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Quote from: n0ne on October 09, 2022, 09:12:03 AM

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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 08, 2022, 12:49:03 PM

Djokovic is the heavy favorite and Tsitsipas reached the final after winning from behind after loosing the first set. I am expecting it to be a longer match up and Djokovic winning the final.

i don't think we will see Tsitsipas giving a hard time for Djokovic, Stefanos is a moody guy and he will probably fight a little bit in the first one and lose the 2nd easily, Djokovic to win 2-0 is a good bet in my opinion since him winning is as low as 1.3

Djokovic in recent days have won every match on the direct set. Only match in which he lost is against Felix Augur in direct sets after a hard fightback in the second set. Tsitsipas is in good position and the same could create big variation in the odds based on the first set win.

Well it was easy enough for Djokovic, Tsitsipas couldn't get the match to the third set,
final score 6-3, 6-4.

Such a pity Medvedev had to retire yesterday after pulling a muscle, He had the second set
and looked like he could beat Djokovic.

ATM there are only a handful of players able to beat Djokovic, he could be back into
the no.1 spot in no time at all.

Swiatek v krejcikova final starts now at Ostrava, should be a good match. I have a bet on
Swiatek @ 1.46 which is nice odds on the #1.

It is Medvedev who missed a close opportunity out of the injury. As said very few players were able to have fightback games with Djokovic. If Medvedev haven't got injured the semifinal would've been more interesting.

You've got lucky to have the nice odds on Iga Swiatek, because the game result is 90% confirmed before the start of the match.

Well it was a 3 set battle for this final and krejcikova proved that Iga is beatable. First
two sets were close enough, second set decided by tie break but the third was decisively
krejcikova's 6-3

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Quote from: n0ne on October 09, 2022, 09:12:03 AM

You've got lucky to have the nice odds on Iga Swiatek, because the game result is 90% confirmed before the start of the match.

Everyone could've had the same thought on the Final between Swiatek and Barbora. The odds were also in favour of Swiatek, all who had a prediction against the low odds could've enjoyed good profit with the win(Barbora 5-7 7⁷-6⁴ 6-3 Swiatek).Barbora have reached the World No.2 position during the February month and this month she reached second position on doubles. Anyhow this is a disappointment for most of the gamblers.

Yea dissapointing for Swiatek backers although I would say quite a few had Barbora backed too.

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Quote from: n0ne on October 09, 2022, 09:12:03 AM

You've got lucky to have the nice odds on Iga Swiatek, because the game result is 90% confirmed before the start of the match.

Everyone could've had the same thought on the Final between Swiatek and Barbora. The odds were also in favour of Swiatek, all who had a prediction against the low odds could've enjoyed good profit with the win(Barbora 5-7 7⁷-6⁴ 6-3 Swiatek).Barbora have reached the World No.2 position during the February month and this month she reached second position on doubles. Anyhow this is a disappointment for most of the gamblers.

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Đoković won it fairly easily - I admit I expected more from Tsitsipas. Their last few matches were really close, which wasn't the case today.

I tink this is Tsitsipas's 9th ATP series 500 final, and he's still waiting for his 1st trophy.
He's by far my biggest disappointment if we look at the currently active players.

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Quote from: aoluain on October 09, 2022, 07:35:58 AM

Quote from: n0ne on October 08, 2022, 08:02:19 PM

Quote from: Rabi3 on October 08, 2022, 06:28:25 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on October 08, 2022, 12:49:03 PM

Djokovic is the heavy favorite and Tsitsipas reached the final after winning from behind after loosing the first set. I am expecting it to be a longer match up and Djokovic winning the final.

i don't think we will see Tsitsipas giving a hard time for Djokovic, Stefanos is a moody guy and he will probably fight a little bit in the first one and lose the 2nd easily, Djokovic to win 2-0 is a good bet in my opinion since him winning is as low as 1.3

Djokovic in recent days have won every match on the direct set. Only match in which he lost is against Felix Augur in direct sets after a hard fightback in the second set. Tsitsipas is in good position and the same could create big variation in the odds based on the first set win.

Well it was easy enough for Djokovic, Tsitsipas couldn't get the match to the third set,
final score 6-3, 6-4.

Such a pity Medvedev had to retire yesterday after pulling a muscle, He had the second set
and looked like he could beat Djokovic.

ATM there are only a handful of players able to beat Djokovic, he could be back into
the no.1 spot in no time at all.

Swiatek v krejcikova final starts now at Ostrava, should be a good match. I have a bet on
Swiatek @ 1.46 which is nice odds on the #1.

