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I just hope that he doesn't break down mentally again. He's an allrounder which is already a very tough job when you're playing all 3 format (including franchise cricket The 100 etc). He's also field out of the 30 yard circle so Joe Root's experience should help him a bit but of course it would depend on who is going to be next vice-captain.

His mental health will be concern as the task of captaincy might break him and i wont be surprised if he retires early because of the huge burden bestowed upon him. If the earlier break was really due to mental breakdown as a player i doubt he will take the pressure as a captain. They need to find someone else and groom rather than putting all the pressure to Ben Stokes.

I think Stuart Broad will be the vice captain.

He's 30 yo so he should be okay for 2 years or may be 3. English cricket revolve around the Ashes so let's say 2 Ashes series and after that if he's fit enough, want to continue (i doubt that) or successfully lead his team then who knows.

Stuart Broad name popped up in captaincy race too so it won't be surprising decision, although would be great if they go with some younger guy.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 29, 2022, 12:36:09 PM

I agree with the first part. If you are not a citizen of a particular country, then you don't deserve a chance to play in the national team. These non-citizens, if they want can play for the United Nations team. And for the second point, first and foremost if the natives are included in the national team, then there will be a growth in interest in cricket. On the other hand, if they put up sham national teams like what we have in Czech Republic or Norway, then it will remain as a sport that is exclusively played by the foreigners.

It will take some time to develop a quality cricket team from native players if you are new to cricket. Since it need some time to develop local infrastructure that can produce good cricketers. But short term gain lies in making a team of expats like done by UAE, Oman and other countries. Even UAE woman team is of expats and ICC is focusing more on short term financial gains

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Quote from: kro55 on April 27, 2022, 04:28:01 AM

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I think it should be a simple rule. If you are a citizen you should be able to play for your own country and if you are not you simply cannot. By doing so a lot of countries that are interested in cricket have going to come forward instead of the countries that are making their whole team with foreign players.

And we all have been saying that cricket is just only very popular in India, Pakistan, and a few countries but have we ever thought about why cricket is not popular in the whole world and what are the steps being taken to change the current situation?

I agree with the first part. If you are not a citizen of a particular country, then you don't deserve a chance to play in the national team. These non-citizens, if they want can play for the United Nations team. And for the second point, first and foremost if the natives are included in the national team, then there will be a growth in interest in cricket. On the other hand, if they put up sham national teams like what we have in Czech Republic or Norway, then it will remain as a sport that is exclusively played by the foreigners.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 29, 2022, 03:39:04 AM

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I just hope that he doesn't break down mentally again. He's an allrounder which is already a very tough job when you're playing all 3 format (including franchise cricket The 100 etc). He's also field out of the 30 yard circle so Joe Root's experience should help him a bit but of course it would depend on who is going to be next vice-captain.

His mental health will be concern as the task of captaincy might break him and i wont be surprised if he retires early because of the huge burden bestowed upon him. If the earlier break was really due to mental breakdown as a player i doubt he will take the pressure as a captain. They need to find someone else and groom rather than putting all the pressure to Ben Stokes.

I think Stuart Broad will be the vice captain.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 29, 2022, 02:20:55 AM

He has a lot of experience as a Vice-Captain of the English test cricket side. His first match as a captain would be against NZ in June this year. This would be a tough test match as NZ is a world champion. As an all-rounder, he has been a great asset to the English side and I think his performance wont be affected as a captain.

I just hope that he doesn't break down mentally again. He's an allrounder which is already a very tough job when you're playing all 3 format (including franchise cricket The 100 etc). He's also field out of the 30 yard circle so Joe Root's experience should help him a bit but of course it would depend on who is going to be next vice-captain.

I think Jimmy-Broad are going to come back in the test squad soon.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 28, 2022, 05:50:11 PM

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New coming from ECB is that Ben Stokes named England men's Test captain. Durham allrounder confirmed as successor to Joe Root. Seeing the current form of Ben Stokes I dont think he can take England out from current turmoil. In his 79 tests, he has scored 5061 runs and took 174 wickets. As an all rounder his figures are outstanding but the point is how can he perform as a Test Captain.

