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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 30, 2023, 10:55:27 PM

As per my estimate, the grants may increase by more than 4x. But we never know how the businessmen such as Barclay will give excuses to steal money.

Thanks for sharing the calculations. They make complete sense. Have no idea why @DanWalker came up with the 80% share thought since it logically makes very little sense if you think about it.

The BCCI are corrupt cockroaches for sure, but there is no denying that they deserve a higher share when compared to other boards from the ICC.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 30, 2023, 03:43:30 PM

No one in BCCI or their granny asked for 80% share at all, ever. According to records BCCI only get 18-22% (depending on taxes) from ICC funds and they contribute approx 70-80% of revenue, this could surpass in the upcoming cycle, once ICC discloses their media rights numbers.

For the 2015-23 cycle, total funds available with ICC, to be distributed to member nations was $1.774 billion. Out of that, BCCI received a share of $405 million, which amounts for 23%. There is no tax deduction, as the ICC is based in UAE (where there is no income or corporate tax).

This is a rough calculation:

2015-2023
Inflows:
Media rights: $1.800 billion
Sponsorship and other revenues: $0.700 billion

Outflows:
Grants to member nations: $1.774 billion ($221.75 million per year)
Administrative costs: $0.726 billion

2024-2027
Inflows:
Media rights: $3.600 billion (assumed 80% of the revenue from India)
Sponsorship and other revenues: $0.400 billion (very conservative estimate)

Outflows:
Grants to member nations: $3.500 billion ($875 million per year)
Administrative costs: $0.500 billion (estimate)

As per my estimate, the grants may increase by more than 4x. But we never know how the businessmen such as Barclay will give excuses to steal money.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 30, 2023, 03:43:30 PM

Quote from: DanWalker on January 30, 2023, 02:05:38 PM

I think the funding for all the associate nations is going to decrease because India is asking for almost 80%. And if that happens, I think ICC will have no option but to actually figure out which cricket boards are poor and actually need the money more.

Ha! hearing this first time.

No one in BCCI or their granny asked for 80% share at all, ever. According to records BCCI only get 18-22% (depending on taxes) from ICC funds and they contribute approx 70-80% of revenue, this could surpass in the upcoming cycle, once ICC discloses their media rights numbers.

If 80% is allocated to India, then only India can play cricket. More countries are being benefitting out of the money from BCCI to ICC. Pakistan cricket is running with half the contribution from the ICC and the rest is being got from the government. Media rights and the advertisement is a major source for the ICC.

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Quote from: DanWalker on January 30, 2023, 02:05:38 PM

I think the funding for all the associate nations is going to decrease because India is asking for almost 80%. And if that happens, I think ICC will have no option but to actually figure out which cricket boards are poor and actually need the money more.

Ha! hearing this first time.

No one in BCCI or their granny asked for 80% share at all, ever. According to records BCCI only get 18-22% (depending on taxes) from ICC funds and they contribute approx 70-80% of revenue, this could surpass in the upcoming cycle, once ICC discloses their media rights numbers.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on January 28, 2023, 01:38:12 PM

Cricket is getting more and more business yet the level of associate nations is not improving thats because ICC is giving huge money to big boards who already have huge funds. Countries like Nepal, Afghanistan need more of ICC funding since they are not much rich and yet they have passion for cricket. ICC is developing already developed boards.

Sometimes only funds cannot develop the game. You need passion in yourself to develop the system and game as well. There are other rich countries as well who don't play cricket on international level. Take USA For example, They play cricket but do you know their ranking? I believe you don't know. So, Only money cannot build the cricket. About afghanistand and Nepal, Yes. Those country deserve more attention from the ICC.

Only finance will not develop cricket at the same time it is impossible without finance. Some countries may even remove their names from cricket if ICC stops paying. At present only a few countries are involved in cricket. Stopping funding for some countries could also reduce interest in the cricket as well as local people can focus on other things instead of cricket. In this regard ICC should carefully observe which countries should increase money and which should decrease. The ICC should re-evaluate or review these matters from an impartial view.

I think there is a big misconception of equality in ICC about distributing funds. Equal distribution of funds between the associate nations is never going to be a good idea. Because they are a lot of cricket boards which are quite rich and also there are a lot of cricket boards which are very poor. So it is never going to be a good idea to distribute the fun equally between the associate nations. There is obviously new funding going to happen for the associate nations. I think the funding for all the associate nations is going to decrease because India is asking for almost 80%. And if that happens, I think ICC will have no option but to actually figure out which cricket boards are poor and actually need the money more.

