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Quote from: bitbollo on April 21, 2022, 04:00:33 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on April 20, 2022, 08:20:54 PM

Perhaps just the nerves, you have to think that he is still a kid, just 18 years, and having a good time of his life. And he is playing for the crowd, his first return to Spanish soil so imagine the feeling. The weather as well, windy, cold and wet conditions.

But he did recovered in the 3rd, so he advances and will be facing his fellow Spaniard next, J. Munar.

Both of my initial handicap bets are covered.

the second set played by the Spanish was disastrous from all points of view, indeed unwatchable.
Anyone who has bet an "easy" 2-0 win was really surprised to see him play ...

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/tennis-in-meltdown-after-wimbledon-breaks-rules-to-ban-russia/news-story/3823c84f7202efcaf2afc1f24b6fda08

Politics continues to create divisions even in sport.
As already discussed yesterday, there was a ban on Russian and Belarusian players in Wimbledon Tournament.

Today's news is Djokovic's that doesn't agree with this ban.
Another "contrary" opinion come from australian player Millmann
(who suggested donating the Wimbledon prize pool to the Ukrainian cause rather than banning the participation of players based on their nationality).

I don't know about you, but excluding someone regardless of their actions is always a kind of defeat for everyone Sad

I thought they would allow Russian athletes to take part as independents, and while it would yet be a controversial decision but at least Russian player’s would have been able to participate. Also Djokovic should not have have commented on this as he’s already facing scrutiny due to his vaccination stand, and I wonder if he’ll face any punishment for his comments.

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Quote from: Kemarit on April 20, 2022, 08:20:54 PM

Perhaps just the nerves, you have to think that he is still a kid, just 18 years, and having a good time of his life. And he is playing for the crowd, his first return to Spanish soil so imagine the feeling. The weather as well, windy, cold and wet conditions.

But he did recovered in the 3rd, so he advances and will be facing his fellow Spaniard next, J. Munar.

Both of my initial handicap bets are covered.

the second set played by the Spanish was disastrous from all points of view, indeed unwatchable.
Anyone who has bet an "easy" 2-0 win was really surprised to see him play ...

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/tennis-in-meltdown-after-wimbledon-breaks-rules-to-ban-russia/news-story/3823c84f7202efcaf2afc1f24b6fda08

Politics continues to create divisions even in sport.
As already discussed yesterday, there was a ban on Russian and Belarusian players in Wimbledon Tournament.

Today's news is Djokovic's that doesn't agree with this ban.
Another "contrary" opinion come from australian player Millmann
(who suggested donating the Wimbledon prize pool to the Ukrainian cause rather than banning the participation of players based on their nationality).

I don't know about you, but excluding someone regardless of their actions is always a kind of defeat for everyone Sad

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Quote from: Trofo on April 20, 2022, 10:19:31 AM

It will not happen, they immediately added something like "if players do not speak up against Russian aggression". I am thinking most players will do the official statement and play Wimbledon. I believe we will see a complete roster at the tournament.

But this is also complete bollocks. These players don't play for their countries, they play for themselves. Russia gets literally nothing if Medvedev wins Wimbledon.

I'm really annoyed by politics constantly meddling with sports, why would Medvedev have to say anything? He is not a politician nor a soldier that is attacking anybody.

So frustrating, first the Covid bullshit, now this. Let sport be sport.

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Quote from: Trofo on April 20, 2022, 10:19:31 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on April 20, 2022, 08:21:02 AM

This has been speculated about for a long time and now it has become official.

''Russian and Belarusian players will not be allowed to compete at Wimbledon this year because of the invasion of Ukraine.''
''It is understood the All England Lawn Tennis Club (AELTC) will confirm the move later on Wednesday.''

It will not happen, they immediately added something like "if players do not speak up against Russian aggression". I am thinking most players will do the official statement and play Wimbledon. I believe we will see a complete roster at the tournament.

Yeah, I think so, too. Wimbledon want to look like they are taking a stand against Russia, but they will want the top players there, including of course Medvedev. But the biggest reason I suspect is their existing legal commitments to the ATP that ranking is the only criterion they use to determine who plays. Wimbledon will not want to get into a legal fight over this... we will surely see Medvedev playing.

