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Anyone watching the first test between England and New Zealand? England lost their first wicket (Zak Crawley) in the first over, but then Ben Duckett have been playing ever since in T20 style. So far he has got 60 runs from 48 balls (and remember that this is a test match), with the Kiwi bowlers getting smashed all around the park. Ollie Pope at the other end have been a bit more subtle, scoring 18 runs from 24 balls. Most of the New Zealand bowlers have gone for over 6 runs per over, including Neil Wagner, Blair Tickner and Scott Kuggeleijn.
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Yes, I do not know what Zimbabwe are doing in international Cricket, with their bad track record for test Cricket.  Roll Eyes Just have a look at these stats... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Zimbabwe_Test_cricket_records
I think there are some people that are saying that 3rd world countries should get exposure to "real" competition to develop them, but you do not do this on top tier tournaments.  Roll Eyes
Money matters. For the Zimbabwe cricket board there is good potential to earn revenue through media rights and sponsorship, if the national team plays against top test sides. If they play against associate nations, this is not guaranteed. Also, there is always a threat of getting destroyed in the field by teams such as Namibia and Netherlands. If that happens, then naturally the question comes to why Zimbabwe is still a test nation, with access to $12 million in annual funds from the ICC. By not playing against the associate sides, the Zimbabwean board can deflect this question.
My proposal is to have multiple tiers in test cricket with a promotion-relegation system. There should not be permanent test status, especially for teams such as Zimbabwe. I am not going into too much detail, because I have already posted this multiple times. If the ICC is worried about Zimbabwe so much, then they need to revamp the admin structure and eradicate corruption within ZC rather than increasing the fund allocation.

We have already talked about this many times. The tier system is not going to exist in cricket in my opinion. Because all the bigger teams in cricket are going to play against the weaker opponent whenever they feel like they need to improve their confidence. And that is not going to happen if there is a tier system. That can be very bad for the big teams because then they will find themselves in fear of getting relegated. And we all know that the PIG4  is going to oppose the idea of the tier system.
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West Indies vs Zimbabwe Test Match. West Indies won by 4 runs.
their score,
Zimbabwe. 115 and 173
Windies 292
Man of the Match and Man of the Series Gudakesh Motie.
Gudakesh Motie took 7 wickets in the first innings and 6 wickets in the second innings. He collected 13 wickets in this match.

As far as I know past history Zimbabwe and West Indies are two superpowers in the cricket world.The game of cricket has become very popular among people nowadays and even many people are betting based on this game.
The mighty West Indies beat Zimbabwe by four runs and an innings in the Test match between Zimbabwe and West Indies.
Only one individual has completed a half-century for West Indies.He is Raymon Reifer.


Scorecard Of West Indies First innings
292/10

Scorecard Of Zimbabwe 1st and 2nd innings
115/10
173/10

West Indies won by an innings and 4 runs

Venue
Queens Sports Club, Bulawayo

Umpires
Langton Rusere (ZIM), Paul Reiffel (AUS)

Third Umpire
Iknow Chabi (ZIM)

Match Referee
Jeff Crowe (NZ)
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This is a pitch for 2nd test.  Roll Eyes

Looks similar to the Nagpur pitch but here in Kotla things could be a bit slow as most of the time first 2 days are good to bat on and some assistance to fast bowlers.


I think I am saying this for the first time, In the bowling department India is too good. The problem lies in the batting order, especially the middle order which is basically in shambles. KL Rahul is another player who has shown that he is struggling to play both as an offensive and defensive batter. I am expecting Ishan Kishan to be part of the playing 11 and Bharat might get dropped. Bharat also failed to bat in the last match. Iyer is also fit so he will come and replace SKY.
KL will play at least 1 more match as the squad is announced for 2 tests and they would argue that India batted only 1 time in the Nagpur test so KL deserves another go. There is a possibility that KL might score some useful runs and cement his spot for the series, followed by more failures (that's my worry), although i won't mind if he scores runs as team will benefit.

Shreyas should walk in easily if he's completely fit and SKY would be dropped as he got a chance only because of Shreyas's injury. Bharat is fixed in the middle order for now, it was his maiden test so he should get a long rope.
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This is a pitch for 2nd test.  Roll Eyes

Looks similar to the Nagpur pitch but here in Kotla things could be a bit slow as most of the time first 2 days are good to bat on and some assistance to fast bowlers.


