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Quote from: Marvell1 on January 27, 2023, 07:03:57 AM

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Explain this, why is India going to care too much about the money that they get from ICC when it is only 4- 5% of the annual revenue that BCCI gets? India is more likely to choose mental warfare against Pakistan rather than getting the money that they get from ICC in my opinion. At least that's what the Indian cricket board thinks.

LOL.. because it is simply too big. $405 million for a 8-year period sounds small for you?

Last time, BCCI fought tooth and nail to get their share increased. Originally Srinivasan had proposed $570 million for the BCCI, by reducing the allocation for associate nations to zero. Then Shashank Manohar came to power and he changed it to $293 million. High voltage drama followed for the next 12 months or so, and the BCCI at one point even threatened to pull out from all the ICC events. Finally a compromise deal was reached and the allocation for BCCI was again increased to $405 million, by reducing the share for associates.

Now tell me whether you still think that BCCI wouldn't care much about the grants from ICC. Grin

I understand that it is too big of an amount. But when it comes to between being humiliated and actually going to Pakistan to play the Asia cup and giving up the money that they get from ICC, I think India is always going to choose to give up the money.

But actually, the honest thing is I do not think the situation is ever going to go down that way. I believe all the things are going to be fixed and India is going to go to Pakistan to play the Asia cup and Pakistan will also play in the world cup. But even if India does not go to Pakistan to play the Asia cup and the Asia cup is eventually moved to another venue, I do not think Pakistan is ever going to miss the world cup.

And honestly, I think India is too big of a club. And giving up only 40 million, or at least around 40 million is not going to be that much of a big deal for them if things genuinely come down to that situation.

This is some huge sum of money India is getting from ICC and still acting like the boss who controls everything because of their stubborn and arrogant nature .
Asia Cup is a big question for everyone specially for people of Pakistan and India .
Hopefully things will be clear in February and fans will take a sigh of relief specially Pakistan fans who have been waiting for Asia Cup since long

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 27, 2023, 03:15:03 AM

Quote from: Marvell1 on January 27, 2023, 03:04:35 AM

Explain this, why is India going to care too much about the money that they get from ICC when it is only 4- 5% of the annual revenue that BCCI gets? India is more likely to choose mental warfare against Pakistan rather than getting the money that they get from ICC in my opinion. At least that's what the Indian cricket board thinks.

LOL.. because it is simply too big. $405 million for a 8-year period sounds small for you?

Last time, BCCI fought tooth and nail to get their share increased. Originally Srinivasan had proposed $570 million for the BCCI, by reducing the allocation for associate nations to zero. Then Shashank Manohar came to power and he changed it to $293 million. High voltage drama followed for the next 12 months or so, and the BCCI at one point even threatened to pull out from all the ICC events. Finally a compromise deal was reached and the allocation for BCCI was again increased to $405 million, by reducing the share for associates.

Now tell me whether you still think that BCCI wouldn't care much about the grants from ICC. Grin

I understand that it is too big of an amount. But when it comes to between being humiliated and actually going to Pakistan to play the Asia cup and giving up the money that they get from ICC, I think India is always going to choose to give up the money.

But actually, the honest thing is I do not think the situation is ever going to go down that way. I believe all the things are going to be fixed and India is going to go to Pakistan to play the Asia cup and Pakistan will also play in the world cup. But even if India does not go to Pakistan to play the Asia cup and the Asia cup is eventually moved to another venue, I do not think Pakistan is ever going to miss the world cup.

And honestly, I think India is too big of a club. And giving up only 40 million, or at least around 40 million is not going to be that much of a big deal for them if things genuinely come down to that situation.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 27, 2023, 03:01:29 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 27, 2023, 02:51:44 AM

He ticked the bowling box but in the batting department, he didn't do anything in the 1st inning so needs to up his game with the bat as well.

His team is on 93/4 atm and they still need 170-ish runs to win so would be good if he showcase some batting class on a rank turner.

How many overs remain now? Saurashtra need another 173 runs to win, and they have 6 wickets in hand. Harvik Desai and Chetan Sakariya are at the crease for Saurashtra. During the first innings Ravindra Jadeja batted at no.6 position, so if Saurashtra lose one more wicket, we may see him batting. Tamil Nadu has quite experienced bowling lineup, which includes Sandeep Warrier, Manimaran Siddharth and Baba Aparajith. Vijay Shankar is there as well, but he didn't bowled much during the first innings. Good match for both the Jadejas BTW. Ravindra Jadeja took 8 wicket in total, while Dharmendrasinh Jadeja took 6.

