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If we extricate tax from the society, that means we are trying to severe the bond between government or governance and the people. The tax is a means that governance work because generation of revenue come partly from taxing which entities the people to some rights when the government is not keeping to promise made to the people.
Karl Marx didn't suggested a taxless society in the form of communism. He suggested a country with no tax but no income and no money, everything you do is just pure your job and everyone lived in the same life style. That is not exactly "taxless", I will give you that it has no tax in it which is correct but taxless and communism is not the same thing, hell it could be considered 100% taxed instead of whatever tax you pay right now, you get paid nothing for doing your job but you pay for nothing neither.
It can't sustain right now, maybe 2000 years ago it would have been a great idea but right now the simple questions like "what if everyone wants a lambo" type of situations will still exists hence we can't have that. Karl Marx version was good for his time, not today.
It can't sustain right now, maybe 2000 years ago it would have been a great idea but right now the simple questions like "what if everyone wants a lambo" type of situations will still exists hence we can't have that. Karl Marx version was good for his time, not today.
Exactly. It was proved that you can't build a functional society solely on Marxism, but , at the same time, you can't completely discard the the idea. Modern capitalist societies take Marx's ideas into account when setting a minimum wage for workers, for example, and in many other fields.
Applying Marx's ideas to this topic, we can say that although a taxless society is impossible nowadays, it would be good if people with low income had to pay little to no taxes.
I think this is the great idea. If anyone pay income tax the. This is the responsibility of government don't pay any tax to that guy like food, on shopping etc. In India this is a huge problem..
Yes, but they have oil. Which is what? The number 1 selling commodity in this world.
Hell, they could even increase the price and people will still buy it.
There have been a lot of option as an alternative for oil but no one supports it in wide invesments. Looks like they are being stopped by big oil companies.
Same with tobacco companies against the vaping industry.
They keep on pinning down those who are health friendly just so their money keeps on coming in.
Back to taxes, not all country have that kind of specialty and still it would rely on the government.
In fact, the world oil price tends to decrease every year, and to several countries agreed to reduce crude oil production to curb falling prices.it is not easy to raise world oil prices because it is not only determined by one main actor, many interests, the coalition and conspiration on this oil business. Middle Eastern countries have a high degree of dependence on other countries, while some countries have begun to reduce their dependence on oil import.
FYI, in 2019, The world's biggest oil-producing country is America, not the Middle Eastern country as previously. (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production)
This circumstances, make they began to consider the application of taxes as an alternative to increase revenue and reduce the deficit.
Taxless is almost impossible, why? as I explained previously .. Taxes not only policy to increase income. Taxes are a tool to achieve goals by stakeholders.
Yes it could work.
But who will do it?
You said taxless society right? So will there be a government to govern without money coming in?
They are leaning to that money and that is why a government is working because of tax. If there will be none then I suggest making another form of government.
But I tell you now, it will be ruthless and lawless. It will just be fear which will roam around.
When you think of a new way to live in this world then you should also think about other people.
Let us stay with cashless before we even go to taxless.
But who will do it?
You said taxless society right? So will there be a government to govern without money coming in?
They are leaning to that money and that is why a government is working because of tax. If there will be none then I suggest making another form of government.
But I tell you now, it will be ruthless and lawless. It will just be fear which will roam around.
When you think of a new way to live in this world then you should also think about other people.
Let us stay with cashless before we even go to taxless.
Previously the countries in the Middle East were countries that were tax-free. This tax-free policy is the implication of the ideology that taxation is oppression and prohibited by religion. In addition, the majority of Middle Eastern countries are rich in their abundant natural oil resources until the country always subsidizes its people with cheap fuel oil. Crude oil exports contribute more than 80% of the country's income.
This is the background of Middle Eastern countries do not need to collect taxes until world oil prices are down. Now they applying taxes for some sector although the amount is small compared to other countries. In my opinion, the application of taxes is not only aimed at increasing state revenue, but also a lot of strategic interests.
Yes, but they have oil. Which is what? The number 1 selling commodity in this world.
Hell, they could even increase the price and people will still buy it.
There have been a lot of option as an alternative for oil but no one supports it in wide invesments. Looks like they are being stopped by big oil companies.
Same with tobacco companies against the vaping industry.
They keep on pinning down those who are health friendly just so their money keeps on coming in.
Back to taxes, not all country have that kind of specialty and still it would rely on the government.