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Quote from: BobK71 on January 30, 2023, 06:43:58 AM

Quote from: John Abraham on January 29, 2023, 12:28:11 PM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on January 28, 2023, 01:38:12 PM

Cricket is getting more and more business yet the level of associate nations is not improving thats because ICC is giving huge money to big boards who already have huge funds. Countries like Nepal, Afghanistan need more of ICC funding since they are not much rich and yet they have passion for cricket. ICC is developing already developed boards.

Sometimes only funds cannot develop the game. You need passion in yourself to develop the system and game as well. There are other rich countries as well who don't play cricket on international level. Take USA For example, They play cricket but do you know their ranking? I believe you don't know. So, Only money cannot build the cricket. About afghanistand and Nepal, Yes. Those country deserve more attention from the ICC.

Only finance will not develop cricket at the same time it is impossible without finance. Some countries may even remove their names from cricket if ICC stops paying. At present only a few countries are involved in cricket. Stopping funding for some countries could also reduce interest in the cricket as well as local people can focus on other things instead of cricket. In this regard ICC should carefully observe which countries should increase money and which should decrease. The ICC should re-evaluate or review these matters from an impartial view.

Supporting the teams that aren't financial good is the right thing an authority should do. Here ICC does it in the right way funding 92 Associate Members (Countries). The funding strategy is simple as better the member on the field performance higher will be the funding received. To what extent this is happening in the right way isn't known to the world. If everything is happening as they've mentioned then it is fair, if not re-evaluation is necessary.

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Quote from: John Abraham on January 29, 2023, 12:28:11 PM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on January 28, 2023, 01:38:12 PM

Cricket is getting more and more business yet the level of associate nations is not improving thats because ICC is giving huge money to big boards who already have huge funds. Countries like Nepal, Afghanistan need more of ICC funding since they are not much rich and yet they have passion for cricket. ICC is developing already developed boards.

Sometimes only funds cannot develop the game. You need passion in yourself to develop the system and game as well. There are other rich countries as well who don't play cricket on international level. Take USA For example, They play cricket but do you know their ranking? I believe you don't know. So, Only money cannot build the cricket. About afghanistand and Nepal, Yes. Those country deserve more attention from the ICC.

Cricket is actually a diverse game with different aspects, money cannot judge the quality of this game. If there are some countries including USA, China who have a lot of money but they don't have name, ranking in cricket. Especially among the players of these countries there is no special care or technique towards cricket. But USA is trying to develop their cricket by giving citizenship to players from different countries. And they have already managed to achieve quite a lot of success in cricket.

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Quote from: John Abraham on January 29, 2023, 12:28:11 PM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on January 28, 2023, 01:38:12 PM

Cricket is getting more and more business yet the level of associate nations is not improving thats because ICC is giving huge money to big boards who already have huge funds. Countries like Nepal, Afghanistan need more of ICC funding since they are not much rich and yet they have passion for cricket. ICC is developing already developed boards.

Sometimes only funds cannot develop the game. You need passion in yourself to develop the system and game as well. There are other rich countries as well who don't play cricket on international level. Take USA For example, They play cricket but do you know their ranking? I believe you don't know. So, Only money cannot build the cricket. About afghanistand and Nepal, Yes. Those country deserve more attention from the ICC.

Only finance will not develop cricket at the same time it is impossible without finance. Some countries may even remove their names from cricket if ICC stops paying. At present only a few countries are involved in cricket. Stopping funding for some countries could also reduce interest in the cricket as well as local people can focus on other things instead of cricket. In this regard ICC should carefully observe which countries should increase money and which should decrease. The ICC should re-evaluate or review these matters from an impartial view.

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Quote from: John Abraham on January 29, 2023, 12:28:11 PM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on January 28, 2023, 01:38:12 PM

Cricket is getting more and more business yet the level of associate nations is not improving thats because ICC is giving huge money to big boards who already have huge funds. Countries like Nepal, Afghanistan need more of ICC funding since they are not much rich and yet they have passion for cricket. ICC is developing already developed boards.

Sometimes only funds cannot develop the game. You need passion in yourself to develop the system and game as well. There are other rich countries as well who don't play cricket on international level. Take USA For example, They play cricket but do you know their ranking? I believe you don't know. So, Only money cannot build the cricket. About afghanistand and Nepal, Yes. Those country deserve more attention from the ICC.

