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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 02, 2022, 06:44:05 AM

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I am sure the English board would have discussed his mental health and would have also discussed it with doctors and then only they had given him this responsibility. If still he losses his mind during the upcoming match then he might lose his career at this time. I think they will either choose Stuart Broad or Jos Buttler as the vice captain.

I am not sure whether the England Cricket board evaluated and consulted his doctors before giving him the captaincy. The upcoming series will determine whether Ben Stokes will be able to perform well as a captain and whether he will be able to deliver his performances and if he is able to do that it is well and good. Jos Buttler could be the Vice Captain.

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Quote from: BALIK on May 03, 2022, 08:42:30 AM

I think the ICC funds should be spent on the teams who are actually serious about cricket and are not making the whole team only with outsiders.

I really don't think it's like they don't have any native players.

I think that the team is made out of foreign players just because they don't want to spend time and money searching for players in the native region.

So, instead of giving them a good amount of money, I think ICC should concentrate on the countries that are actually trying to find legit players to play for the national team and give them some money for help.

This is what we are trying to figure out that why ICC is giving more funds to teams that have 100% foreigner players over teams that have 100% native players. Its an irony that 100 years old game is still having a world cup of 8 to 10 teams. Cricket need to expand beyond these 10 countries, its need of the hour.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 02, 2022, 08:48:21 PM

Quote from: galambo on May 02, 2022, 05:15:33 AM

I don't think countries who have talent like Nepal can afford foreigner players. With 10,000$ you can't expect a country to develop a quality team. If Oman is getting .5 million per year then it's just wastage of icc funds since they can't produce a structure that can produce a team in the long run.

Well.. I agree with this. Whatever ICC funds that are flowing to Oman ends up in the hands of players from India and Pakistan. There is no long term benefit for the game in Oman, as these players return to their homelands after a few years. On the other hand, teams such as Nepal and Kenya are suffering from a reduction in the ICC fund allocation for sometime. I don't know much about Kenya, but Nepal is a cricket crazy nation and it is one of the most popular sports there. The same can be said about a few other countries, such as PNG, Maldives and Fiji.

I think the ICC funds should be spent on the teams who are actually serious about cricket and are not making the whole team only with outsiders.

I really don't think it's like they don't have any native players.

I think that the team is made out of foreign players just because they don't want to spend time and money searching for players in the native region.

So, instead of giving them a good amount of money, I think ICC should concentrate on the countries that are actually trying to find legit players to play for the national team and give them some money for help.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 02, 2022, 08:48:21 PM

Well.. I agree with this. Whatever ICC funds that are flowing to Oman ends up in the hands of players from India and Pakistan. There is no long term benefit for the game in Oman, as these players return to their homelands after a few years. On the other hand, teams such as Nepal and Kenya are suffering from a reduction in the ICC fund allocation for sometime. I don't know much about Kenya, but Nepal is a cricket crazy nation and it is one of the most popular sports there. The same can be said about a few other countries, such as PNG, Maldives and Fiji.

Till 2007 (as far as I remember) kenya was permanent member of ODI world cup but after that don't know what happen that we didn't saw Kenya in any WC till date and Zimbabwe is also removed on grounds of politics. IRELAND and Afghanistan are two new good edition but it will be better if both Kenya and Zimbabwe were also there.

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Quote from: galambo on May 02, 2022, 05:15:33 AM

I don't think countries who have talent like Nepal can afford foreigner players. With 10,000$ you can't expect a country to develop a quality team. If Oman is getting .5 million per year then it's just wastage of icc funds since they can't produce a structure that can produce a team in the long run.

Well.. I agree with this. Whatever ICC funds that are flowing to Oman ends up in the hands of players from India and Pakistan. There is no long term benefit for the game in Oman, as these players return to their homelands after a few years. On the other hand, teams such as Nepal and Kenya are suffering from a reduction in the ICC fund allocation for sometime. I don't know much about Kenya, but Nepal is a cricket crazy nation and it is one of the most popular sports there. The same can be said about a few other countries, such as PNG, Maldives and Fiji.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on April 29, 2022, 06:31:50 AM

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I just hope that he doesn't break down mentally again. He's an allrounder which is already a very tough job when you're playing all 3 format (including franchise cricket The 100 etc). He's also field out of the 30 yard circle so Joe Root's experience should help him a bit but of course it would depend on who is going to be next vice-captain.

