There is an unofficial test ongoing between India A and South Africa A at Mysore. The match will most likely end up in draw, but there were a few good performances from the fringe players. For India, Shubman Gill, Karun Nair, Wriddhiman Saha and Shivam Dube made half centuries, and Kuldeep Yadav picked up 4 wickets. Shahbaz Nadeem is also closer to a senior side call up, after he nabbed 3.
For the South Africans, both Wiaan Mulder and Aiden Markram made centuries. The 21-year old Mulder picked up 3 wickets as well. His performance just confirms the level of talent available in South Africa. But the problem for the South Africans comes from retaining such talent. With dozens of players lost to countries such as England and Australia, the performance of the South African team is suffering.
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September 19, 2019, 08:10:12 PM
September 19, 2019, 03:55:47 PM
The Sun is one of the largest media mouthpieces in England. In normal cases, I would never expect them to publish something as sensitive as this article, without looking in to the legal and ethical aspects. I am 100% sure that they made sure that they will be able to defend themselves before deciding to print this piece of news.
The incident they published about Stokes is a true event even though it happened several years ago and hence they might think that they will be having a legal protection as they did not publish anything that is not true, but morally it was not a good job to publish a tragedy that happened even before he was born and to make a news headlines when he was playing really well and made these amazing performance, i am sure if these were published before the Ashes there would be a public outcry because it will affect his performance and hence they would have lost the Ashes, the timing of the publication was also well thought by them. 
September 19, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
Alright, thanks. I googled a bit and found that article. I personally think that The Sun is not lying here when it says that they took permission from Stokes' family before publishing that article, as Ben Stokes has remained absolutely silent regarding that sentence of the article till now. I hope that he replies soon if it's a lie.
The Sun is one of the largest media mouthpieces in England. In normal cases, I would never expect them to publish something as sensitive as this article, without looking in to the legal and ethical aspects. I am 100% sure that they made sure that they will be able to defend themselves before deciding to print this piece of news.
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September 19, 2019, 06:18:05 AM
Ben said he is not going to tolerate it. But there one no clear indication if he will take legal aid or not.
He also said,
He also said,
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I am aware that my public profile brings with it consequences for me that I accept entirely. But I will not allow my public profile to be used as an excuse to invade the rights of my parents, my wife, my children or other family members. They are entitled to a private life of their own
Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/ashes/ben-stokes-the-sun-newspaper-family-story-brother-ashes-2019-a9108401.html 
September 19, 2019, 06:13:24 AM
If I was you then I would not post the link publicly. I think that's a kind of win for The Sun.
+1Although it has already gone viral, I support your intention to keep it private as much as possible. This is ridiculous. People have their own personal life. Media has no right to publish anything they want. Ben must go for legal action against it.
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September 19, 2019, 05:18:23 AM
But in case the tabloid had his prior approval, then Ben has no reason to complain.
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He was contacted prior to publication and at no stage did he or his representatives ask us not to publish the story.
I certainly do not believe the media, they can do or tell anything to keep them look fair. They knew it will be a great story.
What I learnt is that they when they approached to Ben and his wife for interview then he and his family did not respond to it which means they were not okay with it, no rocket science.
Can you let me know what exactly they are pointing out for the strokes in this particular case ? I am unable to understand the whole story here. 
I do not want to publicly post it here. This news is better not to share in public (The media actually want it). I will PM you.^^^^ I guess that was from the explanation published by the Sun, after Ben Stokes expressed his outrage. I don't want to criticize him at this point, especially in such a sensitive subject. But you can't expect a media giant like The Sun to publish some personal information, without getting prior permission from the individuals who are involved. They are claiming that they had informed Stokes, and he raised no objection at that point. If Stokes think that this is a lie, then let him go ahead with legal action.
I would advice these guys to stop fooling people. The same thing he tried during the world cup finals. He was happy when he got 6 runs from the overthrow. When the fans reacted negatively to that, he claimed that he had asked the umpires to reverse their decision (a claim which was rubbished by the same umpires later).
Here is the explanation from The Sun (at the very bottom):
If I was you then I would not post the link publicly. I think that's a kind of win for The Sun. I would advice these guys to stop fooling people. The same thing he tried during the world cup finals. He was happy when he got 6 runs from the overthrow. When the fans reacted negatively to that, he claimed that he had asked the umpires to reverse their decision (a claim which was rubbished by the same umpires later).
