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Quote from: WatChe on January 20, 2023, 03:27:28 AM

I think test cricket will remain in place at least at domestic level. Only recognized players are retiring from test cricket while young players have to play test format at domestic level to qualify for National side and then perform well in Test and T20 to be recognized. ICC should choose between ODI and T20I because both are of same type while T20 is liked by majority of viewers.

I don't know whether that is the case everywhere. In India, the performance in the domestic 4-day competition (Ranji Trophy) doesn't guarantee selection to the national team. Guys like Yashasvi Jaiswal and Sarfraz Khan have been performing exceptionally well year after year, and still the national selectors continue to ignore them. Even for the national team, the selection is made based on the performance in the IPL. Players with powerful backers in the IPL, such as Umran Malik and Mohammed Siraj find it easier to break in to the national team, while those who don't have this backing are always at a handicap.

Here are the top performers during the last edition of the Ranji Trophy. 12 months have passed and not even one of them was considered for the selection to the national test squad:

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Most chances this will survive for long time because we have good number of test format lovers in few countries like England, Australia and India with this we have no danger for this format even domestic set up will also help this because still many players are love to play this because they are feeling they are better and have good technique and skills which are helpful for having this format in their first choice

There is no denying the fact that Test matches are dying, how many audience you see during a match, even during the recently concluded Test series in Pakistan where the matches are held after a long period, the crowd was not there as expected and hardly you will see a full house crowd during Test matches unless it is the Ashes or the level of competition is good and majority of the players retire from the Test format early to focus on the shorter format and it is a fact.

There is no argument about this test cricket is one of the most boring sport right now but with this all you have to accept this also in few countries peoples still love this like recently we have big crowds in Australia and soon as we have cricketing season in England things could be completely different from Pakistan prospective because they are also facing serious troubles regarding their economy and many other factors are also preventing peoples from having good entertainment due to domestic issues but in rich countries and also in India which is well populated many are in love with this format and enjoy a lot even IPL and now WIPL are also on their full swing but cricket lovers are also had soft corner for this format as well, and they keep enjoying with this even many just check updates and highlights during their dinner.

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Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on January 20, 2023, 02:57:39 PM

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Most chances this will survive for long time because we have good number of test format lovers in few countries like England, Australia and India with this we have no danger for this format even domestic set up will also help this because still many players are love to play this because they are feeling they are better and have good technique and skills which are helpful for having this format in their first choice

There is no denying the fact that Test matches are dying, how many audience you see during a match, even during the recently concluded Test series in Pakistan where the matches are held after a long period, the crowd was not there as expected and hardly you will see a full house crowd during Test matches unless it is the Ashes or the level of competition is good and majority of the players retire from the Test format early to focus on the shorter format and it is a fact.

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Quote from: WatChe on January 20, 2023, 03:27:28 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2023, 11:39:34 PM

Yeah... with insane amounts of cricket being played by star players nowadays, records will get broken more frequently. But I am not sure about test cricket. The national boards still give a lot of importance to this format, but I am not sure for how long this trend will continue. Already a lot of the main players are retiring from test format to concentrate on limited overs cricket. For the boards also it doesn't make any sense to invest heavily in a format that provides minimal returns. Sachin's records may get broken by Kohli. But who will break Kohli's record? It may remain for a while, since test format is getting obsolete.

I think test cricket will remain in place at least at domestic level. Only recognized players are retiring from test cricket while young players have to play test format at domestic level to qualify for National side and then perform well in Test and T20 to be recognized. ICC should choose between ODI and T20I because both are of same type while T20 is liked by majority of viewers.

Most chances this will survive for long time because we have good number of test format lovers in few countries like England, Australia and India with this we have no danger for this format even domestic set up will also help this because still many players are love to play this because they are feeling they are better and have good technique and skills which are helpful for having this format in their first choice T20 and one day these both are fast but things, so currently these are in limelight and franchise cricket is also giving good money to players which are increasing their craze, but this all is not for all players many are having things completely different and love to play this long format.

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Quote from: WatChe on January 20, 2023, 03:27:28 AM

I think test cricket will remain in place at least at domestic level. Only recognized players are retiring from test cricket while young players have to play test format at domestic level to qualify for National side and then perform well in Test and T20 to be recognized. ICC should choose between ODI and T20I because both are of same type while T20 is liked by majority of viewers.

Basically majority of people like the T20I because the ODI and Test cricket matches make people little bit tired and mostly people like T20I because it finished earlier as compare to the ODI and Test matches. And one more thing is that in T20 boundaries collection remain high as compare to others. Therefore people like T20 most.

