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Yes we may see this happen for the first time since 2005 but lets not forget that Nadal has missed a lot of tournaments last year where as Medvedev played in most of them. I think Medvedev reaching number 2 rank doesn't mean much right now but I see that its something big as no other player has been able to split the big 3 for so many years.

Nadal, Djokovic and Federer are the best players the world has seen and for a long time i though Murray would perform consistantly as well but injuries sidelined his career and the difference between Nadal, Djokovic and Federer and the rest of the players is the consistency and if we have to think beyond them we need to see someone who could be as consistent as them and i am yet to see players that could do that but there are many promising players.

That is true. I think once these three players retire we'll see Men's tennis a bit like what we are seeing in Women's tennis and that there will be many different players winning grand slams. Osaka could be the next Serena Williams and dominate Women's tennis for years but even then I think we'll see many other players winning grand slams where as on the Men's side its just Federer, Nadal and Djokovic winning grand slams so once they retire we might see it open up with no one, two or three dominate players always winning. We can already see that there is a lot of young talent coming through and most of them are around the same mark when it comes to winning smaller tournaments with no real stand out player. I think Medvedev, Thiem, Zverev, Tsitsipas and even Rublev are evenly matched so in the future we could see grand slams won by each of these players as long as they remain fit and healthy. I actually think it will be good for Men's tennis in the future.

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Quote from: vella85 on March 01, 2021, 04:44:48 PM

Yes we may see this happen for the first time since 2005 but lets not forget that Nadal has missed a lot of tournaments last year where as Medvedev played in most of them. I think Medvedev reaching number 2 rank doesn't mean much right now but I see that its something big as no other player has been able to split the big 3 for so many years.

Nadal, Djokovic and Federer are the best players the world has seen and for a long time i thought Murray would perform consistantly as well but injuries sidelined his career and the difference between Nadal, Djokovic and Federer and the rest of the players is the consistency and if we have to think beyond them we need to see someone who could be as consistent as them and i am yet to see players that could do that but there are many promising players.

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Former Wimbledon finalist David Nalbandian said the younger players on the men's ATP Tour must start believing in themselves if they are to close the gap on Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal and Novak Djokovic.

Don't know if you guys are familiar with David Nalbandian but I've seen this guy play against the big 3. And I would say that he has a point there, if the young guys are mentally weak and not think that they can overcome the big 3 in Grand Slams, then they are not going to over over against Djokovic or Nadal in the next 2-3 years.

I am familiar with Nalbandian and I can partially agree. The young guys are closing in every tournament and I don't think all young players are mentally weak. Look at Tsitsipas who come from 2 sets down and still managed to win against Nadal.
One thing is sure, there are a lot of young talented players but I don't see anyone able to really dominate the field in the same way as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have done.

Yes Tsitsipas was able to come from behind and beat Nadal however as we have seen with Tsitsipas, when he has the winning momentum in tournaments he can't go on with it and actually win the title. We have seen it many times over the past several years with him and just when we think he is ready, he then puts in a bad performance and loses. To be honest the same can be said for many of the young talent, they do well in smaller tournaments and win titles but in the big tournaments they fail to achieve success. Yes ok Thiem won the US Open but if Djokovic was in the final would he of won? I doubt he would because Djokovic was in top form and looked like he would win again.

It all comes down to winning mentality and to be honest, the young talent don't seem to have it right now and it might not change until Federer, Nadal and Djokovic retire.

Yes, this young talent has all the tools to beat the big 3, we have seen them in the past, they really can do it. But it boils down on their mind though, I would have to believed that majority of them are still intimidated when they are facing either Djokovic, Nadal and Federer in any court.

That's why David Nalbandian has a point, he has been there, and he did it (although we can argue that the big 3 is not yet on their peak, while Nalbandian is at his prime). Nevertheless, I will have to agree that most of the time, when you face the best in any sports, you got to believed that you can win against them. And they should focus 100% on that.

I agree, it comes down to mentality be able to have the confidence in beating the top 3 in big games.

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Medvedev will be at world no.2 if he reaches Rotterdam Finals. The last time someone other than Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Murray occupied the top 2 spot was in July 2005. You can understand how dominant the big 4 have been for so long. Its incredible.

Yes we may see this happen for the first time since 2005 but lets not forget that Nadal has missed a lot of tournaments last year where as Medvedev played in most of them. I think Medvedev reaching number 2 rank doesn't mean much right now but I see that its something big as no other player has been able to split the big 3 for so many years.

