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Quote from: JSRAW on March 03, 2022, 12:54:20 AM

They are left with 7 test match ( 3 series). If they want to qualify for the finals without depending on any other team's result then they need minimum 6 wins.

Home - 2 tests against Sri Lanka
Away - 2 against Pakistan and 3 against England

Let's say they successfully beat SL easily at home but they still need to win 4 games against Pak and Eng, which i think would be very tough and really need a miracle because Pakis are no dummy imo. Already said about England, they are dead in WTC and hit the rock bottom. Their trajectory can only go up from here so i believe they will perform okay from now on, at least at home.

This means that New Zealand they can only lose one match out of 7 scheduled tests. Its difficult from here but not impossible as they have 5 matches against SL and England. I go with @Sithara007 thats too early to predict that who will qualify for the final as Aus and SL have played only one series so far. If Australia manage to beat Pakistan in upcoming test series then surely they have chance to reach final of WTC 2022.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 02, 2022, 11:02:31 PM

It is too early to predict who will qualify for the WTC finals at this point. Although I am not going to deny the fact that New Zealand has suffered a couple of setbacks recently, it is unfair to discount their chances. They still have the best test batsman (Kane Williamson) and the best pace attack in the world (Boult/Wagner/Jamieson/Henry/Southee/Milne). Right now, none of the other teams can match their team balance. The only domain where they are lagging behind is in spin department. They dominate in all the other departments.

They are left with 7 test match ( 3 series). If they want to qualify for the finals without depending on any other team's result then they need minimum 6 wins.

Home - 2 tests against Sri Lanka
Away - 2 against Pakistan and 3 against England

Let's say they successfully beat SL easily at home but they still need to win 4 games against Pak and Eng, which i think would be very tough and really need a miracle because Pakis are no dummy imo. Already said about England, they are dead in WTC and hit the rock bottom. Their trajectory can only go up from here so i believe they will perform okay from now on, at least at home.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 02, 2022, 11:02:31 PM

It is too early to predict who will qualify for the WTC finals at this point. Although I am not going to deny the fact that New Zealand has suffered a couple of setbacks recently, it is unfair to discount their chances. They still have the best test batsman (Kane Williamson) and the best pace attack in the world (Boult/Wagner/Jamieson/Henry/Southee/Milne). Right now, none of the other teams can match their team balance. The only domain where they are lagging behind is in spin department. They dominate in all the other departments.

New Zealand is a very strong team. I would say they are more likely to qualify for WTC. But they have lost points in a few matches. They have lost the same Test match against Bangladesh and also lost one against South Africa. However, they still have plenty of time to qualify for the WTC Final. They will have to play more responsibly in the upcoming matches. I think they have the abvilty.

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It is too early to predict who will qualify for the WTC finals at this point. Although I am not going to deny the fact that New Zealand has suffered a couple of setbacks recently, it is unfair to discount their chances. They still have the best test batsman (Kane Williamson) and the best pace attack in the world (Boult/Wagner/Jamieson/Henry/Southee/Milne). Right now, none of the other teams can match their team balance. The only domain where they are lagging behind is in spin department. They dominate in all the other departments.

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Quote from: Maidak on March 02, 2022, 04:19:15 AM

Newzealand is obviously going to have a really hard time defending their title and I don't see them being successful doing it. Because they have had a really bad start.

I thought Australia has a good chance but they have lots of games in sub-continent and away conditions and I don't see them doing too good in certain situations.

India seems to be a good choice for picking to be in the finals again. I am really hopeful about South Africa though, they have shown good performance and also a really strong test side.

With current table positions and future programs looks not good for titleholder New Zealand to defend their title they already lost very crucial points against South Africa and Bangladesh now their future series are also very tough so with this all I am feeling right now Australia and India are two very strong contenders for future final because right now just these two teams are capable to give very results in all conditions even India is currently having some concerns after opt out of Pujara and Rahane but still they are very strong and capable of having wins against all teams in any conditions.

South Africa is also not bad at all, but they need some good time for having better results, their win against New Zealand was very impressive.