No doubt we are currently living in a fast age with things are moving very quickly around us and mostly peoples having no enough time for watching these formats Test and ODI but still we have a big fan base those are still having love affair with these formats and if they are not able to watch matches in ground or at their homes but still they love to check updates on playing day because they are still having good feeling about these two formats and enjoy to check things on time.

Just because of this all we are having ICC doing few changes and bringing WTC and still going with the ODI world cup mean these formats could be stayed for few decades before going out of the reach for the next generation which could be more lazy from us as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2023, 11:39:34 PM

Yeah... with insane amounts of cricket being played by star players nowadays, records will get broken more frequently. But I am not sure about test cricket. The national boards still give a lot of importance to this format, but I am not sure for how long this trend will continue. Already a lot of the main players are retiring from test format to concentrate on limited overs cricket. For the boards also it doesn't make any sense to invest heavily in a format that provides minimal returns. Sachin's records may get broken by Kohli. But who will break Kohli's record? It may remain for a while, since test format is getting obsolete.

I think test cricket will remain in place at least at domestic level. Only recognized players are retiring from test cricket while young players have to play test format at domestic level to qualify for National side and then perform well in Test and T20 to be recognized. ICC should choose between ODI and T20I because both are of same type while T20 is liked by majority of viewers.

Basically majority of people like the T20I because the ODI and Test cricket matches make people little bit tired and mostly people like T20I because it finished earlier as compare to the ODI and Test matches. And one more thing is that in T20 boundaries collection remain high as compare to others. Therefore people like T20 most.

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Someday records gets broken. This is common with every sports, but the time taken to break the record matters. In that sense it is great achievement from Virat Kohli. Comparison is not a bad thing, because comparison helps with achieving further than stopping thyself. In my view comparison between Sachin and Virat Kohli is not wrong.

Yeah... with insane amounts of cricket being played by star players nowadays, records will get broken more frequently. But I am not sure about test cricket. The national boards still give a lot of importance to this format, but I am not sure for how long this trend will continue. Already a lot of the main players are retiring from test format to concentrate on limited overs cricket. For the boards also it doesn't make any sense to invest heavily in a format that provides minimal returns. Sachin's records may get broken by Kohli. But who will break Kohli's record? It may remain for a while, since test format is getting obsolete.

Definitely now few records are not considered to be broken because things are completely change in last 10 to 15 years with many players having early retirement from the International cricket or test format for giving themselves a better chance to play shorter format and having enough money before their retirement which is good for them but here I have to praise Australian Cricket because mostly they have good pool for the test format, and they play for 8 to 12 years then having retirement which is surely fair enough for many players but in India and England we have no things like these mostly they play more cricket and have not fair policy for the other formats as well which needs to be settled.

Even now things needs to change with two pools for the players and test format needs to be had enough salary which cover their career if they are not able to play other formats and just having good time in test format and domestic game with 3 or 4 days matches because this can bring good intention.

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Quote from: WatChe on January 20, 2023, 03:27:28 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2023, 11:39:34 PM

Yeah... with insane amounts of cricket being played by star players nowadays, records will get broken more frequently. But I am not sure about test cricket. The national boards still give a lot of importance to this format, but I am not sure for how long this trend will continue. Already a lot of the main players are retiring from test format to concentrate on limited overs cricket. For the boards also it doesn't make any sense to invest heavily in a format that provides minimal returns. Sachin's records may get broken by Kohli. But who will break Kohli's record? It may remain for a while, since test format is getting obsolete.

I think test cricket will remain in place at least at domestic level. Only recognized players are retiring from test cricket while young players have to play test format at domestic level to qualify for National side and then perform well in Test and T20 to be recognized. ICC should choose between ODI and T20I because both are of same type while T20 is liked by majority of viewers.

I think cricket has to be fixed from the ground up. Because I do not understand, when everything is moving towards the shorter formats of cricket why most of the domestic cricket is being played in the test format? Probably for one thing which is the test format teaches the players, the basics. Without test cricket, players will not be able to understand the basics of this game. But otherwise, it's not very useful in this day and age. With others I also want to say, ICC should move on and forget about test cricket. Concentrating on shorter formats is going to be the best thing for ICC to do.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2023, 11:39:34 PM

Yeah... with insane amounts of cricket being played by star players nowadays, records will get broken more frequently. But I am not sure about test cricket. The national boards still give a lot of importance to this format, but I am not sure for how long this trend will continue. Already a lot of the main players are retiring from test format to concentrate on limited overs cricket. For the boards also it doesn't make any sense to invest heavily in a format that provides minimal returns. Sachin's records may get broken by Kohli. But who will break Kohli's record? It may remain for a while, since test format is getting obsolete.

