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Quote from: Kemarit on October 06, 2022, 04:00:52 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on October 05, 2022, 04:44:39 PM

We will have to see if first, if this continue as a trend, then maybe something is wrong with him, whether injured or if this is just a mental slip.

Nevertheless, the future of Alcaraz has been set up already, he become the top seed in just short amount of time. And for sure his coach and his family are behind him 100 percent if he losses just one game at a time. I haven't check the next calendar tournament because it will be good to see him entered and how he will fare on that. So we shouldn't be bothered by his lost, what's important is how he can bounce back next tournament.

Ok, for now we should give him some slack as he is very young and you know, few mental lapses here and there so I get the point.

And yes, he is very young, and even if he is the current number 1 seed, maybe there are a lot of loopholes that he need to improved so we can give it to him as well. But we also want him to be that consistent and just not that kid that get the top seed and then loses it right away, or just like in the case of Medvedev.

Yea I think the vast majority of Tennis fans believe Alcaraz is the real deal and a future
number 1 "on and off". We shouldn't expect him to win every game, set, match and
tournament he enters into, same with Swiatek.

I can imagine being a multi millionaire has its challenges like being able to stay focussed
outside grand slams and to be motivated to turn up and win bottom tier tournaments.

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Quote from: btc_angela on October 05, 2022, 04:44:39 PM

We will have to see if first, if this continue as a trend, then maybe something is wrong with him, whether injured or if this is just a mental slip.

Nevertheless, the future of Alcaraz has been set up already, he become the top seed in just short amount of time. And for sure his coach and his family are behind him 100 percent if he losses just one game at a time. I haven't check the next calendar tournament because it will be good to see him entered and how he will fare on that. So we shouldn't be bothered by his lost, what's important is how he can bounce back next tournament.

Ok, for now we should give him some slack as he is very young and you know, few mental lapses here and there so I get the point.

And yes, he is very young, and even if he is the current number 1 seed, maybe there are a lot of loopholes that he need to improved so we can give it to him as well. But we also want him to be that consistent and just not that kid that get the top seed and then loses it right away, or just like in the case of Medvedev.

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We will have to see if first, if this continue as a trend, then maybe something is wrong with him, whether injured or if this is just a mental slip.

Nevertheless, the future of Alcaraz has been set up already, he become the top seed in just short amount of time. And for sure his coach and his family are behind him 100 percent if he losses just one game at a time. I haven't check the next calendar tournament because it will be good to see him entered and how he will fare on that. So we shouldn't be bothered by his lost, what's important is how he can bounce back next tournament.

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Quote from: BALIK on October 05, 2022, 03:12:56 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on October 04, 2022, 08:46:05 PM

Quote from: romero121 on October 04, 2022, 05:26:16 PM

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Quote from: bct_ail on October 04, 2022, 02:06:25 PM

Oh. What happened there? Alcaraz was eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Kazakhstan. He lost against Belgian Goffin in 2 sets. His opponent in the final in the US Open, Ruud, was also eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Tokyo. He also lost in 2 sets.

Probably just a lapse of focus or concentration. It is a good win of Goffin but Alcaraz just was not good enough today. It is still 3 months to the next grand slam so there is nothing to worry about it. In these kind of tournaments you will always have some surprises in the early rounds.

More surprise have been happening with the players in all levels. Whether it is the top position player or someone at the bottom, it is possible to see unexpected outcomes. It looks like going against the odds would bring good profit. Even the betting platforms have predicted Alcaraz to be the winner having the lower odds.

Yes, but top seed tends to perform better and not to get upset, but this is the second time that Alcaraz have been eliminated like this.

First, is when we become the number 1 seed, the first game he played he lost.

And now this time, but I have to check though, maybe he is injured or something or just lost (again) his mental focus. if this will be frequent though then most likely he will not stop as number 1 for a long time like the big 3 before him.

Alcaraz is just a kid but even at this young age, he is already on top of the world. So sometimes it is understandable if he becomes a touch overconfident. And it is also understandable if he lost his focus because he achieved so much in such a short time.

It does not appear that he has any problems or injuries. But he should be thoroughly checked. But in my opinion, it was just a lapse in concentration. Maybe he cannot cope with the pressure of being at the top and maintaining his position. I think we should cut him some slack because he is just a young kid. He will learn how to handle pressure and how to approach future matches when he is older.