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Medvedev will be at world no.2 if he reaches Rotterdam Finals. The last time someone other than Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Murray occupied the top 2 spot was in July 2005. You can understand how dominant the big 4 have been for so long. Its incredible.

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Chasing pack need to believe they can topple 'Big Three': Nalbandian

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Former Wimbledon finalist David Nalbandian said the younger players on the men's ATP Tour must start believing in themselves if they are to close the gap on Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal and Novak Djokovic.

Don't know if you guys are familiar with David Nalbandian but I've seen this guy play against the big 3. And I would say that he has a point there, if the young guys are mentally weak and not think that they can overcome the big 3 in Grand Slams, then they are not going to over over against Djokovic or Nadal in the next 2-3 years.

I am familiar with Nalbandian and I can partially agree. The young guys are closing in every tournament and I don't think all young players are mentally weak. Look at Tsitsipas who come from 2 sets down and still managed to win against Nadal.
One thing is sure, there are a lot of young talented players but I don't see anyone able to really dominate the field in the same way as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have done.

Yes Tsitsipas was able to come from behind and beat Nadal however as we have seen with Tsitsipas, when he has the winning momentum in tournaments he can't go on with it and actually win the title. We have seen it many times over the past several years with him and just when we think he is ready, he then puts in a bad performance and loses. To be honest the same can be said for many of the young talent, they do well in smaller tournaments and win titles but in the big tournaments they fail to achieve success. Yes ok Thiem won the US Open but if Djokovic was in the final would he of won? I doubt he would because Djokovic was in top form and looked like he would win again.

It all comes down to winning mentality and to be honest, the young talent don't seem to have it right now and it might not change until Federer, Nadal and Djokovic retire.

Yes, this young talent has all the tools to beat the big 3, we have seen them in the past, they really can do it. But it boils down on their mind though, I would have to believed that majority of them are still intimidated when they are facing either Djokovic, Nadal and Federer in any court.

That's why David Nalbandian has a point, he has been there, and he did it (although we can argue that the big 3 is not yet on their peak, while Nalbandian is at his prime). Nevertheless, I will have to agree that most of the time, when you face the best in any sports, you got to believed that you can win against them. And they should focus 100% on that.

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Quote from: babygun on February 28, 2021, 04:19:49 AM

I am familiar with Nalbandian and I can partially agree. The young guys are closing in every tournament and I don't think all young players are mentally weak. Look at Tsitsipas who come from 2 sets down and still managed to win against Nadal.
One thing is sure, there are a lot of young talented players but I don't see anyone able to really dominate the field in the same way as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have done.

This can happen quite unexpectedly, and quite expected as the great tennis trio is not getting younger, and the young people on the contrary are increasingly beginning to gain confidence in their game. I think that if Federer can win the Tokyo Olympics, he can finish his great career this year. As for Djokovic and Nadal, I would like to say that Nadal is very strong on clay courts, but not to such an extent dominates them on other types of surfaces. In the same way, I would like to say that Djokovic, due to his physical fitness and health, is not necessarily able to win the other three Grand Slam championships, because we saw that he had some health problems during the Australian Open and it is absolutely not a fact that Djokovic would have won if Medvedev had been able to draw him into a four-or five-set game.

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Chasing pack need to believe they can topple 'Big Three': Nalbandian

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Former Wimbledon finalist David Nalbandian said the younger players on the men's ATP Tour must start believing in themselves if they are to close the gap on Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal and Novak Djokovic.

Don't know if you guys are familiar with David Nalbandian but I've seen this guy play against the big 3. And I would say that he has a point there, if the young guys are mentally weak and not think that they can overcome the big 3 in Grand Slams, then they are not going to over over against Djokovic or Nadal in the next 2-3 years.

I am familiar with Nalbandian and I can partially agree. The young guys are closing in every tournament and I don't think all young players are mentally weak. Look at Tsitsipas who come from 2 sets down and still managed to win against Nadal.
One thing is sure, there are a lot of young talented players but I don't see anyone able to really dominate the field in the same way as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have done.

Yes Tsitsipas was able to come from behind and beat Nadal however as we have seen with Tsitsipas, when he has the winning momentum in tournaments he can't go on with it and actually win the title. We have seen it many times over the past several years with him and just when we think he is ready, he then puts in a bad performance and loses. To be honest the same can be said for many of the young talent, they do well in smaller tournaments and win titles but in the big tournaments they fail to achieve success. Yes ok Thiem won the US Open but if Djokovic was in the final would he of won? I doubt he would because Djokovic was in top form and looked like he would win again.