Here is the explanation from The Sun (at the very bottom):
September 19, 2019, 05:08:33 AM
Don't believe everything you read. No one can be completely sure about who is at fault here(Stokes is the same controversial dude who engaged in bar fights and almost ruined his Cricket career earlier).
Bar fights are not an uncommon thing but if a celebrity is involved in any fights then the media will go after them and will not even look what caused the tension so that the fight was initiated. These athletes are super fit and if some drunk dick starts picking on them they will respond and it might end up in a brawl. I am not sure what the situation here regarding who authorized the media to publishing a tragedy which is occurred well before his birth, it will have an traumatic effect on the person involved who suffered these incidents and that is his mom.
September 19, 2019, 02:46:45 AM
Sorry Stokesi, you are going through this. My support is with you.
Don't believe everything you read. No one can be completely sure about who is at fault here(Stokes is the same controversial dude who engaged in bar fights and almost ruined his Cricket career earlier). Sad that this has transpired, but I cannot say with 100% certainty that Sun is to be blamed for this. His professional life has taken off into the stratosphere while his personal life is still controversial. Wish something like this could have been avoided.
September 18, 2019, 08:28:50 PM
^^^^ I guess that was from the explanation published by the Sun, after Ben Stokes expressed his outrage. I don't want to criticize him at this point, especially in such a sensitive subject. But you can't expect a media giant like The Sun to publish some personal information, without getting prior permission from the individuals who are involved. They are claiming that they had informed Stokes, and he raised no objection at that point. If Stokes think that this is a lie, then let him go ahead with legal action.
I would advice these guys to stop fooling people. The same thing he tried during the world cup finals. He was happy when he got 6 runs from the overthrow. When the fans reacted negatively to that, he claimed that he had asked the umpires to reverse their decision (a claim which was rubbished by the same umpires later).
Here is the explanation from The Sun (at the very bottom):
I would advice these guys to stop fooling people. The same thing he tried during the world cup finals. He was happy when he got 6 runs from the overthrow. When the fans reacted negatively to that, he claimed that he had asked the umpires to reverse their decision (a claim which was rubbished by the same umpires later).
Here is the explanation from The Sun (at the very bottom):
September 18, 2019, 11:15:35 AM
^^^ If this story was published without the permission from Ben Stokes, then I would sympathize with him. But it looks like the Sun had sought prior permission from Stokes and at no point of time he objected to the story being published in the tabloid. I don't know who is saying the truth and who is lying. But in case the tabloid had his prior approval, then Ben has no reason to complain.
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He was contacted prior to publication and at no stage did he or his representatives ask us not to publish the story.
September 18, 2019, 11:10:40 AM
Sun probably ran out of the Page 3 business. I mean seriously these journalist has no respect for people's private life. All they want is their name to be sold out and money from advertising.
Ref: https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1173893834377441280
Sorry Stokesi, you are going through this. My support is with you.
Ref: https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1173893834377441280
Sorry Stokesi, you are going through this. My support is with you.
I do know that media will not spare any news and will try to sell their stories to get the fame and publicity.
Can you let me know what exactly they are pointing out for the strokes in this particular case ? I am unable to understand the whole story here.
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September 18, 2019, 04:28:31 AM
Sun probably ran out of the Page 3 business. I mean seriously these journalist has no respect for people's private life. All they want is their name to be sold out and money from advertising.
Ref: https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1173893834377441280
Sorry Stokesi, you are going through this. My support is with you.
Ref: https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1173893834377441280
Sorry Stokesi, you are going through this. My support is with you.
September 18, 2019, 12:45:47 AM
The main reason for Ricky Ponting suggesting Warner for the Pak tour is that he has better stats against pak in Tests. While his overall test average is 45.48, his average against Pak is 66.11 scoring 3 100s and 2 50s in 9 innings.
September 17, 2019, 11:20:29 PM
Guess you forgot Matt Renshaw. he was 20ish when he played his first Test Match for Australia.
It is very surprising that none of you remember Pat Cummins. He was 18 years and 193 days, when he made his debut against South Africa at Johannesburg in 2011. He made his first class debut for Tasmania at the age of 17. Normally Australian first class sides doesn't regularly feature teenagers, but Tasmania with its limited player pool sometimes give chances to younger players.