I think test cricket will remain in place at least at domestic level. Only recognized players are retiring from test cricket while young players have to play test format at domestic level to qualify for National side and then perform well in Test and T20 to be recognized. ICC should choose between ODI and T20I because both are of same type while T20 is liked by majority of viewers.

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Quote from: romero121 on January 19, 2023, 07:59:36 PM

Someday records gets broken. This is common with every sports, but the time taken to break the record matters. In that sense it is great achievement from Virat Kohli. Comparison is not a bad thing, because comparison helps with achieving further than stopping thyself. In my view comparison between Sachin and Virat Kohli is not wrong.

Yeah... with insane amounts of cricket being played by star players nowadays, records will get broken more frequently. But I am not sure about test cricket. The national boards still give a lot of importance to this format, but I am not sure for how long this trend will continue. Already a lot of the main players are retiring from test format to concentrate on limited overs cricket. For the boards also it doesn't make any sense to invest heavily in a format that provides minimal returns. Sachin's records may get broken by Kohli. But who will break Kohli's record? It may remain for a while, since test format is getting obsolete.

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The experience from T20 and Test matches were completely different. For that we can't say the player who had performed well can't play good in test matches. In the past we used to hear the statement, Sachin's records can't be beaten. What is happening. Virat Kohli is so close and soon he'll beat all the records. Same as that, in bowling we've got legendary bowlers from Australia and for the same it doesn't mean the present bowlers are down to them in performance.

Sachin himself in an interview had said that one batter that can beat his record is Kholi. Sachin was from an era when an umpires was the only decision makers. Virat is from an era where apart from the umpires there are softwares that help the umpires to make a decision. Still if Kholi is able to beat Sachin's record then it is a great achievement for him.

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2023, 01:57:04 AM

Therefore I would still rate Sachin ahead of Virat. And one more thing. Sachin was a gentleman, both on and off the field. Unlike Kohli who behaves like a Baboon.

Sachin is a legend! These new age batters grew up watching Sachin play cricket. He is still a gentleman on and off the field. His simplicity is what made him the God of Cricket. I also agree Kholi behaves like a Baboon on the field not sure how he behave off the field.

Records are made to be broken by someone , and that's the fun of game . Sachin is an idol and all cricketers look up to him for his performance and his batting , he is the oneans no one can compete him .

Yes virat kohli might break his cricket records but he can't beat his politeness and personality and his good nature.

Someday records gets broken. This is common with every sports, but the time taken to break the record matters. In that sense it is great achievement from Virat Kohli. Comparison is not a bad thing, because comparison helps with achieving further than stopping thyself. In my view comparison between Sachin and Virat Kohli is not wrong.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2023, 01:57:04 AM

Just looking at the stats, you can't compare Sachin and Virat. Sachin had to face the best of the best - Glenn McGrath, Brett Lee, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Waqar Younis, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Alan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Shane Warne, Muttiah Muralitharan.etc. And back then, cricket rules were also neutral towards the bowlers, with no free hit and field restrictions. Therefore I would still rate Sachin ahead of Virat. And one more thing. Sachin was a gentleman, both on and off the field. Unlike Kohli who behaves like a Baboon.

One main thing is before 2000 there was no Big 3 and every country has equal rights in ICC. Today whole cricket is controlled by T20 leagues. If you are not in good term with Big-3 Boards then very likely you will miss there leagues. T20 leagues on one hand have brought entertainment in cricket world but they have dark aspect also.

Many things can happen in the dark that have no basis in reality. I just want to say if they make any corruption, it will remain in the dark. There is nothing to prove it in the light. So naturally you have to accept these problems and adopt it. However, the Big Three did not happen easily in one day. Realize that those who are in the Big 3 are all in the leading position of cricket. Otherwise there is no one who is weak in cricket but involved in big three? Since financial support is now the most important ‍aspect in cricket, it cannot be accumulated or sufficient without the Big 3.

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The experience from T20 and Test matches were completely different. For that we can't say the player who had performed well can't play good in test matches. In the past we used to hear the statement, Sachin's records can't be beaten. What is happening. Virat Kohli is so close and soon he'll beat all the records. Same as that, in bowling we've got legendary bowlers from Australia and for the same it doesn't mean the present bowlers are down to them in performance.