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Quote from: Maidak on March 02, 2022, 04:19:15 AM

Newzealand is obviously going to have a really hard time defending their title and I don't see them being successful doing it. Because they have had a really bad start.

I thought Australia has a good chance but they have lots of games in sub-continent and away conditions and I don't see them doing too good in certain situations.

India seems to be a good choice for picking to be in the finals again. I am really hopeful about South Africa though, they have shown good performance and also a really strong test side.

Of all test playing teams only Australia has the capability to perform in every country apart from home conditions. India is very strong only in home conditions and average performance outside and same is true for other countries also. Aus are in subcontinent and shortly we will see how well they have prepared for subcontinent conditions.

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Not just hard but close to zero chances for them.

This is current report for all the series.

NZ - 1 home series (SL) and 2 away series (ENG + PAK). Eng hit the rock bottom but i think they will do okay from here. They need a miracle.

India's chances doesn't good because they need to win majority of their remaining games, even draw matches can ruin their chances but i would be very happy if proven wrong. (point system based on win %)

@JSRAW I’m frankly quiet surprised to see that NZ has very less chance of defending their title, but not surprised to see team India among the favourites to reach the finals. Also a key thing to consider here is that team India has dropped two non performing player’s, and this could either work for them or could be wrong move as those player’s could have played better in the home conditions what do you think of team India’s decision?.

Well, luck runs out for everyone and Williamson is not available due to injury so this is another reason. Williamson being injured and another classy batter Lathom is out of form not helping their cause and due to this their batting department showing some weakness at least in last 6 matches, they completely failed in India. Bangladesh and South Africa managed to win 1 game each as well.

In 10-12 years India has lost only 3 matches at home so replacing Rahane-Pujara for home condition is not going to hurt at all and its a best decision. India can find new batters easily from domestic when playing at home, even debutant will do better job than those 2, we already have Shreyas's inning against NZ as recent example. Overseas series are tricky tho.

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Quote from: Maidak on March 02, 2022, 04:19:15 AM

Newzealand is obviously going to have a really hard time defending their title and I don't see them being successful doing it. Because they have had a really bad start.

I thought Australia has a good chance but they have lots of games in sub-continent and away conditions and I don't see them doing too good in certain situations.

New Zealand will most probably not retain the championship this time around and I don't think India will win it either. My bet is on Australia to win the championship since they are on a roll winning trophies across all formats these days.

Quote from: Maidak on March 02, 2022, 04:19:15 AM

India seems to be a good choice for picking to be in the finals again. I am really hopeful about South Africa though, they have shown good performance and also a really strong test side.

I don't think that they are a strong test side to be honest. South Africa has been performing well in home conditions, but they haven't improved much in away conditions though.

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New Zealand could have lost the match early on day five, but they tried their best. In the opening session, the Kiwis lost only one wicket, and they remained competitive until the third session. Despite their efforts, the Kiwis were unable to prevent South Africa's win. South Africa won the second test match thanks to an outstanding performance by Kagiso Rabada. The second test ended in a loss for New Zealand by 198 runs, ending the series at 1-1.

If the opener does not start the innings well, it becomes difficult to win the match. And I want to blame their two openers for New Zealand's defeat. Tom Latham scored 1 run in two innings. Will Young collected 3 runs in two innings. If the two of them could have started well and collected around 30-40 runs, New Zealand could have fought for the win. But the South African bowlers have played great. Rabada's bowling was outstanding.

Yes, it was always the openers who plays an important role in the cricket matches. The initial wicket loss makes the match to be easy for the opponent. During the first innings same scenario happened, but with the batting of Grandhomme things changed and New Zealand got back into the match. The second innings didn't give hands.

I have always thought that the opening batsman should always be really good at their work and also has to be a little crazy. I mean why would you decide to bat at a time when the ball is moving the most and the pitch is also doing its best? Right?

But probably it's just me. But I am sure that the openers do need to be really good at their job. They have to observe the heat of the best bowlers bowling at the start of the innings. And losing the first wicket cheaply can put the teams on the back foot. That's what happened in this case and they actually never recovered quite well from it.

