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October 01, 2022, 01:08:55 AM
Sofia atp competition champion is slowly showing up we will have an exciting semi final tomorrow between sinner and  Rune this will be a real challenge for sinner in this competition Rune has been a really tough opponent this last year and he is slowly gaining experience beating him will be difficult for sinner i expect a three set game tomorrow.

early in the season Rune was making a name for himself but later he went off the boil and
Now seems to be very competitive reaching the semi final.
Obviously most people favour Sinner
But I have taken Rune on handicap and Sinner to win. Yea It could be close but I hope for Sinner
To go to the final after a close match.

The other Semi is Musetti v Huesler, I don't know anything about that player at all and the odds
are closer in that match than Sinner v Rune.
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September 30, 2022, 06:50:32 PM

Mens tennis is currently much better and we can see the future there,so many good young players even with Alcaraz above everyone currently someone will show up. While women tennis dosent look promising at all . Swiatek looks currently like she will dominated for years to come with no actual competition

Swiatek is currently the best on the women side but I don't think she will be able to dominate the field in a similar way that like Serena Williams did. There are some young and upcoming players (i.e. Raducanu) and on the women side always a lot more surprises happen in grandslams than on the men side.
I don't think so too, especially in women's tennis, it's somehow really hard for one or two players to maintain the spot on top of the leader board and dominate most tournaments they participate in, Serena Williams was an exception, I doubt Swiatek can do as good as Serena.
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September 30, 2022, 05:15:43 PM
Sofia atp competition champion is slowly showing up we will have an exciting semi final tomorrow between sinner and  Rune this will be a real challenge for sinner in this competition Rune has been a really tough opponent this last year and he is slowly gaining experience beating him will be difficult for sinner i expect a three set game tomorrow.
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September 30, 2022, 05:11:38 PM

Mens tennis is currently much better and we can see the future there,so many good young players even with Alcaraz above everyone currently someone will show up. While women tennis dosent look promising at all . Swiatek looks currently like she will dominated for years to come with no actual competition

Swiatek is currently the best on the women side but I don't think she will be able to dominate the field in a similar way that like Serena Williams did. There are some young and upcoming players (i.e. Raducanu) and on the women side always a lot more surprises happen in grandslams than on the men side.
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September 30, 2022, 04:47:53 PM


Of course, we appreciate women too, Serena and Venus Williams had a great battle with Swiss Miss Martina Hingis and then Maria Sharapova. Those are the times that the women side can rival the mens are far as intensity and the number of fans watching their battle in the court.

Steffi Graf and Monica Seles, who would forget the stabbing incident on her?

And along the line there are a lot of women like Lindsay Davenport, Justin Henin, Kim Clijsters, Jennifer Capriati and Mary Pierce.
Those were the days - my dad was so fond of Steffi Graf. He had a silent crush on her.
He never missed any of her match - during those days we used to have a big fat TV - but we all used to sit in front of that TV and watch together - now everyone has TV in the rooms - life have become so different

Yeah, I think most of us have seen Graf played against the other greats like Monica Seles, they really have a great competition back then. And who wouldn't have a crush on Graf during here prime?

Anyhow, those are the memories, we are all glued together in the screen watching this ladies and mens as well and we are mesmerized on how they really good. Now it's Swiatek that will have to carry it and some other ladies like Jabeur, but we will have to see and she can rise to the ranks and challenge Iga.

yes I also remember Graf, Seles, Navratilova and Hingis!

We watch less women's tennis because the competition is poorer, there isn't anyone to challenge
Iga in the Grand Slams and as Trofo says, if her motivation is lacking or if she is on a less favourable
surface maybe she is beatable on the day. I wonder if the men's side will turn into something similar
after Nadal or Djokivic retire with potentially Alcatraz as the single dominant player, who knows?

Mens tennis is currently much better and we can see the future there,so many good young players even with Alcaraz above everyone currently someone will show up. While women tennis dosent look promising at all . Swiatek looks currently like she will dominated for years to come with no actual competition
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September 30, 2022, 07:27:21 AM


Of course, we appreciate women too, Serena and Venus Williams had a great battle with Swiss Miss Martina Hingis and then Maria Sharapova. Those are the times that the women side can rival the mens are far as intensity and the number of fans watching their battle in the court.

Steffi Graf and Monica Seles, who would forget the stabbing incident on her?