Sachin himself in an interview had said that one batter that can beat his record is Kholi. Sachin was from an era when an umpires was the only decision makers. Virat is from an era where apart from the umpires there are softwares that help the umpires to make a decision. Still if Kholi is able to beat Sachin's record then it is a great achievement for him.

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2023, 01:57:04 AM

Therefore I would still rate Sachin ahead of Virat. And one more thing. Sachin was a gentleman, both on and off the field. Unlike Kohli who behaves like a Baboon.

Sachin is a legend! These new age batters grew up watching Sachin play cricket. He is still a gentleman on and off the field. His simplicity is what made him the God of Cricket. I also agree Kholi behaves like a Baboon on the field not sure how he behave off the field.

Records are made to be broken by someone , and that's the fun of game . Sachin is an idol and all cricketers look up to him for his performance and his batting , he is the oneans no one can compete him .

Yes virat kohli might break his cricket records but he can't beat his politeness and personality and his good nature.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2023, 01:57:04 AM

Just looking at the stats, you can't compare Sachin and Virat. Sachin had to face the best of the best - Glenn McGrath, Brett Lee, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Waqar Younis, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Alan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Shane Warne, Muttiah Muralitharan.etc. And back then, cricket rules were also neutral towards the bowlers, with no free hit and field restrictions. Therefore I would still rate Sachin ahead of Virat. And one more thing. Sachin was a gentleman, both on and off the field. Unlike Kohli who behaves like a Baboon.

One main thing is before 2000 there was no Big 3 and every country has equal rights in ICC. Today whole cricket is controlled by T20 leagues. If you are not in good term with Big-3 Boards then very likely you will miss there leagues. T20 leagues on one hand have brought entertainment in cricket world but they have dark aspect also.

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Quote from: KennyR on January 19, 2023, 12:39:20 AM

The experience from T20 and Test matches were completely different. For that we can't say the player who had performed well can't play good in test matches. In the past we used to hear the statement, Sachin's records can't be beaten. What is happening. Virat Kohli is so close and soon he'll beat all the records. Same as that, in bowling we've got legendary bowlers from Australia and for the same it doesn't mean the present bowlers are down to them in performance.

Sachin himself in an interview had said that one batter that can beat his record is Kholi. Sachin was from an era when an umpires was the only decision makers. Virat is from an era where apart from the umpires there are softwares that help the umpires to make a decision. Still if Kholi is able to beat Sachin's record then it is a great achievement for him.

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2023, 01:57:04 AM

Therefore I would still rate Sachin ahead of Virat. And one more thing. Sachin was a gentleman, both on and off the field. Unlike Kohli who behaves like a Baboon.

Sachin is a legend! These new age batters grew up watching Sachin play cricket. He is still a gentleman on and off the field. His simplicity is what made him the God of Cricket. I also agree Kholi behaves like a Baboon on the field not sure how he behave off the field.

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Quote from: KennyR on January 19, 2023, 12:39:20 AM

The experience from T20 and Test matches were completely different. For that we can't say the player who had performed well can't play good in test matches. In the past we used to hear the statement, Sachin's records can't be beaten. What is happening. Virat Kohli is so close and soon he'll beat all the records. Same as that, in bowling we've got legendary bowlers from Australia and for the same it doesn't mean the present bowlers are down to them in performance.

Just looking at the stats, you can't compare Sachin and Virat. Sachin had to face the best of the best - Glenn McGrath, Brett Lee, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Waqar Younis, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Alan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Shane Warne, Muttiah Muralitharan.etc. And back then, cricket rules were also neutral towards the bowlers, with no free hit and field restrictions. Therefore I would still rate Sachin ahead of Virat. And one more thing. Sachin was a gentleman, both on and off the field. Unlike Kohli who behaves like a Baboon.

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@Sithara007 I totally agree that today’s generation of Australian bowler’s can’t be compared to Lee and McGrath, however I don’t agree with the part where you say that they’ll be dominated by Indian batsman easily. Also I understand that Indian pitches favour spinners more, but I have a feeling that Australian pace bowler’s won’t struggle that much due the experience they have gained of bowling on Indian pitches while playing in IPL.

I have my doubts here. How the T20 experience is going to help them in test matches. And BTW, when was Mitchell Starc last played in the IPL? And has Nathan Lyon ever participated in the league? Only Hazlewood and Cummins participate in the IPL on a regular basis. Others such as Jhye Richardson and Nathan Ellis rarely make it to the playing XI. One thing that I can agree with you right now is that the Australians recently had a tour of Pakistan and there the conditions are somewhat similar to that in India. The bowlers performed decently there.

