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Quote from: Cnut237 on June 24, 2022, 08:54:55 AM

Quote from: aoluain on June 24, 2022, 08:20:21 AM

I wonder would Djokovic do anything differently if he could go back to the start of the year?
probably not.

No, I certainly don't think he'd get vaccinated. One thing he might change is just not flying out to Australia if he knew what a debacle that would turn out to be.

I think for Djokovic the vaccination question isn't an isolated issue, it's tied in with his whole health thing. I remember when he was younger he was a good player, but a bit flaky and not quite as good as the very best. Then he completely overhauled his diet and physical regime, removing gluten etc., and it really transformed him and turned him into the superman we've seen over the last decade. I'm sure he sees vaccination as going against that, introducing pollutants into his carefully-maintained body, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks that having the vaccine would weaken his game. Chances of him getting vaccinated, even to compete in the US Open, have to be close to zero.

I think that is understandable. An athlete should be very cautious about what he inserts into his body. And he has done a very good job maintaining his body.

So, it is understandable to me if he does not want to get vaccinated. I also think that it should not be forced upon someone.
A person will get vaccinated if he wants to and if he doesn't it's his choice. Imagine that he gets vaccinated and it causes some problems in his game, who will take that liability??

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Quote from: Cnut237 on June 24, 2022, 07:20:30 AM

Quote from: Jating on June 24, 2022, 06:39:53 AM

Hopefully he can live up to being the top seed right now otherwise, Djokovic can still reclaim that this year. This is just the difference between the big 3 before, they are really psychologically though in close games and seldom we see them being upset perhaps just to other ranked but not to relatively unknown player.

I don't think Djokovic will be able to regain the number one spot this year. He's a long way back in points already, there are zero points available for Wimbledon, and there's a decent chance that Djokovic won't be able to play the US Open or other US events. Looking at the 2022 singles race, Nadal is already almost 4000 points clear of Djokovic.

Djokovic may still be the best player in the world, but the rankings won't reflect that any time soon.

Djokovic womt be back for at least a year on first place. With him not playing AO then not winning Rolan Garros and now Wimbledon not giving points. Grand slams are really killing him this year plus with vaccination he wont play US Open. Tournaments arent going in his favor and plus he is playing a low number of tournaments. I honestly dont see him in top 5 by the end of the year

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Quote from: aoluain on June 24, 2022, 08:20:21 AM

I wonder would Djokovic do anything differently if he could go back to the start of the year?
probably not.

No, I certainly don't think he'd get vaccinated. One thing he might change is just not flying out to Australia if he knew what a debacle that would turn out to be.

I think for Djokovic the vaccination question isn't an isolated issue, it's tied in with his whole health thing. I remember when he was younger he was a good player, but a bit flaky and not quite as good as the very best. Then he completely overhauled his diet and physical regime, removing gluten etc., and it really transformed him and turned him into the superman we've seen over the last decade. I'm sure he sees vaccination as going against that, introducing pollutants into his carefully-maintained body, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks that having the vaccine would weaken his game. Chances of him getting vaccinated, even to compete in the US Open, have to be close to zero.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on June 24, 2022, 07:20:30 AM

Quote from: Jating on June 24, 2022, 06:39:53 AM

Hopefully he can live up to being the top seed right now otherwise, Djokovic can still reclaim that this year. This is just the difference between the big 3 before, they are really psychologically though in close games and seldom we see them being upset perhaps just to other ranked but not to relatively unknown player.

I don't think Djokovic will be able to regain the number one spot this year. He's a long way back in points already, there are zero points available for Wimbledon, and there's a decent chance that Djokovic won't be able to play the US Open or other US events. Looking at the 2022 singles race, Nadal is already almost 4000 points clear of Djokovic.

Djokovic may still be the best player in the world, but the rankings won't reflect that any time soon.

Thats interesting actually, its a big changeup in the ranking because of basically Wimbledons
decision over Russian players and the resulting ATP ruling on points.

I wonder would Djokovic do anything differently if he could go back to the start of the year?
probably not.