His mental health will be concern as the task of captaincy might break him and i wont be surprised if he retires early because of the huge burden bestowed upon him. If the earlier break was really due to mental breakdown as a player i doubt he will take the pressure as a captain. They need to find someone else and groom rather than putting all the pressure to Ben Stokes.

I think Stuart Broad will be the vice captain.

I am sure the English board would have discussed his mental health and would have also discussed it with doctors and then only they had given him this responsibility. If still he losses his mind during the upcoming match then he might lose his career at this time. I think they will either choose Stuart Broad or Jos Buttler as the vice captain.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 02, 2022, 02:26:58 AM

OK.. then let them have these "national" teams that are made up entirely of foreigners. But they should come up with a rule stating that only teams with more than 50% citizens in the playing XI should qualify for any ICC funding. Else even teams such as Nepal and Kenya will be forced to include foreigners in their teams, as the ICC funding is based on the performance of the team. For example, a team like Oman receives around $500,000 per year from the ICC (since they are ranked higher), while Argentina with 100% native composition receives around $10,000 per year.

I don't think countries who have talent like Nepal can afford foreigner players. With 10,000$ you can't expect a country to develop a quality team. If Oman is getting .5 million per year then it's just wastage of icc funds since they can't produce a structure that can produce a team in the long run.

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Quote from: galambo on May 02, 2022, 01:27:49 AM

Quote from: Marvell1 on May 01, 2022, 09:08:55 AM

I really think that the rule needs to be changed right now and it must be done so that only the people with citizenship can play for the national team. This should be really simple in my opinion, if you have the citizenship you can for the national team and if you don't have the citizenship you cannot. I know this was changed back then so that it helps a lot more teams come forward but now it is causing more problems than good. What are rule changes there will be a lot more countries coming forward to play cricket!

I don't think icc will consider imposing this rule that only citizens will be part of national team. This will eliminate teams like uae, Oman and alike. This policy is having negative impact on teams like Nepal who are 100% composed of native players but are getting less money from ICC.

OK.. then let them have these "national" teams that are made up entirely of foreigners. But they should come up with a rule stating that only teams with more than 50% citizens in the playing XI should qualify for any ICC funding. Else even teams such as Nepal and Kenya will be forced to include foreigners in their teams, as the ICC funding is based on the performance of the team. For example, a team like Oman receives around $500,000 per year from the ICC (since they are ranked higher), while Argentina with 100% native composition receives around $10,000 per year.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on May 01, 2022, 09:08:55 AM

I really think that the rule needs to be changed right now and it must be done so that only the people with citizenship can play for the national team. This should be really simple in my opinion, if you have the citizenship you can for the national team and if you don't have the citizenship you cannot. I know this was changed back then so that it helps a lot more teams come forward but now it is causing more problems than good. What are rule changes there will be a lot more countries coming forward to play cricket!

I don't think icc will consider imposing this rule that only citizens will be part of national team. This will eliminate teams like uae, Oman and alike. This policy is having negative impact on teams like Nepal who are 100% composed of native players but are getting less money from ICC.

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I really think that the rule needs to be changed right now and it must be done so that only the people with citizenship can play for the national team. This should be really simple in my opinion, if you have the citizenship you can for the national team and if you don't have the citizenship you cannot. I know this was changed back then so that it helps a lot more teams come forward but now it is causing more problems than good. What are rule changes there will be a lot more countries coming forward to play cricket!

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2022, 01:24:06 PM

The ICC on the other hand is very clear on this. Until two decades back, it was not possible for foreigners to get in to national teams. But this rule was changed sometime ago.. and then anyone with 6 months of residence was allowed to represent national teams irrespective of their citizenship status. Now we can see a lot of medical students from South Asia featuring in national teams all over the world. Countries such as Russia and Czech Republic are attractive destinations for students from India and Pakistan and some of these students in turn end up in cricket teams.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2022, 10:04:23 PM

Netherlands has some of the oldest cricket clubs in the world. But during the last two decades, the popularity of the sport there has taken a severe hit. The ICC is favoring teams comprised of foreigners and the ones with native players such as the Netherlands are losing out. A number of cricket clubs have closed down in the recent past, some of them more than a hundred years old. Remaining players don't feel confident, as they are concerned about the decision made by the ICC to reduce number of participating teams in the world cup.

