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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on September 10, 2019, 09:47:46 PM

Around 5,000 miles by flight, 4 hours road trip, it's a remote place where you are surrounded by mountains, sea.

Interesting. Was it the Bermuda Triangle by any chance? Kidding! Great to enjoy nature when its peaceful and I can vouch for that. Sad that the future generations might not be able to enjoy in the same manner thanks to global warming.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on September 11, 2019, 01:28:20 AM

Okay, this win basically won my 2nd multi bet tip:
India to win or draw
Australia to win or draw

Your recent multi-bets are all winning bets. You need to place parlay bets(3 fold or 4 fold) more often since you seem to be good at winning them. Risky, but worth it with small amounts.

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Quote from: Avirunes on September 10, 2019, 11:02:20 AM

BTW I love that ICC is kinda giving a weight to Test format now.

Test Championship is a plan from couple of years ago, it's because test format is in threat. People don't watch, enjoy it much because of t20 most probably. You can see the affect too. Some players already have gone retired from test even they have the age. Test championship is for motivating players and bringing back excitement into test.

Welcome back Royse bro.
Pffrt was recently seen online on 10th September but no activity.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 10, 2019, 11:09:11 PM

~snip~

Welcome Back bro

Its nice to have small trip, cut out completely from Phone, Internet and regular life from time to time. everything is going good so far, new series is coming up and Aussie retained the Ashes. Afghanistan won the Test match against the Bangladesh.

Pffrt still missing though. he's not active for some time.

Bangladesh is not in good shape since the WC is confirmed again LOL

England was not a better team in the entire series. The win in the third match was all for Stokes. Group performance was nothing significant. I think Australia is going to win the last test too.

Okay, this win basically won my 2nd multi bet tip:
India to win or draw
Australia to win or draw

Yeah, the trip was very disconnecting with my regular life style. (24/7 online)
I hope Pffrt is well.

Edit: Smith is again unstoppable.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on September 10, 2019, 09:47:46 PM

Feeling good to be back after a week. I was in holiday and it was a holiday with no internet, there were tele but no cable. There were no pre-plan for this holiday. A group of friends came in and asked me to join them, they stayed overnight and in the next morning we headed to the place. Everything was very quick starting from the flight ticket to hotel booking. Around 5,000 miles by flight, 4 hours road trip, it's a remote place where you are surrounded by mountains, sea.

Fresh food, clean air, beautiful nature, camping, mountain claiming, swimming all sorts of do it yourself activities. It was too entertaining and different than my normal lifestyle that I had no idea a week was gone too quick.

Now, back to my regular lifestyle. Missed the forum sometimes but not much. I hope you lot were doing great!

Welcome Back bro

Its nice to have small trip, cut out completely from Phone, Internet and regular life from time to time. everything is going good so far, new series is coming up and Aussie retained the Ashes. Afghanistan won the Test match against the Bangladesh.

Pffrt still missing though. he's not active for some time.

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Feeling good to be back after a week. I was in holiday and it was a holiday with no internet, there were tele but no cable. There were no pre-plan for this holiday. A group of friends came in and asked me to join them, they stayed overnight and in the next morning we headed to the place. Everything was very quick starting from the flight ticket to hotel booking. Around 5,000 miles by flight, 4 hours road trip, it's a remote place where you are surrounded by mountains, sea.

Fresh food, clean air, beautiful nature, camping, mountain claiming, swimming all sorts of do it yourself activities. It was too entertaining and different than my normal lifestyle that I had no idea a week was gone too quick.

Now, back to my regular lifestyle. Missed the forum sometimes but not much. I hope you lot were doing great!

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Quote from: BitSat19 on September 10, 2019, 04:38:32 PM

But if ICC want more interest and some good and quality cricket then they surely try to give equal chance to all teams revenues are also important but you are giving test world championship its need some more work from them.

