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Pakistan needs to focus on Test matches. Pakistani team needs to practice more to beat Australia. Pakistan mostly focusing on T20 Matches. We can see they are holding PSL for this purpose.
And you are right we also didn't see Pakistan well in ICC World cup. They did not perform like that which we were expecting. So still they need to practice more. Pakistan should focus all of three formats ODI Test and T20

Absolutely, emphasizing Test matches is crucial for overall team development. Do you think the increasing focus on Test cricket will positively impact Pakistan's performance against Australia? Additionally, with the disappointment in the ICC World Cup, how do you envision Pakistan balancing its emphasis on all three formats for sustained improvement?"

There is no substitute for Test cricket to produce good cricketers which is slowly disappearing. Earlier the performance of Test cricket was very much considered in player selection but nowadays that is different. Now separate squads are kept for each format. Who plays Test may not be T20. Again, those who play T20 may not stay in Tests. But the idea that those who do well in tests are good at all formats but that is not accepted in this era. Otherwise Test cricket is now under threat since the short form of cricket gained popularity. If the Pakistan team is not well organized then Pakistan will not be able to show a very good performance with this team. They have lost two consecutive Tests against Australia and I think they will lose the 3rd Test too.

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Steve Waugh mentioned that test cricket is getting affected badly thanks to T10 and T20 leagues which is why he wants the ICC and other top boards like the BCCI to intervene and save it which is something that I agree with.

South Africa is sending a second string squad to New Zealand thanks to their main players being occupied which is just one example. Am not a fan of test cricket, but I don't want it to disappear.

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Quote from: Publictalk792 on January 01, 2024, 07:05:27 AM

Pakistan needs to focus on Test matches. Pakistani team needs to practice more to beat Australia. Pakistan mostly focusing on T20 Matches. We can see they are holding PSL for this purpose.
And you are right we also didn't see Pakistan well in ICC World cup. They did not perform like that which we were expecting. So still they need to practice more. Pakistan should focus all of three formats ODI Test and T20

Absolutely, emphasizing Test matches is crucial for overall team development. Do you think the increasing focus on Test cricket will positively impact Pakistan's performance against Australia? Additionally, with the disappointment in the ICC World Cup, how do you envision Pakistan balancing its emphasis on all three formats for sustained improvement?"

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Quote from: Minor Miner on January 01, 2024, 03:27:43 AM

The condition of Pakistan team is very bad now. And this is due to erratic and poor batting by their batsmen. The status of Bangladesh and Pakistan teams is similar. Both these teams have a lot of talented batsmen, but none of the batsmen's performance is consistent.

Pakistan is weak in Test format. Although their pace attack is strong, the condition of the spin bowlers is not good enough. Pakistan's players need to be more diligent if they want to thrive in the Test format. Even in the last ODI World Cup we did not see the expected performance from Pakistan. And so far their performance has been poor.

Pakistan needs to focus on Test matches. Pakistani team needs to practice more to beat Australia. Pakistan mostly focusing on T20 Matches. We can see they are holding PSL for this purpose.
And you are right we also didn't see Pakistan well in ICC World cup. They did not perform like that which we were expecting. So still they need to practice more. Pakistan should focus all of three formats ODI Test and T20

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Quote from: SATWAT on December 30, 2023, 06:36:29 PM

Fourth inning never been a joke in test format with four days on same pitch too many changes and many times we have patches and players are also tired after having four days on ground things never been suitable...

6-7 hours of play time with frequent breaks in between, and you rest anyway when your team is batting, I honestly don't think it's as troubling as many make it sound.

Actually it is, lot tougher than it looks and every player after the test just want to lay on the bed as soon as the match done even if they created a new record that day and that much tiring the test format is. But they are practicing to face the challenge as early as possible and especially in India the journey begins from 6 years for many to even reach the domestic level so its no excuse to if the team is on losing side.