It is Medvedev who missed a close opportunity out of the injury. As said very few players were able to have fightback games with Djokovic. If Medvedev haven't got injured the semifinal would've been more interesting.

You've got lucky to have the nice odds on Iga Swiatek, because the game result is 90% confirmed before the start of the match.

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Quote from: n0ne on October 08, 2022, 08:02:19 PM

Quote from: Rabi3 on October 08, 2022, 06:28:25 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on October 08, 2022, 12:49:03 PM

Djokovic is the heavy favorite and Tsitsipas reached the final after winning from behind after loosing the first set. I am expecting it to be a longer match up and Djokovic winning the final.

i don't think we will see Tsitsipas giving a hard time for Djokovic, Stefanos is a moody guy and he will probably fight a little bit in the first one and lose the 2nd easily, Djokovic to win 2-0 is a good bet in my opinion since him winning is as low as 1.3

Djokovic in recent days have won every match on the direct set. Only match in which he lost is against Felix Augur in direct sets after a hard fightback in the second set. Tsitsipas is in good position and the same could create big variation in the odds based on the first set win.

Well it was easy enough for Djokovic, Tsitsipas couldn't get the match to the third set,
final score 6-3, 6-4.

Such a pity Medvedev had to retire yesterday after pulling a muscle, He had the second set
and looked like he could beat Djokovic.

ATM there are only a handful of players able to beat Djokovic, he could be back into
the no.1 spot in no time at all.

Swiatek v krejcikova final starts now at Ostrava, should be a good match. I have a bet on
Swiatek @ 1.46 which is nice odds on the #1.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on October 08, 2022, 06:28:25 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on October 08, 2022, 12:49:03 PM

Djokovic is the heavy favorite and Tsitsipas reached the final after winning from behind after loosing the first set. I am expecting it to be a longer match up and Djokovic winning the final.

i don't think we will see Tsitsipas giving a hard time for Djokovic, Stefanos is a moody guy and he will probably fight a little bit in the first one and lose the 2nd easily, Djokovic to win 2-0 is a good bet in my opinion since him winning is as low as 1.3

Djokovic in recent days have won every match on the direct set. Only match in which he lost is against Felix Augur in direct sets after a hard fightback in the second set. Tsitsipas is in good position and the same could create big variation in the odds based on the first set win.

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Quote from: btc_angela on October 05, 2022, 04:44:39 PM

We will have to see if first, if this continue as a trend, then maybe something is wrong with him, whether injured or if this is just a mental slip.

those thing come with it, especially for a very young player like Alcaraz, we've seen the biggest and one of the best players go throw some bad times before, whether it was physical or mental, those things for me are okay to happen, he has to learn from them and the sooner they come the better, well, it also depends on how he's going to take them.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 08, 2022, 12:49:03 PM

Djokovic is the heavy favorite and Tsitsipas reached the final after winning from behind after loosing the first set. I am expecting it to be a longer match up and Djokovic winning the final.

i don't think we will see Tsitsipas giving a hard time for Djokovic, Stefanos is a moody guy and he will probably fight a little bit in the first one and lose the 2nd easily, Djokovic to win 2-0 is a good bet in my opinion since him winning is as low as 1.3

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Quote from: babygun on October 08, 2022, 11:46:44 AM

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you thought Djokovic to win probably
took him @1.57, match is at the beginning and three break balls for Medvedev in fifth game, will be interesting till the end, IMO

Medvedev just took fifth game and has a break in first set, but Djokovic is able to fight back, certainly

Djokovic won the second set in a tiebreak after which Medvedev retired due to an injury; sad ending as it was a good match! Final will be Tsitsipas vs Djokovic and for the bookies Djokovic is the big favorite to win the match with an odd of around 1.3.

Its a shame that we didn't get to see the third set it was a tight game, i hope medvedev will get back to playing soon the final seem promising even thought djokovic is a huge favourites, tsitsipas seem to be unable to beat novak in the last five games tsitsipas had a great performance in this competituon i think he can win a set against djokovic.

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Quote from: babygun on October 08, 2022, 11:46:44 AM

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Djokovic won the second set in a tiebreak after which Medvedev retired due to an injury; sad ending as it was a good match! Final will be Tsitsipas vs Djokovic and for the bookies Djokovic is the big favorite to win the match with an odd of around 1.3.

It was turning out to be a great match and i was under the impression that Medvedev will win the match and suddenly he called off the match after a hard fought second round and Djokovic was somehow able to win that and it was confusing as to what happened and i wish we would see the entire match rather than a walkover.

