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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 23, 2022, 06:53:48 PM

]If you say that Virat Kohli is having zero value as a batsman then there are other players like Rohit Sharma who is struggling as well and there are many young talents that are waiting for an opportunity to play and they need to find these players and give them the opportunity rather than replacing all these big players all at once. Even in Test matches their specialist players like Rahane and Pujara are struggling for a while and they need to be replaced if BCCI plans on replacing Kohli Cheesy

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Even in IPL kohli has got two ducks in his last two matches. BCCI would do harm to its national squad if they keep including kohli in its playing eleven. Pujara and Rahane are replaced as they were not seen in latest test series against SL. Time for king kohli to think wisely else it will be too late.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 23, 2022, 04:01:51 PM

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 22, 2022, 11:00:24 PM

I would say with current form he can only play 1 to 2 years in international cricket, as bcci won't afford such batsmen in there line-up. I agree he has market value because of many reasons but we have to admit his value as a batsman has gone down to zero.

Day by day things are going the worst for Kohli but greediness or competition is not allowing him to take care about these things, and he is carried on with his the worst form in current time which can bring some more problems for him and his career.

Many saying it's all about money and few are having other views alike ego or what, but surely he needs some break which give them some better mind-set about his game and future, but he has to do something for some time surely currently Indian team is most busy in cricket world and their players are now suffering from things like this which is not good signal if BCCI needs to keep their players in good shape then surely they need to work on rotation system and having some strong back for all in all formats which will help them for staying good for long time, and they could be served in better way for their country.

Seem like there are so much nepotism and ego problem in the indian players. There are so many teams in IPL and it's hard to keep record of them.
Everything has pros and cons - now we dont see the professionalism in cricket these days because there is so much rush of young cricketers in the ground now.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 22, 2022, 11:00:24 PM

I would say with current form he can only play 1 to 2 years in international cricket, as bcci won't afford such batsmen in there line-up. I agree he has market value because of many reasons but we have to admit his value as a batsman has gone down to zero.

If you say that Virat Kohli is having zero value as a batsman then there are other players like Rohit Sharma who is struggling as well and there are many young talents that are waiting for an opportunity to play and they need to find these players and give them the opportunity rather than replacing all these big players all at once. Even in Test matches their specialist players like Rahane and Pujara are struggling for a while and they need to be replaced if BCCI plans on replacing Kohli Cheesy

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 22, 2022, 11:00:24 PM

I would say with current form he can only play 1 to 2 years in international cricket, as bcci won't afford such batsmen in there line-up. I agree he has market value because of many reasons but we have to admit his value as a batsman has gone down to zero.

Day by day things are going the worst for Kohli but greediness or competition is not allowing him to take care about these things, and he is carried on with his the worst form in current time which can bring some more problems for him and his career.

Many saying it's all about money and few are having other views alike ego or what, but surely he needs some break which give them some better mind-set about his game and future, but he has to do something for some time surely currently Indian team is most busy in cricket world and their players are now suffering from things like this which is not good signal if BCCI needs to keep their players in good shape then surely they need to work on rotation system and having some strong back for all in all formats which will help them for staying good for long time, and they could be served in better way for their country.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on April 22, 2022, 01:31:10 PM

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I think it's better if he does not concentrate on test cricket right now and concentrates more on the shorter formats of cricket because he is into the later stages of his career. At this moment a break will do a lot of good for him because if he goes away and the Indian team starts performing bad, I think eventually he will be needed in the team and at that time I am quite sure that he will be able to perform a lot better with a positive state of mind.

If the opinion is that Virat Kohli should step down as a player and then come back when India is struggling does not make any sense Cheesy

. No player will take a break and then expect him to perform well and when a team is struggling how come he will be able to bat freely with all the pressure upon him, so that is not a good option for him. He needs to rectify his technique he thinks is creating problems and one solid innings will change the momentum.