The problem is ICC is giving a lot of teams money. And some of the teams actually do not honestly deserve the money. A lot of teams are getting money even though they are very rich. They generally play with foreign players on the team. So, I think we can say that they actually do not want to improve. But on the other hand, there are also a lot of teams like Zimbabwe, Kenya, and Papua New Guinea who actually want to improve in terms of quality. But they are not being able to do that because of funds. But they and the teams which play with foreign players in the team get roughly the same amount of money. And both of these situations is very bad for cricket.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on January 28, 2023, 01:38:12 PM

Cricket is getting more and more business yet the level of associate nations is not improving thats because ICC is giving huge money to big boards who already have huge funds. Countries like Nepal, Afghanistan need more of ICC funding since they are not much rich and yet they have passion for cricket. ICC is developing already developed boards.

Sometimes only funds cannot develop the game. You need passion in yourself to develop the system and game as well. There are other rich countries as well who don't play cricket on international level. Take USA For example, They play cricket but do you know their ranking? I believe you don't know. So, Only money cannot build the cricket. About afghanistand and Nepal, Yes. Those country deserve more attention from the ICC.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 28, 2023, 11:24:51 AM

SKY Sports (UK) sealed the media rights deal with the ICC for 8 years. Both parties are yet to disclose the final price and unofficial reports are that the Australian deal is also done for 4 years.

We should get some details soon, fingers are crossed for some spicy drama. Grin

Cricket is getting more and more business yet the level of associate nations is not improving thats because ICC is giving huge money to big boards who already have huge funds. Countries like Nepal, Afghanistan need more of ICC funding since they are not much rich and yet they have passion for cricket. ICC is developing already developed boards.

No doubt about this business and well awareness about the game but here things are looking not good from ICC side because they are never been idea authority to do good works for the game because we all know test format is now had no future, and we need better things in shorter format otherwise this all will be having no benefit for the game and countries Nepal, Afghanistan and few more countries are looking for better help and coordination from them, but they are busy in their own deep pockets which is killing and having just 2 or 3 countries as more beneficial for the game.

Social media and other media channels are also having good way of spreading this game around the world because many new apps and other channels and are also helpful, but we need good management as well which is important for better success.

That's right all focus of ICC is on big 3 and strong teams and they have no intention of working for less developed teams which actually need more of their support financially.

This is all business now and everything is about money.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 28, 2023, 11:24:51 AM

SKY Sports (UK) sealed the media rights deal with the ICC for 8 years. Both parties are yet to disclose the final price and unofficial reports are that the Australian deal is also done for 4 years.

We should get some details soon, fingers are crossed for some spicy drama. Grin

Cricket is getting more and more business yet the level of associate nations is not improving thats because ICC is giving huge money to big boards who already have huge funds. Countries like Nepal, Afghanistan need more of ICC funding since they are not much rich and yet they have passion for cricket. ICC is developing already developed boards.

No doubt about this business and well awareness about the game but here things are looking not good from ICC side because they are never been idea authority to do good works for the game because we all know test format is now had no future, and we need better things in shorter format otherwise this all will be having no benefit for the game and countries Nepal, Afghanistan and few more countries are looking for better help and coordination from them, but they are busy in their own deep pockets which is killing and having just 2 or 3 countries as more beneficial for the game.

Social media and other media channels are also having good way of spreading this game around the world because many new apps and other channels and are also helpful, but we need good management as well which is important for better success.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 28, 2023, 11:24:51 AM

SKY Sports (UK) sealed the media rights deal with the ICC for 8 years. Both parties are yet to disclose the final price and unofficial reports are that the Australian deal is also done for 4 years.

We should get some details soon, fingers are crossed for some spicy drama. Grin

Cricket is getting more and more business yet the level of associate nations is not improving thats because ICC is giving huge money to big boards who already have huge funds. Countries like Nepal, Afghanistan need more of ICC funding since they are not much rich and yet they have passion for cricket. ICC is developing already developed boards.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 27, 2023, 10:54:35 PM

^^^ This time ICC did the media rights auctions region-wise. The rights for 2024-27 cycle was sold for $3.04 billion, just for the Indian sub-continent. Including other regions, the total media rights purse may come to $3.5 billion. Therefore BCCI may demand a higher share from 2024 onwards. As of now, they are receiving 22.8% of the total ICC fund allocation.

Compared to these figures, the total ICC revenue for the cycle 2015-23 was $2.5 billion (including $1.8 billion from media rights and around $700 million from sponsorship). Out of that a large share was taken out for administrative costs (i.e to provide salaries and benefits to businessmen such as Greg Barclay) and only $1.774 billion was distributed among the members. Now remember that this was for the 8-year period. ICC revenues have increased for the 2024-27 period, despite the duration being just 4 years.