Netherland was never a good cricketing side, we have lost Zimbabwe and Kenya who were once a very strong cricketing side due to icc cricket friendly policies. Now countries like UAE and Oman are participating in WC as associate nation while strong teams are vanishing.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on April 30, 2022, 02:22:25 PM

Netherland has some good players and to attract new members to the sport they need to see it as a sport that will provide them a good future especially financially and until then you will not find a huge pool of talents.

Netherlands has some of the oldest cricket clubs in the world. But during the last two decades, the popularity of the sport there has taken a severe hit. The ICC is favoring teams comprised of foreigners and the ones with native players such as the Netherlands are losing out. A number of cricket clubs have closed down in the recent past, some of them more than a hundred years old. Remaining players don't feel confident, as they are concerned about the decision made by the ICC to reduce number of participating teams in the world cup.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on April 30, 2022, 02:22:25 PM

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Netherland has some good players and to attract new members to the sport they need to see it as a sport that will provide them a good future especially financially and until then you will not find a huge pool of talents.

The money in Cricket is really less compared to other sports, some of the big nations are able to give a good payment for their players but to think about an associate team able to attract players with their pay scale is a distant dream. Players always look to secure a good future and they will sort of look for sporting events that could give them a platform to showcase their talents and with franchise cricket in full swing players can make money if they have the skills even if they are from an associate nation.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2022, 05:47:56 AM

UAE has been fielding teams full of Indians and Pakistanis for the last 50+ years. Even after this much time, they can't get a single national to represent their squad. So there is no point in saying that making teams 100% comprised of foreigners will have any positive impact on the popularity of cricket in that particular country.

The reason is simple, the Middle East community do not love to play Cricket but majority of them are die hard Football lovers. To find players from national community there should be some interest and it is lacking and the next aspect is the payment they get playing the sport.

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The same can be said about teams like Hong Kong, Germany, Norway.etc. Then there is a second category, comprised of teams such as Denmark, Netherlands, Japan.etc. These teams used to be comprised mostly of natives. But now they are also moving towards 100% foreigner composition.

Netherland has some good players and to attract new members to the sport they need to see it as a sport that will provide them a good future especially financially and until then you will not find a huge pool of talents.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on April 30, 2022, 11:20:28 AM

What I feel really hard to believe is that this has been going on for so long and ICC has not made any rules about it. I don't think any country should be able to play any foreigners in the team. My suggestion is that if they actually want to play foreigners in the team they have to give them citizenship first.

Otherwise, they cannot have foreign players playing for the national team. if they cannot make a team which players of their own nationality I suggest that other teams should be given chances instead of a team that is made out of foreign players altogether

The ICC on the other hand is very clear on this. Until two decades back, it was not possible for foreigners to get in to national teams. But this rule was changed sometime ago.. and then anyone with 6 months of residence was allowed to represent national teams irrespective of their citizenship status. Now we can see a lot of medical students from South Asia featuring in national teams all over the world. Countries such as Russia and Czech Republic are attractive destinations for students from India and Pakistan and some of these students in turn end up in cricket teams.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2022, 05:47:56 AM

UAE has been fielding teams full of Indians and Pakistanis for the last 50+ years. Even after this much time, they can't get a single national to represent their squad. So there is no point in saying that making teams 100% comprised of foreigners will have any positive impact on the popularity of cricket in that particular country. The same can be said about teams like Hong Kong, Germany, Norway.etc. Then there is a second category, comprised of teams such as Denmark, Netherlands, Japan.etc. These teams used to be comprised mostly of natives. But now they are also moving towards 100% foreigner composition.

Countries are moving towards foreigner players since native people don't like cricket so much. Seems like it's only south asain living in countries like Japan, uae , USA like and play cricket. The main reason for this non participation is lengthy format of cricket like test and odi.

