I think that taxless society can be possible with just more transparency and with more math.
Sad to say this but the world economy can't survive without taxes, taxes are the oxygen of the society, without it, we won't have any building structures like cell sites, companies, shopping malls, public transportation, roads, hospitals, you could see it all in the public places, without all of that, we are like living on the stone age because of our greediness about money. Taxes have its own purpose, we just have to understand what is it really for so we won't look like an idiot.
How it could work Taxless society:
Tax works for us if spent wisely by the government. We try to pay tax the lowest possible amount legally that's why we keep receipts of everything we think that can reduce our tax. Now if it will be a taxless society and a minimum tax will be taken from an annual basis that government has no control since its Crypto, what will happen to government projects, infrastructure? It will take more time for it to finish because of funding. Why people hate tax too much? If you do live on a corrupt country then this one might be a valid reason but if not and if we do saw that our country does progress then
it shouldnt really be an issue.These funds are crucial on countries development it will just depend on how those officials would use it on a proper way.
back to 2002. I was in Dubai, that was the golden time there. I was working in a company situated at Jebel Free Zone and we literally pay no taxes at all.
you have to pay once per year a licence fee for company registration and that's all.
but those times are over, now Dubai also have VAT and other taxes. that means that without taxes a government can't survive
you have to pay once per year a licence fee for company registration and that's all.
but those times are over, now Dubai also have VAT and other taxes. that means that without taxes a government can't survive
What have to pay taxless but using for other way by government, many country have trouble with Taxless society where taxless money using for not all of people, many person who working in government excatly on taxless using is for their self. Make many people low trusted for paying taxless in some country.
I've always had this idea of a ying-yang system where ying is a deflationary money strictly limited in amount that cannot be counterfeit, shielded from falsification and easy to settle value with and that's Bitcoin. Then you could have the yang, which are inflationary bank notes based upon this reserve asset. Those could be the second layers of Bitcoin, and banks would compete with each other to deliver the best rates. Hal Finney had this idea back in 2009.
As far as taxes goes, as far as there is a government, there will be a need for taxes. Corruption is the problem, but with a system like Bitcoin + second layers for credit, it would be way more morally correct than the hyperinflation unsustainable insanity. Blockchain also allows to know where your tax money goes. Im all about helping the less fortunate through taxes, I just hate being ripped off.
As far as taxes goes, as far as there is a government, there will be a need for taxes. Corruption is the problem, but with a system like Bitcoin + second layers for credit, it would be way more morally correct than the hyperinflation unsustainable insanity. Blockchain also allows to know where your tax money goes. Im all about helping the less fortunate through taxes, I just hate being ripped off.
How it could work Taxless society:
Tax works for us if spent wisely by the government. We try to pay tax the lowest possible amount legally that's why we keep receipts of everything we think that can reduce our tax. Now if it will be a taxless society and a minimum tax will be taken from an annual basis that government has no control since its Crypto, what will happen to government projects, infrastructure? It will take more time for it to finish because of funding. As annoying as it may be to admit it, the idea of a society without taxes is a contradiction in terms: a society has by definition common parts, which interest everyone, and which must be maintained with the cooperation of all citizens.
With or without bitcoins.
A certain level of taxation is needed since there are some services that the government needs to provide for the benefit of everyone, the problem comes from the fact that governments begin to abuse the power given to them by the people and begin to charge more taxes so they can become bigger, this creates dependency on the government and they know it but they encourage it since this makes easier to charge even more taxes with the excuse of taxing the rich but eventually a breaking point is reached and the money they get through taxes goes down and that is the first indication of a deep problem for that particular government as they do not know how to function with less money available to them. With or without bitcoins.
For normal citizens, this probably portrays, angel's singing in the background just because they've heard "taxless society". But what about those people who are knowledgeable about how tax really works. And how it saved/developed/enriched mankind from ever-growing. If you compare it to a human being, tax is like "oxygen/food/water", it's the catalysts that lets you live. Imagine tax hasn't been implemented since then? What do you think our society would be like? or does even a society will ever exist
But aren't humans social beings?
Doesn't it mean that human society can exist with neither government sticking around nor taxes being levied? In my opinion, this is a pretty solid assumption with the conclusion being that it is impossible for the government (the state) to exist without taxes. But society can do pretty well on its own since quite a few had existed long before both governments and taxes came about
Indeed, it is valid to ask that we may in fact need a form of government at a certain point in the development of human civilization, but given that we didn't have such a need before (in prehistorical times), there is no plausible reason to think that we will always need it in the future (along with taxes)
I'm sure you're having thoughts on the negative part of taxes, but hey, the good part about it is essential to mankind now and removing/replacing it will lead to crisis, not only an economic crisis but as a whole
It is not the taxes themselves which are at the root of the evil but rather how they are collected and spent that people disagree with
A community without taxes and applied in the country I can not. Taxes are revenue for the government so that taxes cannot be removed. Earnings from Bitcoin indeed in my country have not been exposed to government taxes. But if later the government can legalize Bitcoin, I think the income from Bitcoin will be taxable.
Life if there is no tax like dreaming and living without tax it can only be done in a rich country. Because everybody has a life assurance from the government.
