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Quote from: JSRAW on April 26, 2022, 10:02:18 AM

It's obviously a joke but it's also shows how messed up this situation is. Army of subcontinent players going all around the world due to lack of opportunity in their own cricketing system. For example Unmukt chand, Indian u19 (2012 - Hanuma Vihari batchmate) world cup winning captain and out of nowhere become USA's captain.

Not saying that migration is bad but there should be some sort of limit on including foreign nationals in any national team from the ICC. You can't just airdrop tons of players from other countries and say hey now we have a cricket team, what about locals and spreading the game bla bla.

Even it's not good, and I am always against this all but one point is very valid with many subcontinent players are having better future and finances just because of this situation so if ICC is happy with this all then why we are going against this all. As few mention above Indian need two or three teams like this then I am feeling it's much better as we have more than this demand many players those have no good future now they can go into any this country and have better life with this game is also spreading to this country's next generation with T10 and T20 is our future, and they are doing good job.

If we have many players airdropped with no native player is feeling good for joining then still it's all OK we have some good future because these players now settled and having good future with this game even will try to develop this on academies level and new generation will try to have something better instead of current generation which is not happy with this all.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2022, 09:35:24 PM

Even 3 from India is OK (India has depth in talent and they have 38 first class teams). The ICC can also allow a second team from Pakistan as well. There are dozens of national teams, that are entirely comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't they allow additional teams from these two countries, without the fake labels such as "Oman", "Norway", "Czech Republic", "Sweden", "Qatar".etc? The advantage here is that these teams will be more competitive when compared to the "fake" national teams.

BTW, this is how the "Czech Republic" team looks like:

India and Pakistan has huge population that doesn't mean cricket need to be restricted in this part of the world. You cant do such manipulation in football, in fact South Asian football teams are no where in competition in FIFA despite there huge population. Rules should be simple, one country one team and that team must have 100% native players.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 25, 2022, 08:20:47 AM

Not now but in next 2-3 years for sure. Like i mentioned earlier that ICC should allow 2 teams from the India in the ICC tournament (Limited overs cricket) Grin

I'm sure 2nd string Indian team could provide far more entertainment and could be competitive in comparison to Zim, UAE, Ireland, Singapore and few others.

Even 3 from India is OK (India has depth in talent and they have 38 first class teams). The ICC can also allow a second team from Pakistan as well. There are dozens of national teams, that are entirely comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't they allow additional teams from these two countries, without the fake labels such as "Oman", "Norway", "Czech Republic", "Sweden", "Qatar".etc? The advantage here is that these teams will be more competitive when compared to the "fake" national teams.

BTW, this is how the "Czech Republic" team looks like:

Ok, I really don't understand if this is a joke or if you guys are being serious. If you guys are actually being serious, in that case, you are saying that there should be multiple teams going into the tournaments to take part, and we are just going to ignore that the majority of the countries in the world are not even interested in playing cricket. is that so? If that's the case then I think that might be the worst idea ever.

Anyway, I actually think it's a joke. just like the Czech Republic team, lol... Cheesy

It's obviously a joke but it's also shows how messed up this situation is. Army of subcontinent players going all around the world due to lack of opportunity in their own cricketing system. For example Unmukt chand, Indian u19 (2012 - Hanuma Vihari batchmate) world cup winning captain and out of nowhere become USA's captain.

Not saying that migration is bad but there should be some sort of limit on including foreign nationals in any national team from the ICC. You can't just airdrop tons of players from other countries and say hey now we have a cricket team, what about locals and spreading the game bla bla.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2022, 09:35:24 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 25, 2022, 08:20:47 AM

Not now but in next 2-3 years for sure. Like i mentioned earlier that ICC should allow 2 teams from the India in the ICC tournament (Limited overs cricket) Grin

I'm sure 2nd string Indian team could provide far more entertainment and could be competitive in comparison to Zim, UAE, Ireland, Singapore and few others.

