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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 31, 2022, 04:47:36 AM

South Africa vs Bangladesh

The first Test match between South Africa and Bangladesh is being held today. Bangladesh won the toss and elected to bowl. And at the end of 14 overs, South Africa collected 60 runs, without losing a wicket. The condition of the pitch makes it look like a batting-friendly pitch. So if you want to win the match, the bowlers must play well.

Despite winning the ODI series against South Africa, it does not look like Bangladesh will win the Test match. South Africa is much more experienced in the Test format than Bangladesh. It will not be difficult for South Africa to defeat Bangladesh.

After day 1 of South Africa's first test against Bangladesh, Elgar and Erwee gave the hosts a big boost, and Bavuma's half-century helped the hosts achieve 233/4 in Durban. After taking three wickets in the afternoon session, Bangladesh managed to get only one wicket the rest of the day. Bangladeshi bowlers will have a hard time tomorrow, regardless of whether they bowled them out early or not. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on March 30, 2022, 02:37:32 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on March 29, 2022, 08:18:21 AM

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Last 17 match, only 1 win.

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They already lost the Ashes 4-0

Surprisingly skipper Joe and interim coach Collingwood thinks that recent windies tour was very positive for the team. I hope they are not saying this because they didn't lose series by 3-0 margin or final tally was 1-0 so there is some improvement lol.

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 31, 2022, 04:47:36 AM

South Africa vs Bangladesh

The first Test match between South Africa and Bangladesh is being held today. Bangladesh won the toss and elected to bowl. And at the end of 14 overs, South Africa collected 60 runs, without losing a wicket. The condition of the pitch makes it look like a batting-friendly pitch. So if you want to win the match, the bowlers must play well.

Despite winning the ODI series against South Africa, it does not look like Bangladesh will win the Test match. South Africa is much more experienced in the Test format than Bangladesh. It will not be difficult for South Africa to defeat Bangladesh.

Proteas fielding their second string team in this series so may be Bangbros has some chance here, winning the test might be a tough task but there is a possibility of draw?

Shakib still missing from the test squad. Huh

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 31, 2022, 04:47:36 AM

South Africa vs Bangladesh

The first Test match between South Africa and Bangladesh is being held today. Bangladesh won the toss and elected to bowl. And at the end of 14 overs, South Africa collected 60 runs, without losing a wicket. The condition of the pitch makes it look like a batting-friendly pitch. So if you want to win the match, the bowlers must play well.

Despite winning the ODI series against South Africa, it does not look like Bangladesh will win the Test match. South Africa is much more experienced in the Test format than Bangladesh. It will not be difficult for South Africa to defeat Bangladesh.

For a team of Bangladesh level its enough to win ODI series and that too in SA. We can't say they are not capable of winning test in SA. SA lost ODI series since most of there players are busy in IPL, same is true for SA Test squad. Due to iPL international cricket of many countries are suffering since players prefer ipl over national duty.

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South Africa vs Bangladesh

The first Test match between South Africa and Bangladesh is being held today. Bangladesh won the toss and elected to bowl. And at the end of 14 overs, South Africa collected 60 runs, without losing a wicket. The condition of the pitch makes it look like a batting-friendly pitch. So if you want to win the match, the bowlers must play well.

Despite winning the ODI series against South Africa, it does not look like Bangladesh will win the Test match. South Africa is much more experienced in the Test format than Bangladesh. It will not be difficult for South Africa to defeat Bangladesh.

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we're heading into first test between South Africa and Bangladesh. Bangladesh test captain Mominul who have won the toss and decide to bowl first. Sadly the majority of the SA's star players are not playing in this test series due to their IPL commitment. Bangladeshi ODI skippers Tamim, Shakib, Shoriful, Mustafiz, Mahmudullah all went missing from the squad. Still I'm expecting for good and competitive match from both sides.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on March 30, 2022, 02:37:32 PM

There are certain problems in the England cricket team and it is quite visible after the loss against West Indies. They should really be able to beat a team like West Indies in test format because West Indies is not known for their test cricket. At least not in this era.

What I am worried about is if this is their result against West Indies what will happen if they face Australia in the ashes. And this certainly goes back to the England cricket board giving a lot more importance to limited-overs cricket.

We have just seen England facing Australia in Ashes and results are drastic. England just manage to survive a 5/0 whitewash as one of test match was draw. I think it's also good to see team like West Indies performing good in Test, although I don't think West Indies can repeat such performance against top teams like Australia, New Zealand or Pakistan but still its a healthy sign that WI have some spark in the team.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 29, 2022, 08:18:21 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 28, 2022, 09:06:32 PM

Yeah.. never took you seriously at that time. It is difficult to believe actually. West Indies had the home advantage. But they fared poorly against other test nations at home (even against Ireland). So what happened to England? Their bowling was pathetic, but the batting was even worse. So why did the batsmen completely failed in facing a bunch of ordinary looking bowlers from the West Indies? Actually they need to drop some of the useless batsmen rather than kicking out Anderson and Broad from the squad.