Djokovic is the heavy favorite and Tsitsipas reached the final after winning from behind after loosing the first set. I am expecting it to be a longer match up and Djokovic winning the final.

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Quote from: casperBGD on October 08, 2022, 07:56:15 AM

you thought Djokovic to win probably
took him @1.57, match is at the beginning and three break balls for Medvedev in fifth game, will be interesting till the end, IMO

Medvedev just took fifth game and has a break in first set, but Djokovic is able to fight back, certainly

Djokovic won the second set in a tiebreak after which Medvedev retired due to an injury; sad ending as it was a good match! Final will be Tsitsipas vs Djokovic and for the bookies Djokovic is the big favorite to win the match with an odd of around 1.3.

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Quote from: Trofo on October 06, 2022, 02:44:35 PM

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In this case, I have to agree with you. Because he is only a kid, he might feel a lot of pressure to prove he is actually worthy of being number one. The pressure can often lead a man to make mistakes that he normally wouldn't have made. Some people are very quick to compare a young player with some of the legends of this generation when it comes to evaluating young players.
It is true that he is one of the leading players in the world right now and the number one grant player in the world right now. But that does not mean he is already at the level of Rafael Nadal or Rodger Federer. At the same time, it is also true that being the best in the world does come with some consequences, and being compared to the best is just one of them.

I think Alcaraz is doing everything right at the moment. He has great game, he is quite strong mentally and he seems down to earth. I am not worried for him one bit, he will be one of the greats if not no.1 in the years to come.

His only fault is that he is going too much for his strokes, he needs to learn how to finish points without hitting the lines sometimes. He believes in himself maybe a bit too much, and needs to add a bit of safety margin to his points. He will learn that will time and then he will lower unforced errors count and become even tougher to beat.

Alcaraz has to be doing everything right, because he is number one in the world right now, right? The losses he is experiencing are not much to be concerned about. He is still a kid and that's why it is a bit challenging for him to be consistent. Now that I think about it, 19 year old probably doesn't really have too much to worry about. But one thing I am very anxious about is his injuries. If he is even a bit injured he should get that checked right away. He has a long way to go in his career. Personally, I do not want to see a player with such high potential getting injured so early in his career.

And yes he is making some mistakes on the court. But with time he will learn and get better so as not to get ahead of himself.

Quote from: aoluain on October 07, 2022, 01:11:20 AM

Trofo makes a couple of interesting points above which I never considered and which
make sense. He needs to build a degree of margin into his shots, he backs himself too much.

I posted earlier eluding to the fact that at this stage in the season there could be a motivational
or focus issue, not a permanent one but a very temporary one. He has the talent, fitness and
mental attitude, we know this.
He has a super team around him so whatever needs improving will be taken care of.

For sure he is #1, will be a future #1 and will be in and out of that spot too, it's great being able
to catch this guy early and be able to make some Satoshis's with him.

I am not 100% certain that he is going to be number one. He is number one right now but you will have to be consistent. Otherwise, there is a lot of competition. But right now it does feel like he is going to be the next “greatest player of this generation” type of player. He will have to iron out some mistakes. And when he gets older, he will be better equipped to perform because he will have acquired more experience.

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Quote from: aoluain on October 08, 2022, 03:31:43 AM

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Medvedev is favourite to beat Medvedev. That will be
a treat to watch.

you thought Djokovic to win probably
took him @1.57, match is at the beginning and three break balls for Medvedev in fifth game, will be interesting till the end, IMO

Medvedev just took fifth game and has a break in first set, but Djokovic is able to fight back, certainly

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Anyone checking in on the Astana Kazakhstan tournament?

We have 2 cracking semi finals to look forward to, Rublev v Tsitsipas and Djokovic v Medvedev.

The first is quite even IMO and Medvedev is favourite to beat Medvedev. That will be
a treat to watch.

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Quote from: Trofo on October 06, 2022, 02:44:35 PM

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 04, 2022, 08:46:05 PM

Yes, but top seed tends to perform better and not to get upset, but this is the second time that Alcaraz have been eliminated like this.
First, is when we become the number 1 seed, the first game he played he lost.
And now this time, but I have to check though, maybe he is injured or something or just lost (again) his mental focus. if this will be frequent though then most likely he will not stop as number 1 for a long time like the big 3 before him.