And along the line there are a lot of women like Lindsay Davenport, Justin Henin, Kim Clijsters, Jennifer Capriati and Mary Pierce.
Those were the days - my dad was so fond of Steffi Graf. He had a silent crush on her.
He never missed any of her match - during those days we used to have a big fat TV - but we all used to sit in front of that TV and watch together - now everyone has TV in the rooms - life have become so different

Yeah, I think most of us have seen Graf played against the other greats like Monica Seles, they really have a great competition back then. And who wouldn't have a crush on Graf during here prime?

Anyhow, those are the memories, we are all glued together in the screen watching this ladies and mens as well and we are mesmerized on how they really good. Now it's Swiatek that will have to carry it and some other ladies like Jabeur, but we will have to see and she can rise to the ranks and challenge Iga.

yes I also remember Graf, Seles, Navratilova and Hingis!

We watch less women's tennis because the competition is poorer, there isn't anyone to challenge
Iga in the Grand Slams and as Trofo says, if her motivation is lacking or if she is on a less favourable
surface maybe she is beatable on the day. I wonder if the men's side will turn into something similar
after Nadal or Djokivic retire with potentially Alcatraz as the single dominant player, who knows?
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September 29, 2022, 08:51:49 PM


Of course, we appreciate women too, Serena and Venus Williams had a great battle with Swiss Miss Martina Hingis and then Maria Sharapova. Those are the times that the women side can rival the mens are far as intensity and the number of fans watching their battle in the court.

Steffi Graf and Monica Seles, who would forget the stabbing incident on her?

And along the line there are a lot of women like Lindsay Davenport, Justin Henin, Kim Clijsters, Jennifer Capriati and Mary Pierce.
Those were the days - my dad was so fond of Steffi Graf. He had a silent crush on her.
He never missed any of her match - during those days we used to have a big fat TV - but we all used to sit in front of that TV and watch together - now everyone has TV in the rooms - life have become so different

Yeah, I think most of us have seen Graf played against the other greats like Monica Seles, they really have a great competition back then. And who wouldn't have a crush on Graf during here prime?

Anyhow, those are the memories, we are all glued together in the screen watching this ladies and mens as well and we are mesmerized on how they really good. Now it's Swiatek that will have to carry it and some other ladies like Jabeur, but we will have to see and she can rise to the ranks and challenge Iga.
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September 29, 2022, 03:56:55 PM


Of course, we appreciate women too, Serena and Venus Williams had a great battle with Swiss Miss Martina Hingis and then Maria Sharapova. Those are the times that the women side can rival the mens are far as intensity and the number of fans watching their battle in the court.

Steffi Graf and Monica Seles, who would forget the stabbing incident on her?

And along the line there are a lot of women like Lindsay Davenport, Justin Henin, Kim Clijsters, Jennifer Capriati and Mary Pierce.
Those were the days - my dad was so fond of Steffi Graf. He had a silent crush on her.
He never missed any of her match - during those days we used to have a big fat TV - but we all used to sit in front of that TV and watch together - now everyone has TV in the rooms - life have become so different
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September 29, 2022, 03:23:15 PM
Maybe Jabeur can bridge the gap? and there is very little seperating the next 5 closest with 60% less
points than Swiatek.
Maybe but I sort of feel it is too late for her. She is already 28 years old and she doesn't really have much more room for improvement. Even if she manages to challenge Swiatek this season and next, then it will become an age problem.

Swiatek is just 21 years old and already better player then Jabeur by almost any metric. Don't see how this could turn into any real rivalry. And we need proper rivalry in WTA side between few top players that can last a decade. Swiatek only one so far for me, maybe Raducanu can become the other one, or maybe Coco Gauff. Those two youngsters have the game on their good days to challenge Swiatek but they are missing consistency. That is something that can be ironed out in the years to come.
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September 29, 2022, 03:16:35 PM

But if you look at the last 5 years, there's no single women who dominated the game such as those names. We have Osaka, but after her triumph in the grand slams, she lost traction already.

