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And Home domination continues.. In last 2 decades India has lost only 2 series at home. 1 against Australia in 2004-05. 1 against England in 2012-13.

Most consecutive test series wins at home. Let's see when this streak comes to end, my bet would be on Australia if Lyon clicks in next tour but again India has Ashwin-Jadeja-Axar trio as all rounders, it won't be a easy task but not impossible either.

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So India have already won this match with a huge margin of 372 runs with newzealand getting all out in 167 in their second innings with ashwin and jayant yadav getting 4 wickets each.
Azaz patel got a historic record in this match and apart from that it was a match to forget for newzealand specially their first innings getting out only for 62 runs was not expected from world champions. Overall a complete performance from team India.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 05, 2021, 04:22:14 PM

Quote from: og kush420 on December 05, 2021, 10:38:16 AM

NZ batsman showed zero respect for 10 Wickets in an innings by Patel. Surely India will come out victorious in the match. Kohli is struggling to regain his form, he need some more time probably. Only rain can save NZ, is there any rain forecast for coming two days of play?

India just need 5 wickets to wrap up the match and two days time to pick those wickets, knowing that New Zealand was able to defend loosing their final wicket in the first Test match when i really thought India would wrap up the match easily, New Zealand showed a fighting spirit but in a situation like this it is impossible.

The previous match was almost in the hands of India, but New Zealand played in a much better way and it ended with a draw as there is no more time. This time two complete days left for five wickets to be taken confirms the winning of India. As said, only rain can help them draw the match. Right now Southern part of India is full of rain, and there is no rain for the particular state in which the match is going on.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on December 05, 2021, 10:21:41 AM

I am also feeling in same way this tour is completely waste of time and having some serious threat for players in current situation but as BCCI announced they will go ahead which is really shocking why they are insisting for this tour because Covid cases are rising very quickly many concerns and voices also rising, but we have to wait for official announcement from them in next few days what they are doing about this all.

Today India completely dominant in third day of match and now need just 5 more wickets to win this test and series Ashwin destroying batting line up very quickly like a champion bowler and now leading test wicket taker in this year.

Posted this couple of days back and that's a close reason of this tour getting green light according to SA's media and recent announcement is official. BCCI can't just leave Proteas in middle of crisis, they are already facing so many off-ground problems.

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There is no question that players safety is must but it won't be a straight forward decision. CSA is in deep financial crisis and withdrawal from the Australia-England didn't help either so they are expecting BCCI to pull them out from this situation as this tour is worth almost half in value, what CSA receive from the ICC.

And then their is some political angle too. This tour is the 30th anniversary of South Africa re-entry to International Cricket after they faced a ban, coincidentally India was the first country to host them. India A and South Africa A already playing each other so it does look like that both boards don't want to cancel the tour, let's see what happens.

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Quote from: og kush420 on December 05, 2021, 10:38:16 AM

NZ batsman showed zero respect for 10 Wickets in an innings by Patel. Surely India will come out victorious in the match. Kohli is struggling to regain his form, he need some more time probably. Only rain can save NZ, is there any rain forecast for coming two days of play?

India just need 5 wickets to wrap up the match and two days time to pick those wickets, knowing that New Zealand was able to defend loosing their final wicket in the first Test match when i really thought India would wrap up the match easily, New Zealand showed a fighting spirit but in a situation like this it is impossible.

If New Zealand spinner is able to pick 10 wickets and trouble Indian batsman who are known to play spin better in this pitch, you cannot expect any team to hold against the world class spinners India has and that is what we saw with New Zealand.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on December 05, 2021, 01:49:25 PM

the vaccines that India had were given to elderly people first then the young people and they were just considering giving it to the kids, but before they do that the new variant of coronavirus has been detected and if India tours under these circumstances, I think it will put the whole Indian nation at risk. But I honestly do not think that they will go through with their decisions and probably will cancel the tour later.

Right now it's not all about vaccination there are many other factors also working western media is exposing how these big multibillion medicine companies doing hypocrisy and having double or treble their profit in the name of this vaccination as effected peoples number increasing very quickly recently in many countries, and now we have this new Omicron which is the more problem right now specially in African countries can create serious troubles so better avoiding and staying at home is much better because always safety is very important but BCCI never thinks about this as they have their own agenda and money greediness which is now having some trouble for their players those are really important for their greediness.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on December 05, 2021, 03:15:35 PM

Quote from: LittleBitFunny on December 05, 2021, 01:07:07 PM

Omicron situation is getting worse day by day not only BCCI but almost all the cricket board should consider this as a great threat to the health of the players and possibly cancel all the near future tours.

