Topic: Teachers deserve more - page 7. (Read 1673 times)

Going to a University today basically means you are subsidizing radical indoctrination of students, and are taking on tens of thousands of dollars of debt (at least in the US) for the privilege of doing so.

As you note that almost anyone can attend University, there are many University degrees that are worthless, or even less than worthless, such as gender studies.

In reference to your concerns about standardized tests, ideally, these tests would measure how well a student can apply what they were supposed to have learned. For example, instead of reciting facts, the student would need to apply concepts they learned to determine the answer to a question.

Dont you know that those information's you acquire in your high school days are the one that is leading you now for exceeding grace, what is concern is the foundations, if the foundation is clear and well arranged you go higher, don't regret that you wasted your time going high school, do you want to tell me those teachers there is wasting the energy and time to impact knowledge to you free

Without some body to tell you teachers is the key of the world but their paying them less payment why people that is in government is receiving the highest salary, teachers teacher doctors, lawyers, engineers, nurse's politicians but yet they are fail to recognize as engine block of the nation, this people called teachers is important and they suppose live more comfortable than any one because of their work

I agree with you. Teachers have an important role to play in our life. They take their time to lecture and build us to become useful in life. I remember how my secondary school teacher usually takes good care for us back then in school like we were his children. He did not only taught us education, but also explained to us how to overcome challenges in life. Without teaches, there will be no future.They probably deserve more. I mean more respect and more money.

It's interesting to learn about the difference between countries, thanks. Although I do still think there's a critical difference between being educated for the purpose of learning useful facts and skills, and being educated for the purpose of passing exams.

It is certainly a a good idea to try to measure the performance of teachers relative to all other teachers, and the easiest way to measure this is through exam scores, so I understand why the approach is used, I just think it's somewhat counterproductive in that you're not measuring their ability to teach the kids so much as their ability to train them. But I'm not sure how you'd obtain quantitative data to determine teacher ranking other than this way, so I don't know what the alternative is.

I'd also argue that - again, specifically in my country - teaching at university is all wrong. A generation ago it was free for students to attend, they just needed high enough exam scores to meet the entry requirements, and at university they were taught for the purpose of learning. Nowadays that's all changed, there are now huge fees involved, kids have to pay a lot of money to attend university, the number of university places open has increased dramatically, so now practically anyone can attend, regardless of exam scores, so long as they're willing to either stump up the cash or else get saddled with debt. And because such high fees are involved, it's not really about learning for the sake of learning, it's primarily a transaction, paying cash for qualifications.

For me I still acknowledge good work of teachers, they are playing  a lot of role in the society by bringing young people up. Just imagine a society without teachers.parents can't make all a child wants to be. Student get civilization from the school and teachers are responsible for it.

It is not like that in the US. Teacher unions wield an enormous amount of power, and the teachers are specifically not held accountable.

Teachers were somewhat held responsible via 'no child left behind' under W Bush, and teachers were graded using results of students' standardized tests. Unfortunately Bush did not bust the teachers unions, as he should have.

In some instances, students may not retain the information, but rather learn how to pass the standardized test. Although I believe standardized tests are generally a good indication of a student's education.

You know, teachers are called the artisans of nation-building, right? teaching is their great vow.

You know, a teacher not only imparts formal education to his students but also imparts knowledge and moral education to them as well as awakens a sense of humanity in them. He developed them as worthy citizens of the country, but teachers are not getting their due status despite playing such a big role, many of them are currently neglected, So they suffer from inferiority complex, even if they want to, they can't do many campaigns on their own initiative. Therefore, it is necessary to take initiative to establish the worthy status of teachers.

I totally agree on this, teachers do.... Yes and yes.
Real Characters or the basics of life for children starts at home, should I just say learning starts at home,but then all of this are mostly not carried out,when children are sent to the school, teachers do all possible to shape attitude,put smilies on their faces,shape bad attitude to good ones.
Parents feel teachers are overrated, over hyped,but then they fail to do a whole that the teachers has infused in there kid's.
Parents are busy chasing passion, money, Wealth, but then their kids spends hours with teachers.
I think they deserve the best, schools should do everything possible to get quality teachers, not the ones taking the occupation to acquire the cash.