It all comes down to winning mentality and to be honest, the young talent don't seem to have it right now and it might not change until Federer, Nadal and Djokovic retire.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 27, 2021, 06:55:51 PM

Chasing pack need to believe they can topple 'Big Three': Nalbandian

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Former Wimbledon finalist David Nalbandian said the younger players on the men's ATP Tour must start believing in themselves if they are to close the gap on Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal and Novak Djokovic.

Don't know if you guys are familiar with David Nalbandian but I've seen this guy play against the big 3. And I would say that he has a point there, if the young guys are mentally weak and not think that they can overcome the big 3 in Grand Slams, then they are not going to over over against Djokovic or Nadal in the next 2-3 years.

I am familiar with Nalbandian and I can partially agree. The young guys are closing in every tournament and I don't think all young players are mentally weak. Look at Tsitsipas who come from 2 sets down and still managed to win against Nadal.
One thing is sure, there are a lot of young talented players but I don't see anyone able to really dominate the field in the same way as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have done.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on February 28, 2021, 03:47:54 AM

Another sad tennis story, ''Gilles Simon has said he is taking a break from playing on the ATP Tour because of mental health concerns.''
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I loved watching him in tennis matches.

Sad to hear that and I hope he will return to the tour. This past year must have been tough for players prone to mental conditions with all the lock downs and cancelled tournaments due to covid.

That being said I will not miss watching him on the tour. He is maybe the most passive player I ever saw on the tour, granted with his physique he did not have an option to play in different way. I always prefer watching attacking players and I never watch the matches between two counter punchers. You know the one when every point has 30+ hits and 25 of them are just down the middle waiting for other guy to do something.

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Another sad tennis story, ''Gilles Simon has said he is taking a break from playing on the ATP Tour because of mental health concerns.''
Another great tennis player, a former sixth player in the world, is ending his great tennis career (most likely).
He had the peak of his career in 2009 and won a total of 14 tournaments.
I loved watching him in tennis matches.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/56222416

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 27, 2021, 06:55:51 PM

Chasing pack need to believe they can topple 'Big Three': Nalbandian

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Former Wimbledon finalist David Nalbandian said the younger players on the men's ATP Tour must start believing in themselves if they are to close the gap on Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal and Novak Djokovic.

Don't know if you guys are familiar with David Nalbandian but I've seen this guy play against the big 3. And I would say that he has a point there, if the young guys are mentally weak and not think that they can overcome the big 3 in Grand Slams, then they are not going to over over against Djokovic or Nadal in the next 2-3 years.

Nalbandian used to be one of my fav players to watch along with Nikolay Davidenko and Marat Safin. Just thinking about it, I had a lot more fav players haha. Carlos Moya, Lleyton Hewitt all such great players..only to miss out on greatness because of different circumstances. Its not just about believing in themselves. I think the current gen, other than a few players dont have the work ethic like the ones Ive mentioned above. When you watch Nadal, Djokovic work through the point and the match in their peak. I dont think there's anything any gen can do. Even if you believe in yourself. You need to have the talent and the work put in to match what Djokovic is doing. Which is close to impossible.. The top 3 are just that good.. A cut above the rest.

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Chasing pack need to believe they can topple 'Big Three': Nalbandian

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Former Wimbledon finalist David Nalbandian said the younger players on the men's ATP Tour must start believing in themselves if they are to close the gap on Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal and Novak Djokovic.

Don't know if you guys are familiar with David Nalbandian but I've seen this guy play against the big 3. And I would say that he has a point there, if the young guys are mentally weak and not think that they can overcome the big 3 in Grand Slams, then they are not going to over over against Djokovic or Nadal in the next 2-3 years.

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Adelaide International is on-going with some controversies already,

Drama as Ash Barty crashes out in Adelaide shock defeat.

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There was drama in the match earlier, with Collins accusing the chair umpire of giving Barty preferential treatment because she is the home-country hero at Memorial Drive.

Collins was refused a Hawk Eye review by the chair before Collins angrily accused the official of bias because “she’s an Australian”.

“I am sorry but this is unacceptable,” she bristled towards umpire Tom Sweeney.

Replays showed Collins was right to be angry with the ball judged to have landed out by millimetres.

