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Quote from: Joca97 on June 23, 2022, 01:42:09 PM

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Well AO title says it all how good Djokovic is on hard surface and that is the main thing why i think that Djokovic is better on hard court. On grass court there is no doubt honestly. Medvedev also lost today against Bautista and with such bad results Medvedev is ranked #1 and i think he dosent deserve it

AO title says one thing, but US open title says other thing
at the moment, it is hard to say who is better on hard surface, Djokovic is not comparable with Medvedev when career is in question, but at this particular moment, their odds (if Djokovic will be allowed to play) on US open would probably be pretty close

but on grass, there is no question, and not just for Djokovic, even if he plays, Medvedev would not be at top5 favorites for the title, you can just look at outright odds for Wimbledon, and compare it to both, Singles list ATP, and Singles race, and it is totally different
because grass is different

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 23, 2022, 10:12:47 AM

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you are true regarding statistics, and I do think that Medvedev is equal to Djokovic on hard surface (maybe even better), but this is grass

and Medvedev is far from great on grass
there are always some lower ranked players, that are grass specialists, and far better on Wimbledon than other tournaments

US open and AO are main GS tournaments for Medvedev, he is not all surface specialist, althouth better for grass than clay, certainly

Well AO title says it all how good Djokovic is on hard surface and that is the main thing why i think that Djokovic is better on hard court. On grass court there is no doubt honestly. Medvedev also lost today against Bautista and with such bad results Medvedev is ranked #1 and i think he dosent deserve it

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 23, 2022, 10:12:47 AM

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you are true regarding statistics, and I do think that Medvedev is equal to Djokovic on hard surface (maybe even better), but this is grass

and Medvedev is far from great on grass
there are always some lower ranked players, that are grass specialists, and far better on Wimbledon than other tournaments

US open and AO are main GS tournaments for Medvedev, he is not all surface specialist, althouth better for grass than clay, certainly

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 23, 2022, 07:30:15 AM

Quote from: bct_ail on June 23, 2022, 04:13:36 AM

Djokovic is of course the absolute favourite. I see the other tennis players you mentioned the same way as you do.
Medvedev is not allowed to play in Wimbledon because he is banned due to the Russian war of aggression.

it is not up to Medvedev, I do not him as serious contender on Wimbledon, even if he is allowed to play
and Djokovic played really good on exbition yesterday, stormed FAA in 15 gems, two sets
and yeah FAA is not great on grass, but odds on Djokovic are showing how he is valued to win at the moment, everything else would be a big surprise, IMO

Could have been a great match to watch, if Medvedev isn't been banned from playing. I dig a little about the rivalry between these two players and found out that these two had been rivals for so long and had a 6-4 record match in favor of Djokovic but it was said that the two losses of Medvedev were the time (2017) when he isn't yet on his prime.[1] But from 2019 to the present it was 4-4 for the two rivals. But well, I guess Medvedev can't prove that he is a serious contender for this year's League. I wonder why do you think the current world #1[2] isn't a serious contender for Wimbledon???

That said, looking at the stats I agree that Djokovic will be the favorite.

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[1] https://www.golfdigest.com/story/novak-djokovic-daniil-medvedev-paris-masters-final-mens-tennis-rivalry
[2] https://sports.ndtv.com/tennis/wimbledon-2022-novak-djokovic-top-mens-seed-in-absence-of-daniil-medvedev-alexander-zverev-3087530

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Quote from: bitbollo on June 23, 2022, 09:40:41 AM

Peniston has just loss 6-3 6-3 against Draper.
He has bee able to win 2 break points (in both sets!) but has not been able to defend such advantage Sad

He played excellent games during the past weeks, if he continues at this pace we could see him in the top 100.

I have my eye on Draper, the next big hope for British men's tennis. Peniston is 26yo and unlikely to improve, although he's had a decent run recently on the grass. Draper on the other hand is 20yo and rising fast. IIRC he took a set off Djokovic at Wimbledon last year. He's had a couple of big scalps in recent weeks, too. I think he certainly has potential to be seeded for big tournaments in future (top 32), maybe higher we'll see how he progresses. I think he's a better player than Dan Evans already, although not yet a match for Norrie.

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Peniston has just loss 6-3 6-3 against Draper.
He has bee able to win 2 break points (in both sets!) but has not been able to defend such advantage Sad

He played excellent games during the past weeks, if he continues at this pace we could see him in the top 100.

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 23, 2022, 07:30:15 AM

it is not up to Medvedev, I do not him as serious contender on Wimbledon, even if he is allowed to play
and Djokovic played really good on exbition yesterday, stormed FAA in 15 gems, two sets
and yeah FAA is not great on grass, but odds on Djokovic are showing how he is valued to win at the moment, everything else would be a big surprise, IMO

Aliassime is actually very good on grass, it is by far his best surface. I do have to say that his loss in Hertogenbosch semi was really unexpected though. He should have won that tournament.
Other than that, he lost in 2 tie-breaks to Hurkacz and in an exhibition game to Đoković - not the worst results.

He is one of my dark horses - with his serve game he can really go far.