It is not that easy to stand on the field for the whole day. Test cricket is a game of fitness, skills, patience and concentration. It is not like any other format of cricket, where you play for a day or few hours, and you are done. The last day in a test of cricket is the one that players are most tiered, and it is the day when the result of a match generally comes out. That is the reason ICC does not hand over test recognition to a new team easily. The most easy format for a player is T20 as they are playing for only few hours in day.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 01, 2024, 03:08:16 AM

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ODI WC win might come sooner because on a good day any team can beat big players but winning the test series in SENA or in this case, winning in Australia doesn't come easy. It takes a hell of an effort to win a test series and it gets tougher when you are visiting after 3-4 years gap. Indians compete and win in Australia because they visit regularly and the same with the England tours, playing longer series also helps a lot.

So let's say winning in the ODI WC against India is easy and could happen in the next WC but Test series win in Australia is very far.

Pakistan team is not going much to Australia because of Aussies stance on not touring Pakistan since 1998. Now that we have a full bilateral series in 2022 and there are chances that Aussies might visit Pakistan again. We might now see Pakistan touring Australia more frequently. Pakistan performance in test for last few years is below average because they are more focused on T20 format.

Last time Pakistan had a chance to win against 3 major teams but they blew up this opportunity by offering highways.

They can still win the home test series against them in the next cycle but my overall point was that the away series is a different ball game and tough affair.

The condition of Pakistan team is very bad now. And this is due to erratic and poor batting by their batsmen. The status of Bangladesh and Pakistan teams is similar. Both these teams have a lot of talented batsmen, but none of the batsmen's performance is consistent.

Pakistan is weak in Test format. Although their pace attack is strong, the condition of the spin bowlers is not good enough. Pakistan's players need to be more diligent if they want to thrive in the Test format. Even in the last ODI World Cup we did not see the expected performance from Pakistan. And so far their performance has been poor.

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Quote from: MusaPk on January 01, 2024, 02:32:13 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 30, 2023, 06:18:55 AM

ODI WC win might come sooner because on a good day any team can beat big players but winning the test series in SENA or in this case, winning in Australia doesn't come easy. It takes a hell of an effort to win a test series and it gets tougher when you are visiting after 3-4 years gap. Indians compete and win in Australia because they visit regularly and the same with the England tours, playing longer series also helps a lot.

So let's say winning in the ODI WC against India is easy and could happen in the next WC but Test series win in Australia is very far.

Pakistan team is not going much to Australia because of Aussies stance on not touring Pakistan since 1998. Now that we have a full bilateral series in 2022 and there are chances that Aussies might visit Pakistan again. We might now see Pakistan touring Australia more frequently. Pakistan performance in test for last few years is below average because they are more focused on T20 format.

Last time Pakistan had a chance to win against 3 major teams but they blew up this opportunity by offering highways.

They can still win the home test series against them in the next cycle but my overall point was that the away series is a different ball game and tough affair.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 30, 2023, 06:18:55 AM

ODI WC win might come sooner because on a good day any team can beat big players but winning the test series in SENA or in this case, winning in Australia doesn't come easy. It takes a hell of an effort to win a test series and it gets tougher when you are visiting after 3-4 years gap. Indians compete and win in Australia because they visit regularly and the same with the England tours, playing longer series also helps a lot.

So let's say winning in the ODI WC against India is easy and could happen in the next WC but Test series win in Australia is very far.

Pakistan team is not going much to Australia because of Aussies stance on not touring Pakistan since 1998. Now that we have a full bilateral series in 2022 and there are chances that Aussies might visit Pakistan again. We might now see Pakistan touring Australia more frequently. Pakistan performance in test for last few years is below average because they are more focused on T20 format.

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Looks like David freaking Warner has retired officially from tests and ODIs as expected.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/david-warner-retires-from-one-day-cricket-ahead-of-test-farewell/amp_articleshow/106430037.cms

He might return for the Champions trophy and will still play in the T-20 format. Replacing him in any format will be tough as hell for the Australians. His averages in both formats are stellar and his only blemish is the ball tampering incident. Legend!