And last year we have Raducanu, same thing happen, changes coaches and now nowhere to be found in the top 5. But we could have Swiatek already, that might take the ladies division for then next coming years as I don't see anyone getting close to her at this point.
Yes, Iga Swiatek will surely be dominating the women's division. She is just 21 years of age and that too an advantage for her long career in tennis. Already won 3 grand slams, and in the past I've heard elder brothers of me saying today's match is going to be a win for Serena Williams just because she's is playing. Soon Iga Swiatek name will have such a saying.
What about Barty? She is the one to mention before Swiatek, she won almost everything she played and then retired from tennis. Raducanu was one tournament wonder which I said even then, you can find my post somewhere here. She will need much more work before she can keep her form for longer periods of time.

Swiatek is without real opposition at the moment. Yes she looses matches on lower level tournaments but I belive that is motivation thing since she takes Grand Slams without dropping sets in more than one match.

But I agree, nobody stayed on top long enough to really become legend.

Barty though retired so early, so we didn't see how good she will do against Swiatek.

But I do agree that Swiatek is the new face of womens tennis. Raducanu or even the other teenager she faces in the finals, Leylah Fernandez was one hit wonder. But it's really hard to reason why is the women side like this one? No one stayed on top like the previous era.

Barty v Swiatek could have turned into  what happened over the last 15 to 20 years on the mens side,
basically dominating the tour and sharing grand slams between them.

Maybe Jabeur can bridge the gap? and there is very little seperating the next 5 closest with 60% less
points than Swiatek.

I think the buzz around Raducanu has well and truly faded, unfortunately. She has a massive amount of
development to do, currently she is back down in #66 position, Raducanu at #38.



On Sonego at the Sofia Open in Bulgaria, he lost his match against Holgar Rune in 3 sets and Rune really
hasnt been lighting up the courts recently. Unfortunately I had a bet on Sonego how many thimes have
we seen this happen.
Anyway Sinner is through to the Quarter finals and is looking like the strongest
to take the title and is seeded #1 anyway.
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September 29, 2022, 01:08:59 PM

What about Barty? She is the one to mention before Swiatek, she won almost everything she played and then retired from tennis. Raducanu was one tournament wonder which I said even then, you can find my post somewhere here. She will need much more work before she can keep her form for longer periods of time.

Swiatek is without real opposition at the moment. Yes she looses matches on lower level tournaments but I belive that is motivation thing since she takes Grand Slams without dropping sets in more than one match.

But I agree, nobody stayed on top long enough to really become legend.

It is too bad that Barty retired as she was dominating the field in one point and could have won some more grandslams! I don't think Raducanu will be a one tournament wonder, she has a lot of work but is only 19 years old so she still has some time to grow. She just needs to stop switching from coach lol.
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September 29, 2022, 09:38:38 AM
Can we give a little appreciation to the woman players as well.
Maria and Sefty Graff
What an amazing woman they were too
Steffi Graf and Monica Seles, who would forget the stabbing incident on her?

Now I also know who is meant by Maria.  Wink
Unfortunately the career from Monica Seles was ended when somebody (1993) stabbed her in the back with a knife during a tournament. She was never herself again after that. The mental wounds were unfortunately too deep.

By the way, Steffi Graf was number 1 in the world rankings for 377 weeks.

Not to forget Martina Navratilova and Gabriela Sabatini at that time.

Nice fact: Seles and Navratilova are left-handed players.
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September 29, 2022, 05:35:16 AM

But if you look at the last 5 years, there's no single women who dominated the game such as those names. We have Osaka, but after her triumph in the grand slams, she lost traction already.

And last year we have Raducanu, same thing happen, changes coaches and now nowhere to be found in the top 5. But we could have Swiatek already, that might take the ladies division for then next coming years as I don't see anyone getting close to her at this point.
Yes, Iga Swiatek will surely be dominating the women's division. She is just 21 years of age and that too an advantage for her long career in tennis. Already won 3 grand slams, and in the past I've heard elder brothers of me saying today's match is going to be a win for Serena Williams just because she's is playing. Soon Iga Swiatek name will have such a saying.
What about Barty? She is the one to mention before Swiatek, she won almost everything she played and then retired from tennis. Raducanu was one tournament wonder which I said even then, you can find my post somewhere here. She will need much more work before she can keep her form for longer periods of time.

Swiatek is without real opposition at the moment. Yes she looses matches on lower level tournaments but I belive that is motivation thing since she takes Grand Slams without dropping sets in more than one match.

But I agree, nobody stayed on top long enough to really become legend.

Barty though retired so early, so we didn't see how good she will do against Swiatek.