Just wanted to write that FAA is though opponent for anyone on grass but you beat me to the punch. On his day he can win against anybody but he also gets a bad day quite often when nothing goes his way. I don't expect him to go far just because of that off day.

I do see FAA as a genuine contender, along with Berrettini and Alcaraz. The other obvious two being Djokovic and Nadal... unfortunately these five together make up the top five favourites in betting odds!
TBH I'd be tempted to see how they play in the first round before looking to back an outright tournament winner... maybe Djokovic is still a bit rusty, and maybe Nadal after his treatment is close to 100% fit, in which case the odds on Nadal as winner would still look quite favourable.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on June 23, 2022, 08:49:11 AM

Quote from: casperBGD on June 23, 2022, 07:30:15 AM

it is not up to Medvedev, I do not him as serious contender on Wimbledon, even if he is allowed to play
and Djokovic played really good on exbition yesterday, stormed FAA in 15 gems, two sets
and yeah FAA is not great on grass, but odds on Djokovic are showing how he is valued to win at the moment, everything else would be a big surprise, IMO

Aliassime is actually very good on grass, it is by far his best surface. I do have to say that his loss in Hertogenbosch semi was really unexpected though. He should have won that tournament.
Other than that, he lost in 2 tie-breaks to Hurkacz and in an exhibition game to Đoković - not the worst results.

He is one of my dark horses - with his serve game he can really go far.

Just wanted to write that FAA is though opponent for anyone on grass but you beat me to the punch. On his day he can win against anybody but he also gets a bad day quite often when nothing goes his way. I don't expect him to go far just because of that off day.

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 23, 2022, 07:30:15 AM

it is not up to Medvedev, I do not him as serious contender on Wimbledon, even if he is allowed to play
and Djokovic played really good on exbition yesterday, stormed FAA in 15 gems, two sets
and yeah FAA is not great on grass, but odds on Djokovic are showing how he is valued to win at the moment, everything else would be a big surprise, IMO

Aliassime is actually very good on grass, it is by far his best surface. I do have to say that his loss in Hertogenbosch semi was really unexpected though. He should have won that tournament.
Other than that, he lost in 2 tie-breaks to Hurkacz and in an exhibition game to Đoković - not the worst results.

He is one of my dark horses - with his serve game he can really go far.

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Quote from: bct_ail on June 23, 2022, 04:13:36 AM

Djokovic is of course the absolute favourite. I see the other tennis players you mentioned the same way as you do.
Medvedev is not allowed to play in Wimbledon because he is banned due to the Russian war of aggression.

it is not up to Medvedev, I do not him as serious contender on Wimbledon, even if he is allowed to play
and Djokovic played really good on exbition yesterday, stormed FAA in 15 gems, two sets
and yeah FAA is not great on grass, but odds on Djokovic are showing how he is valued to win at the moment, everything else would be a big surprise, IMO

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Quote from: Jating on June 22, 2022, 04:33:18 PM

It will still be Djokovic as the top favorite for this Wimbledon, followed by Alcaraz and Nadal. But we should expect some upsets a long the way. Maybe Medvedev can be good as the quarterfinals.

Djokovic is of course the absolute favourite. I see the other tennis players you mentioned the same way as you do.
Medvedev is not allowed to play in Wimbledon because he is banned due to the Russian war of aggression.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 22, 2022, 04:20:51 PM

Wimbledon will start next week. I've looked at some stats from the tournaments over the past few weeks, but can't really come to a conclusion as to who the top favorite is. Medvedev wins many matches, but in Rosmalen he was knocked off the track by the then number 200 in the world. He even trailed 5-0 in the 2nd set and it was almost 6-0. Now I think he is already in the semi-finals. Nobody knows what Djokovic is doing it seems, haha.

It will still be Djokovic as the top favorite for this Wimbledon, followed by Alcaraz and Nadal. But we should expect some upsets a long the way. Maybe Medvedev can be good as the quarterfinals.

Hurkacz game style has been put into notice, so if you are looking for a good underdog, he should be a good one. Tsitsipas is more on a clay court player, so not expecting him to roll in this tournament.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 22, 2022, 04:20:51 PM

Wimbledon will start next week. I've looked at some stats from the tournaments over the past few weeks, but can't really come to a conclusion as to who the top favorite is. Medvedev wins many matches, but in Rosmalen he was knocked off the track by the then number 200 in the world. He even trailed 5-0 in the 2nd set and it was almost 6-0. Now I think he is already in the semi-finals. Nobody knows what Djokovic is doing it seems, haha.

For me the main favorite is Novak Djokovic and the only one. Medvedev aint playing due to restrictions from Wimbledon even if he was playing i dont think he would have made it even to the semis. Alcaraz didnt even play once on grass this season so his chances are low aswell

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Wimbledon will start next week. I've looked at some stats from the tournaments over the past few weeks, but can't really come to a conclusion as to who the top favorite is. Medvedev wins many matches, but in Rosmalen he was knocked off the track by the then number 200 in the world. He even trailed 5-0 in the 2nd set and it was almost 6-0. Now I think he is already in the semi-finals. Nobody knows what Djokovic is doing it seems, haha.