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No problem whatsoever with them winning the WTC title but if we look at closely without any bias then all system looks dodgy, having said that rules are same for every team. Some got better deal out of it and some missed out the opportunity so its part of the game.

I doubt if NZ is going to qualify in this cycle, they already played 3 series and won only 2 matches. The best they can do is play spoiler role for other parties.

SA should fancy there chances for the finals as they bring their A game against Australia (another tough series). Pak is in strong position as they are playing in subcontinent only. Aus also looking strong but they are facing Pak, Ind and India in subcontinent, which is not easy task. SL could also surprise us if they successfully draw the upcoming series against India. India need to play quality cricket and win most of their remaining fixture (7 out of 9) if they want to play finals again.

Newzealand is obviously going to have a really hard time defending their title and I don't see them being successful doing it. Because they have had a really bad start.

I thought Australia has a good chance but they have lots of games in sub-continent and away conditions and I don't see them doing too good in certain situations.

India seems to be a good choice for picking to be in the finals again. I am really hopeful about South Africa though, they have shown good performance and also a really strong test side.

Not just hard but close to zero chances for them.

This is current report for all the series.

NZ - 1 home series (SL) and 2 away series (ENG + PAK). Eng hit the rock bottom but i think they will do okay from here. They need a miracle.

India's chances doesn't good because they need to win majority of their remaining games, even draw matches can ruin their chances but i would be very happy if proven wrong. (point system based on win %)

@JSRAW I’m frankly quiet surprised to see that NZ has very less chance of defending their title, but not surprised to see team India among the favourites to reach the finals. Also a key thing to consider here is that team India has dropped two non performing player’s, and this could either work for them or could be wrong move as those player’s could have played better in the home conditions what do you think of team India’s decision?.

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No problem whatsoever with them winning the WTC title but if we look at closely without any bias then all system looks dodgy, having said that rules are same for every team. Some got better deal out of it and some missed out the opportunity so its part of the game.

I doubt if NZ is going to qualify in this cycle, they already played 3 series and won only 2 matches. The best they can do is play spoiler role for other parties.

SA should fancy there chances for the finals as they bring their A game against Australia (another tough series). Pak is in strong position as they are playing in subcontinent only. Aus also looking strong but they are facing Pak, Ind and India in subcontinent, which is not easy task. SL could also surprise us if they successfully draw the upcoming series against India. India need to play quality cricket and win most of their remaining fixture (7 out of 9) if they want to play finals again.

Newzealand is obviously going to have a really hard time defending their title and I don't see them being successful doing it. Because they have had a really bad start.

I thought Australia has a good chance but they have lots of games in sub-continent and away conditions and I don't see them doing too good in certain situations.

India seems to be a good choice for picking to be in the finals again. I am really hopeful about South Africa though, they have shown good performance and also a really strong test side.

Not just hard but close to zero chances for them.

This is current report for all the series.

NZ - 1 home series (SL) and 2 away series (ENG + PAK). Eng hit the rock bottom but i think they will do okay from here. They need a miracle.

India's chances doesn't look good because they need to win majority of their remaining games, even draw matches can ruin their chances but i would be very happy if proven wrong. (point system based on win %)

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 01, 2022, 12:20:51 PM

Quote from: Maidak on March 01, 2022, 11:36:02 AM

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No problem whatsoever with them winning the WTC title but if we look at closely without any bias then all system looks dodgy, having said that rules are same for every team. Some got better deal out of it and some missed out the opportunity so its part of the game.

I doubt if NZ is going to qualify in this cycle, they already played 3 series and won only 2 matches. The best they can do is play spoiler role for other parties.

SA should fancy there chances for the finals as they bring their A game against Australia (another tough series). Pak is in strong position as they are playing in subcontinent only. Aus also looking strong but they are facing Pak, Ind and India in subcontinent, which is not easy task. SL could also surprise us if they successfully draw the upcoming series against India. India need to play quality cricket and win most of their remaining fixture (7 out of 9) if they want to play finals again.

Newzealand is obviously going to have a really hard time defending their title and I don't see them being successful doing it. Because they have had a really bad start.

I thought Australia has a good chance but they have lots of games in sub-continent and away conditions and I don't see them doing too good in certain situations.