This proposal is too complex for the ordinary person to have patience for. Tax is very important and taxation has been with humans since ancient days. Revenues obtained are used to undertake many developmental projects in the society. I stand to be corrected though but I don't know if there is any country in the world where taxation is not in place.
Yes it could work.
But who will do it?
You said taxless society right? So will there be a government to govern without money coming in?
They are leaning to that money and that is why a government is working because of tax. If there will be none then I suggest making another form of government.
But I tell you now, it will be ruthless and lawless. It will just be fear which will roam around.
When you think of a new way to live in this world then you should also think about other people.
Let us stay with cashless before we even go to taxless.
But who will do it?
You said taxless society right? So will there be a government to govern without money coming in?
They are leaning to that money and that is why a government is working because of tax. If there will be none then I suggest making another form of government.
But I tell you now, it will be ruthless and lawless. It will just be fear which will roam around.
When you think of a new way to live in this world then you should also think about other people.
Let us stay with cashless before we even go to taxless.
Previously the countries in the Middle East were countries that were tax-free. This tax-free policy is the implication of the ideology that taxation is oppression and prohibited by religion. In addition, the majority of Middle Eastern countries are rich in their abundant natural oil resources until the country always subsidizes its people with cheap fuel oil. Crude oil exports contribute more than 80% of the country's income.
This is the background of Middle Eastern countries do not need to collect taxes until world oil prices are down. Now they applying taxes for some sector although the amount is small compared to other countries. In my opinion, the application of taxes is not only aimed at increasing state revenue, but also a lot of strategic interests.
Taxless society? A hard part for a certain economy to grow yet we know that its part of the progress where a certain country can step up in terms or industries,infrastructure and other sectors with the help of these funds.This is also possible with centralized funds though but wont really be that effective
rather than on having a tax generation from into its citizens.Too hard to think of when you do exclude out this kind of system if we do talk about progression of such country.
rather than on having a tax generation from into its citizens.Too hard to think of when you do exclude out this kind of system if we do talk about progression of such country.
This idea is quite ridiculous. without a tax-free society, people would have no incentive to grow further and the government could not do much with the meager balance of inflation and the part of that emission.
This is unreasonable, this is a mechanism that depends heavily on the people. If the people do not have good consciousness and their business is ineffective, then the whole country must be greatly affected and without adjustment.
Of course, the government will not get more income to run their programs for the welfare of its people. Even large countries like the United States have worst penalties for people who do not pay taxes, it proves that taxes are very important for the functioning of government systems around the worldThis is unreasonable, this is a mechanism that depends heavily on the people. If the people do not have good consciousness and their business is ineffective, then the whole country must be greatly affected and without adjustment.
Fine, but do we need governments in the same form? Maybe they could be reduced to 1% of its current size? Don't you think that the number of MPs in most countries is ridiculously high? Personally I'm against any welfare system and high taxation. Governments have land they can rent out and sell, natural resources for trade, their own factories that produce product for export, they make you pay duty and handle energy production for large parts of the country. Every time you get some paperwork done or documents issued you pay for it and that's how governments make money. They certainly don't need to tax your income to exist.
Karl Marx didn't suggested a taxless society in the form of communism. He suggested a country with no tax but no income and no money, everything you do is just pure your job and everyone lived in the same life style. That is not exactly "taxless", I will give you that it has no tax in it which is correct but taxless and communism is not the same thing, hell it could be considered 100% taxed instead of whatever tax you pay right now, you get paid nothing for doing your job but you pay for nothing neither.
It can't sustain right now, maybe 2000 years ago it would have been a great idea but right now the simple questions like "what if everyone wants a lambo" type of situations will still exists hence we can't have that. Karl Marx version was good for his time, not today.
It can't sustain right now, maybe 2000 years ago it would have been a great idea but right now the simple questions like "what if everyone wants a lambo" type of situations will still exists hence we can't have that. Karl Marx version was good for his time, not today.
This idea is quite ridiculous. without a tax-free society, people would have no incentive to grow further and the government could not do much with the meager balance of inflation and the part of that emission.
This is unreasonable, this is a mechanism that depends heavily on the people. If the people do not have good consciousness and their business is ineffective, then the whole country must be greatly affected and without adjustment.
This is unreasonable, this is a mechanism that depends heavily on the people. If the people do not have good consciousness and their business is ineffective, then the whole country must be greatly affected and without adjustment.