They hop on a plane for a Caribbean and get belted by home team every single time. Some draw series here n there, otherwise result always end up in Windies favor. Windies also return favor when they go to England.
There are many reason for this epic meltdown. Leadership is main one. English team is going back to their 90's phase but this time they also have one bad captain. He's having great time with the bat and very likable guy but i've to say poor joe is shitty captain and not inspiring the team in any possible way. Atm there are lot of chatters regarding new captain and coach.
Domestic setup is also creating more trouble than solution. They are not creating good pitches for county, focus is on only seam friendly track, where 130 kmph bowlers bully everyone, virtually no assistance for the spinners (if any club tries to create spin track they punish them with negative points). Result no quality players for the internationals fixtures, all they can do is play competitive cricket at home but when it comes to overseas they shit their bed.
Last 17 match, only 1 win.

There are certain problems in the England cricket team and it is quite visible after the loss against West Indies. They should really be able to beat a team like West Indies in test format because West Indies is not known for their test cricket. At least not in this era.

What I am worried about is if this is their result against West Indies what will happen if they face Australia in the ashes. And this certainly goes back to the England cricket board giving a lot more importance to limited-overs cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 28, 2022, 09:06:32 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on March 27, 2022, 08:39:34 PM

Told ya.. Windies always play well against the Poms.

Yeah.. never took you seriously at that time. It is difficult to believe actually. West Indies had the home advantage. But they fared poorly against other test nations at home (even against Ireland). So what happened to England? Their bowling was pathetic, but the batting was even worse. So why did the batsmen completely failed in facing a bunch of ordinary looking bowlers from the West Indies? Actually they need to drop some of the useless batsmen rather than kicking out Anderson and Broad from the squad.

They hop on a plane for a Caribbean and get belted by home team every single time. Some draw series here n there, otherwise result always end up in Windies favor. Windies also return favor when they go to England.

There are many reason for this epic meltdown. Leadership is main one. English team is going back to their 90's phase but this time they also have one bad captain. He's having great time with the bat and very likable guy but i've to say poor joe is shitty captain and not inspiring the team in any possible way. Atm there are lot of chatters regarding new captain and coach.

Domestic setup is also creating more trouble than solution. They are not creating good pitches for county, focus is on only seam friendly track, where 130 kmph bowlers bully everyone, virtually no assistance for the spinners (if any club tries to create spin track they punish them with negative points). Result no quality players for the internationals fixtures, all they can do is play competitive cricket at home but when it comes to overseas they shit their bed.

Last 17 match, only 1 win.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on March 29, 2022, 03:42:05 AM

The England management will have to make some difficult decisions right now for the Test format. Otherwise, they will not be able to easily improve their performance in the test format. England has a good enough squad for the T20 ODI format. But in the test format, they are a bit weak now. Maybe they need to find new talented players. Otherwise, some of their important players will have to be sent to rest for their peace of mind. Now if they don't send their important players to rest, we will not see a better performance from them in the upcoming World Cup.

In T20 every team has decent teams be it West Indies, Afghanistan or any other. The point is test is proper cricket format and only seasoned players can perform well in test cricket. ECB has taken right decision by removing Anderson and Broad from test squad, they need such shortlisting in Test also.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 28, 2022, 09:06:32 PM

Yeah.. never took you seriously at that time. It is difficult to believe actually. West Indies had the home advantage. But they fared poorly against other test nations at home (even against Ireland). So what happened to England? Their bowling was pathetic, but the batting was even worse. So why did the batsmen completely failed in facing a bunch of ordinary looking bowlers from the West Indies? Actually they need to drop some of the useless batsmen rather than kicking out Anderson and Broad from the squad.

Just like India can't give rest to King Kohli, England can't rest Ben Stokes and few other players which you are referring. If this situation persists then England will become a team as they were in late 90s. Cricket is greatly in decline in countries like West Indies, South Africa and SL. They were once considered to be best team but now they are at level of associate teams.

The England management will have to make some difficult decisions right now for the Test format. Otherwise, they will not be able to easily improve their performance in the test format. England has a good enough squad for the T20 ODI format. But in the test format, they are a bit weak now. Maybe they need to find new talented players. Otherwise, some of their important players will have to be sent to rest for their peace of mind. Now if they don't send their important players to rest, we will not see a better performance from them in the upcoming World Cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 28, 2022, 09:06:32 PM

Yeah.. never took you seriously at that time. It is difficult to believe actually. West Indies had the home advantage. But they fared poorly against other test nations at home (even against Ireland). So what happened to England? Their bowling was pathetic, but the batting was even worse. So why did the batsmen completely failed in facing a bunch of ordinary looking bowlers from the West Indies? Actually they need to drop some of the useless batsmen rather than kicking out Anderson and Broad from the squad.