Whole Medvedev has had mixed results this year, Nadal is the one to watch in the points race.
He has and will continue to create a gap between himself and Djokovic with points and Slams.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on June 24, 2022, 07:20:30 AM

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Djokovic may still be the best player in the world, but the rankings won't reflect that any time soon.

hard to finish year as number one, not impossible, but very hard

nevertheless, probably more important to him to get back to equal number of GS title with Rafa at the moment, since he has longest number one strike, and it is not reachable by active players

Hurkacs and Alcaraz are his draw half in Wimbledon, Berrettini is with Nadal

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Quote from: Jating on June 24, 2022, 06:39:53 AM

Hopefully he can live up to being the top seed right now otherwise, Djokovic can still reclaim that this year. This is just the difference between the big 3 before, they are really psychologically though in close games and seldom we see them being upset perhaps just to other ranked but not to relatively unknown player.

I don't think Djokovic will be able to regain the number one spot this year. He's a long way back in points already, there are zero points available for Wimbledon, and there's a decent chance that Djokovic won't be able to play the US Open or other US events. Looking at the 2022 singles race, Nadal is already almost 4000 points clear of Djokovic.

Djokovic may still be the best player in the world, but the rankings won't reflect that any time soon.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 24, 2022, 05:22:10 AM

It is remarkable how Medvedev, the new number 1 in the world, presents itself. 2 weeks ago he lost in the final against the number 200 in the world, and now he also lost another match. He should really just beat everyone if Djokovic and Nadal don't participate, right? For me this is the sign that Medvedev is probably not going to win Wimbledon. He can play fantastically and is very solid, but when it comes to important games, he has let go a lot. Maybe there will be more pressure on him because he is now the new number 1 in the world.

It's just unfortunate though, maybe there is a big pressure on his shoulder to really play good and so he pushed himself.

Or maybe it's just bad timing, him not consistent in his last 2 tournaments and that is why he was upset. Hopefully he can live up to being the top seed right now otherwise, Djokovic can still reclaim that this year. This is just the difference between the big 3 before, they are really psychologically though in close games and seldom we see them being upset perhaps just to other ranked but not to relatively unknown player.

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It is remarkable how Medvedev, the new number 1 in the world, presents itself. 2 weeks ago he lost in the final against the number 200 in the world, and now he also lost another match. He should really just beat everyone if Djokovic and Nadal don't participate, right? For me this is the sign that Medvedev is probably not going to win Wimbledon. He can play fantastically and is very solid, but when it comes to important games, he has let go a lot. Maybe there will be more pressure on him because he is now the new number 1 in the world.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 23, 2022, 02:41:34 PM

Quote from: Cnut237 on June 23, 2022, 02:05:53 PM

Talking about Djokovic and grass... we were mentioning recently how FAA can be a threat on this surface, but Djokovic beat him on grass 6-2 6-1 yesterday Shocked

It was an exhibition match (at Hurlingham), but still, it starts to answer some questions about Djokovic's form and fitness going into the tournament.

And in other news on grass exhibition matches (also Hurlingham) and the form and fitness of the top players, yesterday Nadal beat Wawrinka 6-3 6-3. Wawrinka's comment after the match was "I don't know how he is feeling, it looks like normal Rafa"

It looks like Nadal had already recovered from his injury. Hopefully, the injury won't reoccur during his matches.

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Nadal showed no ill-effects after nerve treatment on the chronic foot problem that troubled him during his French Open triumph earlier this month as he beat Stan Wawrinka 6-2 6-3 at the Hurlingham Club in London.

Btw, some news said that it is possible that Djokovic and Nadal will lead this Wimbledon Title Chase.^[1] One article also stated that Nadal will be one of the biggest threats at Wimbledon this year.^[2] For the Nadal fan out there, that article is really motivating to read.

[1] https://sports.ndtv.com/wimbledon-2022/novak-djokovic-rafael-nadal-lead-title-chase-at-all-change-wimbledon-3089244
[2] https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/7-reasons-rafael-nadal-will-be-one-of-the-biggest-threats-at-wimbledon-this-year

Nadal is already practicing at wimbledon along with Berrettini and they've become the first players in history to have practiced on the center court of Wimbledon before the tournament begins. The move to allow players in early was made to break in the grass sooner and prevent slips and injuries during the tournament.