India seems to be a good choice for picking to be in the finals again. I am really hopeful about South Africa though, they have shown good performance and also a really strong test side.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on March 01, 2022, 02:18:19 PM

If the opener does not start the innings well, it becomes difficult to win the match. And I want to blame their two openers for New Zealand's defeat. Tom Latham scored 1 run in two innings. Will Young collected 3 runs in two innings. If the two of them could have started well and collected around 30-40 runs, New Zealand could have fought for the win. But the South African bowlers have played great. Rabada's bowling was outstanding.

Not only openers of New Zealand Tom Latham and Will Young collapsed but the whole batting line up collapsed against SA bowling lineup. Its Conway and Colin de Grandhomme who saved NZ from humiliation in first and second innings. New Zealand have to wait for next series to break there losing series streak against SA.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on March 01, 2022, 02:18:19 PM

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New Zealand has lost a Test match in Christchurch after a long absence. In fact, I expected them to win this match too. The first match they completely ruled and won. But the South African batsman is well aware of the state of the pitch. They have shown remarkable performance in both the innings. They have collected more than 350 in both innings. New Zealand's batsmen should have played better. Because they are familiar with this pitch.

New Zealand could have lost the match early on day five, but they tried their best. In the opening session, the Kiwis lost only one wicket, and they remained competitive until the third session. Despite their efforts, the Kiwis were unable to prevent South Africa's win. South Africa won the second test match thanks to an outstanding performance by Kagiso Rabada. The second test ended in a loss for New Zealand by 198 runs, ending the series at 1-1.

If the opener does not start the innings well, it becomes difficult to win the match. And I want to blame their two openers for New Zealand's defeat. Tom Latham scored 1 run in two innings. Will Young collected 3 runs in two innings. If the two of them could have started well and collected around 30-40 runs, New Zealand could have fought for the win. But the South African bowlers have played great. Rabada's bowling was outstanding.

Yes, it was always the openers who plays an important role in the cricket matches. The initial wicket loss makes the match to be easy for the opponent. During the first innings same scenario happened, but with the batting of Grandhomme things changed and New Zealand got back into the match. The second innings didn't give hands.

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Quote from: Mr.Scott on March 01, 2022, 04:38:25 AM

Quote from: Minor Miner on March 01, 2022, 04:23:10 AM

New Zealand has lost a Test match in Christchurch after a long absence. In fact, I expected them to win this match too. The first match they completely ruled and won. But the South African batsman is well aware of the state of the pitch. They have shown remarkable performance in both the innings. They have collected more than 350 in both innings. New Zealand's batsmen should have played better. Because they are familiar with this pitch.

New Zealand could have lost the match early on day five, but they tried their best. In the opening session, the Kiwis lost only one wicket, and they remained competitive until the third session. Despite their efforts, the Kiwis were unable to prevent South Africa's win. South Africa won the second test match thanks to an outstanding performance by Kagiso Rabada. The second test ended in a loss for New Zealand by 198 runs, ending the series at 1-1.

If the opener does not start the innings well, it becomes difficult to win the match. And I want to blame their two openers for New Zealand's defeat. Tom Latham scored 1 run in two innings. Will Young collected 3 runs in two innings. If the two of them could have started well and collected around 30-40 runs, New Zealand could have fought for the win. But the South African bowlers have played great. Rabada's bowling was outstanding.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 01, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

I knew that Proteas record was good against the Kiwis but i never imagined that Protea's had such dominance when playing against the kiwis. Protea are yet to lose any series, that's some fine record and may be it's a NZ version of final frontier.

https://i.imgur.com/USWsr4d.jpg

After first test match result it was very much expected that NZ will win there first ever test series against SA but it was proved totally wrong by SA in second test. SA performance in test series against NZ and India proved that they are not like SL and WI rather they are as good as any other test playing country. That's something good for test cricket.

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Quote from: Maidak on March 01, 2022, 11:36:02 AM

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SA is trying to make inroads in WTC point table now. Kolapak system is not the problem anymore so no more excuses, hope they continue this kind of performance in future as well.