Even 3 from India is OK (India has depth in talent and they have 38 first class teams). The ICC can also allow a second team from Pakistan as well. There are dozens of national teams, that are entirely comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't they allow additional teams from these two countries, without the fake labels such as "Oman", "Norway", "Czech Republic", "Sweden", "Qatar".etc? The advantage here is that these teams will be more competitive when compared to the "fake" national teams.

BTW, this is how the "Czech Republic" team looks like:

Ok, I really don't understand if this is a joke or if you guys are being serious. If you guys are actually being serious, in that case, you are saying that there should be multiple teams going into the tournaments to take part, and we are just going to ignore that the majority of the countries in the world are not even interested in playing cricket. is that so? If that's the case then I think that might be the worst idea ever.

Anyway, I actually think it's a joke. just like the Czech Republic team, lol... Cheesy

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 25, 2022, 08:20:47 AM

Not now but in next 2-3 years for sure. Like i mentioned earlier that ICC should allow 2 teams from the India in the ICC tournament (Limited overs cricket) Grin

I'm sure 2nd string Indian team could provide far more entertainment and could be competitive in comparison to Zim, UAE, Ireland, Singapore and few others.

Even 3 from India is OK (India has depth in talent and they have 38 first class teams). The ICC can also allow a second team from Pakistan as well. There are dozens of national teams, that are entirely comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't they allow additional teams from these two countries, without the fake labels such as "Oman", "Norway", "Czech Republic", "Sweden", "Qatar".etc? The advantage here is that these teams will be more competitive when compared to the "fake" national teams.

BTW, this is how the "Czech Republic" team looks like:

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Quote from: SirLancelot on April 24, 2022, 04:19:03 PM

Quote from: Tony116 on April 24, 2022, 11:40:52 AM

I know that these guys are really good but can any one of them replace Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma?
In my opinion, they can not. but obviously, that does not mean if Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli are not performing there will still be in the team, even though when there are a lot of people waiting for their chance to prove themselves.
The poor performance of Virat Kohli has been going on for a long time and I think it's time that he should be dropped.

In International cricket all players are replaceable because this is nature of this world and game, so please never talk about that Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma having not good replacements in current squad we have few players those have very good and natural talent which could be shine by time in near future even currently they are not doing like peoples are expecting from them. Right now things are not going in favor of these two legendary players so peoples having some good talk about them and their performance, but surely they are also humans, and they can do good and bad both.

Right now IPL is in progress, so they can check few youngsters for future and trying to have them for next international series which give them some good experience even right now they have no time as World Cup is also coming shortly, but things can change if BCCI and selectors will take some bold decisions for better future like done by Australia recently.

India actually has the type of player that you are talking about. Obviously, they should be given a chance, and the players who are not in form can obviously be dropped from the team at least for the sake of a test.

Virat Kohli has obviously not been in form recently. His being stubborn is obviously hurting the team right now. but even though a lot of people think that they have really good players who can be a good substitute for Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma, I think when these two players are in form there is no one that can substitute them.

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Quote from: galambo on April 25, 2022, 07:18:58 AM

You can't find players for test and odi from T20 leagues, IPL or any other league can only produce players for T20I only. Even T20I level is much higher then T20 league final. I keep on saying that India has huge domestic setup and they must have some young talented players who can replace out of form kohli just like Pujara and Rahane were replaced.

You are right, but they can start picking few players and then can go for other formats as well because after IPL there are five matches series between India vs South Africa, and then they have few other events as well, so this could be start for them which will surely help in near future for other formats as well.

Their domestic set up is huge, but it's not providing quality players which is big concern for them, they need to think about this and having some good changes for this as well and another thing is also important surely they need to have some good quality academies which help these youths in all formats this could be good investment for their cricket like Australia.

Currently, their investment is having the best return for them, and they are dominating in men's and women's both formats with their domestic system and academies.

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Quote from: Tony116 on April 24, 2022, 11:40:52 AM

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Quote from: romero121 on April 24, 2022, 04:24:19 AM

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

I agree because I think India has a lot of talent on offer but they don't have the experience and also the quality that these two players bring in the team.
I also agree that the players should be given more time and especially the players who are young. It is easy to feel nervous in the first few matches. But once the nerves get settled the player is surely going to do better. And I believe through IPL a lot of players are coming forward and they also don't feel that much nervousness while playing their first few matches.