Life if there is no tax like dreaming and living without tax it can only be done in a rich country. Because everybody has a life assurance from the government.
I believe this is known as a market economy (a economy where the government doesn't exist, so there are no regulations, taxs, etc).
It would never work. The government is still very important to us, helps with education, public transport, and even though they do over-regulate sometimes, and are sometimes corrupt, they are usually great for us.
It would never work. The government is still very important to us, helps with education, public transport, and even though they do over-regulate sometimes, and are sometimes corrupt, they are usually great for us.
taxless society , I think its a bit unfair in crypto world there is no such thing as tax, if you can see every transactions you made in crypto there is a fee, as you can see if there is no fee's being paid
there will be no miners , same with bank and other institutions they need this to run the network without it there will be no existence of crypto,
there will be no miners , same with bank and other institutions they need this to run the network without it there will be no existence of crypto,
For normal citizens, this probably portrays, angel's singing in the background just because they've heard "taxless society". But what about those people who are knowledgeable about how tax really works. And how it saved/developed/enriched mankind from ever-growing. If you compare it to a human being, tax is like "oxygen/food/water", it's the catalysts that lets you live. Imagine tax hasn't been implemented since then? What do you think our society would be like? or does even a society will ever exist.
I'm sure you're having thoughts on the negative part of taxes, but hey, the good part about it is essential to mankind now and removing/replacing it will lead to crisis, not only an economic crisis but as a whole.
I'm sure you're having thoughts on the negative part of taxes, but hey, the good part about it is essential to mankind now and removing/replacing it will lead to crisis, not only an economic crisis but as a whole.
I have idea for discussion.
How it could work Taxless society:
Independent world deflationary money for storing value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in combination with inflationary digital money from central banks valid only limited time to directly spend (buying goods and services) or you can change to deflationary money (store of value).
With transparent view of circulating supply on blockchain for each country (inflation based on growing population, number of new pensions... in last year or some other time period).
Community interests (healthcare, roads, pensions...) can be financed directly from the part of that emission with limited valid time inflationary money on annual base.
The salary received in inflationary digital money from the moment of receipt must be spent or exchanged for some store of value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in 1 year or will be automaticly exchanged for some independent world "store of value" (bitcoin, litecoin...) upon expiration of time (just example).
After expiration inflatory money would not be worth (will be "burned").
What do you think is this can be done to work?
From our country which is Philippines, there are some good and very well services at the public establishment and government but there are also a lot has a poor and low quality services like hospitals, healthcare, transportation and many more. If we do the taxless society, how about the maintenance of the public? How about now will maintain the good of education in public schools? if all of them runs with the taxes. How it could work Taxless society:
Independent world deflationary money for storing value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in combination with inflationary digital money from central banks valid only limited time to directly spend (buying goods and services) or you can change to deflationary money (store of value).
With transparent view of circulating supply on blockchain for each country (inflation based on growing population, number of new pensions... in last year or some other time period).
Community interests (healthcare, roads, pensions...) can be financed directly from the part of that emission with limited valid time inflationary money on annual base.
The salary received in inflationary digital money from the moment of receipt must be spent or exchanged for some store of value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in 1 year or will be automaticly exchanged for some independent world "store of value" (bitcoin, litecoin...) upon expiration of time (just example).
After expiration inflatory money would not be worth (will be "burned").
What do you think is this can be done to work?
I have idea for discussion.
How it could work Taxless society:
Independent world deflationary money for storing value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in combination with inflationary digital money from central banks valid only limited time to directly spend (buying goods and services) or you can change to deflationary money (store of value).
With transparent view of circulating supply on blockchain for each country (inflation based on growing population, number of new pensions... in last year or some other time period).
Community interests (healthcare, roads, pensions...) can be financed directly from the part of that emission with limited valid time inflationary money on annual base.
The salary received in inflationary digital money from the moment of receipt must be spent or exchanged for some store of value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in 1 year or will be automaticly exchanged for some independent world "store of value" (bitcoin, litecoin...) upon expiration of time (just example).
After expiration inflatory money would not be worth (will be "burned").
What do you think is this can be done to work?
How it could work Taxless society:
Independent world deflationary money for storing value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in combination with inflationary digital money from central banks valid only limited time to directly spend (buying goods and services) or you can change to deflationary money (store of value).
With transparent view of circulating supply on blockchain for each country (inflation based on growing population, number of new pensions... in last year or some other time period).
Community interests (healthcare, roads, pensions...) can be financed directly from the part of that emission with limited valid time inflationary money on annual base.
The salary received in inflationary digital money from the moment of receipt must be spent or exchanged for some store of value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in 1 year or will be automaticly exchanged for some independent world "store of value" (bitcoin, litecoin...) upon expiration of time (just example).
After expiration inflatory money would not be worth (will be "burned").
What do you think is this can be done to work?
This was hard actually. Tax has benefits to the people and to the whole country. Maybe it will not be worth it if there is corruption in the government but all in all tax are made for a purpose. To sustain the country's expenses and serve as an allowance for healthcare, education, transportation etc. Also, I dont think there are countries that are living without taxpayer's money. Can you state some countries?
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