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Quote from: Compromise me on December 31, 2023, 04:49:08 PM

I am surprised when I saw the Pakistani International test cricket squad. The team which can't win match against strong club team Pakistani cricket board selected that team for test series against Australia. Australian International test cricket team is much stronger than Pakistani team.

Australia has good batters like David Warner ,Steve Smith and Mitchell Marsh. David Warner is performing very well in all formats.Australian International team is at top in all formats . Labuschagne is also good batter ,he made 63 runs in first inning but he didn't play good in second inning. But he is good player.

This is not entirely true. David Warner is now back in form, after an extended period of poor run. Steve Smith and Marnus Labuschagne are not scoring runs and their poor runs continues to 2024. Situation is somewhat similar with Pakistan, where Babar Azam and other top order batsmen are not scoring runs. But the main difference between Pakistan and Australia is with their bowling. Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins and Josh Hazlewood are in prime form at the moment, while Naseem's absence has impacted Pakistani pace attack. And Australia has Nathan Lyon who can support the pacers. Pakistan doesn't have a quality spinner with them.

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Quote from: roksana.hee on December 31, 2023, 09:32:18 AM

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Pakistan's bowling line was really impressive in Australia vs Pakistan Test match. If Pakistan's batsmen could have batted well, Pakistan might have won the second Test. Australia batted brilliantly in the first test. I thought Pakistan would bat well in the second test but we all saw Pakistan's batting failure in the second test. Pakistan test series loss only reason is their weak batting must practice their batting better.

It's true, Pakistan's bowling showcased remarkable skills in the Australia vs Pakistan Test match. The second Test could have been a different story if the batsmen had performed better. Australia's brilliant batting in the first test set a high standard. The anticipation for a strong batting display from Pakistan in the second test was unfortunately met with disappointment. The series loss does seem to stem from the batting struggles.

Do you think Pakistan's team needs a strategic shift or more focused batting practice to address this issue?

I am surprised when I saw the Pakistani International test cricket squad. The team which can't win match against strong club team Pakistani cricket board selected that team for test series against Australia. Australian International test cricket team is much stronger than Pakistani team.

Australia has good batters like David Warner ,Steve Smith and Mitchell Marsh. David Warner is performing very well in all formats.Australian International team is at top in all formats . Labuschagne is also good batter ,he made 63 runs in first inning but he didn't play good in second inning. But he is good player.

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Quote from: Tony116 on December 31, 2023, 12:28:01 PM

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Pakistan need to pay attention to all three departments i.e. batting, bowling and fielding. Getting few quick wickets doesn't mean that your bowling is good. How can Muhammad Hafeez say that Pakistan play better cricket then Australia in Boxing day test? When in both innings Pakistan score is less then Australians score.
If you see Pakistani batting, then there are few half centuries in this series. There isn't any single hundred from any Pakistani batsmen so far.

Well, Pakistan at least got closer in the second test. I did not think the second test was going to be as one-sided as the first one, to be honest. But I also did not expect Pakistan to win the second test. After all, it is being played in Australia. And Australia is always going to have a big advantage. Pakistan was able to do good enough with the bowling. But I still think that the batting and the fielding have to be better. And I absolutely agree that Pakistan will have to do better overall as a team. Doing well in a certain area is not going to be enough for them to win matches against a team like Australia.

Big or small it's never been case lost is lost, so Pakistan lost another test match in Australia and now their streak is going to longer they need to learn from their mistakes and have to win otherwise no one remember after few days they lost very close as Pat Cummins had comments after win who is winning good and who is bad it's not matter main thing is won, and we are winner.

Pakistan is good team no doubt, but they need to play pressure free in Australia if they want to win with umpires also need to be better even you are using technology but still you are having favour from umpires for the win, and it's happen third time just against Pakistan and no one talking about this it's also really wired but if this happens in Pakistan then we have too much talk about many things related to this from these biased media peoples.