First of all, their format is wrong. It is not good to include 9 teams in the first division and only 3 in the second division. If there are 12 teams in total, then each of the divisions should be having 6 teams each. Among the "top" 9, there are teams such as Sri Lanka and West Indies, who are not capable of playing against the Big 3. Such teams should be demoted to the division 2.

That will also ensure the competitiveness. If a team continues to perform poorly, then it will be demoted to the second division and won't be able to play against teams such as India and Australia. On the other hand, if a team from the division 2 performs well (such as Afghanistan), then it will be promoted to the first division. Ideally this should be the format, but ICC don't want to antagonize the smaller test playing nations.

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Quote from: deadley on September 10, 2019, 12:08:46 PM

Quote from: Avirunes on September 10, 2019, 11:02:20 AM

Quote from: Little Mouse on September 10, 2019, 10:41:20 AM

It would be better if the ICC put the same number of matches for each team.

I feel also the same. I think it is kinda unfair where one team is getting bigger share of points winning in one match in 3 match series than other team which is getting fairly low points winning one match in 5 match series. They should bring it down to same no. of match for each team and same no. of matches to be played against each team as well.

BTW I love that ICC is kinda giving a weight to Test format now.

But at the end points in single series is equal that is 120, big teams don't want to play many matches with small teams because they don't earn much revenues from those teams/tours.

But if ICC want more interest and some good and quality cricket then they surely try to give equal chance to all teams revenues are also important but you are giving test world championship its need some more work from them.

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Quote from: Avirunes on September 10, 2019, 11:02:20 AM

Quote from: Little Mouse on September 10, 2019, 10:41:20 AM

It would be better if the ICC put the same number of matches for each team.

I feel also the same. I think it is kinda unfair where one team is getting bigger share of points winning in one match in 3 match series than other team which is getting fairly low points winning one match in 5 match series. They should bring it down to same no. of match for each team and same no. of matches to be played against each team as well.

BTW I love that ICC is kinda giving a weight to Test format now.

But at the end points in single series is equal that is 120, big teams don't want to play many matches with small teams because they don't earn much revenues from those teams/tours.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on September 10, 2019, 10:41:20 AM

It would be better if the ICC put the same number of matches for each team.

I feel also the same. I think it is kinda unfair where one team is getting bigger share of points winning in one match in 3 match series than other team which is getting fairly low points winning one match in 5 match series. They should bring it down to same no. of match for each team and same no. of matches to be played against each team as well.

BTW I love that ICC is kinda giving a weight to Test format now.

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I think some of the users are still confused about the World Test Championship with the ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. Not all the test playing nations are taking part in this tournament. Out of the 12 test playing countries (now 11), only 9 are taking part. Ireland and Afghanistan (previously Zimbabwe) as well are part of the Division 2 test championship and don't have the rights to take part in the WTC.

The ICC Cricket World Cup Super League is different. It is an ODI championship and a total of 13 nations are taking part (12 test playing nations + Netherlands). The format is similar to the World Test Championship, with each nation playing against the other at least once during the period. It needs to be seen whether Zimbabwe will be replaced by the 14th ranking team (Scotland?).

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Quote from: erikalui on September 10, 2019, 09:31:28 AM

The other teams are yet to play matches in this test championship and according to the number of matches, their points will be calculated. Regarding how many matches each team will play is inconsistent. I counted that England will play 22 matches, Aus about 19, Ind about 18, NZ 14 so each team gets to play different number of matches then how will they have a fair result. It's all confusing.

Have you checked how much series will each team play? I think each team will have the same amount of series, so matches don't count here as per your previous calculation. It would be better if the ICC put the same number of matches for each team.
By the way, I think Ban vs Afg match is out of the count since this series had only one test.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 10, 2019, 08:11:48 AM

So how about SA, Pakistan and Bangladesh who did not play any single test till yet. Also how many test each team will play and when will the winner of ICC test series will be finalized or announced ?