Sounds like a good idea but do you think that economist does not know this? The idea looks nice but have you ever thought of the effect of it on the society? And have you ever seen the effect of printing of too much money before and even if you suggest it gets burned, but in a lawless society, do you think they will be able to follow that rule strictly. I think the taxing system is better of that what you have here brother.
We can only try to fight for a reduced tax on the society but not to fight against its policy, tax is also what is used to bring law also you know. Look at the use of electricity, the tax they pay on that would make anyone no to waste power, so that has also help to put order aside the development of the country you earlier mentioned.
We can only try to fight for a reduced tax on the society but not to fight against its policy, tax is also what is used to bring law also you know. Look at the use of electricity, the tax they pay on that would make anyone no to waste power, so that has also help to put order aside the development of the country you earlier mentioned.
To fulfill its functions, the state needs financial resources, which it receives through taxes. Therefore, the state cannot do without taxes. Economic management, defense, court, customs, law enforcement, free medical care, and education - this is not a complete list of those areas of the country's budget expenditures for which taxes must be collected.
Thus, since the advent of the state, taxes have become a necessary part of economic relations.
I am unable to understand how will the government run if they are unable to collect taxes from the people. There is no revenue generation for the government and the only thing which comes to them is the taxes which they collect from the people and then spent it on the people.
The only exception to this that if they do not deduct any taxes and therefore they will not provide any facilities like medical benefits, education facilities and everything will have to be borne by the citizens.
I don't think that taxless society is a good idea, because people used to live like this in the past, thousands of years ago, and then they invented taxes, probably in Ancient Egypt, and this made them much more powerful than their taxless neighbors.
Thousands years later, Karl Marx suggested a taxless society in a form of Communism. And, indeed, in socialist economies governments don't need taxes because they own almost all forms of enterprises, and that's where their income comes from. But it hasn't worked, and in the confrontation between Eastern and Western blocs, countries with big taxes have won the Cold War.
Thousands years later, Karl Marx suggested a taxless society in a form of Communism. And, indeed, in socialist economies governments don't need taxes because they own almost all forms of enterprises, and that's where their income comes from. But it hasn't worked, and in the confrontation between Eastern and Western blocs, countries with big taxes have won the Cold War.
Printing money specially for community purpose and specially for real business is taxless situation not "tax on owning money".
Why would no one want that money if it is a separate part that finances common interest and real business (money created at the time of need)?
Printing money for just community purpose will be no different from the current system where people are just looking at how to avoid or pay less taxes in different ways, which again that earnings from taxes does not end up 100% for the purposes it should go.
The inflation would be the same and value of money would remain the same with the same monetary policy, only the way of financing common interest will changes and the real business sector gets true freedom.
Inflation could be controlled mathematically with issuing and with coin burning.
I think that taxless society can be possible with just more transparency and with more math.
Inflation wouldn't be the same, it would be much much higher, because you'd have to print much more money then now. And this whole system would be unfair, because everyone would be hit equally - both the poor and the rich will lose money. Currently someone who is unemployed and doesn't have an income is not paying many taxes, but in your world they'd have to deal with huge inflation, which is really hard for poor people, as they live from one payment to another.
Yes it could work.
But who will do it?
You said taxless society right? So will there be a government to govern without money coming in?
They are leaning to that money and that is why a government is working because of tax. If there will be none then I suggest making another form of government.
But I tell you now, it will be ruthless and lawless. It will just be fear which will roam around.
When you think of a new way to live in this world then you should also think about other people.
Let us stay with cashless before we even go to taxless.
But who will do it?
You said taxless society right? So will there be a government to govern without money coming in?
They are leaning to that money and that is why a government is working because of tax. If there will be none then I suggest making another form of government.
But I tell you now, it will be ruthless and lawless. It will just be fear which will roam around.
When you think of a new way to live in this world then you should also think about other people.
Let us stay with cashless before we even go to taxless.
Sounds like a good idea but do you think that economist does not know this? The idea looks nice but have you ever thought of the effect of it on the society? And have you ever seen the effect of printing of too much money before and even if you suggest it gets burned, but in a lawless society, do you think they will be able to follow that rule strictly. I think the taxing system is better of that what you have here brother.
We can only try to fight for a reduced tax on the society but not to fight against its policy, tax is also what is used to bring law also you know. Look at the use of electricity, the tax they pay on that would make anyone no to waste power, so that has also help to put order aside the development of the country you earlier mentioned.