I think I am saying this for the first time, In the bowling department India is too good. The problem lies in the batting order, especially the middle order which is basically in shambles. KL Rahul is another player who has shown that he is struggling to play both as an offensive and defensive batter. I am expecting Ishan Kishan to be part of the playing 11 and Bharat might get dropped. Bharat also failed to bat in the last match. Iyer is also fit so he will come and replace SKY.
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This is a pitch for 2nd test.  Roll Eyes

Looks similar to the Nagpur pitch but here in Kotla things could be a bit slow as most of the time first 2 days are good to bat on and some assistance to fast bowlers.

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Yes, I do not know what Zimbabwe are doing in international Cricket, with their bad track record for test Cricket.  Roll Eyes Just have a look at these stats... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Zimbabwe_Test_cricket_records

I think there are some people that are saying that 3rd world countries should get exposure to "real" competition to develop them, but you do not do this on top tier tournaments.  Roll Eyes

Money matters. For the Zimbabwe cricket board there is good potential to earn revenue through media rights and sponsorship, if the national team plays against top test sides. If they play against associate nations, this is not guaranteed. Also, there is always a threat of getting destroyed in the field by teams such as Namibia and Netherlands. If that happens, then naturally the question comes to why Zimbabwe is still a test nation, with access to $12 million in annual funds from the ICC. By not playing against the associate sides, the Zimbabwean board can deflect this question.

My proposal is to have multiple tiers in test cricket with a promotion-relegation system. There should not be permanent test status, especially for teams such as Zimbabwe. I am not going into too much detail, because I have already posted this multiple times. If the ICC is worried about Zimbabwe so much, then they need to revamp the admin structure and eradicate corruption within ZC rather than increasing the fund allocation.
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An impressive debut for the spinner Gudakesh Mote as he takes 19 wickets in two test matches and having 13 in this second which give a big win to his team by an inning and 4 runs against Zimbabwe within just three days of this test match is good for them now with this they could feel better as now they are heading for the tour of South Africa where they will play two test matches as well but here in second inning while they were trailing by 177 runs fail to do as this was required and lost all their wickets quickly which is surely big problem for them in test format because they still have no enough quality and performance for this format and ICC is also not doing anything for having better performance from few weaker sides in this format which is already living on ventilator.

I wonder why Zimbabwe always want to play test cricket against the tier-1 test nations. Nothing is wrong in that, but from what we have seen, they are unable to compete in a meaningful manner. And at the same time, they have this aversion for the associate members. When was the last time that they played against some of their neighbors, such as Namibia, Kenya and Uganda? Even at this point, I am sure that Namibia will be able to defeat Zimbabwe in cricket (in any of the formats). But then Zimbabwe refuses to play against these countries and therefore we never know.

Yes, I do not know what Zimbabwe are doing in international Cricket, with their bad track record for test Cricket.  Roll Eyes Just have a look at these stats... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Zimbabwe_Test_cricket_records

I think there are some people that are saying that 3rd world countries should get exposure to "real" competition to develop them, but you do not do this on top tier tournaments.  Roll Eyes
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West Indies vs Zimbabwe Test Match. West Indies won by 4 runs.
their score,
Zimbabwe. 115 and 173
Windies 292
Man of the Match and Man of the Series Gudakesh Motie.
Gudakesh Motie took 7 wickets in the first innings and 6 wickets in the second innings. He collected 13 wickets in this match.
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An impressive debut for the spinner Gudakesh Mote as he takes 19 wickets in two test matches and having 13 in this second which give a big win to his team by an inning and 4 runs against Zimbabwe within just three days of this test match is good for them now with this they could feel better as now they are heading for the tour of South Africa where they will play two test matches as well but here in second inning while they were trailing by 177 runs fail to do as this was required and lost all their wickets quickly which is surely big problem for them in test format because they still have no enough quality and performance for this format and ICC is also not doing anything for having better performance from few weaker sides in this format which is already living on ventilator.