And exactly how long are we going to wait for that “one solid innings”? and the other thing is if Virat Kohli steps down as a player and India is doing well, aren't there less chances of him being called into the team?
I get that some players might play Bad and they might switch that there for him but still I think the chances are low.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on April 22, 2022, 01:31:10 PM

I think it's better if he does not concentrate on test cricket right now and concentrates more on the shorter formats of cricket because he is into the later stages of his career. At this moment a break will do a lot of good for him because if he goes away and the Indian team starts performing bad, I think eventually he will be needed in the team and at that time I am quite sure that he will be able to perform a lot better with a positive state of mind.

This (taking a break) was suggested to him many months back, but he refused to listen. Anyway, he is angry with the BCCI guys and now Ganguly and Shah doesn't want to antagonize him further. As of now, Kohli has at least 3-4 years of international cricket left with him. And maybe another 2-3 years of IPL after that. He remains as the Indian cricketer with the maximum market value. Others (Rohit, Bumrah, Shami.etc) are far behind. But sooner or later, he need to address the issue of his current poor form.

Everyone goes through slums and it's ok to acknowledge that. and a player obviously has to understand that he is actually going through slumps and he really should understand that at that time the best thing to do is take a break. and one more thing that is is not being understood by Virat Kohli is that it the more he will try to overcome this situation with his tilted mentality the more he is going to play bad.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 22, 2022, 08:45:10 PM

This (taking a break) was suggested to him many months back, but he refused to listen. Anyway, he is angry with the BCCI guys and now Ganguly and Shah doesn't want to antagonize him further. As of now, Kohli has at least 3-4 years of international cricket left with him. And maybe another 2-3 years of IPL after that. He remains as the Indian cricketer with the maximum market value. Others (Rohit, Bumrah, Shami.etc) are far behind. But sooner or later, he need to address the issue of his current poor form.

I would say with current form he can only play 1 to 2 years in international cricket, as bcci won't afford such batsmen in there line-up. I agree he has market value because of many reasons but we have to admit his value as a batsman has gone down to zero.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on April 22, 2022, 01:31:10 PM

I think it's better if he does not concentrate on test cricket right now and concentrates more on the shorter formats of cricket because he is into the later stages of his career. At this moment a break will do a lot of good for him because if he goes away and the Indian team starts performing bad, I think eventually he will be needed in the team and at that time I am quite sure that he will be able to perform a lot better with a positive state of mind.

This (taking a break) was suggested to him many months back, but he refused to listen. Anyway, he is angry with the BCCI guys and now Ganguly and Shah doesn't want to antagonize him further. As of now, Kohli has at least 3-4 years of international cricket left with him. And maybe another 2-3 years of IPL after that. He remains as the Indian cricketer with the maximum market value. Others (Rohit, Bumrah, Shami.etc) are far behind. But sooner or later, he need to address the issue of his current poor form.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on April 22, 2022, 01:31:10 PM

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I think it's better if he does not concentrate on test cricket right now and concentrates more on the shorter formats of cricket because he is into the later stages of his career. At this moment a break will do a lot of good for him because if he goes away and the Indian team starts performing bad, I think eventually he will be needed in the team and at that time I am quite sure that he will be able to perform a lot better with a positive state of mind.

If the opinion is that Virat Kohli should step down as a player and then come back when India is struggling does not make any sense Cheesy

. No player will take a break and then expect him to perform well and when a team is struggling how come he will be able to bat freely with all the pressure upon him, so that is not a good option for him. He needs to rectify his technique he thinks is creating problems and one solid innings will change the momentum.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 22, 2022, 10:40:46 AM

Original format of cricket is test but with time people lost interest in test as ODI and now T20 are introduced. I don't think the future of cricket is in test but in T20 as its interesting for people due to its shorter duration and also pays good money to players. Kohli need break from cricket ASAP to gain its form.

With this all test cricket is not going anywhere even this format is having not good potential for development but still it's going to in progress with these very few teams, and we can have some good number of countries in T20 format as ICC is also increasing number of teams in this format's mega event World Cup which is good.