Whereas teachers who are employed by private companies would of course be utterly impartial, and motivated to provide the best education possible, rather than being motivated to maximise profit by supplying the minimum possible level of education they can legally get away with to meet contractual requirements. 

Some professions fit well with the private sector. Teaching isn't one of them.

Definitely! I agree with you. Teachers are the future of this world

I'll grant you that teachers are important, but putting them under the employment of the government has gradually transformed them into babysitters and propagandists.

When a human is born. his mind is like a blackboard. The teacher draws some white lines on it. These white lines give light to his mind and aware him of himself, the world and that is in the world. These are the teacher who shows him the right path and aware him about science and technology.

The teacher is the benefactor of the nation. They make the mind of their students. They form the nation. A nation cannot pay for his services. If there will be a good teacher. There will be a good nation and the morale of the whole nation will high. They are kingmakers. The whole world pays homage to the teacher.

Definitely, teachers have an impact knowledge and without them training is not possible without teachers.

We were taught how to respect our teachers no matter what subject they are teaching to us. because those people are truly working hard just to pass their skills and knowledge to us. If you really wanted to give them what they deserve, you also need to teach some people about the things your teacher teaches you and credit everything to them. Until now we still keep in touch with our teachers and still ask them some questions related to the subject they taught us before. That's how close we are and sometimes invited us to unwind and reminiscence some event from the past.

This probably differs by country. In the UK, everything is results-driven. A teacher whose students don't score well in exams drags his/her school down the league table. This will be very visible to those running the school.

The question about students being unable to grasp what they need to know is to an extent a separate issue, and I do agree with you. The issue in my country is that students aren't educated, they're simply trained to pass exams - a very different thing.

But yes, if you pay teachers more without changing the criterion for success, it simply results in teachers who are better able to train students to pass exams, you don't improve the education level.

Without a doubt the teachers should be fundamental in the training but it is not the whole.

You can not leave all the complex training of our children to individuals who in many cases do not even have a vocation, if not they are there as a means of income, I am not criticizing it, it happens in any area of ​​work, the vocation is magic, in that sense if we are lucky maybe in some of these training stages we will get a teacher who influences us for the rest of our lives.

I think that a complex society in which we live a good payment to teachers does not guarantee reciprocity in the teaching of our children, it is we as vigilantes who must look for the best options where those good teachers are.

In the long run, the best result is achieved in an economic solution from the macro and not punctual, that is, a beneficial economy and correct political management, surely it benefits everyone.

I disagree. Teachers are basically unaccountable for their performance, and this has resulted in teachers that basically teach nothing, and students are unable to grasp what the need to know.

For example, only ~26% of 12th graders are "proficient" or better at the level of math that they should be.

Further, spending more on teachers and schools does not necessarily lead to better student outcomes. As an example, charter schools consistently perform better than public schools, in some cases, even if the two schools are located in the same building, and this is despite charter schools not being able to have the same economy of scales that public schools have, and charter schools costing substantially less to run than public schools.

that saying is usually told to people when someone wants something but not willing to pay for it. so wants to reward them with best wishes after their death.

i think you will find that teachers would rather be paid in currency now, so they can live and be comfortable now, not paid in best wishes about how great their life will be after death.

i respect peoples religion. but trying to say dont worry about starving today.. its ok to die because i believe you will get a good life next time.. just does not present well as a moral message about humanity, about being respectful and peaceful and helpful.

im more aligned to religious people that want to help people in the now, in this life.

There is a popular saying that, the reward of a teacher is in heaven.
That is to say, the reward that is due for a teacher can not be paid with money or material things rather only the Almighty creator of humanity can reward a teacher. But on the contrary opinion on rating teachers next to God.