The experience from T20 and Test matches were completely different. For that we can't say the player who had performed well can't play good in test matches. In the past we used to hear the statement, Sachin's records can't be beaten. What is happening. Virat Kohli is so close and soon he'll beat all the records. Same as that, in bowling we've got legendary bowlers from Australia and for the same it doesn't mean the present bowlers are down to them in performance.

Maybe good players can play well in all formats if they try. But in this concern a player needs to take enough time. There are a lot of good players in cricket at the moment. Moreover, a player is allowed to play in the format in which he feels comfortable. When a T20 player is allowed to play in the Test format, there may be some deficiencies in him which are difficult to change immediately. But there are some legendary players like Virat Kohli and Sachinwho can adapt to any situation not only that with the change of time, few cricketers have also improved a lot. they are more advanced. They will be able to adapt the situation very easily.

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@Sithara007 I totally agree that today’s generation of Australian bowler’s can’t be compared to Lee and McGrath, however I don’t agree with the part where you say that they’ll be dominated by Indian batsman easily. Also I understand that Indian pitches favour spinners more, but I have a feeling that Australian pace bowler’s won’t struggle that much due the experience they have gained of bowling on Indian pitches while playing in IPL.

I have my doubts here. How the T20 experience is going to help them in test matches. And BTW, when was Mitchell Starc last played in the IPL? And has Nathan Lyon ever participated in the league? Only Hazlewood and Cummins participate in the IPL on a regular basis. Others such as Jhye Richardson and Nathan Ellis rarely make it to the playing XI. One thing that I can agree with you right now is that the Australians recently had a tour of Pakistan and there the conditions are somewhat similar to that in India. The bowlers performed decently there.

The experience from T20 and Test matches were completely different. For that we can't say the player who had performed well can't play good in test matches. In the past we used to hear the statement, Sachin's records can't be beaten. What is happening. Virat Kohli is so close and soon he'll beat all the records. Same as that, in bowling we've got legendary bowlers from Australia and for the same it doesn't mean the present bowlers are down to them in performance.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 18, 2023, 03:51:40 AM

@Sithara007 I totally agree that today’s generation of Australian bowler’s can’t be compared to Lee and McGrath, however I don’t agree with the part where you say that they’ll be dominated by Indian batsman easily. Also I understand that Indian pitches favour spinners more, but I have a feeling that Australian pace bowler’s won’t struggle that much due the experience they have gained of bowling on Indian pitches while playing in IPL.

I have my doubts here. How the T20 experience is going to help them in test matches. And BTW, when was Mitchell Starc last played in the IPL? And has Nathan Lyon ever participated in the league? Only Hazlewood and Cummins participate in the IPL on a regular basis. Others such as Jhye Richardson and Nathan Ellis rarely make it to the playing XI. One thing that I can agree with you right now is that the Australians recently had a tour of Pakistan and there the conditions are somewhat similar to that in India. The bowlers performed decently there.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 18, 2023, 03:51:40 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2023, 02:46:19 AM

You can't compare the current bunch of bowlers such as Cummins and Starc to legends such as Brett Lee and Glen McGrath. Lee and McGrath were able to perform decently in sub-continent conditions (most of the times). I don't know how the current Aussie pacers will adjust to the Indian conditions. In all probability they will be eaten alive by Indian batsmen such as Kohli and Rohit. Obviously their main drawback is with spin bowling. Once they had Shane Warne and Stuart MacGill. Now they have Nathan Lyon and Mitchell Swepson.

@Sithara007 I totally agree that today’s generation of Australian bowler’s can’t be compared to Lee and McGrath, however I don’t agree with the part where you say that they’ll be dominated by Indian batsman easily. Also I understand that Indian pitches favour spinners more, but I have a feeling that Australian pace bowler’s won’t struggle that much due the experience they have gained of bowling on Indian pitches while playing in IPL.

I am not in favor of doing comparison like these because every player and time have different atmosphere and conditions for the player and any player can do his best with these conditions hopefully we will have good competition for the Indian batting lineup in this coming test series because both teams are having at the top of the game with Australia just thrashed West Indies and South Africa and India having good time at home in all formats which is giving indicators this series could be the full of action between these two in presence of Kohli, Rohit and Pujara with facing Cummins and Starc which are surely currently best in their business in all conditions.

But, surely currently India is BGT trophy holder and playing at home which is giving them good advantage, and they can take this trophy but now this time it's not going to be easy for them with recently Australia's tour of Pakistan and Sri Lanka could be also helpful for them in this series.

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