I wonder why Zimbabwe always want to play test cricket against the tier-1 test nations. Nothing is wrong in that, but from what we have seen, they are unable to compete in a meaningful manner. And at the same time, they have this aversion for the associate members. When was the last time that they played against some of their neighbors, such as Namibia, Kenya and Uganda? Even at this point, I am sure that Namibia will be able to defeat Zimbabwe in cricket (in any of the formats). But then Zimbabwe refuses to play against these countries and therefore we never know.
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2nd Test: West Indies win by an innings and four runs. With 6 wickets in the second innings, Gudakesh Motie finishes with 13 wickets in the game. Apart from Craig Ervine and Kaia, Zimbabwe's top order does not meet the standards of test cricket. Due to the lack of effective partnership, Zimbabwe was unable to avoid an innings defeat. In under two sessions, the West Indies managed to knock out Zimbabwe. In his innings, Craig Ervine scored 72 runs, but could not avoid an innings defeat.
An impressive debut for the spinner Gudakesh Mote as he takes 19 wickets in two test matches and having 13 in this second which give a big win to his team by an inning and 4 runs against Zimbabwe within just three days of this test match is good for them now with this they could feel better as now they are heading for the tour of South Africa where they will play two test matches as well but here in second inning while they were trailing by 177 runs fail to do as this was required and lost all their wickets quickly which is surely big problem for them in test format because they still have no enough quality and performance for this format and ICC is also not doing anything for having better performance from few weaker sides in this format which is already living on ventilator.
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Just the second day of the match over and West Indies already leading by 179 runs is really good. The match is in control of the West Indies team. Tomorrow somehow West Indies will end its innings with 200+ runs lead. Zimbabwe to the maximum could score 300 runs and the same too a dream. Probably the match reaches the result by the fourth day.
West Indies has ended their first innings with a lead of 177 runs, and it was enough to win against Zimbabwe by an innings. The match has ended within the day 3. I have won the bet which I had placed on West Indies yesterday. The odds wasn't bad in such condition of the match.


Zimbabwe is extremely weak in test format rather than t20 or ODIs, their performances are below average in recent deriss with west indies. 
In 2nd Test Zimbabwe lost from an innings and 7 runs , Craig Ervine scored 72 runs and innocent kaia a ored 42 runs that's all ,other than that no player did anything in this series.
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Just the second day of the match over and West Indies already leading by 179 runs is really good. The match is in control of the West Indies team. Tomorrow somehow West Indies will end its innings with 200+ runs lead. Zimbabwe to the maximum could score 300 runs and the same too a dream. Probably the match reaches the result by the fourth day.
West Indies has ended their first innings with a lead of 177 runs, and it was enough to win against Zimbabwe by an innings. The match has ended within the day 3. I have won the bet which I had placed on West Indies yesterday. The odds wasn't bad in such condition of the match.