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^^ Well it's good to hear but we all know that Nadal is best suited for clay surface. Yes, he is the second or third favorite but I will still favor Djokovic over him in Wimbledon.

And I think great players started at grass or this is the surface that they love to play. So we will see how Nadal's body is, he may have recovered and be like 90%.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on June 23, 2022, 02:05:53 PM

Talking about Djokovic and grass... we were mentioning recently how FAA can be a threat on this surface, but Djokovic beat him on grass 6-2 6-1 yesterday Shocked

It was an exhibition match (at Hurlingham), but still, it starts to answer some questions about Djokovic's form and fitness going into the tournament.

And in other news on grass exhibition matches (also Hurlingham) and the form and fitness of the top players, yesterday Nadal beat Wawrinka 6-3 6-3. Wawrinka's comment after the match was "I don't know how he is feeling, it looks like normal Rafa"

It looks like Nadal had already recovered from his injury. Hopefully, the injury won't reoccur during his matches.

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Nadal showed no ill-effects after nerve treatment on the chronic foot problem that troubled him during his French Open triumph earlier this month as he beat Stan Wawrinka 6-2 6-3 at the Hurlingham Club in London.

Btw, some news said that it is possible that Djokovic and Nadal will lead this Wimbledon Title Chase.^[1] One article also stated that Nadal will be one of the biggest threats at Wimbledon this year.^[2] For the Nadal fan out there, that article is really motivating to read.

[1] https://sports.ndtv.com/wimbledon-2022/novak-djokovic-rafael-nadal-lead-title-chase-at-all-change-wimbledon-3089244
[2] https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/7-reasons-rafael-nadal-will-be-one-of-the-biggest-threats-at-wimbledon-this-year

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Talking about Djokovic and grass... we were mentioning recently how FAA can be a threat on this surface, but Djokovic beat him on grass 6-2 6-1 yesterday Shocked

It was an exhibition match (at Hurlingham), but still, it starts to answer some questions about Djokovic's form and fitness going into the tournament.

And in other news on grass exhibition matches (also Hurlingham) and the form and fitness of the top players, yesterday Nadal beat Wawrinka 6-3 6-3. Wawrinka's comment after the match was "I don't know how he is feeling, it looks like normal Rafa"

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Quote from: Joca97 on June 23, 2022, 01:42:09 PM

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Well AO title says it all how good Djokovic is on hard surface and that is the main thing why i think that Djokovic is better on hard court. On grass court there is no doubt honestly. Medvedev also lost today against Bautista and with such bad results Medvedev is ranked #1 and i think he dosent deserve it

AO title says one thing, but US open title says other thing
at the moment, it is hard to say who is better on hard surface, Djokovic is not comparable with Medvedev when career is in question, but at this particular moment, their odds (if Djokovic will be allowed to play) on US open would probably be pretty close

but on grass, there is no question, and not just for Djokovic, even if he plays, Medvedev would not be at top5 favorites for the title, you can just look at outright odds for Wimbledon, and compare it to both, Singles list ATP, and Singles race, and it is totally different
because grass is different

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 23, 2022, 10:41:27 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on June 23, 2022, 10:12:47 AM

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you are true regarding statistics, and I do think that Medvedev is equal to Djokovic on hard surface (maybe even better), but this is grass

and Medvedev is far from great on grass
there are always some lower ranked players, that are grass specialists, and far better on Wimbledon than other tournaments

US open and AO are main GS tournaments for Medvedev, he is not all surface specialist, althouth better for grass than clay, certainly

Well AO title says it all how good Djokovic is on hard surface and that is the main thing why i think that Djokovic is better on hard court. On grass court there is no doubt honestly. Medvedev also lost today against Bautista and with such bad results Medvedev is ranked #1 and i think he dosent deserve it

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 23, 2022, 10:12:47 AM

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you are true regarding statistics, and I do think that Medvedev is equal to Djokovic on hard surface (maybe even better), but this is grass

and Medvedev is far from great on grass
there are always some lower ranked players, that are grass specialists, and far better on Wimbledon than other tournaments