I think you guys are focused on IPL so i want to jump in this conversation.

Just to give everyone broad perspective in regards of quality. Natarajan, Washington, Axar, Avesh Khan, Kartik, Ravi Bishnoi, Umesh Yadav, Khaleel Ahmed, Harshal patel, Prasidh Krishna, Gaikward, Shryas iyer, Shivam Dhube, Venkatesh Iyer, Prithvi Shaw, Shikar Dhawan can't even find their place in National team and i'm not even including new guys here.

I know that these guys are really good but can any one of them replace Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma?

In my opinion, they can not. but obviously, that does not mean if Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli are not performing there will still be in the team, even though when there are a lot of people waiting for their chance to prove themselves.

The poor performance of Virat Kohli has been going on for a long time and I think it's time that he should be dropped.

Not now but in next 2-3 years for sure. Like i mentioned earlier that ICC should allow 2 teams from the India in the ICC tournament (Limited overs cricket) Grin

I'm sure 2nd string Indian team could provide far more entertainment and could be competitive in comparison to Zim, UAE, Ireland, Singapore and few others.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on April 24, 2022, 04:19:03 PM

Right now IPL is in progress, so they can check few youngsters for future and trying to have them for next international series which give them some good experience even right now they have no time as World Cup is also coming shortly, but things can change if BCCI and selectors will take some bold decisions for better future like done by Australia recently.

You can't find players for test and odi from T20 leagues, IPL or any other league can only produce players for T20I only. Even T20I level is much higher then T20 league final. I keep on saying that India has huge domestic setup and they must have some young talented players who can replace out of form kohli just like Pujara and Rahane were replaced.

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Quote from: Tony116 on April 24, 2022, 11:40:52 AM

I know that these guys are really good but can any one of them replace Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma?

In my opinion, they can not. but obviously, that does not mean if Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli are not performing there will still be in the team, even though when there are a lot of people waiting for their chance to prove themselves.

The poor performance of Virat Kohli has been going on for a long time and I think it's time that he should be dropped.

In International cricket all players are replaceable because this is nature of this world and game, so please never talk about that Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma having not good replacements in current squad we have few players those have very good and natural talent which could be shine by time in near future even currently they are not doing like peoples are expecting from them. Right now things are not going in favor of these two legendary players so peoples having some good talk about them and their performance, but surely they are also humans, and they can do good and bad both.

Right now IPL is in progress, so they can check few youngsters for future and trying to have them for next international series which give them some good experience even right now they have no time as World Cup is also coming shortly, but things can change if BCCI and selectors will take some bold decisions for better future like done by Australia recently.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 24, 2022, 10:17:30 AM

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Quote from: romero121 on April 24, 2022, 04:24:19 AM

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

I agree because I think India has a lot of talent on offer but they don't have the experience and also the quality that these two players bring in the team.
I also agree that the players should be given more time and especially the players who are young. It is easy to feel nervous in the first few matches. But once the nerves get settled the player is surely going to do better. And I believe through IPL a lot of players are coming forward and they also don't feel that much nervousness while playing their first few matches.

I think you guys are focused on IPL so i want to jump in this conversation.

Just to give everyone broad perspective in regards of quality. Natarajan, Washington, Axar, Avesh Khan, Kartik, Ravi Bishnoi, Umesh Yadav, Khaleel Ahmed, Harshal patel, Prasidh Krishna, Gaikward, Shryas iyer, Shivam Dhube, Venkatesh Iyer, Prithvi Shaw, Shikar Dhawan can't even find their place in National team and i'm not even including new guys here.

I know that these guys are really good but can any one of them replace Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma?

In my opinion, they can not. but obviously, that does not mean if Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli are not performing there will still be in the team, even though when there are a lot of people waiting for their chance to prove themselves.