Test cricket is having not good chances of any better development or any other way of popularity so most chances this will be going with this all but quality of game will decrease as we already have in West Indies, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh few other countries will be keep going as they have good finances for support and going ahead but new and few which are not good enough can go some down.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 10:14:40 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on April 21, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

With current form and having criticism he needs some break which could be very helpful for him and his future because age factor is still with Kohli and if he wants to stay for some long time then surely a break can help him in this case.
It's never new for any player because we have a history of bad patches like these and mostly players with having break come back very strongly, so he is also can do this. Now with Shastri is also looking for something like this; hopefully he will take some good decision for his future and fight back with very strong performance, or he can take retirement from one or two formats and just keep playing test matches which is also very good for him and his career because he is still good player for this format.

I really don't think that Kohli want to concentrate on tests. He is a good test player, but why should he detach himself from all the glamor and blitz of T20? Players resigning from other formats to focus on test cricket is a thing of the past. There is too much money available in franchise T20 to make that option really unattractive. On top of that, the popularity of test cricket is going down with every passing year. In the long term, if he concentrate only in test format, Kohli's market value will decrease and his revenue from various endorsements will go down.

I think it's better if he does not concentrate on test cricket right now and concentrates more on the shorter formats of cricket because he is into the later stages of his career. At this moment a break will do a lot of good for him because if he goes away and the Indian team starts performing bad, I think eventually he will be needed in the team and at that time I am quite sure that he will be able to perform a lot better with a positive state of mind.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on April 22, 2022, 11:53:11 AM

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^ Yes, I agree and probably the best solution is going to be taking a break from international cricket. Obviously, he is a great player, and whenever anyone watches him performing like he is doing right now even someone who doesn't understand cricket that much he's going to suggest that he should take a break.

I know that what I am going to say next is not the most popular opinion but I think for a player who is really one of the most seniors on the team I think it is better to not concentrate on the test format.

For a player like Virat Kohli all he needs is a single innings that could change his confidence but taking a break will not help him. People are judging with the standards with which he performed throughout the years and when he is struggling everyone is having an opinion as if he is taking the opportunity of a player who could perform much better than him. Let him play and i am sure he will change his technique and will be back in form.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 22, 2022, 04:31:24 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 10:14:40 PM

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I really don't think that Kohli want to concentrate on tests. He is a good test player, but why should he detach himself from all the glamor and blitz of T20? Players resigning from other formats to focus on test cricket is a thing of the past. There is too much money available in franchise T20 to make that option really unattractive. On top of that, the popularity of test cricket is going down with every passing year. In the long term, if he concentrate only in test format, Kohli's market value will decrease and his revenue from various endorsements will go down.

Players like Kohli, Smith considered test format as true form of cricket and they would very much like to play test cricket for long.

Virat doesn't need to stop playing limited over cricket completely. All he has to do is avoid unnecessary Bilateral series, he can make himself available for the IPL and ICC tourney or may be 1-2 limited overs bilateral series, mainly Aus. His current annual income is close to $25-27 Million and that's only from the endorsement (additional 3 million from BCCI +IPL contract), yes it would go down but not that much.

^ Yes, I agree and probably the best solution is going to be taking a break from international cricket. Obviously, he is a great player, and whenever anyone watches him performing like he is doing right now even someone who doesn't understand cricket that much he's going to suggest that he should take a break.

I know that what I am going to say next is not the most popular opinion but I think for a player who is really one of the most seniors on the team I think it is better to not concentrate on the test format.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 10:14:40 PM

I really don't think that Kohli want to concentrate on tests. He is a good test player, but why should he detach himself from all the glamor and blitz of T20? Players resigning from other formats to focus on test cricket is a thing of the past. There is too much money available in franchise T20 to make that option really unattractive. On top of that, the popularity of test cricket is going down with every passing year. In the long term, if he concentrate only in test format, Kohli's market value will decrease and his revenue from various endorsements will go down.