The other teams are yet to play matches in this test championship and according to the number of matches, their points will be calculated. Regarding how many matches each team will play is inconsistent. I counted that England will play 22 matches, Aus about 19, Ind about 18, NZ 14 so each team gets to play different number of matches then how will they have a fair result. It's all confusing.

Quote from: Little Mouse on September 10, 2019, 08:15:56 AM

That's understandable, I was confused with the calculation from wikipedia. They need to update information, whoever contributed, they need to update it. That makes a fair evaluation for fewer matches series.

I couldn't follow that page but am checking this wikipedia page which has all the details about only this test championship.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 10, 2019, 05:16:53 AM

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Each team plays six series, with each series counting for 120 points, distributed over the number of matches in a series. For example, a two-match series will mean 60 points for each Test while a three-match series will give 40 points to each Test match. A tie will be 50% of the points available, whilst a draw will be a 3:1 points ratio.

That's understandable, I was confused with the calculation from wikipedia. They need to update information, whoever contributed, they need to update it. That makes a fair evaluation for fewer matches series.

Quote from: Murat on September 10, 2019, 05:19:19 AM

I think they would be really embarrassed about playing test cricket for 19 years and still lose against new test-playing countries like Afghanistan.

Bangladesh got ODI status at 1997 and beat Pakistan in 1999 world cup, Ireland beat England on 2011 world cup, for your info, shit happens. Also, Bangladesh is barely a very much strong team in test format.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 10, 2019, 05:16:53 AM

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Each team plays six series, with each series counting for 120 points, distributed over the number of matches in a series. For example, a two-match series will mean 60 points for each Test while a three-match series will give 40 points to each Test match. A tie will be 50% of the points available, whilst a draw will be a 3:1 points ratio.

espncricinfo.com/table/series/19430/icc-world-test-championship and https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/icc-world-test-championship-wtc-2019-rules-schedule-fixtures-matches-league-format-points-system-table-streaming-teams-final-result/article28745189.ece

India won the series so got 120 points from 2 matches. SL and NZ played 2 tests where SL and NZ won one-one so 60 points. ENG and Aus are playing 5 tests which means 24 points each for a win and 8 points for a draw. Aus won twice and had a draw once which means 56 points and England won once and had a draw once means 32 points.

As more matches are played, the points calculation would be even more confusing as so many draws, wins, losses. But this time we have seen that most matches had a result while a draw was only because of the weather ruining 1.5 days. Else that match also would have a result and Eng would get those 24 points.

So how about SA, Pakistan and Bangladesh who did not play any single test till yet. Also how many test each team will play and when will the winner of ICC test series will be finalized or announced ?

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So, rain couldn't protect Bangladesh as they lost with big margin of 224 runs. I think they would be really embarrassed about playing test cricket for 19 years and still lose against new test-playing countries like Afghanistan. We must give credit to the Afghanistan team because they played really really well with the bowl and bat. Rashid khan is a gem for Afghanistan, he is full of talent. I am quite happy to see a team like Afghanistan is developing very well and in the future, they can be a threat to every test playing nation. Perhaps, I am anticipating for the T20 Tri-Nation series between Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and Afghanistan starting from the 13th of this month.

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Each team plays six series, with each series counting for 120 points, distributed over the number of matches in a series. For example, a two-match series will mean 60 points for each Test while a three-match series will give 40 points to each Test match. A tie will be 50% of the points available, whilst a draw will be a 3:1 points ratio.

espncricinfo.com/table/series/19430/icc-world-test-championship and https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/icc-world-test-championship-wtc-2019-rules-schedule-fixtures-matches-league-format-points-system-table-streaming-teams-final-result/article28745189.ece

India won the series so got 120 points from 2 matches. SL and NZ played 2 tests where SL and NZ won one-one so 60 points. ENG and Aus are playing 5 tests which means 24 points each for a win and 8 points for a draw. Aus won twice and had a draw once which means 56 points and England won once and had a draw once means 32 points.