Edit: and is the timing of this relevant? They are announcing it now, rather than on the eve of the tournament. This leaves plenty of time for the ATP to point out the legal obligation, then for Wimbledon to protest a bit and then grudgingly say "Okay, they can play. We tried our hardest to stop them, but ultimately our hands were tied by contractual obligations".

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Quote from: Jating on April 20, 2022, 01:50:29 PM

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Quote from: btc_angela on April 20, 2022, 06:55:27 AM

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Well Alcaraz is somewhat what we call the current hype, so we think he can win all tournaments he entered. And against Kwon? of course we will expect him to win.
...

Match is live and it's clear there are no chances for Kwon to win.. immediately a break point on first set!
there is a big difference between those two players and Kwon come from a very bad loss streak.
He win with Paire here in BCN, I think this was already the top result for that tournament...

What's scary though is that Kwon won the second set at 6-2 score. Not sure if Alcaraz has mental lapses on that set. Not sure what are the handicap on this match, did Alcaraz cover though?

He got back on the 3rd set and won convincingly, Alcaraz shouldn't lose the second set, just saying.

Perhaps just the nerves, you have to think that he is still a kid, just 18 years, and having a good time of his life. And he is playing for the crowd, his first return to Spanish soil so imagine the feeling. The weather as well, windy, cold and wet conditions.

But he did recovered in the 3rd, so he advances and will be facing his fellow Spaniard next, J. Munar.

Both of my initial handicap bets are covered.

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Quote from: bitbollo on April 20, 2022, 10:00:35 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on April 20, 2022, 06:55:27 AM

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Well Alcaraz is somewhat what we call the current hype, so we think he can win all tournaments he entered. And against Kwon? of course we will expect him to win.
...

Match is live and it's clear there are no chances for Kwon to win.. immediately a break point on first set!
there is a big difference between those two players and Kwon come from a very bad loss streak.
He win with Paire here in BCN, I think this was already the top result for that tournament...

What's scary though is that Kwon won the second set at 6-2 score. Not sure if Alcaraz has mental lapses on that set. Not sure what are the handicap on this match, did Alcaraz cover though?

He got back on the 3rd set and won convincingly, Alcaraz shouldn't lose the second set, just saying.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on April 20, 2022, 08:21:02 AM

This has been speculated about for a long time and now it has become official.

''Russian and Belarusian players will not be allowed to compete at Wimbledon this year because of the invasion of Ukraine.''
''It is understood the All England Lawn Tennis Club (AELTC) will confirm the move later on Wednesday.''

I don't know what i should think about this. Of course the Russian invasion of the Ukraine is horrible and should be stopped immediately but it just can not see any connection between Russian tennisplayers and that war besides from the fact that they are russian of course, but that does not make them guilty of any actions that their government has planned and executed.
I also think, that it is not that easy for those players to make an official statement against the war and therefore also against their government. Their family members and friends are probably still in Russia and if those players are now attacking the government it would also affect those family members and friends.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on April 20, 2022, 08:21:02 AM

This has been speculated about for a long time and now it has become official.

''Russian and Belarusian players will not be allowed to compete at Wimbledon this year because of the invasion of Ukraine.''
''It is understood the All England Lawn Tennis Club (AELTC) will confirm the move later on Wednesday.''

It will not happen, they immediately added something like "if players do not speak up against Russian aggression". I am thinking most players will do the official statement and play Wimbledon. I believe we will see a complete roster at the tournament.

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Quote from: btc_angela on April 20, 2022, 06:55:27 AM

...
Well Alcaraz is somewhat what we call the current hype, so we think he can win all tournaments he entered. And against Kwon? of course we will expect him to win.
...

Match is live and it's clear there are no chances for Kwon to win.. immediately a break point on first set!
there is a big difference between those two players and Kwon come from a very bad loss streak.
He win with Paire here in BCN, I think this was already the top result for that tournament...

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This has been speculated about for a long time and now it has become official.