US open and AO are main GS tournaments for Medvedev, he is not all surface specialist, althouth better for grass than clay, certainly

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 23, 2022, 07:30:15 AM

Quote from: bct_ail on June 23, 2022, 04:13:36 AM

Djokovic is of course the absolute favourite. I see the other tennis players you mentioned the same way as you do.
Medvedev is not allowed to play in Wimbledon because he is banned due to the Russian war of aggression.

it is not up to Medvedev, I do not him as serious contender on Wimbledon, even if he is allowed to play
and Djokovic played really good on exbition yesterday, stormed FAA in 15 gems, two sets
and yeah FAA is not great on grass, but odds on Djokovic are showing how he is valued to win at the moment, everything else would be a big surprise, IMO

Could have been a great match to watch, if Medvedev isn't been banned from playing. I dig a little about the rivalry between these two players and found out that these two had been rivals for so long and had a 6-4 record match in favor of Djokovic but it was said that the two losses of Medvedev were the time (2017) when he isn't yet on his prime.[1] But from 2019 to the present it was 4-4 for the two rivals. But well, I guess Medvedev can't prove that he is a serious contender for this year's League. I wonder why do you think the current world #1[2] isn't a serious contender for Wimbledon???

That said, looking at the stats I agree that Djokovic will be the favorite.

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[1] https://www.golfdigest.com/story/novak-djokovic-daniil-medvedev-paris-masters-final-mens-tennis-rivalry
[2] https://sports.ndtv.com/tennis/wimbledon-2022-novak-djokovic-top-mens-seed-in-absence-of-daniil-medvedev-alexander-zverev-3087530

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Quote from: bitbollo on June 23, 2022, 09:40:41 AM

Peniston has just loss 6-3 6-3 against Draper.
He has bee able to win 2 break points (in both sets!) but has not been able to defend such advantage Sad

He played excellent games during the past weeks, if he continues at this pace we could see him in the top 100.

I have my eye on Draper, the next big hope for British men's tennis. Peniston is 26yo and unlikely to improve, although he's had a decent run recently on the grass. Draper on the other hand is 20yo and rising fast. IIRC he took a set off Djokovic at Wimbledon last year. He's had a couple of big scalps in recent weeks, too. I think he certainly has potential to be seeded for big tournaments in future (top 32), maybe higher we'll see how he progresses. I think he's a better player than Dan Evans already, although not yet a match for Norrie.

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Peniston has just loss 6-3 6-3 against Draper.
He has bee able to win 2 break points (in both sets!) but has not been able to defend such advantage Sad

He played excellent games during the past weeks, if he continues at this pace we could see him in the top 100.

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 23, 2022, 07:30:15 AM

it is not up to Medvedev, I do not him as serious contender on Wimbledon, even if he is allowed to play
and Djokovic played really good on exbition yesterday, stormed FAA in 15 gems, two sets
and yeah FAA is not great on grass, but odds on Djokovic are showing how he is valued to win at the moment, everything else would be a big surprise, IMO

Aliassime is actually very good on grass, it is by far his best surface. I do have to say that his loss in Hertogenbosch semi was really unexpected though. He should have won that tournament.
Other than that, he lost in 2 tie-breaks to Hurkacz and in an exhibition game to Đoković - not the worst results.

He is one of my dark horses - with his serve game he can really go far.

Just wanted to write that FAA is though opponent for anyone on grass but you beat me to the punch. On his day he can win against anybody but he also gets a bad day quite often when nothing goes his way. I don't expect him to go far just because of that off day.

I do see FAA as a genuine contender, along with Berrettini and Alcaraz. The other obvious two being Djokovic and Nadal... unfortunately these five together make up the top five favourites in betting odds!
TBH I'd be tempted to see how they play in the first round before looking to back an outright tournament winner... maybe Djokovic is still a bit rusty, and maybe Nadal after his treatment is close to 100% fit, in which case the odds on Nadal as winner would still look quite favourable.

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