Just like India can't give rest to King Kohli, England can't rest Ben Stokes and few other players which you are referring. If this situation persists then England will become a team as they were in late 90s. Cricket is greatly in decline in countries like West Indies, South Africa and SL. They were once considered to be best team but now they are at level of associate teams.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 27, 2022, 08:39:34 PM

Told ya.. Windies always play well against the Poms.

Yeah.. never took you seriously at that time. It is difficult to believe actually. West Indies had the home advantage. But they fared poorly against other test nations at home (even against Ireland). So what happened to England? Their bowling was pathetic, but the batting was even worse. So why did the batsmen completely failed in facing a bunch of ordinary looking bowlers from the West Indies? Actually they need to drop some of the useless batsmen rather than kicking out Anderson and Broad from the squad.

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Quote from: galambo on March 28, 2022, 01:18:47 PM

England lost Ashes 4-0 but thats something understandable as they were aganest worlds best Test team. West Indies is not in good form these days and they lost to Ireland in recent ODI series 2-1. Everyone was expecting England to regain there form in this series but England lost both ODI and test series, this is a big worry sign for England.

England now lost their last 5 test matches from 8 which is the worst for them and now many old legendary players are rising their voices about this all, but today I read Root is still consisting he will not leave captaincy even it's not good from him, but we can't talk about this. So, now playing in away matches is never been easy for any team and West Indies is currently the weakest team in test cricket, but England is also in the same category just because of their tactics and selection policy.

Even now many voices are talking about their all system which need to be big changes if they want to grow again, but it's not easy it needs some good and long policy hopefully now after having these the worst results their management will think about this and try to bring some better and quality talent even these could be from mostly Asian connection because it's now also big concern they are not bringing some good number of talented players those are from settled families which need to change.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 28, 2022, 01:08:02 PM

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Quote from: galambo on March 26, 2022, 09:08:12 AM

India has rotation policy and that's best in the interest of country that every state get a chance to host international matches not just few states have that right. Sometimes you have to compromise on revenue to bring equality in the country. Between, till now I have a mindset that India has best venues in the world with adequate facilities.

Well, sometimes it's not about revenue. I was merely pointing out "Spectator experience" in the stands.

Yes, rotation policy helps states to hosts international match but imo Test match should be schedule in crowd pulling stadiums only, no matter what (Let's say fixed 7-10 stadiums, keep rotation policy for LOI) and make them at least decent for the spectators. Grounds has no problem but facilities sucks when catering the crowds for ex no shades when its hot, shitty food etc, state boards literally don't want to invest much energy in it.

T-20 and ODI experiences are satisfactory-excellent in India and worth every penny and IPL experience is amazing tho but it's only because of franchises but that's not the case with the Test format.

People are not interested in test matches. By saying people, I mean fans and people with money. And test cricket is just not generating enough money for it to be interesting to even the cricket boards.

That's why it's understandable why test cricket is not getting enough help from the boards either. Almost all the cricket boards have realized that the future is ODI and t20 cricket and that's why they are making their squad for limited overs cricket.

I was making point on "Spectator experience". Generating revenue and creating friendly environment for the spectators are 2 different things but anyway. As far as making money from the test cricket is concern. There are only 4 teams are earning enough money.

1. England
2. Australia
3. India
4. Every team if they are playing against India

BCCI generate enough money but watching cricket in India is nightmare when comparing to SENA countries. NZ lose revenue every time they play test cricket but they provide top notch facilities. I understand per capita income is higher in SENA countries so not expecting similar experience in India but still BCCI can at least try to make some sort of effort for the audience.

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Quote from: Iranus on March 28, 2022, 01:12:44 PM

I have to say I expected a lot better from England in the second innings. It's just not acceptable from a team like England to just be all out for so cheap. England just needed to hold on to their wickets and stay on the pitch, if the date that I think the runs would have come eventually but they failed to do so.

And it was an easy win for West Indies by 10 wickets. The highest individual runs for the whole England team in the second linings was 31 which is absolutely unbelievable.

England lost Ashes 4-0 but thats something understandable as they were aganest worlds best Test team. West Indies is not in good form these days and they lost to Ireland in recent ODI series 2-1. Everyone was expecting England to regain there form in this series but England lost both ODI and test series, this is a big worry sign for England.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 27, 2022, 08:21:55 PM

At one point in the first innings, West Indies was in terrible position as they were reduced to 128/7. But the partnership between Joshua Da Silva and Alzarri Joseph enabled them to reach a total of around 300. And this actually showed the inexperience and lack of variation from the England bowlers. Unfortunately, Chris Woakes, Craig Overton and Saqib Mahmood are no match for James Anderson and Stuart Broad. Dropping these two from the squad seems to have negatively impacted the performance of England.