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Quote from: WatChe on December 31, 2023, 11:39:33 AM

Quote from: roksana.hee on December 31, 2023, 09:32:18 AM

It's true, Pakistan's bowling showcased remarkable skills in the Australia vs Pakistan Test match. The second Test could have been a different story if the batsmen had performed better. Australia's brilliant batting in the first test set a high standard. The anticipation for a strong batting display from Pakistan in the second test was unfortunately met with disappointment. The series loss does seem to stem from the batting struggles.

Do you think Pakistan's team needs a strategic shift or more focused batting practice to address this issue?

Pakistan need to pay attention to all three departments i.e. batting, bowling and fielding. Getting few quick wickets doesn't mean that your bowling is good. How can Muhammad Hafeez say that Pakistan play better cricket then Australia in Boxing day test? When in both innings Pakistan score is less then Australians score.
If you see Pakistani batting, then there are few half centuries in this series. There isn't any single hundred from any Pakistani batsmen so far.

Well, Pakistan at least got closer in the second test. I did not think the second test was going to be as one-sided as the first one, to be honest. But I also did not expect Pakistan to win the second test. After all, it is being played in Australia. And Australia is always going to have a big advantage. Pakistan was able to do good enough with the bowling. But I still think that the batting and the fielding have to be better. And I absolutely agree that Pakistan will have to do better overall as a team. Doing well in a certain area is not going to be enough for them to win matches against a team like Australia.

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Quote from: roksana.hee on December 31, 2023, 09:32:18 AM

It's true, Pakistan's bowling showcased remarkable skills in the Australia vs Pakistan Test match. The second Test could have been a different story if the batsmen had performed better. Australia's brilliant batting in the first test set a high standard. The anticipation for a strong batting display from Pakistan in the second test was unfortunately met with disappointment. The series loss does seem to stem from the batting struggles.

Do you think Pakistan's team needs a strategic shift or more focused batting practice to address this issue?

Pakistan need to pay attention to all three departments i.e. batting, bowling and fielding. Getting few quick wickets doesn't mean that your bowling is good. How can Muhammad Hafeez say that Pakistan play better cricket then Australia in Boxing day test? When in both innings Pakistan score is less then Australians score.
If you see Pakistani batting, then there are few half centuries in this series. There isn't any single hundred from any Pakistani batsmen so far.

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Quote from: libert19 on December 30, 2023, 08:29:18 PM

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Fourth inning never been a joke in test format with four days on same pitch too many changes and many times we have patches and players are also tired after having four days on ground things never been suitable...

6-7 hours of play time with frequent breaks in between, and you rest anyway when your team is batting, I honestly don't think it's as troubling as many make it sound.

Actually it is, lot tougher than it looks and every player after the test just want to lay on the bed as soon as the match done even if they created a new record that day and that much tiring the test format is. But they are practicing to face the challenge as early as possible and especially in India the journey begins from 6 years for many to even reach the domestic level so its no excuse to if the team is on losing side.

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Quote from: synchronym on December 31, 2023, 08:48:56 AM

Pakistan's bowling line was really impressive in Australia vs Pakistan Test match. If Pakistan's batsmen could have batted well, Pakistan might have won the second Test. Australia batted brilliantly in the first test. I thought Pakistan would bat well in the second test but we all saw Pakistan's batting failure in the second test. Pakistan test series loss only reason is their weak batting must practice their batting better.

It's true, Pakistan's bowling showcased remarkable skills in the Australia vs Pakistan Test match. The second Test could have been a different story if the batsmen had performed better. Australia's brilliant batting in the first test set a high standard. The anticipation for a strong batting display from Pakistan in the second test was unfortunately met with disappointment. The series loss does seem to stem from the batting struggles.

Do you think Pakistan's team needs a strategic shift or more focused batting practice to address this issue?