''Russian and Belarusian players will not be allowed to compete at Wimbledon this year because of the invasion of Ukraine.''
''It is understood the All England Lawn Tennis Club (AELTC) will confirm the move later on Wednesday.''

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61161016

Very difficult news for Medvedev, Sabalenka and other tennis players from these countries.
Could it happen that two currently best tennis players don't play at the Wimbledon, Djokovic due to non-vaccination and Medvedev due to the war in Ukraine?
Do you think it's okay to limit tennis players' appearances in tournaments because of the war?
Should sport be separated from daily politics?

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Quote from: Cnut237 on April 20, 2022, 01:47:35 AM

Quote from: aoluain on April 20, 2022, 01:37:55 AM

Both Alcaraz against Kwon and Tsitsipas against Ivashka are big favourites.

I think I'm getting a bit carried away with Alcaraz now, I'm expecting him to beat everyone he plays and win every tournament (with Medvedev out and Djokovic rusty). I can't be the only one thinking like this, and I wonder if the betting odds are reflected accordingly, so odds for Alcaraz are somewhat less favourable than should really be the case.

But even having said that, of course I expect him to win his next match. 🙂

Well Alcaraz is somewhat what we call the current hype, so we think he can win all tournaments he entered. And against Kwon? of course we will expect him to win.

Tsitsipas though is the top seed in this tournament, and when we think that he is on the roll, suddenly he will have a bad tournament game and be upset by someone.

FAA vs Carlos Taberner has been suspended though. FAA winning the 1st set, 6-1.

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Quote from: aoluain on April 20, 2022, 01:37:55 AM

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Both Alcaraz against Kwon and Tsitsipas against Ivashka are big favourites. I have
Alcaraz -3.5 @1.16, not great odds there. I also have Felix AA to win @1.42.

I'm not sure about backing Tsitsipas, I got burned before specially right after he wins
a tournament, maybe -2.5 @1.21?

Better skip Tsitsipas in first round at that low odds. If anything best bet is probably counter handicap on match or even better on first set. This is his first match in new toirnamet without much time to get adjusted to new conditions.

But as I said, better skip and continue to bet on him from next match.

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Quote from: aoluain on April 20, 2022, 01:37:55 AM

Both Alcaraz against Kwon and Tsitsipas against Ivashka are big favourites.

I think I'm getting a bit carried away with Alcaraz now, I'm expecting him to beat everyone he plays and win every tournament (with Medvedev out and Djokovic rusty). I can't be the only one thinking like this, and I wonder if the betting odds are reflected accordingly, so odds for Alcaraz are somewhat less favourable than should really be the case.

But even having said that, of course I expect him to win his next match. 🙂

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Both Alcaraz against Kwon and Tsitsipas against Ivashka are big favourites. I have
Alcaraz -3.5 @1.16, not great odds there. I also have Felix AA to win @1.42.

I'm not sure about backing Tsitsipas, I got burned before specially right after he wins
a tournament, maybe -2.5 @1.21?

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Quote from: Trofo on April 19, 2022, 04:53:15 PM

It was a brutal tennis day for me. I don't think I did this badly at any point in last couple of years. I missed all my bets today. I had Goffin, Lajović, Cabbales Baena, Korda, Andujar, Ymer +4.5 and all of them lost

I just got Ruusovori 2:0 correct to have some green among all the busts. Good thing I did not have time to share my picks today.

I haven't started my picks yet for this tournament, for sure this is just a bad day for you and you can get back at it.

I'll probably start with Tiafoe vs Dellien -1.5 for Tiafoe.
FAA vs Taberner - FAA 3.5

There's so much game today, and hopefully you guys can make a good pick and carry our momentum in this tournament.

Alcaraz and Tsitsipas will also see action today, probably might be good to look at them as well.

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It was a brutal tennis day for me. I don't think I did this badly at any point in last couple of years. I missed all my bets today. I had Goffin, Lajović, Cabbales Baena, Korda, Andujar, Ymer +4.5 and all of them lost

I just got Ruusovori 2:0 correct to have some green among all the busts. Good thing I did not have time to share my picks today.