But I do agree that Swiatek is the new face of womens tennis. Raducanu or even the other teenager she faces in the finals, Leylah Fernandez was one hit wonder. But it's really hard to reason why is the women side like this one? No one stayed on top like the previous era.
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September 29, 2022, 05:29:56 AM

But if you look at the last 5 years, there's no single women who dominated the game such as those names. We have Osaka, but after her triumph in the grand slams, she lost traction already.

And last year we have Raducanu, same thing happen, changes coaches and now nowhere to be found in the top 5. But we could have Swiatek already, that might take the ladies division for then next coming years as I don't see anyone getting close to her at this point.
Yes, Iga Swiatek will surely be dominating the women's division. She is just 21 years of age and that too an advantage for her long career in tennis. Already won 3 grand slams, and in the past I've heard elder brothers of me saying today's match is going to be a win for Serena Williams just because she's is playing. Soon Iga Swiatek name will have such a saying.
What about Barty? She is the one to mention before Swiatek, she won almost everything she played and then retired from tennis. Raducanu was one tournament wonder which I said even then, you can find my post somewhere here. She will need much more work before she can keep her form for longer periods of time.

Swiatek is without real opposition at the moment. Yes she looses matches on lower level tournaments but I belive that is motivation thing since she takes Grand Slams without dropping sets in more than one match.

But I agree, nobody stayed on top long enough to really become legend.
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September 29, 2022, 03:54:44 AM
Who do you think is the best number one of all time?

Pete Sampras, Jimmy Connors, Andy Murray, Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer, or Rafael Nadal? (maybe another one?)

Sampras still has the impressive record of being the number one player for 6 continuous years.
I wasn't so much into tennis in Sampras time so I don't really remeber any big rivalries for him other than Agassi and he had quite good H2H with him in the end.

Murray would have made so much more in any other time than this. I don't think tennis ever had something similar to level of performaces the big four produced before becoming the big three. Any one of them would have had it so much easier if competition wasn't that good. That is why it is so difficult to compere player from different eras.
Can we give a little appreciation to the woman players as well.
Maria and Sefty Graff
What an amazing woman they were too

Of course, we appreciate women too, Serena and Venus Williams had a great battle with Swiss Miss Martina Hingis and then Maria Sharapova. Those are the times that the women side can rival the mens are far as intensity and the number of fans watching their battle in the court.

Steffi Graf and Monica Seles, who would forget the stabbing incident on her?

And along the line there are a lot of women like Lindsay Davenport, Justin Henin, Kim Clijsters, Jennifer Capriati and Mary Pierce.

But if you look at the last 5 years, there's no single women who dominated the game such as those names. We have Osaka, but after her triumph in the grand slams, she lost traction already.

And last year we have Raducanu, same thing happen, changes coaches and now nowhere to be found in the top 5. But we could have Swiatek already, that might take the ladies division for then next coming years as I don't see anyone getting close to her at this point.

not very familiar with tennis players actually but one that i heard in the news was dominated by fellow Filipino Alex Eala. she still is 17, maybe we'll see her often on the news.

age often limits the career heights. i once invited to play this sport and this is for the agile athletes only. as a player, you'd have to run quickly, hit the ball and back again inside the court. what i can only appreciate is their sportwear. Smiley
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September 28, 2022, 09:38:40 PM

But if you look at the last 5 years, there's no single women who dominated the game such as those names. We have Osaka, but after her triumph in the grand slams, she lost traction already.

And last year we have Raducanu, same thing happen, changes coaches and now nowhere to be found in the top 5. But we could have Swiatek already, that might take the ladies division for then next coming years as I don't see anyone getting close to her at this point.
Yes, Iga Swiatek will surely be dominating the women's division. She is just 21 years of age and that too an advantage for her long career in tennis. Already won 3 grand slams, and in the past I've heard elder brothers of me saying today's match is going to be a win for Serena Williams just because she's is playing. Soon Iga Swiatek name will have such a saying.
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September 28, 2022, 08:54:01 PM
Who do you think is the best number one of all time?

Pete Sampras, Jimmy Connors, Andy Murray, Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer, or Rafael Nadal? (maybe another one?)

Sampras still has the impressive record of being the number one player for 6 continuous years.
I wasn't so much into tennis in Sampras time so I don't really remeber any big rivalries for him other than Agassi and he had quite good H2H with him in the end.