Collins will face either Aussie Maddison Inglis or Iga Swiatek in the quarter-finals.

Anyhow, Świątek vs Collins was a walk for Świątek as Collins retired.

So it will be Świątek vs Bencic for the Women's final.

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^^ Yup, Federer will be the first one to retire amongst the big 3, but he has accomplished so much throughout his career that there is an argument that he could be the GOAT in modern tennis.

Nadal has a couple of years left in him, while Djokovic is still in his prime and peaking at the right time when the next generation are coming up, but as he said he is not willing to pass the torch yet. How time flies, we kept this thread alive and now we have a lot of members who are joining in the discussions and most of them really know their tennis.

I have said it before and will repeat it again: Federer, for me, will always be the GOAT. Even if Nadal or Djokovic over takes his number of grand slam titels.
Federer is the most naturally talented player with a sublime technique. Lets hope that he can come back strongly afer his injury and maybe win 1 or more grand slams!
I know this will be difficult but if there is one man that can do it, it is Federer.

I agree as I also believe Federer is the GOAT of tennis as it stands right now. Next for me goes Djokovic because like Federer Djokovic he is a well rounded player winning several grand slams in each but like Federer they both only have 1 French Open win. If Nadal can win a few other grand slams and not just the French open then he could be considered the GOAT but right now its Federer for me also. If Djokovic happens to win the French Open this year, then we must really start to take notice as he does have the potential to be the GOAT after all three have finished their careers. The missing award for Federer and Djokovic is the Olympic gold medal for singles where as Nadal has both gold medals for singles and doubles. I think that all three will be pushing for that singles gold medal at Tokyo.

Federer is all over, won on other surfaces so he is a complete tennis player in this modern era. And I will say that I watch him early in his career (2003-2204 if I'm not mistaken), beating Pete Sampras and that is the passing of the torch and I think in 2006 he has the best winnings of anyone else in modern era, winning 3 Grand Slams and other big ATP tournaments. Yes, maybe he misses the Olympic gold medal but he still holds the record for most titles. Obviously, Djokovic can break that but it doesn't mean that he is greater than Federer.

Yes I agree and I also was watching Federer early in his career and we could see very early on that this guy was going to be a great player but I never expected him to be the greatest ever. He does have 1 Olympic gold medal for doubles and a silver for singles so he has done well but I think he would really try and push for the gold medal this year as it will complete everything there is to win in tennis.

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Quote from: vella85 on February 25, 2021, 04:57:15 PM

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^^ Yup, Federer will be the first one to retire amongst the big 3, but he has accomplished so much throughout his career that there is an argument that he could be the GOAT in modern tennis.

Nadal has a couple of years left in him, while Djokovic is still in his prime and peaking at the right time when the next generation are coming up, but as he said he is not willing to pass the torch yet. How time flies, we kept this thread alive and now we have a lot of members who are joining in the discussions and most of them really know their tennis.

I have said it before and will repeat it again: Federer, for me, will always be the GOAT. Even if Nadal or Djokovic over takes his number of grand slam titels.
Federer is the most naturally talented player with a sublime technique. Lets hope that he can come back strongly afer his injury and maybe win 1 or more grand slams!
I know this will be difficult but if there is one man that can do it, it is Federer.

I agree as I also believe Federer is the GOAT of tennis as it stands right now. Next for me goes Djokovic because like Federer Djokovic he is a well rounded player winning several grand slams in each but like Federer they both only have 1 French Open win. If Nadal can win a few other grand slams and not just the French open then he could be considered the GOAT but right now its Federer for me also. If Djokovic happens to win the French Open this year, then we must really start to take notice as he does have the potential to be the GOAT after all three have finished their careers. The missing award for Federer and Djokovic is the Olympic gold medal for singles where as Nadal has both gold medals for singles and doubles. I think that all three will be pushing for that singles gold medal at Tokyo.

Federer is all over, won on other surfaces so he is a complete tennis player in this modern era. And I will say that I watch him early in his career (2003-2204 if I'm not mistaken), beating Pete Sampras and that is the passing of the torch and I think in 2006 he has the best winnings of anyone else in modern era, winning 3 Grand Slams and other big ATP tournaments. Yes, maybe he misses the Olympic gold medal but he still holds the record for most titles. Obviously, Djokovic can break that but it doesn't mean that he is greater than Federer.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 24, 2021, 07:59:15 PM

^^ Yup, Federer will be the first one to retire amongst the big 3, but he has accomplished so much throughout his career that there is an argument that he could be the GOAT in modern tennis.