We can only try to fight for a reduced tax on the society but not to fight against its policy, tax is also what is used to bring law also you know. Look at the use of electricity, the tax they pay on that would make anyone no to waste power, so that has also help to put order aside the development of the country you earlier mentioned.
To fulfill its functions, the state needs financial resources, which it receives through taxes. Therefore, the state cannot do without taxes. Economic management, defense, court, customs, law enforcement, free medical care, and education - this is not a complete list of those areas of the country's budget expenditures for which taxes must be collected.
Thus, since the advent of the state, taxes have become a necessary part of economic relations.
Government can print money but the more they print money ...the more their own currency will suffer , you should understand that it never goes like this the fact that taxes are not 100% of your salary means we can more or so pay them , if we are earning this much , we will be the ones suffering if our Currency went down .. all the stocks , the banks will have a hard time.
This is not how it would go.
This is not how it would go.
As this Minsky guy said, everyone can create money
But apart from everyone else, the central authority (otherwise known as government) can also force their money into acceptance by the local populace. That technically means they have a sufficient leeway in how much they can print and that basically answers your question. The government can fund their expenditures by simple money-printing (it is called an inflation tax, for the inquiring minds). Indeed, there are limits to this effort but any government at some point had been doing exactly that in the past, and there is no reason to believe that they won't in the future. Such is life and then they start the printing press
Govt currency acceptance is easily done. People need to pay a lot of money to govt, so, it has acceptance. People are forced to accept it. However, there's some exception as well. Look at Zimbabwe. Because of the inflation, govt decide to introduce new currency which also face the same. They weren't accepted by the people.But apart from everyone else, the central authority (otherwise known as government) can also force their money into acceptance by the local populace. That technically means they have a sufficient leeway in how much they can print and that basically answers your question. The government can fund their expenditures by simple money-printing (it is called an inflation tax, for the inquiring minds). Indeed, there are limits to this effort but any government at some point had been doing exactly that in the past, and there is no reason to believe that they won't in the future. Such is life and then they start the printing press
Govt can't print money if they need to fund expenditure. Money printing can affect the economy widely. For ex, if govt print more money than M0 (I'm not certain what's the denomination), economy will face a significant inflation.
But what or who can stop them?
Yes, excessive money printing will cause inflation to soar but its burden is not on the government but on the ordinary people. Actually, this is what all governments do when they face things like an all-out war. They start financing their expenses through money printing as this is a sort of last-ditch recourse. The Zimbabwean government just lost touch with reality. Most other governments know better and use the inflation tax wisely as it is pretty much like the law of diminishing returns until the returns turns into real problems
The concept of taxation has been around since day one. It is a way for the government to actually exercise the income distribution concept. It is one the best ways to make lives easier and good as a result of the provision of health facilities and free education. Sweden is one of the most tax collecting countries and its life standard is super excellent.
That idea of having tax less society is really insane to me, it wild have been easier if we ourselves knows our let from right, but we live in a world where we have so many lawless people who does not know the right thing to do except they force them to do it, how would we be able to coordinate our self out of contribution to fix our environment.In my vicinity, ordinary contribution to fix something that we use together to make our environment better becomes a problem to people around you, if not because of government and taxes, many beautiful cities and many things we enjoy today would not have been possible.
Government needs the tax for our own benefits and we know it, I understand that we have some countries that has so many useless leaders that all they do with their tax money is to siphon it and use it for their personal consumption in creating luxuries for themselves, rather than making the lives of their citizens better and i know some countries like that in Africa which I would not mentioned for peace purpose.
Taxless society can only be appreciated through cryptocurrency, because it's decentralized and financially independent.
You maje your point but everything which is used as a medium exchange of value ought to be taxable and if we want cryptocurrency to be the mainstream of payment there's nothing bad in paying tax since some government gradually support Bitcoin.right . i heard somewhere that there are now countries that are now taxing cryptos this is good because tax are helpful to one's economy but this does not mean that cryptos are being promoted or will now become a mainstream payment gateway . taxless society is i think not really possible at all but its possible for some people to not pay for thier tax especially if they are really poor , thats what i understand about how taxing works .
It is impossible to develop a country without tax, it is the blood of the country, as my teacher said in our taxation subject. Some of them might be corrupted by the government but most of them usually go to the country's need, infrastractures, programs, etc. Despite saying all of that, I don't support bitcoin being taxed since the reason I use it is because it is decentralized.
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