If the allocation remains the same, each ICC member will receive 200% to 300% higher share from 2024, compared to what they received during 2015-23. For example, PCB was receiving $16 million per year previously. It may increase to anywhere from $48 million to 64 million.

SKY Sports (UK) sealed the media rights deal with the ICC for 8 years. Both parties are yet to disclose the final price and unofficial reports are that the Australian deal is also done for 4 years.

We should get some details soon, fingers are crossed for some spicy drama. Grin

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 27, 2023, 10:54:35 PM

This time ICC did the media rights auctions region-wise. The rights for 2024-27 cycle was sold for $3.04 billion, just for the Indian sub-continent. Including other regions, the total media rights purse may come to $3.5 billion. Therefore BCCI may demand a higher share from 2024 onwards. As of now, they are receiving 22.8% of the total ICC fund allocation.

Compared to these figures, the total ICC revenue for the cycle 2015-23 was $2.5 billion (including $1.8 billion from media rights and around $700 million from sponsorship). Out of that a large share was taken out for administrative costs (i.e to provide salaries and benefits to businessmen such as Greg Barclay) and only $1.774 billion was distributed among the members. Now remember that this was for the 8-year period. ICC revenues have increased for the 2024-27 period, despite the duration being just 4 years.

If the allocation remains the same, each ICC member will receive 200% to 300% higher share from 2024, compared to what they received during 2015-23. For example, PCB was receiving $16 million per year previously. It may increase to anywhere from $48 million to 64 million.

Even most of the time I never go into statics like these, but these all are favourable to all members but sadly still we are missing many things which are also important for the better future of the game for it's only ICC which is having selling rights like this and issues like these with India is having right to demand more funds and others no deserve like India as they are the biggest market surely not good idea they need to work on some better system and having more teams for the improvement in their revenue is better idea despite having same old fashion tactics even no doubt India is big, and they are important but for the better future of the game we need better suggestion and facilities for the all members are also important and if they can't do things like these surely they need to stop this all and just allow India and big-3 to enjoy others having forfeit this all and just enjoy from the outside of the boundary rope which will be more beneficial for the ICC and India because then no one will ask for the more funds.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on January 27, 2023, 07:22:08 AM

This is some huge sum of money India is getting from ICC and still acting like the boss who controls everything because of their stubborn and arrogant nature .
Asia Cup is a big question for everyone specially for people of Pakistan and India .
Hopefully things will be clear in February and fans will take a sigh of relief specially Pakistan fans who have been waiting for Asia Cup since long

With the current system of ICC, India is having the biggest beneficiary which is their right but with this ICC needs to act balanced and do some better work for the progress of this game as well which is not happening for the long time but with the arrival of the new format now things are completely change and peoples are feeling better because now they have shorter format and bigger entertainment package which can bring good changes and better revenue as well but no one care about this even we all know test format is going to be more reduced in coming years because many countries are fail to keep quality and consistency which is having negative impact on this format and with this all now ICC is main who can do bring revolutionary changes and more interest for the peoples around the world.

India, Pakistan issue is not going to solve because it's here things are never been ideal for peace and harmony peoples hate each other because politicians wants this environment for their better future and things will be stayed like this for few more years because big changes going to happen soon in this region as well.

That's true things were never smooth between India and Pakistan ,there is no peace and harmony in people and the main reason is political leaders which inculcate extremism in people to grow hatred for each other specially from Indian side . Cricket is effected because of this unrest and instability .
The point is India is already a cricket developed country than why this much money, rather than this ICC should give handsome amount to those countries who have to grow in cricket and who are weak economically and financially.

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^^^ This time ICC did the media rights auctions region-wise. The rights for 2024-27 cycle was sold for $3.04 billion, just for the Indian sub-continent. Including other regions, the total media rights purse may come to $3.5 billion. Therefore BCCI may demand a higher share from 2024 onwards. As of now, they are receiving 22.8% of the total ICC fund allocation.

Compared to these figures, the total ICC revenue for the cycle 2015-23 was $2.5 billion (including $1.8 billion from media rights and around $700 million from sponsorship). Out of that a large share was taken out for administrative costs (i.e to provide salaries and benefits to businessmen such as Greg Barclay) and only $1.774 billion was distributed among the members. Now remember that this was for the 8-year period. ICC revenues have increased for the 2024-27 period, despite the duration being just 4 years.