I have to say I expected a lot better from England in the second innings. It's just not acceptable from a team like England to just be all out for so cheap. England just needed to hold on to their wickets and stay on the pitch, if the date that I think the runs would have come eventually but they failed to do so.

And it was an easy win for West Indies by 10 wickets. The highest individual runs for the whole England team in the second linings was 31 which is absolutely unbelievable.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 27, 2022, 08:39:34 PM

Quote from: galambo on March 26, 2022, 09:08:12 AM

India has rotation policy and that's best in the interest of country that every state get a chance to host international matches not just few states have that right. Sometimes you have to compromise on revenue to bring equality in the country. Between, till now I have a mindset that India has best venues in the world with adequate facilities.

Well, sometimes it's not about revenue. I was merely pointing out "Spectator experience" in the stands.

Yes, rotation policy helps states to hosts international match but imo Test match should be schedule in crowd pulling stadiums only, no matter what (Let's say fixed 7-10 stadiums, keep rotation policy for LOI) and make them at least decent for the spectators. Grounds has no problem but facilities sucks when catering the crowds for ex no shades when its hot, shitty food etc, state boards literally don't want to invest much energy in it.

T-20 and ODI experiences are satisfactory-excellent in India and worth every penny and IPL experience is amazing tho but it's only because of franchises but that's not the case with the Test format.

People are not interested in test matches. By saying people, I mean fans and people with money. And test cricket is just not generating enough money for it to be interesting to even the cricket boards.

That's why it's understandable why test cricket is not getting enough help from the boards either. Almost all the cricket boards have realized that the future is ODI and t20 cricket and that's why they are making their squad for limited overs cricket.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 27, 2022, 08:39:34 PM

Well, sometimes it's not about revenue. I was merely pointing out "Spectator experience" in the stands.

Yes, rotation policy helps states to hosts international match but imo Test match should be schedule in crowd pulling stadiums only, no matter what (Let's say fixed 7-10 stadiums, keep rotation policy for LOI) and make them at least decent for the spectators. Grounds has no problem but facilities sucks when catering the crowds for ex no shades when its hot, shitty food etc, state boards literally don't want to invest much energy in it.

T-20 and ODI experiences are satisfactory-excellent in India and worth every penny and IPL experience is amazing tho but it's only because of franchises but that's not the case with the Test format.

Thanks for providing such info. IPL matches are also payed on same venues where international matches are held or you have separate stadiums for IPL? The stadiums look too good on TV specially Eden Gardens cricket ground in Kolkata. Indian are fond of cricket and even we see full pack stadium in Tests.

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Quote from: galambo on March 26, 2022, 09:08:12 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on March 26, 2022, 05:34:00 AM

If we leave few bilateral series then i hate to admit that your statement is true and i guess everyone know that, including ICC officials.

Having said that, in context of India. I would say that in last 5-6 years Test cricket popularity has only gone up due to Indian team success. Although BCCI still failed to pull crowd in stadium but its because of poor facilities and neglecting crowd pulling venue (Due to rotation policy, its related to hosting rights for the states).

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India has rotation policy and that's best in the interest of country that every state get a chance to host international matches not just few states have that right. Sometimes you have to compromise on revenue to bring equality in the country. Between, till now I have a mindset that India has best venues in the world with adequate facilities.

Well, sometimes it's not about revenue. I was merely pointing out "Spectator experience" in the stands.

Yes, rotation policy helps states to hosts international match but imo Test match should be schedule in crowd pulling stadiums only, no matter what (Let's say fixed 7-10 stadiums, keep rotation policy for LOI) and make them at least decent for the spectators. Grounds has no problem but facilities sucks when catering the crowds for ex no shades when its hot, shitty food etc, state boards literally don't want to invest much energy in it.

T-20 and ODI experiences are satisfactory-excellent in India and worth every penny and IPL experience is amazing tho but it's only because of franchises but that's not the case with the Test format.

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 27, 2022, 08:21:55 PM

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Told ya.. Windies always play well against the Poms.

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At one point in the first innings, West Indies was in terrible position as they were reduced to 128/7. But the partnership between Joshua Da Silva and Alzarri Joseph enabled them to reach a total of around 300. And this actually showed the inexperience and lack of variation from the England bowlers. Unfortunately, Chris Woakes, Craig Overton and Saqib Mahmood are no match for James Anderson and Stuart Broad. Dropping these two from the squad seems to have negatively impacted the performance of England.

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