Ben Stokes is an excellent choice to serve as the new England Test team captain in this current environment. Several candidates may cause controversy as Butler, Bairstow, or Malan are all excellent choices. Most of us think Stokes named a bad decision since he is normally unfit most of the time. In summarizing Stoke's recent mental health issues, I am not sure if this is a good idea. He may feel too much pressure, which could negatively affect his performance. Ben Stokes will have a tough road ahead. We'll have to wait and see where he goes.

I think he has been a great performer for the England cricket team and he can definitely prove himself as a captain in my opinion. yes, a lot of arguments can be made that there are other players who are better suited for this. but in the situation that that cricket team is right now, I think Ben Stokes is the best choice for the captain because the team needs a character like him as their captain.

He has a lot of experience as a Vice-Captain of the English test cricket side. His first match as a captain would be against NZ in June this year. This would be a tough test match as NZ is a world champion. As an all-rounder, he has been a great asset to the English side and I think his performance wont be affected as a captain.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 28, 2022, 05:50:11 PM

I think he has been a great performer for the England cricket team and he can definitely prove himself as a captain in my opinion. yes, a lot of arguments can be made that there are other players who are better suited for this. but in the situation that that cricket team is right now, I think Ben Stokes is the best choice for the captain because the team needs a character like him as their captain.

I would say that ECB won't have much choices for the captain, they have to make a decision and Ben is first choice for that. As I said, he has a tough job ahead where he has to assemble a scattered English team. It will definitely take some time and Ben need some time for that.

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Quote from: onecall123 on April 28, 2022, 10:10:09 AM

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New coming from ECB is that Ben Stokes named England men's Test captain. Durham allrounder confirmed as successor to Joe Root. Seeing the current form of Ben Stokes I dont think he can take England out from current turmoil. In his 79 tests, he has scored 5061 runs and took 174 wickets. As an all rounder his figures are outstanding but the point is how can he perform as a Test Captain.

Ben Stokes is an excellent choice to serve as the new England Test team captain in this current environment. Several candidates may cause controversy as Butler, Bairstow, or Malan are all excellent choices. Most of us think Stokes named a bad decision since he is normally unfit most of the time. In summarizing Stoke's recent mental health issues, I am not sure if this is a good idea. He may feel too much pressure, which could negatively affect his performance. Ben Stokes will have a tough road ahead. We'll have to wait and see where he goes.

I think he has been a great performer for the England cricket team and he can definitely prove himself as a captain in my opinion. yes, a lot of arguments can be made that there are other players who are better suited for this. but in the situation that that cricket team is right now, I think Ben Stokes is the best choice for the captain because the team needs a character like him as their captain.

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Quote from: onecall123 on April 28, 2022, 10:10:09 AM

Ben Stokes is an excellent choice to serve as the new England Test team captain in this current environment. Several candidates may cause controversy as Butler, Bairstow, or Malan are all excellent choices. Most of us think Stokes named a bad decision since he is normally unfit most of the time. In summarizing Stoke's recent mental health issues, I am not sure if this is a good idea. He may feel too much pressure, which could negatively affect his performance. Ben Stokes will have a tough road ahead. We'll have to wait and see where he goes.

In current circumstances Ben is the rightful candidate for test captaincy. But I don't think he as a captain will make any impact as whole English team is struggling. We need to wait at-least one year to give verdict about whether Ben as a captain is a success or England need another captain. Ben from now on need to pay special attention to his fitness since he is skipper now.

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Quote from: coinism on April 28, 2022, 06:41:41 AM

New coming from ECB is that Ben Stokes named England men's Test captain. Durham allrounder confirmed as successor to Joe Root. Seeing the current form of Ben Stokes I dont think he can take England out from current turmoil. In his 79 tests, he has scored 5061 runs and took 174 wickets. As an all rounder his figures are outstanding but the point is how can he perform as a Test Captain.

Ben Stokes is an excellent choice to serve as the new England Test team captain in this current environment. Several candidates may cause controversy as Butler, Bairstow, or Malan are all excellent choices. Most of us think Stokes named a bad decision since he is normally unfit most of the time. In summarizing Stoke's recent mental health issues, I am not sure if this is a good idea. He may feel too much pressure, which could negatively affect his performance. Ben Stokes will have a tough road ahead. We'll have to wait and see where he goes.