Plate finals going on, with Bihar taking on Manipur. Bihar is just one wicket away from taking the first innings lead. 16-year old Manipuri kid Pheiroijam Jotin Singh got out for 68 just a few minutes back. He was leading the fight for Manipur.

2 more sessions left so should be 60 overs if there is no bad light situation.

Yeah, Tamilnadu has threatening spin bowlers and it's a rank turner so it's a good practice match for him even if he plays for a draw.

I am just keeping a tab on the scorecard (Tamil Nadu vs Saurashtra) only because of Jadeja.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on January 27, 2023, 03:04:35 AM

Explain this, why is India going to care too much about the money that they get from ICC when it is only 4- 5% of the annual revenue that BCCI gets? India is more likely to choose mental warfare against Pakistan rather than getting the money that they get from ICC in my opinion. At least that's what the Indian cricket board thinks.

LOL.. because it is simply too big. $405 million for a 8-year period sounds small for you?

Last time, BCCI fought tooth and nail to get their share increased. Originally Srinivasan had proposed $570 million for the BCCI, by reducing the allocation for associate nations to zero. Then Shashank Manohar came to power and he changed it to $293 million. High voltage drama followed for the next 12 months or so, and the BCCI at one point even threatened to pull out from all the ICC events. Finally a compromise deal was reached and the allocation for BCCI was again increased to $405 million, by reducing the share for associates.

Now tell me whether you still think that BCCI wouldn't care much about the grants from ICC. Grin

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 27, 2023, 12:38:00 AM

Quote from: Marvell1 on January 26, 2023, 08:31:14 AM

Sithara007, Certainly, India does not care about the money that they get from the ICC. And that instantly puts them in a position of power. That's because they are self-sufficient. But Pakistan is not like that. Pakistan has to care about the money that they get from the ICC. So, India is in an advantageous position right now. Because if they do not take part in the Asia cup, it is not going to matter too much for them. But if that happens and Pakistan also decides to not take part in the world cup, it is going to be very devastating for Pakistan.

It is not like India doesn't care about the funds from the ICC. At the moment, they get around $40 million per year from the ICC, which is a huge amount (although it comprises only 4% to 5% of the annual revenues for the BCCI). But the point is that BCCI can function without any issue even if the ICC funds are withheld and the same can't be said about Pakistan. PCB is till dependent on the grants from ICC for most of their annual budget. And the dependence is going to increase further from 2024 onwards, when the next ICC funding cycle starts.

Explain this, why is India going to care too much about the money that they get from ICC when it is only 4- 5% of the annual revenue that BCCI gets? India is more likely to choose mental warfare against Pakistan rather than getting the money that they get from ICC in my opinion. At least that's what the Indian cricket board thinks.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 27, 2023, 12:55:10 AM

I don't think that only PCB rely on funds from ICC. Except a few like India, Australia & England every other board depends on those funds. The biggest revenue generator for ICC is BCCI and it has now become so big that if India wants to move out of ICC many other countries would follow them and ICC would never want that to happen.

Most of the boards rely heavily on the money that they get from the ICC. Only India, England, and Australia are the exceptions in my opinion. Especially India because they have good earnings even without the money from the ICC. So even if they do not get the money that they get from ICC tomorrow, they will still be able to function easily like they are doing right now.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 27, 2023, 02:51:44 AM

He ticked the bowling box but in the batting department, he didn't do anything in the 1st inning so needs to up his game with the bat as well.

His team is on 93/4 atm and they still need 170-ish runs to win so would be good if he showcase some batting class on a rank turner.

How many overs remain now? Saurashtra need another 173 runs to win, and they have 6 wickets in hand. Harvik Desai and Chetan Sakariya are at the crease for Saurashtra. During the first innings Ravindra Jadeja batted at no.6 position, so if Saurashtra lose one more wicket, we may see him batting. Tamil Nadu has quite experienced bowling lineup, which includes Sandeep Warrier, Manimaran Siddharth and Baba Aparajith. Vijay Shankar is there as well, but he didn't bowled much during the first innings. Good match for both the Jadejas BTW. Ravindra Jadeja took 8 wicket in total, while Dharmendrasinh Jadeja took 6.