Alcaraz is just a kid but even at this young age, he is already on top of the world. So sometimes it is understandable if he becomes a touch overconfident. And it is also understandable if he lost his focus because he achieved so much in such a short time.
It does not appear that he has any problems or injuries. But he should be thoroughly checked. But in my opinion, it was just a lapse in concentration. Maybe he cannot cope with the pressure of being at the top and maintaining his position. I think we should cut him some slack because he is just a young kid. He will learn how to handle pressure and how to approach future matches when he is older.

I would tend to agree but you have to look at how he achieved and become the world's number 1.
There are also a lot of pressure in his shoulder, but he seems to beat the odds and achieved his goal. So he is mentally focus because if he is not then he will be the likes of other who is making a good run until they stop improving like Tsitsipas. So he can't be this kind of reasoning, overconfident? nah, he can't do that, lost focus? I doubt that. Again the pressure is already in his shoulders way before, as he is being compared ot Nadal like 6-8 months ago, so he can handle pressures like coming back from 2 sets down in a 5 setter and win the game. This is just very uncharacteristic of him, just saying.

In this case, I have to agree with you. Because he is only a kid, he might feel a lot of pressure to prove he is actually worthy of being number one. The pressure can often lead a man to make mistakes that he normally wouldn't have made. Some people are very quick to compare a young player with some of the legends of this generation when it comes to evaluating young players.

It is true that he is one of the leading players in the world right now and the number one grant player in the world right now. But that does not mean he is already at the level of Rafael Nadal or Rodger Federer. At the same time, it is also true that being the best in the world does come with some consequences, and being compared to the best is just one of them.

I think Alcaraz is doing everything right at the moment. He has great game, he is quite strong mentally and he seems down to earth. I am not worried for him one bit, he will be one of the greats if not no.1 in the years to come.

His only fault is that he is going too much for his strokes, he needs to learn how to finish points without hitting the lines sometimes. He believes in himself maybe a bit too much, and needs to add a bit of safety margin to his points. He will learn that will time and then he will lower unforced errors count and become even tougher to beat.

Absolutely right, but it doesn't look like he is really that far behind the big three guys when they were his age.It remains to be seen if he also constantly wins gran slam titles, but losing a game every now and then happens to everyone. It's not like Federer, Djokovic or Nadal went home in the second or third round because on a crazy bad day for them and a crazy good day for a no name opponent, things can go wrong.

Now Goffin also isn't a bad player per se. He is a fighter and he has had games in the past against the best of the best where he delivered astonishing fights. And by the way, I just checked and Goffin has won against the top three of all times. His stats against Nadal are 2:5, so it is not a shame to give away a game against him.

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Live right now Tsitsipas against Hurcacz at Astana Open. Odds are pratically the same for both players with the greek player slightly favorite @1.90. It would be anyway an interesting match even if It Is really hard make a prediction for the final winner...

Edit : match over and the greek player win. He will face Rublev in semi-final!

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We will have to see if first, if this continue as a trend, then maybe something is wrong with him, whether injured or if this is just a mental slip.

Nevertheless, the future of Alcaraz has been set up already, he become the top seed in just short amount of time. And for sure his coach and his family are behind him 100 percent if he losses just one game at a time. I haven't check the next calendar tournament because it will be good to see him entered and how he will fare on that. So we shouldn't be bothered by his lost, what's important is how he can bounce back next tournament.

Ok, for now we should give him some slack as he is very young and you know, few mental lapses here and there so I get the point.

And yes, he is very young, and even if he is the current number 1 seed, maybe there are a lot of loopholes that he need to improved so we can give it to him as well. But we also want him to be that consistent and just not that kid that get the top seed and then loses it right away, or just like in the case of Medvedev.

I believe that even though he is the current number one in the world, he still has a lot to improve on. And he will also have to learn how to handle pressure. At first, I thought he was the wonder kid who is going to play really fearlessly. After becoming number one, he is not able to maintain consistency in his performance. This could be mental pressure, loss of focus, mental breakdown, or maybe even an injury.

Right now I don't think overconfidence is the issue. Because if overconfidence was the issue, it would have been reflected in his play style. As of right now, nothing is certain, but I hope he will be able to perform better in his next match. He has a promising career ahead of him.

Trofo makes a couple of interesting points above which I never considered and which
make sense. He needs to build a degree of margin into his shots, he backs himself too much.

I posted earlier eluding to the fact that at this stage in the season there could be a motivational
or focus issue, not a permanent one but a very temporary one. He has the talent, fitness and
mental attitude, we know this.

He has a super team around him so whatever needs improving will be taken care of.

For sure he is #1, will be a future #1 and will be in and out of that spot too, it's great being able
to catch this guy early and be able to make some Satoshis's with him.