As more matches are played, the points calculation would be even more confusing as so many draws, wins, losses. But this time we have seen that most matches had a result while a draw was only because of the weather ruining 1.5 days. Else that match also would have a result and Eng would get those 24 points.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 09, 2019, 12:18:51 PM

Can't get how these points are being calculated. After winning 2 games and drawn 1, how come Aus has lesser points than SL that has won only one game and drawn 1? Aus has won the first test by 251 runs and the 4th test by 185 runs.

If wikipedia is correct, SL has good test records in the last years, although I am not certain how this calculation has been done. Also, it follows the calculation shown in wikipedia, why teams previous records will be counted? Will not it be over-estimated/under-estimated?

Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 09, 2019, 08:35:11 PM

From what I have heard, Afghanistan receives much lower ICC funding when compared to Zimbabwe.

According to this stats, Zimbabwe will be receiving $94 million throughout 2016-2023, India being top will receive $293 million, England will be receiving $143 million while the rest 7 full members will $132 million each.

Who are the rest 7 full members as per then time? I assume Afghanistan wasn't there.

Again, the associate members will receive a total of $280 million, which includes 92 teams at the moment. If Afghanistan was an associate member, they get a little amount but they are not anymore associate member.
Since they have been promoted to full member, they must be paid $132 m, which is far above than Zimbabwe.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 08:08:30 AM

I think it is worth looking at the ICC World Test Championship table now.

Interesting. This table will see many teams switching positions back and forth for quite a while and I am simply interested in the final results in 2021 which is why I would not pay much attention to these rankings currently.

Quote from: akhjob on September 09, 2019, 09:05:37 AM

I wouldn't say that Luck favoured them, they won because of their exemplary performance. Afghans would have finished the game on the 4th day itself, if the rain didn't interrupt the match.

Luck did favor them and you answered the question yourself. If it would have rained again, Bangladesh could have a better chance at a draw here. Afghanistan truly deserved this win.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 09, 2019, 12:53:09 PM

It was like Bangladesh committing suicide by themselves. They made the pitch too friendly for the spinners, disregarding the fact that the Afghan lineup had at least one world class spinner (Rashid Khan). And now they have a loss against their name, and that too at home versus a team that was just promoted as a test playing nation.

It is most common for the home side to make a pitch that suites their bowlers and that came back and bit them hard because the new team in world cricket just happen to have a world class talented spinner in Rashid Khan, it was not a fluke upset but a commanding performance by the Afghan players and they deserve to be in the Test level than Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe remains suspended from all forms of cricket, and therefore we don't need any comparison with them. For sure, Afghanistan is many times more talented when compared to Zimbabwe. I would like Zimbabwe's membership terminated from the ICC. They were given too many chances and hundreds of millions of USD in ICC revenue have been wasted over them.

From what I have heard, Afghanistan receives much lower ICC funding when compared to Zimbabwe. This needs to change. Better performing teams deserve a bigger slice of the ICC revenues. And any funding given to the ZCB is sure to be stolen, due to the political climate prevailing over there. Tough decisions needs to be taken and unfortunately that is not going to augur well for Zimbabwe.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 09, 2019, 12:18:51 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 08:08:30 AM

I think it is worth looking at the ICC World Test Championship table now.

Can't get how these points are being calculated. After winning 2 games and drawn 1, how come Aus has lesser points than SL that has won only one game and drawn 1? Aus has won the first test by 251 runs and the 4th test by 185 runs.

I was thinking the same mate but then I thought that maybe they deduct points for a loss and for a draw. That's the only way this can make sense so it looks like for a loss the team loses 60 points and for a draw its 4 points but then it doesn't make sense for England as they have lost 2 matches and only won 1 so they should be on 0 points? I hope someone can explain how the points are calculated because it doesn't make much sense.

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