Murray would have made so much more in any other time than this. I don't think tennis ever had something similar to level of performaces the big four produced before becoming the big three. Any one of them would have had it so much easier if competition wasn't that good. That is why it is so difficult to compere player from different eras.
Can we give a little appreciation to the woman players as well.
Maria and Sefty Graff
What an amazing woman they were too

Of course, we appreciate women too, Serena and Venus Williams had a great battle with Swiss Miss Martina Hingis and then Maria Sharapova. Those are the times that the women side can rival the mens are far as intensity and the number of fans watching their battle in the court.

Steffi Graf and Monica Seles, who would forget the stabbing incident on her?

And along the line there are a lot of women like Lindsay Davenport, Justin Henin, Kim Clijsters, Jennifer Capriati and Mary Pierce.

But if you look at the last 5 years, there's no single women who dominated the game such as those names. We have Osaka, but after her triumph in the grand slams, she lost traction already.

And last year we have Raducanu, same thing happen, changes coaches and now nowhere to be found in the top 5. But we could have Swiatek already, that might take the ladies division for then next coming years as I don't see anyone getting close to her at this point.
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September 28, 2022, 04:56:14 PM

That is a question of definition. As aoluain already pointed out, it depends on what. The most titles, the most Grand Slams, the longest time at number 1 and so on. I find it difficult to give an answer to that. Every generation has its favourite player.

According to this list, Djokovic has been number 1 for the longest time.
https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=WeeksAtATPNo1
But it does not mean to me that he is my number one.

Boris Becker, for example, was number 1 for only 12 weeks, but he still left his mark on an entire generation. That is why he would be higher ranked in my personal list than, for example, Pete Sampras.

It is always a popular talk to determine the GOAT but as you say, how do you define it? For me, there is no doubt that Federer is the greatest of all time; his natural raw talent, his technique, overall game, ... are too me unmatched even if other people has won more titles or grand slams.

Its hard to disagree with you but how are you basing this? Talent has to show results which
would put many others ahead of him IMO.

Here is another - Player who spent the longest at #1. Navak Djokovic with 373 weeks.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ATP_number_1_ranked_singles_tennis_players



Anyone following the tournament at Sofia Bulgaria?
Sonego is in attendance, I wonder how he will fair out after his recent win?


With how Djokovic is playing if he overtakes Nadal in grandslams there will be no doubt that he is the best in history but no body is taking into advantage that djokovic was all of this years first in the world in the prime of nadal and federer and i think Djokovic is infront of them
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September 28, 2022, 04:16:28 PM
Who do you think is the best number one of all time?

Pete Sampras, Jimmy Connors, Andy Murray, Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer, or Rafael Nadal? (maybe another one?)

Sampras still has the impressive record of being the number one player for 6 continuous years.
I wasn't so much into tennis in Sampras time so I don't really remeber any big rivalries for him other than Agassi and he had quite good H2H with him in the end.

Murray would have made so much more in any other time than this. I don't think tennis ever had something similar to level of performaces the big four produced before becoming the big three. Any one of them would have had it so much easier if competition wasn't that good. That is why it is so difficult to compere player from different eras.
Can we give a little appreciation to the woman players as well.
Maria and Sefty Graff
What an amazing woman they were too

Of course, we appreciate women too, Serena and Venus Williams had a great battle with Swiss Miss Martina Hingis and then Maria Sharapova. Those are the times that the women side can rival the mens are far as intensity and the number of fans watching their battle in the court.

Steffi Graf and Monica Seles, who would forget the stabbing incident on her?

And along the line there are a lot of women like Lindsay Davenport, Justin Henin, Kim Clijsters, Jennifer Capriati and Mary Pierce.
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September 28, 2022, 02:48:54 PM
Who do you think is the best number one of all time?

Pete Sampras, Jimmy Connors, Andy Murray, Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer, or Rafael Nadal? (maybe another one?)

Sampras still has the impressive record of being the number one player for 6 continuous years.
I wasn't so much into tennis in Sampras time so I don't really remeber any big rivalries for him other than Agassi and he had quite good H2H with him in the end.

Murray would have made so much more in any other time than this. I don't think tennis ever had something similar to level of performaces the big four produced before becoming the big three. Any one of them would have had it so much easier if competition wasn't that good. That is why it is so difficult to compere player from different eras.
Can we give a little appreciation to the woman players as well.
Maria and Sefty Graff
What an amazing woman they were too
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