The poor performance of Virat Kohli has been going on for a long time and I think it's time that he should be dropped.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 24, 2022, 04:24:19 AM

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 24, 2022, 12:40:54 AM

In South Asia the problem with players like kohli is that they don't take break since they fear that new players may perform well and they will be replaced permanently. With this mentality kohli is still carrying on. In T20 WC, when kohli was asked to replace rohit because of his bad form he laughed and ignored it. Now same is done by Rohit when asked will he consider replacing kohli. Seems like Indian skippers are more interested in having good relationships with each other and that's costing Indian team.

Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma may not be in form. However, India does not have talented and experienced players like them. There are some young players who are quite talented, but they are not as experienced as Rohit and Kohli. And so replacement of Kohli and Rohit is not possible now.
However, it is important to return to their form. Some days they should take a break from all types of cricket. Once they are mentally stable, they should practice again. Maybe with hard practice they will be able to get back to form.

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

I also said that India has a lot of talented players. But I said they are not as experienced as Kohli and Rohit. They may be able to play well in the domestic series, but their performance outside the country is not good. The Indian management gave a chance to a number of young talented players in the team but they did not perform as expected in the national team. And so the BCCI no longer wants to rely on young players. They need experienced players. If they want to play well in the next World Cup, they definitely need experienced players. It would be foolish to rely on a platform like the World Cup.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 24, 2022, 10:17:30 AM

I think you guys are focused on IPL so i want to jump in this conversation.

Just to give everyone broad perspective in regards of quality. Natarajan, Washington, Axar, Avesh Khan, Kartik, Ravi Bishnoi, Umesh Yadav, Khaleel Ahmed, Harshal patel, Prasidh Krishna, Gaikward, Shryas iyer, Shivam Dhube, Venkatesh Iyer, Prithvi Shaw, Shikar Dhawan can't even find their place in National team and i'm not even including new guys here.

Yes that quite true. You can't compare IPL with international cricket. Though we have best players in IPL but level of international cricket is way over any league because of some reasons. But that doesn't mean there is no replacement of King kohli in all domestic teams of bcci there are many players in queue just waiting for there turn.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on April 24, 2022, 02:12:55 AM

Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma may not be in form. However, India does not have talented and experienced players like them. There are some young players who are quite talented, but they are not as experienced as Rohit and Kohli. And so replacement of Kohli and Rohit is not possible now.
However, it is important to return to their form. Some days they should take a break from all types of cricket. Once they are mentally stable, they should practice again. Maybe with hard practice they will be able to get back to form.

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

I agree because I think India has a lot of talent on offer but they don't have the experience and also the quality that these two players bring in the team.

I also agree that the players should be given more time and especially the players who are young. It is easy to feel nervous in the first few matches. But once the nerves get settled the player is surely going to do better. And I believe through IPL a lot of players are coming forward and they also don't feel that much nervousness while playing their first few matches.

I think you guys are focused on IPL so i want to jump in this conversation.

Just to give everyone broad perspective in regards of quality. Natarajan, Washington, Axar, Avesh Khan, Kartik, Ravi Bishnoi, Umesh Yadav, Khaleel Ahmed, Harshal patel, Prasidh Krishna, Gaikward, Shryas iyer, Shivam Dhube, Venkatesh Iyer, Prithvi Shaw, Shikar Dhawan can't even find their place in National team and i'm not even including new guys here.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 24, 2022, 04:24:19 AM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on April 24, 2022, 02:12:55 AM

Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma may not be in form. However, India does not have talented and experienced players like them. There are some young players who are quite talented, but they are not as experienced as Rohit and Kohli. And so replacement of Kohli and Rohit is not possible now.
However, it is important to return to their form. Some days they should take a break from all types of cricket. Once they are mentally stable, they should practice again. Maybe with hard practice they will be able to get back to form.

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

I agree because I think India has a lot of talent on offer but they don't have the experience and also the quality that these two players bring in the team.