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Quote from: roksana.hee on December 31, 2023, 07:14:11 AM

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We also saw Pakistan's batting failure in the first Test series against Australia. The way Pakistan bowl, no doubt they bowl very well. If Pakistan could have batted well, they might have tied the Test series, but Pakistan's batting failure in the first Test was followed by a similar batting failure in the second Test. So if Pakistan could have batted well then maybe they could have won the second Test series against Australia. But Pakistan could not prove their batting very well in the second test like in the first test. Due to which they could not win this test series. Australia won this test series. Because Pakistan no doubt bowled well and their batting line was good but could not show a good performance against Australia.

It's unfortunate to see Pakistan's batting struggles in both Tests against Australia. Their bowling was commendable, and had their batting been stronger, they might have had a chance to tie or even win the series. The consistent failure in the batting department proved costly, ultimately leading to Australia's victory in the series.

What do you think Pakistan needs to focus on to improve their batting performance in future series?

Pakistan's bowling line was really impressive in Australia vs Pakistan Test match. If Pakistan's batsmen could have batted well, Pakistan might have won the second Test. Australia batted brilliantly in the first test. I thought Pakistan would bat well in the second test but we all saw Pakistan's batting failure in the second test. Pakistan test series loss only reason is their weak batting must practice their batting better.

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Quote from: synchronym on December 31, 2023, 04:03:55 AM

We also saw Pakistan's batting failure in the first Test series against Australia. The way Pakistan bowl, no doubt they bowl very well. If Pakistan could have batted well, they might have tied the Test series, but Pakistan's batting failure in the first Test was followed by a similar batting failure in the second Test. So if Pakistan could have batted well then maybe they could have won the second Test series against Australia. But Pakistan could not prove their batting very well in the second test like in the first test. Due to which they could not win this test series. Australia won this test series. Because Pakistan no doubt bowled well and their batting line was good but could not show a good performance against Australia.

It's unfortunate to see Pakistan's batting struggles in both Tests against Australia. Their bowling was commendable, and had their batting been stronger, they might have had a chance to tie or even win the series. The consistent failure in the batting department proved costly, ultimately leading to Australia's victory in the series.

What do you think Pakistan needs to focus on to improve their batting performance in future series?

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Quote from: SATWAT on December 30, 2023, 06:36:29 PM

Pakistan's team lost the match against Australia and I think that this record will never break which is Pakistan never won any test match against Australia in Australia. Muhammad Hafeez said "Pakistan team played better than Australia" and from somewhere it is real that both teams' fielding was so poor but the Australians had good batsmen the mistake of the Pakistan team was just for batting, and some bowlers from the Pakistani team were not playing this match due to some reasons, Haris Rauf gone to play BBL, and Naseem Shah is dropped in this series due to injury.

We also saw Pakistan's batting failure in the first Test series against Australia. The way Pakistan bowl, no doubt they bowl very well. If Pakistan could have batted well, they might have tied the Test series, but Pakistan's batting failure in the first Test was followed by a similar batting failure in the second Test. So if Pakistan could have batted well then maybe they could have won the second Test series against Australia. But Pakistan could not prove their batting very well in the second test like in the first test. Due to which they could not win this test series. Australia won this test series. Because Pakistan no doubt bowled well and their batting line was good but could not show a good performance against Australia.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 30, 2023, 09:10:05 AM

Found something hilarious from the recently concluded Australia vs Pakistan test which you don't get to see everyday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/au.sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/couple-caught-act-big-screen-mcg-cricket-australia-pakistan-233826325.html

The camerman seriously ruined their fun by zooming in on them instead of focusing on the match itself. They probably aren't even a couple anymore. Crazy stuff!

The cameraman is a Man of culture but he woke up and chose violence and went rogue, in the spirit of the Men of Culture I don't endorse such bravado and condemn this blasphemous act from this misguided individual. Grin

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