Plate finals going on, with Bihar taking on Manipur. Bihar is just one wicket away from taking the first innings lead. 16-year old Manipuri kid Pheiroijam Jotin Singh got out for 68 just a few minutes back. He was leading the fight for Manipur.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 27, 2023, 12:55:10 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 26, 2023, 07:09:11 AM

Good news for India. Sir Jadeja is playing Ranji match for Saurashtra and it looks like he's completely recovered and match fit.

Already took 7-fer in 2nd inning for his side against TN. Feeling a little bit safe in regard to his fitness and in the context of BGT.

That is a great news! He will be playing against Australia in the BGT and most of us would expecting an overall good performance by him in that tournament.

He ticked the bowling box but in the batting department, he didn't do anything in the 1st inning so needs to up his game with the bat as well.

His team is on 93/4 atm and they still need 170-ish runs to win so would be good if he showcase some batting class on a rank turner.

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Quote from: MusaPk on January 26, 2023, 01:52:55 PM

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on January 26, 2023, 07:53:21 AM

Pakistan can't afford to take any bold steps like not participating in world cup as they can't go against ICC but opposite is the case with India.
India will put immense pressure on ICC over this issue and make things according to their will.

India has been going through financial solvency for long time. The large number of cricket market that India has captured is not possible for any other country. The opposite situation happen in the case of Pakistan. Presently Pakistan is in financial crisis. They would certainly never want to make such a big loss. However, it is heard that if the Asia Cup is not held in Pakistan, Pakistan cricket will also not participate in the ODI World Cup in India. However, all the cricket lovers want the upcoming ODI World Cup to be held participating by both countries.

I think India should tour Pakistan and give spectators a chance of seeing Pakistan vs India match in Pakistan. There are rivalries between different nations of the world but when it comes to sports than government usually separates them. But this is not the case in India Pakistan cricket boards. Both boards are waiting for signal from there governments about what to do about Asia and ODI world cup. India no doubt is in better position then Pakistan.

If Pakistan gets into such disputes with India, it will be a suicidal decision for Pakistan cricket, even if it has no implications for India. If Pakistan does not participate in the ODI World Cup, they may face a major restriction from the ICC. But these issues are easily resolved when the venue of the Asia Cup is changed. India is always capable from all aspects but for the sake of cricket the side of justice should be considered.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 27, 2023, 12:55:10 AM

I don't think that only PCB rely on funds from ICC. Except a few like India, Australia & England every other board depends on those funds. The biggest revenue generator for ICC is BCCI and it has now become so big that if India wants to move out of ICC many other countries would follow them and ICC would never want that to happen.

This is why I have argued for more team from India in the ICC competitions. Look at the last T20 World Cup. United Arab Emirates was one of the participants and most of the team members were Indian citizens. What is the point in having such a team? A much better option would be to have the Indian U-23 team or the India A team to participate in the tournament. In this way, the ICC can maximize revenues from India and they can put an end to the sham of Arab teams fielding "national" team that are entirely comprised of foreigners.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 27, 2023, 12:38:00 AM

Quote from: Marvell1 on January 26, 2023, 08:31:14 AM

Sithara007, Certainly, India does not care about the money that they get from the ICC. And that instantly puts them in a position of power. That's because they are self-sufficient. But Pakistan is not like that. Pakistan has to care about the money that they get from the ICC. So, India is in an advantageous position right now. Because if they do not take part in the Asia cup, it is not going to matter too much for them. But if that happens and Pakistan also decides to not take part in the world cup, it is going to be very devastating for Pakistan.

It is not like India doesn't care about the funds from the ICC. At the moment, they get around $40 million per year from the ICC, which is a huge amount (although it comprises only 4% to 5% of the annual revenues for the BCCI). But the point is that BCCI can function without any issue even if the ICC funds are withheld and the same can't be said about Pakistan. PCB is till dependent on the grants from ICC for most of their annual budget. And the dependence is going to increase further from 2024 onwards, when the next ICC funding cycle starts.

I don't think that only PCB rely on funds from ICC. Except a few like India, Australia & England every other board depends on those funds. The biggest revenue generator for ICC is BCCI and it has now become so big that if India wants to move out of ICC many other countries would follow them and ICC would never want that to happen.

Quote from: JSRAW on January 26, 2023, 07:09:11 AM

Good news for India. Sir Jadeja is playing Ranji match for Saurashtra and it looks like he's completely recovered and match fit.

Already took 7-fer in 2nd inning for his side against TN. Feeling a little bit safe in regard to his fitness and in the context of BGT.