If the allocation remains the same, each ICC member will receive 200% to 300% higher share from 2024, compared to what they received during 2015-23. For example, PCB was receiving $16 million per year previously. It may increase to anywhere from $48 million to 64 million.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on January 27, 2023, 07:22:08 AM

This is some huge sum of money India is getting from ICC and still acting like the boss who controls everything because of their stubborn and arrogant nature .
Asia Cup is a big question for everyone specially for people of Pakistan and India .
Hopefully things will be clear in February and fans will take a sigh of relief specially Pakistan fans who have been waiting for Asia Cup since long

With the current system of ICC, India is having the biggest beneficiary which is their right but with this ICC needs to act balanced and do some better work for the progress of this game as well which is not happening for the long time but with the arrival of the new format now things are completely change and peoples are feeling better because now they have shorter format and bigger entertainment package which can bring good changes and better revenue as well but no one care about this even we all know test format is going to be more reduced in coming years because many countries are fail to keep quality and consistency which is having negative impact on this format and with this all now ICC is main who can do bring revolutionary changes and more interest for the peoples around the world.

India, Pakistan issue is not going to solve because it's here things are never been ideal for peace and harmony peoples hate each other because politicians wants this environment for their better future and things will be stayed like this for few more years because big changes going to happen soon in this region as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 27, 2023, 01:14:41 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 27, 2023, 12:55:10 AM

I don't think that only PCB rely on funds from ICC. Except a few like India, Australia & England every other board depends on those funds. The biggest revenue generator for ICC is BCCI and it has now become so big that if India wants to move out of ICC many other countries would follow them and ICC would never want that to happen.

This is why I have argued for more team from India in the ICC competitions. Look at the last T20 World Cup. United Arab Emirates was one of the participants and most of the team members were Indian citizens. What is the point in having such a team? A much better option would be to have the Indian U-23 team or the India A team to participate in the tournament. In this way, the ICC can maximize revenues from India and they can put an end to the sham of Arab teams fielding "national" team that are entirely comprised of foreigners.

Even I agreed about few points from your side but still allowing more teams from India has never been fair because just having the biggest market is never been ideal situation here India needs to be act like big and use their power for having better and fair policies which help this game, and we will be able to have more countries and better results because this is need of the time despite having this fair policy these all culprits are doing poor decisions and going into Olympics with eight teams are never been idea situation as well.

I believe India is the biggest stakeholder and with this surely they need to be give their collaboration for the improvement and positive development, but sadly we have the worst things happening like UAE having all Indians and no one taking any action against this which is surely against the fair play policy.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on January 27, 2023, 03:04:35 AM

Explain this, why is India going to care too much about the money that they get from ICC when it is only 4- 5% of the annual revenue that BCCI gets? India is more likely to choose mental warfare against Pakistan rather than getting the money that they get from ICC in my opinion. At least that's what the Indian cricket board thinks.

LOL.. because it is simply too big. $405 million for a 8-year period sounds small for you?

Last time, BCCI fought tooth and nail to get their share increased. Originally Srinivasan had proposed $570 million for the BCCI, by reducing the allocation for associate nations to zero. Then Shashank Manohar came to power and he changed it to $293 million. High voltage drama followed for the next 12 months or so, and the BCCI at one point even threatened to pull out from all the ICC events. Finally a compromise deal was reached and the allocation for BCCI was again increased to $405 million, by reducing the share for associates.

Now tell me whether you still think that BCCI wouldn't care much about the grants from ICC. Grin

I understand that it is too big of an amount. But when it comes to between being humiliated and actually going to Pakistan to play the Asia cup and giving up the money that they get from ICC, I think India is always going to choose to give up the money.

But actually, the honest thing is I do not think the situation is ever going to go down that way. I believe all the things are going to be fixed and India is going to go to Pakistan to play the Asia cup and Pakistan will also play in the world cup. But even if India does not go to Pakistan to play the Asia cup and the Asia cup is eventually moved to another venue, I do not think Pakistan is ever going to miss the world cup.

And honestly, I think India is too big of a club. And giving up only 40 million, or at least around 40 million is not going to be that much of a big deal for them if things genuinely come down to that situation.

This is some huge sum of money India is getting from ICC and still acting like the boss who controls everything because of their stubborn and arrogant nature .
Asia Cup is a big question for everyone specially for people of Pakistan and India .
Hopefully things will be clear in February and fans will take a sigh of relief specially Pakistan fans who have been waiting for Asia Cup since long

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