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New coming from ECB is that Ben Stokes named England men's Test captain. Durham allrounder confirmed as successor to Joe Root. Seeing the current form of Ben Stokes I dont think he can take England out from current turmoil. In his 79 tests, he has scored 5061 runs and took 174 wickets. As an all rounder his figures are outstanding but the point is how can he perform as a Test Captain.

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In International cricket all players are replaceable because this is nature of this world and game, so please never talk about that Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma having not good replacements in current squad we have few players those have very good and natural talent which could be shine by time in near future even currently they are not doing like peoples are expecting from them. Right now things are not going in favor of these two legendary players so peoples having some good talk about them and their performance, but surely they are also humans, and they can do good and bad both.
Right now IPL is in progress, so they can check few youngsters for future and trying to have them for next international series which give them some good experience even right now they have no time as World Cup is also coming shortly, but things can change if BCCI and selectors will take some bold decisions for better future like done by Australia recently.

India actually has the type of player that you are talking about. Obviously, they should be given a chance, and the players who are not in form can obviously be dropped from the team at least for the sake of a test.
Virat Kohli has obviously not been in form recently. His being stubborn is obviously hurting the team right now. but even though a lot of people think that they have really good players who can be a good substitute for Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma, I think when these two players are in form there is no one that can substitute them.

I used to think the same Pointing, Warne, Sachin Tendulkar can never be replaced, but I have learnt it that each and every player is replaceable provided their replacements are groomed early on in their careers. Furthermore Virat needs to take a step back now because it’s clear to see that he’s struggling, and I’m sure that he’ll bounce back even stronger in test format but for now he needs to take that much needed break.

Well at this stage of cricket where everything seems to be very fast-paced I am quite certain that everyone can be replaced. The main thing about the successful replacement is that there is not too much skill needed in today's cricket in my opinion.
you just go in and smash the balls with some decent rotation of strike.

So, I am sure that t20 is not going to be a big problem as far as replacement is concerned but I am worried about the ODI and Test cricket.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 26, 2022, 10:02:18 AM

It's obviously a joke but it's also shows how messed up this situation is. Army of subcontinent players going all around the world due to lack of opportunity in their own cricketing system. For example Unmukt chand, Indian u19 (2012 - Hanuma Vihari batchmate) world cup winning captain and out of nowhere become USA's captain.

Not saying that migration is bad but there should be some sort of limit on including foreign nationals in any national team from the ICC. You can't just airdrop tons of players from other countries and say hey now we have a cricket team, what about locals and spreading the game bla bla.

No, I am not saying that migration is bad or anything but I wanted to do something like this,

Quote from: kro55 on April 27, 2022, 04:28:01 AM

-I think it should be a simple rule. If you are a citizen you should be able to play for your own country and if you are not you simply cannot-

And this simple rule can make a world of difference in the cricketing world and I believe if this rule is made a lot of countries with native players are going to come forward. Because I believe if a country with native players sees that layers from India and Pakistan are just dominating in countries where the native players are not so good they will be really disheartened.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on April 27, 2022, 04:40:08 AM

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Rob Key is the new managing director for ECB. He used to do commentary for Sky.

Now they are coming up with new idea. Spilt coaching for the Test format and limited overs cricket, similar to spilt captaincy. Sounds like a good idea from coach's perspective, considering they play minimum 20 tests every year.

Actually, that is going to be a really good idea because the fitness and the skill are completely different in every other format of cricket. In the T-20 cricket players need to perform like they are running a 100m sprinting race, meanwhile, the test cricket is like a marathon.
And the ODI cricket is a mix of both.

So, this is something going to be a really good idea to give the players different types of coaching for different types of formats.

Yeah and have to admit. They don't afraid to experiment new things, no matter if it backfire or not. I grudgingly admire this attitude of ECB, on the other hand other cricket board specially BCCI loves to stay on the same course and prefer status quo on every freaking thing.

Also new update on captaincy

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on April 27, 2022, 04:40:08 AM

Actually, that is going to be a really good idea because the fitness and the skill are completely different in every other format of cricket. In the T-20 cricket players need to perform like they are running a 100m sprinting race, meanwhile, the test cricket is like a marathon.
And the ODI cricket is a mix of both.

So, this is something going to be a really good idea to give the players different types of coaching for different types of formats.