You are right bro, but don't need to be surprise
My comment was counter argument to @bryant.coleman. i left out Aston Agar too because both him and Cummins debuted at 2013 and 2011 respectively and presenting recent example make much more sense to me.
September 17, 2019, 07:50:06 PM
Warner is going to play against Pakistan its good decision by Australian Selectors because overall his record is very good against Pakistan and he can bring back his form as Pakistan is suffering some serious troubles in bowling after Aamir and Wahab and this is very good time for Warner to set his all averages.
Once again the selectors are moving in the wrong direction by selecting Warner. Pakistan is not a very tough opponent, and they could have rested Warner and give that extra slot to some younger player. It is surprising to see the selectors sticking with a batsman after failing consecutively for 10 innings. I don't know whether any other batsman has ever received this much largesse.
Warner showed a lot of weakness during the Ashes. He was dismissed by the same bowler 7 times and he is going to be vulnerable against the quick bowlers of Pakistan. The official statement regarding selection hasn't come yet, but Ricky Ponting has said that Warner's selection is "certain". One bright spot is that they have decided to include Will Pucovski in the squad.
September 17, 2019, 05:09:03 PM
1. Warner average is 45ish in the test with 21 tons, even after performing bad. how many Test opener comes to your mind in recent time with this number?
2. Usman Khawaja average is 40ish in test and guess you forgot he made 750ish run in the last calendar year.
These are the exact reasons why I feel that retaining Warner was a smart choice despite his bad form lately. Whenever a player performs badly, the first thought that comes to anyone's mind is dropping him which is not a smart move.2. Usman Khawaja average is 40ish in test and guess you forgot he made 750ish run in the last calendar year.
Warner will be back, but Khawaja is a great 2nd choice. I don't think they need to experiment with anyone else currently. These 2 are great openers and they have proven that time and time again.
September 17, 2019, 03:41:39 PM
Warner is going to play against Pakistan its good decision by Australian Selectors because overall his record is very good against Pakistan and he can bring back his form as Pakistan is suffering some serious troubles in bowling after Aamir and Wahab and this is very good time for Warner to set his all averages.
When is that series starting and where it is hosted, if it is in Australia then Warner might regain his confidence and play a better game but if the series is scheduled in UAE then it will be really dry pitch which helps spinners a lot and if Warner is not able to perform in the next series then he will be playing his farewell innings in the longer format of the game. Who are the front line bowlers for Pakistan in Test matches. September 17, 2019, 03:30:30 PM
Warner is going to play against Pakistan its good decision by Australian Selectors because overall his record is very good against Pakistan and he can bring back his form as Pakistan is suffering some serious troubles in bowling after Aamir and Wahab and this is very good time for Warner to set his all averages.
When is that series starting and where it is hosted, if it is in Australia then Warner might regain his confidence and play a better game but if the series is scheduled in UAE then it will be really dry pitch which helps spinners a lot and if Warner is not able to perform in the next series then he will be playing his farewell innings in the longer format of the game. Who are the front line bowlers for Pakistan in Test matches. September 17, 2019, 02:34:30 PM
1. Warner average is 45ish in the test with 21 tons, even after performing bad. how many Test opener comes to your mind in recent time with this number?
2. Usman Khawaja average is 40ish in test and guess you forgot he made 750ish run in the last calendar year.
These are the exact reasons why I feel that retaining Warner was a smart choice despite his bad form lately. Whenever a player performs badly, the first thought that comes to anyone's mind is dropping him which is not a smart move.2. Usman Khawaja average is 40ish in test and guess you forgot he made 750ish run in the last calendar year.
Warner will be back, but Khawaja is a great 2nd choice. I don't think they need to experiment with anyone else currently. These 2 are great openers and they have proven that time and time again.
September 17, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
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I don't remember the last time a teenager made international debut for Australia. Even Ricky Ponting was 20-years old when he made his test debut back in 1995. Their first class cricket is also aging, and the senior sides usually don't field any teenagers (on the other hand in India and England, you can find so many teenagers representing the domestic sides).
Guess you forgot Matt Renshaw. he was 20ish when he played his first Test Match for Australia.
It is very surprising that none of you remember Pat Cummins. He was 18 years and 193 days, when he made his debut against South Africa at Johannesburg in 2011. He made his first class debut for Tasmania at the age of 17. Normally Australian first class sides doesn't regularly feature teenagers, but Tasmania with its limited player pool sometimes give chances to younger players.
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