I do not think they will cancel all the upcoming matches but may take a decision of playing behind the closed doors. The Ashes series is going to start from 8th December which must be one of the highly awaited one hence I also will vote for playing by not allowing any audience rather than cancelling it.

Quote from: kro55 on December 05, 2021, 02:33:56 PM

To be honest I am going to be blunt and I think that Duckworth Lewis is the shittiest thing that could happen in cricket. This rule needs to be renovated really soon.

There were alternatives have been suggested but not sure when ICC will nod for adapting a new algorithm for setting targets for interrupted matches. In my D/L rules are practical with at least 5 overs left; otherwise you may get impossible targets for balls.

In my view test cricket don't need any changes because it's already doing very good as now after introduction of twenty/20 and 10 League we have very good changes so its need to going as it's having right now for better results. In near future ODI are going to be dead or end with these both short formats are going to have big impact on this game good entertainment and quick results peoples love these both and these can bring some more markets for cricket because surely peoples will love these both test could be just in hand of 9 or 10 countries with just top 6 will be good and others will struggle like right now we have West Indies. Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on December 05, 2021, 01:07:07 PM

Omicron situation is getting worse day by day not only BCCI but almost all the cricket board should consider this as a great threat to the health of the players and possibly cancel all the near future tours.

I do not think they will cancel all the upcoming matches but may take a decision of playing behind the closed doors. The Ashes series is going to start from 8th December which must be one of the highly awaited one hence I also will vote for playing by not allowing any audience rather than cancelling it.

Quote from: kro55 on December 05, 2021, 02:33:56 PM

To be honest I am going to be blunt and I think that Duckworth Lewis is the shittiest thing that could happen in cricket. This rule needs to be renovated really soon.

There were alternatives have been suggested but not sure when ICC will nod for adapting a new algorithm for setting targets for interrupted matches. In my D/L rules are practical with at least 5 overs left; otherwise you may get impossible targets for balls.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 05, 2021, 08:32:56 AM

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 04, 2021, 05:12:42 PM

If there was no draw result in test cricket, we would clearly obtained a result(India winning in this case). India literally wrapped up the match, but these stupid archaic rules impeded their win.
Test matches clearly need a Duckworth Lewis type of system in order to minimise draws. Draw result should only be applied in the test format in specific situations(Weather related issues etc).

After reading your old posts I was feeling you are good aware about cricket rules but after reading this one now I am feeling you have no knowledge about this, or you are really upset with this result draw because these are not new rules all applying for all teams with same level so if this match end in draw then nothing new happen because we have many matches like this ends in draw even one team was superior to win and having some good advantages.

You judged it right. As long as indians are winning, they like the rules but as soon as they see that indians are unable to win, they try to find excuses for the loss/draw and even want to change the rules of the game for their benefit Cheesy

Coming the 2nd test between Pakistan and Bangladesh, it seems that rain is spoiling the test and we are heading towards a draw. If we have full three days matches, then Pakistan first has to make 500+ runs and then take 20 wickets in about 2 days, a tough task at present.

To be honest I am going to be blunt and I think that Duckworth Lewis is the shittiest thing that could happen in cricket. This rule needs to be renovated really soon. And I have to say that the system of winning losing or drawing in the test match is really found at this moment. because if we put Duckworth-lewis in this situation in a test match where it was supposed to be drawn, I think that it will cause more problems because then the losing team will have absolutely no chance of gaining anything from that match.

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Quote from: romero121 on December 05, 2021, 09:44:40 AM

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on December 05, 2021, 09:15:25 AM

I think the health of the players and public is more important than the cricket tournaments. Since the new virus variant is originated from South Africa, it perfectly fine for the Indian team not to visit the infected country. Indian cricket board and other authorities should make the decision in the best interest of the players.

If the Indian team goes ahead with their plan to tour South Africa later this month, then it is going to have extreme consequences. The most worrying aspect is that the majority of the Omicron cases in South Africa are among children younger than 5. If the Indian players come back with this mutated strain to India, then it is going to start the third wave of COVID in India. And here in India, none of the children younger than 18 years are vaccinated (unlike the case with the majority of the developed nations).