Original format of cricket is test but with time people lost interest in test as ODI and now T20 are introduced. I don't think the future of cricket is in test but in T20 as its interesting for people due to its shorter duration and also pays good money to players. Kohli need break from cricket ASAP to gain its form.

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Quote from: Maidak on April 22, 2022, 09:46:25 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 21, 2022, 12:18:55 PM

@Maidak @Sithara007 Point 1 and 7 are loaded with 90s -2000s bias..

But it is true, right?

Let me put it this way. It's like saying that why peeps are not using Nokia anymore in Android and Iphone's era.

Yes, state of global cricket is not healthy (like spreading the game etc) but it's way better than in 2000's and so on.

Quote from: Maidak on April 22, 2022, 09:46:25 AM

And I know that when making a discussion some people are not agreeable like the others but that doesn't rule away from the obvious facts.

Disagreement is part of the mutual contract (even in partners), so it's fine. Well not very obvious fact imo, already mentioned my reasoning, talking about 1 and 7 points only. I agree with others points tho.

Quote from: Maidak on April 22, 2022, 09:46:25 AM

Anyway, I think it is quite evident that cricket is slowly but surely losing its popularity and even though it is not so noticeable right now it will be if nothing changes in a few years.

IMHO it depends on the perspective.

If i talk about English's perspective then they do think cricket is losing it's charm because of downfall of test cricket in their country.
From Aussie and Indian's point of view they are on peak atm. as old saying goes -follow the money-
Proteas is not doing well financially but interest in test cricket is going up due to recent success.
Pakistan also celebrating due to recent success in PCL and historic Aus's tour.
Kiwis are irrelevant because of their population although they are force to reckon with from Indian perspective.
Rest of the cricketing world, well they are depressed af.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 11:12:06 AM

Many thanks for posting link to that excellent article. I agree with most of the points given by them. And your point is valid as well. There are just 7-8 regular teams in cricket and all these bilateral tours are becoming repetitive and boring. And in world cup, they have reduced the number of teams from 16 to 10, making it even more boring. And even the surviving teams are transforming from native-dominated to foreign-dominated. Cricket has lost its charm. It has become more of a business than sport.

You are welcome and if cricket is not turned into a worldwide renowned sport I think cricket is going to lose its popularity slowly but surely.
I really don't see any effort from anyone to make cricket popular in the whole world. there are a lot of countries that are not interested in cricket at all and I believe it is the duty of the ICC to make it popular and interesting to those countries.

Quote from: JSRAW on April 21, 2022, 12:18:55 PM

@Maidak @Sithara007 Point 1 and 7 are loaded with 90s -2000s bias..

But it is true, right?

And I know that when making a discussion some people are not agreeable like the others but that doesn't rule away from the obvious facts.

Anyway, I think it is quite evident that cricket is slowly but surely losing its popularity and even though it is not so noticeable right now it will be if nothing changes in a few years.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 10:14:40 PM

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I really don't think that Kohli want to concentrate on tests. He is a good test player, but why should he detach himself from all the glamor and blitz of T20? Players resigning from other formats to focus on test cricket is a thing of the past. There is too much money available in franchise T20 to make that option really unattractive. On top of that, the popularity of test cricket is going down with every passing year. In the long term, if he concentrate only in test format, Kohli's market value will decrease and his revenue from various endorsements will go down.

Players like Kohli, Smith consider test format as true form of cricket and they would very much like to play test cricket for long.

Virat doesn't need to stop playing limited over cricket completely. All he has to do is avoid unnecessary Bilateral series, he can make himself available for the IPL and ICC tourney or may be 1-2 limited overs bilateral series, mainly Aus. His current annual income is close to $25-27 Million and that's only from the endorsement (additional 3 million from BCCI +IPL contract), yes it would go down but not that much.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 10:14:40 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on April 21, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

With current form and having criticism he needs some break which could be very helpful for him and his future because age factor is still with Kohli and if he wants to stay for some long time then surely a break can help him in this case.