Yeah in recent time, under Williamson this kiwi team become excellent unit and they always punch above their weight. Having said that other SENA country Australia also don't take them seriously in Tests, for example CA treat them as their bunny and don't take their bilateral Trans-Tasman Trophy seriously because NZ hardly put any fight into it.

Now i'm starting to feel that Kiwis winning WTC was kinda due to flawed WTC system. They qualified into the finals despite not playing a single match away from home and Final was in England, so favorable condition for them. Result could have been very different if final was schedule in subcontinent or Caribbean.

Actually, the change of venues Could certainly be problematic for New Zealand. Now, we have to accept that they are the WTC champions. But now I think that South Africa is going to give them a good fight for their title and probably will also be able to win the championship in my opinion. But that's a long way to go, And yes currently, the Kolapak system not being an issue, will also help the South Africans to form a better squad.

No problem whatsoever with them winning the WTC title but if we look at closely without any bias then all system looks dodgy, having said that rules are same for every team. Some got better deal out of it and some missed out the opportunity so its part of the game.

I doubt if NZ is going to qualify in this cycle, they already played 3 series and won only 2 matches. The best they can do is play spoiler role for other parties.

SA should fancy there chances for the finals as they bring their A game against Australia (another tough series). Pak is in strong position as they are playing in subcontinent only. Aus also looking strong but they are facing Pak, Ind and India in subcontinent, which is not easy task. SL could also surprise us if they successfully draw the upcoming series against India. India need to play quality cricket and win most of their remaining fixture (7 out of 9) if they want to play finals again.

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The South African players all played well. But the venue here was in New Zealand where they were supposed to play better. Again, he is the Test champion team. It was supposed to be very difficult to lose them there. But the South African players have played their best. Rabada in particular has played much better. They have won their Test match for him. South Africa won the toss and elected to bat. The South African players are gifting a very good game. South Africa lost to New Zealand by many runs. South Africa won by a huge margin of 198 runs.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 01, 2022, 07:36:19 AM

SA is trying to make inroads in WTC point table now. Kolapak system is not the problem anymore so no more excuses, hope they continue this kind of performance in future as well.

Yeah in recent time, under Williamson this kiwi team become excellent unit and they always punch above their weight. Having said that other SENA country Australia also don't take them seriously in Tests, for example CA treat them as their bunny and don't take their bilateral Trans-Tasman Trophy seriously because NZ hardly put any fight into it.

Now i'm starting to feel that Kiwis winning WTC was kinda due to flawed WTC system. They qualified into the finals despite not playing a single match away from home and Final was in England, so favorable condition for them. Result could have been very different if final was schedule in subcontinent or Caribbean.

Actually, the change of venues Could certainly be problematic for New Zealand. Now, we have to accept that they are the WTC champions. But now I think that South Africa is going to give them a good fight for their title and probably will also be able to win the championship in my opinion. But that's a long way to go, And yes currently, the Kolapak system not being an issue, will also help the South Africans to form a better squad.

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Quote from: Maidak on March 01, 2022, 07:00:55 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on March 01, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

I knew that Proteas record was good against the Kiwis but i never imagined that Protea's had such dominance when playing against the kiwis. Protea are yet to lose any series, that's some fine record and may be it's a NZ version of final frontier.

Actually, I also did not know about this record. And now as I come to know about this I am in absolute awe of the South African test cricket team. Because Newzealand is no easy team to beat. They are also the test cricket champions currently and to have a record like that against the champions is just absolutely great and shows how good this team is at test cricket.

SA is trying to make inroads in WTC point table now. Kolapak system is not the problem anymore so no more excuses, hope they continue this kind of performance in future as well.

Yeah in recent time, under Williamson this kiwi team become excellent unit and they always punch above their weight. Having said that other SENA country Australia also don't take them seriously in Tests, for example CA treat them as their bunny and don't take their bilateral Trans-Tasman Trophy seriously because NZ hardly put any fight into it.

Now i'm starting to feel that Kiwis winning WTC was kinda due to flawed WTC system. They qualified into the finals despite not playing a single match away from home and Final was in England, so favorable condition for them. Result could have been very different if final was schedule in subcontinent or Caribbean.

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