I would tend to agree but you have to look at how he achieved and become the world's number 1.

There are also a lot of pressure in his shoulder, but he seems to beat the odds and achieved his goal. So he is mentally focus because if he is not then he will be the likes of other who is making a good run until they stop improving like Tsitsipas. So he can't be this kind of reasoning, overconfident? nah, he can't do that, lost focus? I doubt that. Again the pressure is already in his shoulders way before, as he is being compared ot Nadal like 6-8 months ago, so he can handle pressures like coming back from 2 sets down in a 5 setter and win the game. This is just very uncharacteristic of him, just saying.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 04, 2022, 08:46:05 PM

Quote from: romero121 on October 04, 2022, 05:26:16 PM

Quote from: babygun on October 04, 2022, 05:14:07 PM

Quote from: bct_ail on October 04, 2022, 02:06:25 PM

Oh. What happened there? Alcaraz was eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Kazakhstan. He lost against Belgian Goffin in 2 sets. His opponent in the final in the US Open, Ruud, was also eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Tokyo. He also lost in 2 sets.

Probably just a lapse of focus or concentration. It is a good win of Goffin but Alcaraz just was not good enough today. It is still 3 months to the next grand slam so there is nothing to worry about it. In these kind of tournaments you will always have some surprises in the early rounds.

More surprise have been happening with the players in all levels. Whether it is the top position player or someone at the bottom, it is possible to see unexpected outcomes. It looks like going against the odds would bring good profit. Even the betting platforms have predicted Alcaraz to be the winner having the lower odds.

Yes, but top seed tends to perform better and not to get upset, but this is the second time that Alcaraz have been eliminated like this.

First, is when we become the number 1 seed, the first game he played he lost.

And now this time, but I have to check though, maybe he is injured or something or just lost (again) his mental focus. if this will be frequent though then most likely he will not stop as number 1 for a long time like the big 3 before him.

Alcaraz is just a kid but even at this young age, he is already on top of the world. So sometimes it is understandable if he becomes a touch overconfident. And it is also understandable if he lost his focus because he achieved so much in such a short time.

It does not appear that he has any problems or injuries. But he should be thoroughly checked. But in my opinion, it was just a lapse in concentration. Maybe he cannot cope with the pressure of being at the top and maintaining his position. I think we should cut him some slack because he is just a young kid. He will learn how to handle pressure and how to approach future matches when he is older.

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Quote from: romero121 on October 04, 2022, 05:26:16 PM

Quote from: babygun on October 04, 2022, 05:14:07 PM

Quote from: bct_ail on October 04, 2022, 02:06:25 PM

Oh. What happened there? Alcaraz was eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Kazakhstan. He lost against Belgian Goffin in 2 sets. His opponent in the final in the US Open, Ruud, was also eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Tokyo. He also lost in 2 sets.

Probably just a lapse of focus or concentration. It is a good win of Goffin but Alcaraz just was not good enough today. It is still 3 months to the next grand slam so there is nothing to worry about it. In these kind of tournaments you will always have some surprises in the early rounds.

More surprise have been happening with the players in all levels. Whether it is the top position player or someone at the bottom, it is possible to see unexpected outcomes. It looks like going against the odds would bring good profit. Even the betting platforms have predicted Alcaraz to be the winner having the lower odds.

Yes, but top seed tends to perform better and not to get upset, but this is the second time that Alcaraz have been eliminated like this.

First, is when we become the number 1 seed, the first game he played he lost.

And now this time, but I have to check though, maybe he is injured or something or just lost (again) his mental focus. if this will be frequent though then most likely he will not stop as number 1 for a long time like the big 3 before him.

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Quote from: babygun on October 04, 2022, 05:14:07 PM

Quote from: bct_ail on October 04, 2022, 02:06:25 PM

Oh. What happened there? Alcaraz was eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Kazakhstan. He lost against Belgian Goffin in 2 sets. His opponent in the final in the US Open, Ruud, was also eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Tokyo. He also lost in 2 sets.

Probably just a lapse of focus or concentration. It is a good win of Goffin but Alcaraz just was not good enough today. It is still 3 months to the next grand slam so there is nothing to worry about it. In these kind of tournaments you will always have some surprises in the early rounds.