I also agree that the players should be given more time and especially the players who are young. It is easy to feel nervous in the first few matches. But once the nerves get settled the player is surely going to do better. And I believe through IPL a lot of players are coming forward and they also don't feel that much nervousness while playing their first few matches.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 24, 2022, 04:24:19 AM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on April 24, 2022, 02:12:55 AM

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 24, 2022, 12:40:54 AM

In South Asia the problem with players like kohli is that they don't take break since they fear that new players may perform well and they will be replaced permanently. With this mentality kohli is still carrying on. In T20 WC, when kohli was asked to replace rohit because of his bad form he laughed and ignored it. Now same is done by Rohit when asked will he consider replacing kohli. Seems like Indian skippers are more interested in having good relationships with each other and that's costing Indian team.

Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma may not be in form. However, India does not have talented and experienced players like them. There are some young players who are quite talented, but they are not as experienced as Rohit and Kohli. And so replacement of Kohli and Rohit is not possible now.
However, it is important to return to their form. Some days they should take a break from all types of cricket. Once they are mentally stable, they should practice again. Maybe with hard practice they will be able to get back to form.

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

Sometime i wish that ICC should allow BCCI to field 2 or may be 3 teams (being cheeky here) teams in ICC tournament lol, i know it's a ridiculous demand but imo it does have some merit. Even 2nd, 3rd string Indian team would perform better or give fair amount of competition to opposition in comparison to associate member.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 24, 2022, 04:24:19 AM

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

India has population of 1.3 billion and they are crazy for cricket. BCCI has around 40 teams in its domestic cricket pool. So with such huge setup it's surprising to see bcci has no replacement of King kohli nor rohit. If bcci wanna continue with kohli current form rather then giving chance to new talent then its there own choice.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on April 24, 2022, 02:12:55 AM

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 24, 2022, 12:40:54 AM

In South Asia the problem with players like kohli is that they don't take break since they fear that new players may perform well and they will be replaced permanently. With this mentality kohli is still carrying on. In T20 WC, when kohli was asked to replace rohit because of his bad form he laughed and ignored it. Now same is done by Rohit when asked will he consider replacing kohli. Seems like Indian skippers are more interested in having good relationships with each other and that's costing Indian team.

Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma may not be in form. However, India does not have talented and experienced players like them. There are some young players who are quite talented, but they are not as experienced as Rohit and Kohli. And so replacement of Kohli and Rohit is not possible now.
However, it is important to return to their form. Some days they should take a break from all types of cricket. Once they are mentally stable, they should practice again. Maybe with hard practice they will be able to get back to form.

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 24, 2022, 12:40:54 AM

In South Asia the problem with players like kohli is that they don't take break since they fear that new players may perform well and they will be replaced permanently. With this mentality kohli is still carrying on. In T20 WC, when kohli was asked to replace rohit because of his bad form he laughed and ignored it. Now same is done by Rohit when asked will he consider replacing kohli. Seems like Indian skippers are more interested in having good relationships with each other and that's costing Indian team.

Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma may not be in form. However, India does not have talented and experienced players like them. There are some young players who are quite talented, but they are not as experienced as Rohit and Kohli. And so replacement of Kohli and Rohit is not possible now.
However, it is important to return to their form. Some days they should take a break from all types of cricket. Once they are mentally stable, they should practice again. Maybe with hard practice they will be able to get back to form.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 23, 2022, 04:01:51 PM

Day by day things are going the worst for Kohli but greediness or competition is not allowing him to take care about these things, and he is carried on with his the worst form in current time which can bring some more problems for him and his career.

Many saying it's all about money and few are having other views alike ego or what, but surely he needs some break which give them some better mind-set about his game and future, but he has to do something for some time surely currently Indian team is most busy in cricket world and their players are now suffering from things like this which is not good signal if BCCI needs to keep their players in good shape then surely they need to work on rotation system and having some strong back for all in all formats which will help them for staying good for long time, and they could be served in better way for their country.

In South Asia the problem with players like kohli is that they don't take break since they fear that new players may perform well and they will be replaced permanently. With this mentality kohli is still carrying on. In T20 WC, when kohli was asked to replace rohit because of his bad form he laughed and ignored it. Now same is done by Rohit when asked will he consider replacing kohli. Seems like Indian skippers are more interested in having good relationships with each other and that's costing Indian team.

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