India recently marked its one billion vaccination two months back. Then onwards the government is planning for the vaccination for kids, but nothing has reached a conclusion and kids aren't vaccinated. Maybe if the South Africa tour is conducted surely this can lead to some complications. Cricket boards will surely take this into account.

Yes, you are right and that has happened because the vaccines that India had were given to elderly people first then the young people and they were just considering giving it to the kids, but before they do that the new variant of coronavirus has been detected and if India tours under these circumstances, I think it will put the whole Indian nation at risk. But I honestly do not think that they will go through with their decisions and probably will cancel the tour later.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on December 05, 2021, 10:21:41 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 04, 2021, 11:04:26 PM

I don't think that India will be able to tour South Africa. The COVID cases are exploding there and yesterday they reported more than 16,000 cases. One week ago, this was in the 2,000-3,000 range. Omicron is destroying South Africa, and I am sure that the situation will get worse in the coming days. I don't know what was Jay Shah smoking when he announced the tour. Even if the tour goes ahead as planned, many of the senior players are going to pull out. And no sporting activity is happening in RSA right now. Everything is stopped.

I am also feeling in same way this tour is completely waste of time and having some serious threat for players in current situation but as BCCI announced they will go ahead which is really shocking why they are insisting for this tour because Covid cases are rising very quickly many concerns and voices also rising, but we have to wait for official announcement from them in next few days what they are doing about this all.

Today India completely dominant in third day of match and now need just 5 more wickets to win this test and series Ashwin destroying batting line up very quickly like a champion bowler and now leading test wicket taker in this year.

Omicron situation is getting worse day by day not only BCCI but almost all the cricket board should consider this as a great threat to the health of the players and possibly cancel all the near future tours.
New Zealand currently needs 400 runs to win against India and they have already lost 5 wickets for 140 runs. There is no possibility in my mind where Newzealand wins this match.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on December 05, 2021, 10:21:41 AM

Today India completely dominant in third day of match and now need just 5 more wickets to win this test and series Ashwin destroying batting line up very quickly like a champion bowler and now leading test wicket taker in this year.

NZ batsman showed zero respect for 10 Wickets in an innings by Patel. Surely India will come out victorious in the match. Kohli is struggling to regain his form, he need some more time probably. Only rain can save NZ, is there any rain forecast for coming two days of play?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 04, 2021, 11:04:26 PM

I don't think that India will be able to tour South Africa. The COVID cases are exploding there and yesterday they reported more than 16,000 cases. One week ago, this was in the 2,000-3,000 range. Omicron is destroying South Africa, and I am sure that the situation will get worse in the coming days. I don't know what was Jay Shah smoking when he announced the tour. Even if the tour goes ahead as planned, many of the senior players are going to pull out. And no sporting activity is happening in RSA right now. Everything is stopped.

I am also feeling in same way this tour is completely waste of time and having some serious threat for players in current situation but as BCCI announced they will go ahead which is really shocking why they are insisting for this tour because Covid cases are rising very quickly many concerns and voices also rising, but we have to wait for official announcement from them in next few days what they are doing about this all.

Today India completely dominant in third day of match and now need just 5 more wickets to win this test and series Ashwin destroying batting line up very quickly like a champion bowler and now leading test wicket taker in this year.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 05, 2021, 09:35:22 AM

Quote from: JohnBitCo on December 05, 2021, 09:15:25 AM

I think the health of the players and public is more important than the cricket tournaments. Since the new virus variant is originated from South Africa, it perfectly fine for the Indian team not to visit the infected country. Indian cricket board and other authorities should make the decision in the best interest of the players.

If the Indian team goes ahead with their plan to tour South Africa later this month, then it is going to have extreme consequences. The most worrying aspect is that the majority of the Omicron cases in South Africa are among children younger than 5. If the Indian players come back with this mutated strain to India, then it is going to start the third wave of COVID in India. And here in India, none of the children younger than 18 years are vaccinated (unlike the case with the majority of the developed nations).

India recently marked its one billion vaccination two months back. Then onwards the government is planning for the vaccination for kids, but nothing has reached a conclusion and kids aren't vaccinated. Maybe if the South Africa tour is conducted surely this can lead to some complications. Cricket boards will surely take this into account.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on December 05, 2021, 09:15:25 AM

I think the health of the players and public is more important than the cricket tournaments. Since the new virus variant is originated from South Africa, it perfectly fine for the Indian team not to visit the infected country. Indian cricket board and other authorities should make the decision in the best interest of the players.