More surprise have been happening with the players in all levels. Whether it is the top position player or someone at the bottom, it is possible to see unexpected outcomes. It looks like going against the odds would bring good profit. Even the betting platforms have predicted Alcaraz to be the winner having the lower odds.

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Quote from: bct_ail on October 04, 2022, 02:06:25 PM

Oh. What happened there? Alcaraz was eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Kazakhstan. He lost against Belgian Goffin in 2 sets. His opponent in the final in the US Open, Ruud, was also eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Tokyo. He also lost in 2 sets.

Probably just a lapse of focus or concentration. It is a good win of Goffin but Alcaraz just was not good enough today. It is still 3 months to the next grand slam so there is nothing to worry about it. In these kind of tournaments you will always have some surprises in the early rounds.

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Quote from: bct_ail on October 04, 2022, 02:06:25 PM

Oh. What happened there? Alcaraz was eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Kazakhstan. He lost against Belgian Goffin in 2 sets. His opponent in the final in the US Open, Ruud, was also eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Tokyo. He also lost in 2 sets.

I'm glad I wasn't following the tournament in Kazakhstan, I would have certainly made
a bet on Alcaraz and I had a bet on Ruud at the Tokyo tournament. Very disappointing
from those two.

Quote from: bitbollo on October 04, 2022, 04:04:19 PM

Bad news for Jannik Sinner. The Italian player has not played today against Otte, due an injury of his ankle. Probably he will not play on ATP next gen and for sure he will not available on Florence tournament.

Looks like he suffered a more serious injury at Sofia, maybe he is forcing it to
qualify for the top 8 competition later on, he is currently sitting on 405 points
behind #8th spot ?

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That was an unexpected defeat for Alcaraz against the Belgian Goffin. Yet this is not a normal player. He has fallen far in the world rankings, but he used to be a regular top 10 player and you can still see that in certain matches. Alcaraz will be disappointed that he is already out, but in principle Gravel is also the foundation of the Spaniard. It was all the more clever that he recently won the US open. I wonder how long it will be before Nadal also quits Federer. It would be a nice gesture to Federer if Nadal would also stop playing tennis this year. But maybe Nadal is still too good to quit, and too young.

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Bad news for Jannik Sinner. The Italian player has not played today against Otte, due an injury of his ankle. Probably he will not play on ATP next gen and for sure he will not available on Florence tournament.

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Oh. What happened there? Alcaraz was eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Kazakhstan. He lost against Belgian Goffin in 2 sets. His opponent in the final in the US Open, Ruud, was also eliminated in the first round in the ATP tournament in Tokyo. He also lost in 2 sets.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 04, 2022, 05:03:18 AM

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Quote from: romero121 on October 02, 2022, 06:51:31 PM

Sania Mirza is the one to bring tennis to limelight in India and throughout her career she is the No.1 Indian Tennis player and during the peak of her career in 2007 she managed to reach 27th World rank and no other women players from India is able to reach it. There are more young players, and we should also think the difference in competence between the year 2007 and 2022.

One thing I have noticed is there is lack of consistency and hard work in the people
Most people don't want to work hard. These stars and those who make a difference go an extra mile.
Sania Miza brought indian tennis to the limelight but after her marriage her career took a nosedive. She married a Pakistani cricketer and that is a big clash in her career too,

@romero121 I do remember those days but I never really understood why didn’t India produce another great star like her, and to be honest I don’t even recollect if there was any other Indian female tennis star besides her. Furthermore while her marriage was kinda controversial, but I don’t think it was the reason for her downfall rather I believe that it was her over confidence which never really allowed her to recover the heights that she had previously touched.

In the subcontinent, it doesn't matter if it's India, Bangladesh, In Pakistan or any other country, the carrier of a female is greatly affected after the marriage, irrespective of the country in which the female resides. As a matter of fact, I do not believe that her marriage was the main cause of her downfall. However, I think that was one of the reasons.

Furthermore, I also believe that she was a bit too overconfident in her abilities, which actually ended up hurting her in the long run. As I recall, the Indian media really praised her before she got married. There was a lot of controversy surrounding the marriage, and the praise had gone down. In addition, India is a country that has a greater emphasis on cricket than any other. If there is an athlete, especially a female athlete, then at least she has a genuine interest in cricket now.