I don't think we are yet in a position to decide what T20 format is about. You need skills in test and upto soke extent in ODI to get good results but in T20 you can get good results even on bad performance. T20 is all about entertainment and hitting nothing else.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 27, 2022, 04:01:57 AM

Rob Key is the new managing director for ECB. He used to do commentary for Sky.

Now they are coming up with new idea. Spilt coaching for the Test format and limited overs cricket, similar to spilt captaincy. Sounds like a good idea from coach's perspective, considering they play minimum 20 tests every year.

Actually, that is going to be a really good idea because the fitness and the skill are completely different in every other format of cricket. In the T-20 cricket players need to perform like they are running a 100m sprinting race, meanwhile, the test cricket is like a marathon.
And the ODI cricket is a mix of both.

So, this is something going to be a really good idea to give the players different types of coaching for different types of formats.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 26, 2022, 08:52:20 PM

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India and Pakistan has huge population that doesn't mean cricket need to be restricted in this part of the world. You cant do such manipulation in football, in fact South Asian football teams are no where in competition in FIFA despite there huge population. Rules should be simple, one country one team and that team must have 100% native players.

Ideally each and every national team should be comprised 100% of native citizens, and that is the criteria being followed in other sports. Teams such as Netherlands and Ireland are having a few South African born players, but these players have the citizenship (acquired through naturalization) of these respective countries. But that is not the case with teams such as Oman and the UAE. None of the players are having citizenship of these countries and almost 100% of them were born either in India or Pakistan.

I think it should be a simple rule. If you are a citizen you should be able to play for your own country and if you are not you simply cannot. By doing so a lot of countries that are interested in cricket have going to come forward instead of the countries that are making their whole team with foreign players.

And we all have been saying that cricket is just only very popular in India, Pakistan, and a few countries but have we ever thought about why cricket is not popular in the whole world and what are the steps being taken to change the current situation?

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Rob Key is the new managing director for ECB. He used to do commentary for Sky.

Now they are coming up with new idea. Spilt coaching for the Test format and limited overs cricket, similar to spilt captaincy. Sounds like a good idea from coach's perspective, considering they play minimum 20 tests every year.

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I know that these guys are really good but can any one of them replace Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma?
In my opinion, they can not. but obviously, that does not mean if Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli are not performing there will still be in the team, even though when there are a lot of people waiting for their chance to prove themselves.
The poor performance of Virat Kohli has been going on for a long time and I think it's time that he should be dropped.

In International cricket all players are replaceable because this is nature of this world and game, so please never talk about that Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma having not good replacements in current squad we have few players those have very good and natural talent which could be shine by time in near future even currently they are not doing like peoples are expecting from them. Right now things are not going in favor of these two legendary players so peoples having some good talk about them and their performance, but surely they are also humans, and they can do good and bad both.

Right now IPL is in progress, so they can check few youngsters for future and trying to have them for next international series which give them some good experience even right now they have no time as World Cup is also coming shortly, but things can change if BCCI and selectors will take some bold decisions for better future like done by Australia recently.

India actually has the type of player that you are talking about. Obviously, they should be given a chance, and the players who are not in form can obviously be dropped from the team at least for the sake of a test.

Virat Kohli has obviously not been in form recently. His being stubborn is obviously hurting the team right now. but even though a lot of people think that they have really good players who can be a good substitute for Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma, I think when these two players are in form there is no one that can substitute them.

I used to think the same Pointing, Warne, Sachin Tendulkar can never be replaced, but I have learnt it that each and every player is replaceable provided their replacements are groomed early on in their careers. Furthermore Virat needs to take a step back now because it’s clear to see that he’s struggling, and I’m sure that he’ll bounce back even stronger in test format but for now he needs to take that much needed break.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 26, 2022, 11:21:48 AM

India and Pakistan has huge population that doesn't mean cricket need to be restricted in this part of the world. You cant do such manipulation in football, in fact South Asian football teams are no where in competition in FIFA despite there huge population. Rules should be simple, one country one team and that team must have 100% native players.

Ideally each and every national team should be comprised 100% of native citizens, and that is the criteria being followed in other sports. Teams such as Netherlands and Ireland are having a few South African born players, but these players have the citizenship (acquired through naturalization) of these respective countries. But that is not the case with teams such as Oman and the UAE. None of the players are having citizenship of these countries and almost 100% of them were born either in India or Pakistan.

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