If the Indian team goes ahead with their plan to tour South Africa later this month, then it is going to have extreme consequences. The most worrying aspect is that the majority of the Omicron cases in South Africa are among children younger than 5. If the Indian players come back with this mutated strain to India, then it is going to start the third wave of COVID in India. And here in India, none of the children younger than 18 years are vaccinated (unlike the case with the majority of the developed nations).

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on December 05, 2021, 06:41:41 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 05, 2021, 05:00:59 AM

That's not the point, this is about the new variant which is creating havoc in South Africa. The only thing we know it is very easily transferrable than the previous variant. We also do not know how effective are vaccines with this variant. If these things are considered then I also feel this series might get cancelled.

My friend when ipl was taking place in India almost 50k people were dying each day still nobody was bothered about that and you are supporting that point. It was postponed when voices from inside India rose up. That variant was also very deadly but everyone cares about money more then covid.

I think the health of the players and public is more important than the cricket tournaments. Since the new virus variant is originated from South Africa, it perfectly fine for the Indian team not to visit the infected country. Indian cricket board and other authorities should make the decision in the best interest of the players.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 05, 2021, 08:32:56 AM

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Coming the 2nd test between Pakistan and Bangladesh, it seems that rain is spoiling the test and we are heading towards a draw. If we have full three days matches, then Pakistan first has to make 500+ runs and then take 20 wickets in about 2 days, a tough task at present.

Very little cricket on this day as the day has been canceled because of raining. Pakistan scored just 27 runs as the greater part of Day 2 was washed off at Mirpur. Day 3 conjecture isn't excessively great however we can hope cricket on the pitch. Up until this point, the match has been dominated by Pakistan. If the circumstance won't change Bangladesh could get advantage, summarizing their current present situation a draw would be nice reward to them.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on December 05, 2021, 02:22:21 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on December 04, 2021, 05:12:42 PM

If there was no draw result in test cricket, we would clearly obtained a result(India winning in this case). India literally wrapped up the match, but these stupid archaic rules impeded their win.

Test matches clearly need a Duckworth Lewis type of system in order to minimise draws. Draw result should only be applied in the test format in specific situations(Weather related issues etc).

After reading your old posts I was feeling you are good aware about cricket rules but after reading this one now I am feeling you have no knowledge about this, or you are really upset with this result draw because these are not new rules all applying for all teams with same level so if this match end in draw then nothing new happen because we have many matches like this ends in draw even one team was superior to win and having some good advantages.

You judged it right. As long as indians are winning, they like the rules but as soon as they see that indians are unable to win, they try to find excuses for the loss/draw and even want to change the rules of the game for their benefit Cheesy

Coming the 2nd test between Pakistan and Bangladesh, it seems that rain is spoiling the test and we are heading towards a draw. If we have full three days matches, then Pakistan first has to make 500+ runs and then take 20 wickets in about 2 days, a tough task at present.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 05, 2021, 07:50:02 AM

IPL is a revenue generating event and because it was successful last time in Dubai, BCCI was adamant in its completion. Please do not compare IPL with a bilateral series. Also the same voices can again start asking BCCI to cancel this tournament. You cannot compare a higher revenue generating event with a bilateral series.

It was held in Dubai, because players tested positive when the first phase was being held in India. The BCCI wanted to resume the tournament in India, but most of the players (both Indian and foreign) were against the idea. But another major factor was the tax issue. Tournaments in India are subjected to 43% federal tax, in addition to sizable local taxes. And as far as UAE is concerned, I guess there are no taxes applicable on sports tournaments. Both the BCCI and the players benefited from this.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on December 05, 2021, 06:41:41 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 05, 2021, 05:00:59 AM

That's not the point, this is about the new variant which is creating havoc in South Africa. The only thing we know it is very easily transferrable than the previous variant. We also do not know how effective are vaccines with this variant. If these things are considered then I also feel this series might get cancelled.

My friend when ipl was taking place in India almost 50k people were dying each day still nobody was bothered about that and you are supporting that point. It was postponed when voices from inside India rose up. That variant was also very deadly but everyone cares about money more then covid.

IPL is a revenue generating event and because it was successful last time in Dubai, BCCI was adamant in its completion. Please do not compare IPL with a bilateral series. Also the same voices can again start asking BCCI to cancel this tournament. You cannot compare a higher revenue generating event with a bilateral series.

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