It's never new for any player because we have a history of bad patches like these and mostly players with having break come back very strongly, so he is also can do this. Now with Shastri is also looking for something like this; hopefully he will take some good decision for his future and fight back with very strong performance, or he can take retirement from one or two formats and just keep playing test matches which is also very good for him and his career because he is still good player for this format.

I really don't think that Kohli want to concentrate on tests. He is a good test player, but why should he detach himself from all the glamor and blitz of T20? Players resigning from other formats to focus on test cricket is a thing of the past. There is too much money available in franchise T20 to make that option really unattractive. On top of that, the popularity of test cricket is going down with every passing year. In the long term, if he concentrate only in test format, Kohli's market value will decrease and his revenue from various endorsements will go down.

T20 format is where the money is in cricket now days. But, test cricket is also important for a batsman like Kohli regardless of its popularity. Test cricket basically test a batsman ability to score runs and also to save his wicket throughout the whole day. It also determines the fitness level of a batsman. In my opinion he should rest from all formats for a couple of month and then make a comeback.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 21, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

With current form and having criticism he needs some break which could be very helpful for him and his future because age factor is still with Kohli and if he wants to stay for some long time then surely a break can help him in this case.

It's never new for any player because we have a history of bad patches like these and mostly players with having break come back very strongly, so he is also can do this. Now with Shastri is also looking for something like this; hopefully he will take some good decision for his future and fight back with very strong performance, or he can take retirement from one or two formats and just keep playing test matches which is also very good for him and his career because he is still good player for this format.

I really don't think that Kohli want to concentrate on tests. He is a good test player, but why should he detach himself from all the glamor and blitz of T20? Players resigning from other formats to focus on test cricket is a thing of the past. There is too much money available in franchise T20 to make that option really unattractive. On top of that, the popularity of test cricket is going down with every passing year. In the long term, if he concentrate only in test format, Kohli's market value will decrease and his revenue from various endorsements will go down.

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@Maidak @Sithara007 Point 1 and 7 are loaded with 90s -2000s bias..

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 21, 2022, 12:45:01 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 20, 2022, 10:04:02 AM

Suggestions are coming for Kohli from everywhere due to his poor run of form. This time piece of advice coming from former head coach.

Everyone raising eyebrows because he's not scoring any century, almost 100 matches across all format (including IPL), having said that despite 2-3 poor years his numbers still look amazing. Tells you lot about his high standards.

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Seriously that's a worthy advice of taking break. His stats may be outstanding but we have to admit that he is out of form for quite a while. Sometimes taking a break and returning back helps you alot. I remember inzamam ul haq had a bad patch in 2003, he was given a break and he came back much stronger for rest of his career.

May be he should play one remaining test against England and take break from the Limited over cricket (every LOI bilateral, not T-20 World cup tho). Focus on 2 test match against Bangbros and 4 test match series against Australia next year.

@Juggy777 Nah bhai, that's not a valid excuse. He failed to deliver in limited overs so it was the right decision. Also when he had the power, Kumble had to resign from the coach position so he knows how power structure works.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 21, 2022, 12:45:01 AM

Seriously that's a worthy advice of taking break. His stats may be outstanding but we have to admit that he is out of form for quite a while. Sometimes taking a break and returning back helps you alot. I remember inzamam ul haq had a bad patch in 2003, he was given a break and he came back much stronger for rest of his career.

With current form and having criticism he needs some break which could be very helpful for him and his future because age factor is still with Kohli and if he wants to stay for some long time then surely a break can help him in this case.

It's never new for any player because we have a history of bad patches like these and mostly players with having break come back very strongly, so he is also can do this. Now with Shastri is also looking for something like this; hopefully he will take some good decision for his future and fight back with very strong performance, or he can take retirement from one or two formats and just keep playing test matches which is also very good for him and his career because he is still good player for this format.

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