That is a great news! He will be playing against Australia in the BGT and most of us would expecting an overall good performance by him in that tournament.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on January 26, 2023, 08:31:14 AM

Sithara007, Certainly, India does not care about the money that they get from the ICC. And that instantly puts them in a position of power. That's because they are self-sufficient. But Pakistan is not like that. Pakistan has to care about the money that they get from the ICC. So, India is in an advantageous position right now. Because if they do not take part in the Asia cup, it is not going to matter too much for them. But if that happens and Pakistan also decides to not take part in the world cup, it is going to be very devastating for Pakistan.

It is not like India doesn't care about the funds from the ICC. At the moment, they get around $40 million per year from the ICC, which is a huge amount (although it comprises only 4% to 5% of the annual revenues for the BCCI). But the point is that BCCI can function without any issue even if the ICC funds are withheld and the same can't be said about Pakistan. PCB is till dependent on the grants from ICC for most of their annual budget. And the dependence is going to increase further from 2024 onwards, when the next ICC funding cycle starts.

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Quote from: BobK71 on January 26, 2023, 01:31:12 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on January 26, 2023, 07:53:21 AM

Pakistan can't afford to take any bold steps like not participating in world cup as they can't go against ICC but opposite is the case with India.
India will put immense pressure on ICC over this issue and make things according to their will.

India has been going through financial solvency for long time. The large number of cricket market that India has captured is not possible for any other country. The opposite situation happen in the case of Pakistan. Presently Pakistan is in financial crisis. They would certainly never want to make such a big loss. However, it is heard that if the Asia Cup is not held in Pakistan, Pakistan cricket will also not participate in the ODI World Cup in India. However, all the cricket lovers want the upcoming ODI World Cup to be held participating by both countries.

And I think if aisa cup Is held at a neutral venue Pakistan will still participate in that and that's the right spirit , what India is doing right now over Asia Cup making an issue out of nothing and making unfair use of their power is extremely wrong .
Cricket should be played with the spirit to win the game and whoever wins is powerful and strong.
India will comeup with strange and weird points to change venue .

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Quote from: BobK71 on January 26, 2023, 01:31:12 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on January 26, 2023, 07:53:21 AM

Pakistan can't afford to take any bold steps like not participating in world cup as they can't go against ICC but opposite is the case with India.
India will put immense pressure on ICC over this issue and make things according to their will.

India has been going through financial solvency for long time. The large number of cricket market that India has captured is not possible for any other country. The opposite situation happen in the case of Pakistan. Presently Pakistan is in financial crisis. They would certainly never want to make such a big loss. However, it is heard that if the Asia Cup is not held in Pakistan, Pakistan cricket will also not participate in the ODI World Cup in India. However, all the cricket lovers want the upcoming ODI World Cup to be held participating by both countries.

I think India should tour Pakistan and give spectators a chance of seeing Pakistan vs India match in Pakistan. There are rivalries between different nations of the world but when it comes to sports than government usually separates them. But this is not the case in India Pakistan cricket boards. Both boards are waiting for signal from there governments about what to do about Asia and ODI world cup. India no doubt is in better position then Pakistan.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on January 26, 2023, 07:53:21 AM

Pakistan can't afford to take any bold steps like not participating in world cup as they can't go against ICC but opposite is the case with India.
India will put immense pressure on ICC over this issue and make things according to their will.

India has been going through financial solvency for long time. The large number of cricket market that India has captured is not possible for any other country. The opposite situation happen in the case of Pakistan. Presently Pakistan is in financial crisis. They would certainly never want to make such a big loss. However, it is heard that if the Asia Cup is not held in Pakistan, Pakistan cricket will also not participate in the ODI World Cup in India. However, all the cricket lovers want the upcoming ODI World Cup to be held participating by both countries.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on January 26, 2023, 07:53:21 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 25, 2023, 10:45:12 PM

^^^ Yes.. that's what I think as well. Although the PCB is unhappy about it, in the end they don't have any other choice. They are heavily dependent on the revenues from ICC. On the other hand, the BCCI doesn't care much about the ICC funds, as they are earning handsomely from the IPL (and now the WIPL as well). But things will get ugly at some point before the tournament. The Asia Cup is scheduled to be played in September 2023. The ODI world cup is supposed to start one month after this. So any impact from the Asian Cup will likely spill over to the ODI World Cup as well.

This is almost confirm now that there will be a neutral venue for Asia Cup and after 4th February meeting between India and Pakistan chairman's about ACC things will be more clear.
Pakistan can't afford to take any bold steps like not participating in world cup as they can't go against ICC but opposite is the case with India.
India will put immense pressure on ICC over this issue and make things according to their will.