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Quote from: romero121 on October 02, 2022, 06:51:31 PM

Sania Mirza is the one to bring tennis to limelight in India and throughout her career she is the No.1 Indian Tennis player and during the peak of her career in 2007 she managed to reach 27th World rank and no other women players from India is able to reach it. There are more young players, and we should also think the difference in competence between the year 2007 and 2022.

One thing I have noticed is there is lack of consistency and hard work in the people
Most people don't want to work hard. These stars and those who make a difference go an extra mile.
Sania Miza brought indian tennis to the limelight but after her marriage her career took a nosedive. She married a Pakistani cricketer and that is a big clash in her career too,

@romero121 I do remember those days but I never really understood why didn’t India produce another great star like her, and to be honest I don’t even recollect if there was any other Indian female tennis star besides her. Furthermore while her marriage was kinda controversial, but I don’t think it was the reason for her downfall rather I believe that it was her over confidence which never really allowed her to recover the heights that she had previously touched.

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Quote from: Trofo on October 03, 2022, 01:25:00 PM

Quote from: aoluain on October 03, 2022, 07:11:54 AM

Cilic had some good results this year surprising a lot of us but against Djokovic there is a
massive gap.

It is not just a quality gap, it is a total counter in play styles. H2H with Djoković is really terrible 19-2 so it was very expected result. I hoped that he will maybe take one set or last till tie break but even that was asking too much.

Solid tournament in Japan going on now, too bad all the matches are during the night in my time zone so I can't watch anything.

Yes agree on the points of talent and styles. Part of being a top player is knowing how to adapt
to the run of play and what to do to counter your opponents play.

I looked at the Tokyo tournament and I'm the same, very different time zone. I had a bet on
Ruud against Jayme but he lost in 2 sets.

Kyrgios is playing shortly, probably last match of the day, I have a small -5 handicap on him
@ 1.69.....

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Bautista agut even at 34 years old still beating world class players this time he beated aliassime with a 2 0 score in the astana tournament, it was a surprising result since aliassime was having a decent performance he even beaten djokovic in the laver cup, if agut continue to show this performance i expect him to go far in the competition.

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Quote from: romero121 on October 02, 2022, 06:51:31 PM

Sania Mirza is the one to bring tennis to limelight in India and throughout her career she is the No.1 Indian Tennis player and during the peak of her career in 2007 she managed to reach 27th World rank and no other women players from India is able to reach it. There are more young players, and we should also think the difference in competence between the year 2007 and 2022.

One thing I have noticed is there is lack of consistency and hard work in the people
Most people don't want to work hard. These stars and those who make a difference go an extra mile.
Sania Miza brought indian tennis to the limelight but after her marriage her career took a nosedive. She married a Pakistani cricketer and that is a big clash in her career too,

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Quote from: aoluain on October 03, 2022, 07:11:54 AM

Cilic had some good results this year surprising a lot of us but against Djokovic there is a
massive gap.

It is not just a quality gap, it is a total counter in play styles. H2H with Djoković is really terrible 19-2 so it was very expected result. I hoped that he will maybe take one set or last till tie break but even that was asking too much.

Solid tournament in Japan going on now, too bad all the matches are during the night in my time zone so I can't watch anything.

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Quote from: aoluain on October 03, 2022, 07:11:54 AM

I think Djokivic has big things planned for next year after a crazy 2022. This year has been
so messed up for him through no fault of his own or maybe because of his decisions
but he will be back with a vengeance.

Cilic had some good results this year surprising a lot of us but against Djokovic there is a
massive gap.

He won Tel Aviv pretty easily and i think if he continues to play tournaments until the rest of the year he will get 2 or 3 more titles. But his ranking has dropped by a huge amount . If Wimbledon counted he would be in the top 5 but still missing 2 grand slams and playing so little tournament he is in a good ranking. If they allow him to play in 2023 he will win it all for sure.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on October 03, 2022, 11:52:43 AM

Stan Wawrinka lost today against Mannarino two sets to one after winning the first one 6-1, I think the age factor is showing, It is a matter of time he retires, even when he was at his top of his career his cardio was not really impressive, now Grand Slams would be a real challenge for him, if he gets to play in some of them he will be eliminated in the first rounds.

These days many matches ends up with unexpected results. In the match between Wawrinka and Mannarino, it is Wawrinka to win the match. Even the first set confirmed it,but Mannarino made a big comeback winning the second and third sets. As said age factor really matters and very few were able to stay high amidst their age.

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