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What I feel really hard to believe is that this has been going on for so long and ICC has not made any rules about it. I don't think any country should be able to play any foreigners in the team. My suggestion is that if they actually want to play foreigners in the team they have to give them citizenship first.

Otherwise, they cannot have foreign players playing for the national team. if they cannot make a team which players of their own nationality I suggest that other teams should be given chances instead of a team that is made out of foreign players altogether

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It will take some time to develop a quality cricket team from native players if you are new to cricket. Since it need some time to develop local infrastructure that can produce good cricketers. But short term gain lies in making a team of expats like done by UAE, Oman and other countries. Even UAE woman team is of expats and ICC is focusing more on short term financial gains

UAE has been fielding teams full of Indians and Pakistanis for the last 50+ years. Even after this much time, they can't get a single national to represent their squad. So there is no point in saying that making teams 100% comprised of foreigners will have any positive impact on the popularity of cricket in that particular country. The same can be said about teams like Hong Kong, Germany, Norway.etc. Then there is a second category, comprised of teams such as Denmark, Netherlands, Japan.etc. These teams used to be comprised mostly of natives. But now they are also moving towards 100% foreigner composition.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 29, 2022, 02:20:55 AM

He has a lot of experience as a Vice-Captain of the English test cricket side. His first match as a captain would be against NZ in June this year. This would be a tough test match as NZ is a world champion. As an all-rounder, he has been a great asset to the English side and I think his performance wont be affected as a captain.

I also agreed that his performance should not be affected too much just because of him being the captain of England. But I wonder if he will be able to do his job properly which is captaining the side. That should not also be a big problem because he has some experience as a vice-captain.

Quote from: JSRAW on April 29, 2022, 03:39:04 AM

I just hope that he doesn't break down mentally again. He's an allrounder which is already a very tough job when you're playing all 3 format (including franchise cricket The 100 etc). He's also field out of the 30 yard circle so Joe Root's experience should help him a bit but of course it would depend on who is going to be next vice-captain.
I think Jimmy-Broad are going to come back in the test squad soon.

Mental health is a big issue for almost every player, I hope he can keep himself mentally stable. I think he is a player of pure class and just taking on the Captaincy is not going to make a big difference.
I would also like to see Stuart Broad and James Anderson, the classic duo back in the test match.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 29, 2022, 01:03:57 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 29, 2022, 12:36:09 PM

I agree with the first part. If you are not a citizen of a particular country, then you don't deserve a chance to play in the national team. These non-citizens, if they want can play for the United Nations team. And for the second point, first and foremost if the natives are included in the national team, then there will be a growth in interest in cricket. On the other hand, if they put up sham national teams like what we have in Czech Republic or Norway, then it will remain as a sport that is exclusively played by the foreigners.

It will take some time to develop a quality cricket team from native players if you are new to cricket. Since it need some time to develop local infrastructure that can produce good cricketers. But short term gain lies in making a team of expats like done by UAE, Oman and other countries. Even UAE woman team is of expats and ICC is focusing more on short term financial gains

UAE has been fielding teams full of Indians and Pakistanis for the last 50+ years. Even after this much time, they can't get a single national to represent their squad. So there is no point in saying that making teams 100% comprised of foreigners will have any positive impact on the popularity of cricket in that particular country. The same can be said about teams like Hong Kong, Germany, Norway.etc. Then there is a second category, comprised of teams such as Denmark, Netherlands, Japan.etc. These teams used to be comprised mostly of natives. But now they are also moving towards 100% foreigner composition.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 29, 2022, 01:41:15 PM

He's 30 yo so he should be okay for 2 years or may be 3. English cricket revolve around the Ashes so let's say 2 Ashes series and after that if he's fit enough, want to continue (i doubt that) or successfully lead his team then who knows.

Stuart Broad name popped up in captaincy race too so it won't be surprising decision, although would be great if they go with some younger guy.

English cricket should move on from Anderson and Broad, they have played enough cricket and must be replaced with new bowler who can serve the country for next 5 to 10 years. Ben is almost 31 years and if he can perform good both as player and captain then England can be a good test side in next 4 to 5 years.

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