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I am looking forward to Thiem being back and he needs game time but unfortunately
Millman beat him in 3 sets. Obviously everyone wants to try and be fighting fit for RG,
hopefully he will get another tournament in before then.

The vast majority of the big names are playing Barcelona. The ones in the highlight
recently, Alcaraz, Ruud, Tsitsipas are all in action there. Unfortunately for Fokina
he had to retire from fatigue at him home tournament.

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Quote from: Kemarit on April 17, 2022, 07:00:03 PM

Oh so Thiem will come back? That's good news for his fans.

And congrats again for those who won some sats in this tournament. Overall, it was a good one for me.

It was great tournament for me, mainly because I was betting on Fokina every match after watching him against Djoković. Some handicaps, some ML, often both. He lost me just ML bet in final but +5.5 handicap covered that few times so all in all great. My biggest loss was when Zverev went out without real fight. Had that match pegged as over for sure.

Thiem plays tomorrow at 12:30 local time in Belgrade against Milman. Should be easy game for him if he was in form but after such a long pause I really don't know what to expect from him. Would love to watch that match but unfortunately I am working so will have to settle for keepning an eye on the score.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on April 18, 2022, 05:24:25 AM

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Quote from: Jating on April 17, 2022, 08:51:05 AM

^^ I guess it's better for her to take a break and let that injury heal first before making a comeback, otherwise it will just haunt her down and maybe it will have a toll on his mind and body and won't be able to get back to her old form. Maybe it was the 'curse' of the US Open for women, or just maybe bad luck on her side for having that blisters on her hand.

I don't think the blisters is luck really, she has been suffering from them a few times this season. We have to remember that her body is not used to the rigours of the professional tour yet, it will take time for her to get used to it not just mentally, but also physically. Remember her matches this week were her first ever on clay at the top level, which just sounds crazy. She doesn't even really know how to move on the surface, it is a huge learning curve.

I'm confident we will see her back up near the top, and I'm sure she is capable of being a top 10 player and challenging regularly for slams... but what she needs now is time. It may be a year or two before we start to see her potential in anything other than brief flashes.

Personally, I’m not so optimistic about her future tennis career and I wonder if we’re looking at another Osaka case?
Ever since she won the GS in America she seems to have lost her confidence and no longer plays at that level.
She does not seem to be able to withstand the great public pressure and expectations from her.
Immediately after the greatest success of her tennis career, she fired her coach and since then she has not achieved any major tennis results.

Being an young player she has got time to recover. Taking rest for now will help her career progress than straining. At the young age getting into the top ranking gives them the mind that they're the best and they doesn't need anyone. That is where she fired her coach. Being young is the reason why she isn't able to withstand the public pressure. With time this will change along with the better games.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on April 18, 2022, 03:29:02 AM

Quote from: Jating on April 17, 2022, 08:51:05 AM

^^ I guess it's better for her to take a break and let that injury heal first before making a comeback, otherwise it will just haunt her down and maybe it will have a toll on his mind and body and won't be able to get back to her old form. Maybe it was the 'curse' of the US Open for women, or just maybe bad luck on her side for having that blisters on her hand.

I don't think the blisters is luck really, she has been suffering from them a few times this season. We have to remember that her body is not used to the rigours of the professional tour yet, it will take time for her to get used to it not just mentally, but also physically. Remember her matches this week were her first ever on clay at the top level, which just sounds crazy. She doesn't even really know how to move on the surface, it is a huge learning curve.

I'm confident we will see her back up near the top, and I'm sure she is capable of being a top 10 player and challenging regularly for slams... but what she needs now is time. It may be a year or two before we start to see her potential in anything other than brief flashes.

Personally, I’m not so optimistic about her future tennis career and I wonder if we’re looking at another Osaka case?
Ever since she won the GS in America she seems to have lost her confidence and no longer plays at that level.
She does not seem to be able to withstand the great public pressure and expectations from her.
Immediately after the greatest success of her tennis career, she fired her coach and since then she has not achieved any major tennis results.

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