Nadal has a couple of years left in him, while Djokovic is still in his prime and peaking at the right time when the next generation are coming up, but as he said he is not willing to pass the torch yet. How time flies, we kept this thread alive and now we have a lot of members who are joining in the discussions and most of them really know their tennis.

I have said it before and will repeat it again: Federer, for me, will always be the GOAT. Even if Nadal or Djokovic over takes his number of grand slam titels.
Federer is the most naturally talented player with a sublime technique. Lets hope that he can come back strongly afer his injury and maybe win 1 or more grand slams!
I know this will be difficult but if there is one man that can do it, it is Federer.

I agree as I also believe Federer is the GOAT of tennis as it stands right now. Next for me goes Djokovic because like Federer Djokovic he is a well rounded player winning several grand slams in each but like Federer they both only have 1 French Open win. If Nadal can win a few other grand slams and not just the French open then he could be considered the GOAT but right now its Federer for me also. If Djokovic happens to win the French Open this year, then we must really start to take notice as he does have the potential to be the GOAT after all three have finished their careers. The missing award for Federer and Djokovic is the Olympic gold medal for singles where as Nadal has both gold medals for singles and doubles. I think that all three will be pushing for that singles gold medal at Tokyo.

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Quote from: babygun on February 25, 2021, 04:52:10 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on February 24, 2021, 07:59:15 PM

^^ Yup, Federer will be the first one to retire amongst the big 3, but he has accomplished so much throughout his career that there is an argument that he could be the GOAT in modern tennis.

Nadal has a couple of years left in him, while Djokovic is still in his prime and peaking at the right time when the next generation are coming up, but as he said he is not willing to pass the torch yet. How time flies, we kept this thread alive and now we have a lot of members who are joining in the discussions and most of them really know their tennis.

I have said it before and will repeat it again: Federer, for me, will always be the GOAT. Even if Nadal or Djokovic over takes his number of grand slam titels.
Federer is the most naturally talented player with a sublime technique. Lets hope that he can come back strongly afer his injury and maybe win 1 or more grand slams!
I know this will be difficult but if there is one man that can do it, it is Federer.

I won't argue with you, Federer will a well rounded player among the three of them so my vote goes for him as the GOAT in this generation of tennis players. He also had the outside charisma of an athlete, not just inside the court. So I also wanted to see him go and chase for at least 1 GS this year if his body still permits. And he still has the edge even when face with this batch of new players.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 24, 2021, 07:59:15 PM

^^ Yup, Federer will be the first one to retire amongst the big 3, but he has accomplished so much throughout his career that there is an argument that he could be the GOAT in modern tennis.

Nadal has a couple of years left in him, while Djokovic is still in his prime and peaking at the right time when the next generation are coming up, but as he said he is not willing to pass the torch yet. How time flies, we kept this thread alive and now we have a lot of members who are joining in the discussions and most of them really know their tennis.

I have said it before and will repeat it again: Federer, for me, will always be the GOAT. Even if Nadal or Djokovic over takes his number of grand slam titels.
Federer is the most naturally talented player with a sublime technique. Lets hope that he can come back strongly afer his injury and maybe win 1 or more grand slams!
I know this will be difficult but if there is one man that can do it, it is Federer.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 24, 2021, 07:59:15 PM

^^ Yup, Federer will be the first one to retire amongst the big 3, but he has accomplished so much throughout his career that there is an argument that he could be the GOAT in modern tennis.

Nadal has a couple of years left in him, while Djokovic is still in his prime and peaking at the right time when the next generation are coming up, but as he said he is not willing to pass the torch yet. How time flies, we kept this thread alive and now we have a lot of members who are joining in the discussions and most of them really know their tennis.

Yes i think its time for federer to retire because its difficult for him to compete for the titles because of his age even nadal is a little out of his performance but there is a lot of promissing young players like thiem and medvedev with the potential to replace these big names.

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^^ Yup, Federer will be the first one to retire amongst the big 3, but he has accomplished so much throughout his career that there is an argument that he could be the GOAT in modern tennis.

Nadal has a couple of years left in him, while Djokovic is still in his prime and peaking at the right time when the next generation are coming up, but as he said he is not willing to pass the torch yet. How time flies, we kept this thread alive and now we have a lot of members who are joining in the discussions and most of them really know their tennis.

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