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We will have to see if first, if this continue as a trend, then maybe something is wrong with him, whether injured or if this is just a mental slip.

Nevertheless, the future of Alcaraz has been set up already, he become the top seed in just short amount of time. And for sure his coach and his family are behind him 100 percent if he losses just one game at a time. I haven't check the next calendar tournament because it will be good to see him entered and how he will fare on that. So we shouldn't be bothered by his lost, what's important is how he can bounce back next tournament.

Ok, for now we should give him some slack as he is very young and you know, few mental lapses here and there so I get the point.

And yes, he is very young, and even if he is the current number 1 seed, maybe there are a lot of loopholes that he need to improved so we can give it to him as well. But we also want him to be that consistent and just not that kid that get the top seed and then loses it right away, or just like in the case of Medvedev.

I believe that even though he is the current number one in the world, he still has a lot to improve on. And he will also have to learn how to handle pressure. At first, I thought he was the wonder kid who is going to play really fearlessly. After becoming number one, he is not able to maintain consistency in his performance. This could be mental pressure, loss of focus, mental breakdown, or maybe even an injury.

Right now I don't think overconfidence is the issue. Because if overconfidence was the issue, it would have been reflected in his play style. As of right now, nothing is certain, but I hope he will be able to perform better in his next match. He has a promising career ahead of him.

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Perhaps the tennis world expects a bit too much from Alcaraz at the moment. Some have (rightly) stated that it is just a child, and in fact it is. There is a lot of pressure on him and he now starts every tournament as a favorite. He didn't seem to be able to handle that well this week. Sure, he's a better player than Goffin, but every human being suffers from pressure at certain times in the sports world. I think this was incidental and he'll just be there the next tournament. I'm also curious how long he can keep the number 1 position in the world. I am looking forward to the Djokovic - Alcaraz match which will undoubtedly take place soon.

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Yes, but top seed tends to perform better and not to get upset, but this is the second time that Alcaraz have been eliminated like this.
First, is when we become the number 1 seed, the first game he played he lost.
And now this time, but I have to check though, maybe he is injured or something or just lost (again) his mental focus. if this will be frequent though then most likely he will not stop as number 1 for a long time like the big 3 before him.

Alcaraz is just a kid but even at this young age, he is already on top of the world. So sometimes it is understandable if he becomes a touch overconfident. And it is also understandable if he lost his focus because he achieved so much in such a short time.
It does not appear that he has any problems or injuries. But he should be thoroughly checked. But in my opinion, it was just a lapse in concentration. Maybe he cannot cope with the pressure of being at the top and maintaining his position. I think we should cut him some slack because he is just a young kid. He will learn how to handle pressure and how to approach future matches when he is older.

I would tend to agree but you have to look at how he achieved and become the world's number 1.
There are also a lot of pressure in his shoulder, but he seems to beat the odds and achieved his goal. So he is mentally focus because if he is not then he will be the likes of other who is making a good run until they stop improving like Tsitsipas. So he can't be this kind of reasoning, overconfident? nah, he can't do that, lost focus? I doubt that. Again the pressure is already in his shoulders way before, as he is being compared ot Nadal like 6-8 months ago, so he can handle pressures like coming back from 2 sets down in a 5 setter and win the game. This is just very uncharacteristic of him, just saying.

In this case, I have to agree with you. Because he is only a kid, he might feel a lot of pressure to prove he is actually worthy of being number one. The pressure can often lead a man to make mistakes that he normally wouldn't have made. Some people are very quick to compare a young player with some of the legends of this generation when it comes to evaluating young players.

It is true that he is one of the leading players in the world right now and the number one grant player in the world right now. But that does not mean he is already at the level of Rafael Nadal or Rodger Federer. At the same time, it is also true that being the best in the world does come with some consequences, and being compared to the best is just one of them.

I think Alcaraz is doing everything right at the moment. He has great game, he is quite strong mentally and he seems down to earth. I am not worried for him one bit, he will be one of the greats if not no.1 in the years to come.

His only fault is that he is going too much for his strokes, he needs to learn how to finish points without hitting the lines sometimes. He believes in himself maybe a bit too much, and needs to add a bit of safety margin to his points. He will learn that will time and then he will lower unforced errors count and become even tougher to beat.

Yes, great point, I thought that I'm the only one who see that, but we can see he somewhat going to much per stroke that's why he misses a point that he can easily converted.

And so as he mature, maybe he will have the time to correct itself and that will be dangerous specially when he hits his prime because he will be the perfect tennis player in the mold of lets say Djokovic.

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