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 22, 2022, 12:53:48 PM

Still holding off on my outrights (I'm going to play finalist instead of winner so waiting for markets to show up), and I know a few of you like Trofo's got eyes on the Italian favourite but I'm wondering if Nadal's also worth a finalist punt or is his injury too big a problem (wasn't in last 2 big ones!).

Haddad's the most popular bet so far according to oddschecker... and I have to admit I have never heard of her until now!
@CLS63 Hurkacz is men's most popular bet... are you on to something?

Tsitsi's all the way at 45/1... should get me a 15/1 maybe as a finalist? Ha ha.

Hurkacz attracted the attention of people by having successful results in the games he played before this tournament. Frankly, my biggest favourite is going to be the 25-year-old player Hurkacz if Djokovic doesn't manage to win this tournament somehow.

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 22, 2022, 01:41:37 PM

Quote from: buwaytress on June 22, 2022, 12:53:48 PM

Still holding off on my outrights (I'm going to play finalist instead of winner so waiting for markets to show up), and I know a few of you like Trofo's got eyes on the Italian favourite but I'm wondering if Nadal's also worth a finalist punt or is his injury too big a problem (wasn't in last 2 big ones!).

Haddad's the most popular bet so far according to oddschecker... and I have to admit I have never heard of her until now!
@CLS63 Hurkacz is men's most popular bet... are you on to something?

Tsitsi's all the way at 45/1... should get me a 15/1 maybe as a finalist? Ha ha.

for Nadal, it is up to draw, is he in Djokovic part or not, if not, maybe he could reach final, but I doubt that
regarding finalist, that is a fact for almost all, being out from Djokovic part, and chance to be in the final rises accordingly

regarding Hurkacz, he is the one beating Federer in his last set on Wimbledon (not in career, hopefully) 6:0, which puts him as clear candidate to reach far this season
nevertheless, I am staying with Norrie

Hurkacz is a contender for sure, he is very dangerous on grass when his serve and forehand combination click properly. I don't think he can reach final but he is probably good to pass 4 or 5 rounds.

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 22, 2022, 12:53:48 PM

Still holding off on my outrights (I'm going to play finalist instead of winner so waiting for markets to show up), and I know a few of you like Trofo's got eyes on the Italian favourite but I'm wondering if Nadal's also worth a finalist punt or is his injury too big a problem (wasn't in last 2 big ones!).

Haddad's the most popular bet so far according to oddschecker... and I have to admit I have never heard of her until now!
@CLS63 Hurkacz is men's most popular bet... are you on to something?

Tsitsi's all the way at 45/1... should get me a 15/1 maybe as a finalist? Ha ha.

for Nadal, it is up to draw, is he in Djokovic part or not, if not, maybe he could reach final, but I doubt that
regarding finalist, that is a fact for almost all, being out from Djokovic part, and chance to be in the final rises accordingly

regarding Hurkacz, he is the one beating Federer in his last set on Wimbledon (not in career, hopefully) 6:0, which puts him as clear candidate to reach far this season
nevertheless, I am staying with Norrie

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Quote from: vennali on June 22, 2022, 04:39:00 AM

ATP jumping in on the pun train. Rune is still considered one of the future tennis superstar who's on the rise at 19 years old. Maybe in a couple of years, he would be a potential Grand slam champ. Already a quarter finalist at French Open.

I watched this guy this year on a few challengers. I think he can be a good player and plays really good on the field and is smart. For him the problem is his serve and for him to be in the very top of the tennis world he needs to work a lot on it

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Still holding off on my outrights (I'm going to play finalist instead of winner so waiting for markets to show up), and I know a few of you like Trofo's got eyes on the Italian favourite but I'm wondering if Nadal's also worth a finalist punt or is his injury too big a problem (wasn't in last 2 big ones!).

Haddad's the most popular bet so far according to oddschecker... and I have to admit I have never heard of her until now!
@CLS63 Hurkacz is men's most popular bet... are you on to something?

Tsitsi's all the way at 45/1... should get me a 15/1 maybe as a finalist? Ha ha.

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Meanwhile Boulter (r.127) is currently a set up against Petra Kvitova (r.31).

Well, Boulter lost, and also Dan Evans just lost 2-0 against a lower-ranked opponent, so maybe ignore me! Cheesy

Seriously though, I do still think it's worth keeping an eye on the British players, who are playing above their level at the moment. The only one I'd definitely steer clear of is Raducanu, who has been very flaky this year - there's probably a decent chance of her retiring injured at some point during Wimbledon.

Eh no, Raducanu wouldnt be on my 'one to watch' list. She has for sure had a dissapointing
year and her poor form will most likely continue.

Harriet Dart had a good result against Teichman today and faces Kvitova next.

There is one on the Womens side I am watching and who is giving me profits, Haddad Maia
won again today and beat Bourage in 2 sets easily enough, 6-1, 6-2.

On the mens side predictably Norrie is through, and Draper is looking good for the win against
Diego.

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