Sithara007, Certainly, India does not care about the money that they get from the ICC. And that instantly puts them in a position of power. That's because they are self-sufficient. But Pakistan is not like that. Pakistan has to care about the money that they get from the ICC. So, India is in an advantageous position right now. Because if they do not take part in the Asia cup, it is not going to matter too much for them. But if that happens and Pakistan also decides to not take part in the world cup, it is going to be very devastating for Pakistan.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 25, 2023, 10:45:12 PM

^^^ Yes.. that's what I think as well. Although the PCB is unhappy about it, in the end they don't have any other choice. They are heavily dependent on the revenues from ICC. On the other hand, the BCCI doesn't care much about the ICC funds, as they are earning handsomely from the IPL (and now the WIPL as well). But things will get ugly at some point before the tournament. The Asia Cup is scheduled to be played in September 2023. The ODI world cup is supposed to start one month after this. So any impact from the Asian Cup will likely spill over to the ODI World Cup as well.

This is almost confirm now that there will be a neutral venue for Asia Cup and after 4th February meeting between India and Pakistan chairman's about ACC things will be more clear.
Pakistan can't afford to take any bold steps like not participating in world cup as they can't go against ICC but opposite is the case with India.
India will put immense pressure on ICC over this issue and make things according to their will.

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Good news for India. Sir Jadeja is playing Ranji match for Saurashtra and it looks like he's completely recovered and match fit.

Already took 7-fer in 2nd inning for his side against TN. Feeling a little bit safe in regard to his fitness and in the context of BGT.

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^^^ Yes.. that's what I think as well. Although the PCB is unhappy about it, in the end they don't have any other choice. They are heavily dependent on the revenues from ICC. On the other hand, the BCCI doesn't care much about the ICC funds, as they are earning handsomely from the IPL (and now the WIPL as well). But things will get ugly at some point before the tournament. The Asia Cup is scheduled to be played in September 2023. The ODI world cup is supposed to start one month after this. So any impact from the Asian Cup will likely spill over to the ODI World Cup as well.

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Quote from: BobK71 on January 25, 2023, 03:20:48 AM

I am not thinking about the election because there will be no change in central government. The current government will remain in place. However, if India does not play in the upcoming Asia Cup, then there is a doubt whether Pakistan will participate in the World Cup. And bilateral series cannot be expected. ICC has to come forward as mediator in such situation and take strict decisions if necessary. Otherwise it seems quite impossible to expect a simple solution to this issue.

Since the BCCI is such a dominant force within the ICC, I am not sure what are the options remaining with PCB in case India refuses to take part in the Asia Cup. If the BCCI remains adamant, then the best possible scenario would be to move the matches to a neutral venue. If that doesn't happen, then the Asia Cup will proceed without Indian participation and ACC will lose valuable revenue. Pakistan has limited options available with them. They can boycott the ODI World Cup, but it will backfire on them as the ICC is going to impose hefty monetary fines if that happens.

It's true that India will confirmly didn't participate in Asia Cup if it held in Pakistan, but if they government from both country make some good relation then the decision of Jay shah may be dismissed,
While on same time if they didn't make some good relation and India remove Thier presence from Asia Cup, no doubt it will be a great loss for this event. But if same decision take by Pakistan like remove his presence from world cup then it will also a huge lose for this event because ICC earn most of his revenue from India Pakistan match only as compared to any other.
So the best solution from them to shift both event to neutral venue.

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Quote from: BobK71 on January 25, 2023, 03:20:48 AM

I am not thinking about the election because there will be no change in central government. The current government will remain in place. However, if India does not play in the upcoming Asia Cup, then there is a doubt whether Pakistan will participate in the World Cup. And bilateral series cannot be expected. ICC has to come forward as mediator in such situation and take strict decisions if necessary. Otherwise it seems quite impossible to expect a simple solution to this issue.

Since the BCCI is such a dominant force within the ICC, I am not sure what are the options remaining with PCB in case India refuses to take part in the Asia Cup. If the BCCI remains adamant, then the best possible scenario would be to move the matches to a neutral venue. If that doesn't happen, then the Asia Cup will proceed without Indian participation and ACC will lose valuable revenue. Pakistan has limited options available with them. They can boycott the ODI World Cup, but it will backfire on them as the ICC is going to impose hefty monetary fines if that happens.

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