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It seems like the West Indies can win the match by an inning as well. This is the second time Innocent Kaia scored high scored from his team, and almost everyone failed to score some decent runs. Captain Craig Ervine is still on the crease, but it won't make a difference if other side batters come and goes. Congratulations to Nyauchi for his maiden five-wicket haul. This is remarkable for his career, but he won't be happy with the match result as they are going to lose this match. Let's see if Craig Ervine can make a difference. At least bring back West Indies to the crease to score runs.
I think only one player is not responsible for team victory, all starting XI will perform inorder to win any series or match, but this thing is not happening in Zimbabwe squad because they didn't get any lesson after defeat from westindies team in first test matches of this series and again lose this second test match of this series from westindies by 4 runs and an inning and also lose this series too by 2-0, I think Zimbabwe should give chance to new young player who can make difference in match result for his national team.
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It seems like the West Indies can win the match by an inning as well. This is the second time Innocent Kaia scored high scored from his team, and almost everyone failed to score some decent runs. Captain Craig Ervine is still on the crease, but it won't make a difference if other side batters come and goes. Congratulations to Nyauchi for his maiden five-wicket haul. This is remarkable for his career, but he won't be happy with the match result as they are going to lose this match. Let's see if Craig Ervine can make a difference. At least bring back West Indies to the crease to score runs.
Zimbabwe trail 19 runs and three wickets left. So, this isn't going to be a innings win for West Indies. Craig Ervine is in good form scoring 69 runs out of 99 balls. There is no one to support as the bottom order is on the crease. Possibly the innings will reach maximum of 200 runs. Zimbabwe needs more improvement and West Indies bowlers are good form. Gudakesh Motie have bowled well in the second innings taking 4 wickets with an economy less than 3.5rpo
2nd Test: West Indies win by an innings and four runs. With 6 wickets in the second innings, Gudakesh Motie finishes with 13 wickets in the game. Apart from Craig Ervine and Kaia, Zimbabwe's top order does not meet the standards of test cricket. Due to the lack of effective partnership, Zimbabwe was unable to avoid an innings defeat. In under two sessions, the West Indies managed to knock out Zimbabwe. In his innings, Craig Ervine scored 72 runs, but could not avoid an innings defeat.
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It seems like the West Indies can win the match by an inning as well. This is the second time Innocent Kaia scored high scored from his team, and almost everyone failed to score some decent runs. Captain Craig Ervine is still on the crease, but it won't make a difference if other side batters come and goes. Congratulations to Nyauchi for his maiden five-wicket haul. This is remarkable for his career, but he won't be happy with the match result as they are going to lose this match. Let's see if Craig Ervine can make a difference. At least bring back West Indies to the crease to score runs.
Zimbabwe trail 19 runs and three wickets left. So, this isn't going to be a innings win for West Indies. Craig Ervine is in good form scoring 69 runs out of 99 balls. There is no one to support as the bottom order is on the crease. Possibly the innings will reach maximum of 200 runs. Zimbabwe needs more improvement and West Indies bowlers are good form. Gudakesh Motie have bowled well in the second innings taking 4 wickets with an economy less than 3.5rpo
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It seems like the West Indies can win the match by an inning as well. This is the second time Innocent Kaia scored high scored from his team, and almost everyone failed to score some decent runs. Captain Craig Ervine is still on the crease, but it won't make a difference if other side batters come and goes. Congratulations to Nyauchi for his maiden five-wicket haul. This is remarkable for his career, but he won't be happy with the match result as they are going to lose this match. Let's see if Craig Ervine can make a difference. At least bring back West Indies to the crease to score runs.
Zimbabwe's performance was much better in West Indies' first Test against Zimbabwe. The result of the first test match was a draw, I thought maybe Zimbabwe would be able to maintain the consistency of their performance in the second test but the opposite happened. Except innocent Kaia, no one could show good performance in this test. Zimbabwe almost lost in the second Test.  115 runs in the first innings in the second innings so far 7 wickets have fallen for 137 runs. Zimbabwe are trailing by 40 runs so far. Team captain Craig Ervine remained unbeaten with a top score of 57 runs. But his wicket was the only one to avoid an innings defeat. It goes without saying that Zimbabwe will surely lose the second Test.
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It seems like the West Indies can win the match by an inning as well. This is the second time Innocent Kaia scored high scored from his team, and almost everyone failed to score some decent runs. Captain Craig Ervine is still on the crease, but it won't make a difference if other side batters come and goes. Congratulations to Nyauchi for his maiden five-wicket haul. This is remarkable for his career, but he won't be happy with the match result as they are going to lose this match. Let's see if Craig Ervine can make a difference. At least bring back West Indies to the crease to score runs.
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@Sithara007 the ICC has not bothered in so many years about this issue, so what makes you think that they’ll suddenly care about reducing funds for Zimbabwe?. Furthermore the start of the third day seems to be delayed, and I don’t think that Zimbabwe can escape with a draw hence it’s clear that a big humiliating defeat is coming their way.

Unless there is rain, the match may get completed by today itself. Zimbabwe are struggling at 15/2, and need another 162 runs to avoid innings defeat. And 64 overs remain in today's play, which should be enough for the West Indian bowlers to take the remaining 8 wickets. Craig Ervine maybe able to delay the inevitable for a while, but their playing XI doesn't have any other experienced batsmen. Even if rain interruption occurs today, two more days remain and I don't really think that Zimbabwe can save this match. And there are hardly any positives for them to take away from this series as a whole.
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West Indies already have a lead of 175 runs, and there is a good chance that they may not be required to bat again. Zimbabwe once again proved that they are competitive only when Sikandar Raza is in the team. But he is participating in the PSL, so can't rescue them this time around (BTW he played his last test match for Zimbabwe almost 2 years ago). My advice to Zimbabwe would be to restrict themselves in test format against teams such as Ireland. If they play against the tier-1 test nations, due to the gap in player skills the matches will turn out to be too much one-sided.

So far this series has served it's purpose to improve the personal stats of some of the players. Tagenarine Chanderpaul and Gudakesh Motie would be happy about what they have achieved so far. But the ICC needs to take in to account these mismatches. They need to decide whether Zimbabwe should be allowed to play in test format, against tier-1 countries.
Most chances we will have this test match ended today or tomorrow early which could be good for them because now West Indies is in complete control, and they will not allow home team Zimbabwe to have anything good while their batting is struggling but good thing happening for the West Indies as now they are having few youngsters which can give them better results in test format even now I have feeling few countries need to change their strategy and stop playing test and ODI with having only T20i teams will be also beneficial for them because with these teams can improve their quality, and they also can do good domestic set up for this set up with West Indies, Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan these all are just wasting their time and energy for the two formats with good results can achieve with just work on one format.
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