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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 23, 2022, 09:32:59 PM

Australia tour happened two years ago. Why you want to live in the past? Players like Kohli, Hard dick, Rahane, Siraj and Pujara are constantly underperforming ever since then. Since Kohli was the captain, he persisted with these people and never allowed any younger players to replace them. Only after he was dropped, promising youngsters like Venkatesh Iyer and Suryakumar could find a place in the playing XI. India is a country with 1.4 billion population and cricket is the favorite sport by a distance. If they can't perform well even in cricket, then a few questions will be asked.

Muhammad Siraj is still in squad for test series against SL. Muhammad Siraj must take this opportunity seriously else he will be dropped like Pandya, Rahane and Pujara. Once you are dropped from squad and asked to play in domestic to prove your fitness and form it becomes difficult to find your place in squad.
Kohli is in squad for SL test series but not for T20 series. Kohli will be very soon a history if he stayed in his current form for few more series.

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People tend to forget the performance from India as they were dominating Australia in Australia with a second string team and then followed that up with a win over England in England and in the first Test against South Africa they won and then lost the next two matches and the series, but overall they are a much different team than they used to and i do not see any real competition if they play their best players in any condition.

Australia tour happened two years ago. Why you want to live in the past? Players like Kohli, Hard dick, Rahane, Siraj and Pujara are constantly underperforming ever since then. Since Kohli was the captain, he persisted with these people and never allowed any younger players to replace them. Only after he was dropped, promising youngsters like Venkatesh Iyer and Suryakumar could find a place in the playing XI. India is a country with 1.4 billion population and cricket is the favorite sport by a distance. If they can't perform well even in cricket, then a few questions will be asked.

Sounds weird argument considering WTC is 2 years affair.

Btw India has played 14 test match after BG Trophy and Won 7, lost 5 with 2 draw.

Why would you want to replace red ball specialists with the white ball players? If specialist players are performing bad then they should be replace with only red ball players, not the other way around. I don't remember Hardik playing any test match in last 3-4 so don't know what are you talking about by mentioning his name. BTW Siraj is young guy in test cricket, unless you only consider 19 yo as young.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on February 23, 2022, 07:02:22 PM

People tend to forget the performance from India as they were dominating Australia in Australia with a second string team and then followed that up with a win over England in England and in the first Test against South Africa they won and then lost the next two matches and the series, but overall they are a much different team than they used to and i do not see any real competition if they play their best players in any condition.

Australia tour happened two years ago. Why you want to live in the past? Players like Kohli, Hard dick, Rahane, Siraj and Pujara are constantly underperforming ever since then. Since Kohli was the captain, he persisted with these people and never allowed any younger players to replace them. Only after he was dropped, promising youngsters like Venkatesh Iyer and Suryakumar could find a place in the playing XI. India is a country with 1.4 billion population and cricket is the favorite sport by a distance. If they can't perform well even in cricket, then a few questions will be asked.

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At present, I am not very satisfied with the performance of Test cricket in India. Because they play very well at home but can't perform very well abroad.

Consideration needs to be given to Indian players performing outside the country. I think there are a lot of young talented players in India right now, they have ample opportunity to replace the national team players. So we who are fans of India, we have to expect good performance from them. Of course, now they are moving slowly in this regard which is a good thing.

It's very strange for me as you are not satisfied with Indian test cricket performance just after losing one series against South Africa even they won back to back two series in Australia, and recently they are winning a series against England.

People tend to forget the performance from India as they were dominating Australia in Australia with a second string team and then followed that up with a win over England in England and in the first Test against South Africa they won and then lost the next two matches and the series, but overall they are a much different team than they used to and i do not see any real competition if they play their best players in any condition.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on February 23, 2022, 10:53:22 AM

I think that India has been quite well in the test cricket but the problem is people are concentrating more on the problems that were on the cricket board. But in my opinion, I think that India has been doing quite well in test cricket. Probably the problem is no one expected India to lose their recent test series and they did not live up to that expectation.

Right now biggest issue is now after launching of IPL Indian cricket board is having good luxury and very good amount in their wallet so every one looking for perfection from them in all formats which is not possible because money is never been having any impact on player's performance it's completely another thing so currently too many expectations from Team India is also creating some good feud around them and after losing test series against struggling South Africa it's a lesson for them, and they are taking some good and right decisions but many not looking in this way.

Now it's good time for them to do some revolutionary changes in their domestic system and not relay all on just IPL because these changes can bring good results in long run for them.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 23, 2022, 04:23:16 AM

South Asian countries are crazy about cricket and cricketers. This situation of too much light thrown on cricketers is not only concentrated in India but its neighbouring countries too. In my opinion, Kohli should have been given another chance he did perform well in the second T20 match. If he had played in the third T20 match then it would have helped him to regain his lost form. It would have helped him in the upcoming test cricket.

In southeast Asia countries, a lot of people are living below the poverty line and they think that someone getting paid just for playing cricket is some type of luxury. So, they expect the cricketers to be the best at their job. And if a player does below par for a short period of time people expect them to be removed from the team and get someone better. But, I didn't think that something like that will happen with Kohli as he is literally one of the best players to ever play cricket.

Quote from: Juggy777 on February 23, 2022, 04:53:48 AM

I believe that Kohli will be shown the exit door if he continues to flop, and I say this because the selectors and the coach have taken the bold call to drop Rahane and Pujara, and Wriddhiman Saha has been openly told the doors for him are shut. Furthermore the importance from Kohli has shifted to Rohit Sharma, and Kohli now no longer will get special treatment, hence if he doesn’t improve his game quickly then he’ll be shown the exit door too.

I really don't believe that this is going to happen at least in the case of Virat Kohli because he can really come back strongly. He also have served the Indian team really well and should be given more time to get his form back.

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Quote from: perfect999 on February 22, 2022, 03:05:39 PM

Quote from: Tony116 on February 22, 2022, 01:39:48 PM

At present, I am not very satisfied with the performance of Test cricket in India. Because they play very well at home but can't perform very well abroad.
Consideration needs to be given to Indian players performing outside the country. I think there are a lot of young talented players in India right now, they have ample opportunity to replace the national team players. So we who are fans of India, we have to expect good performance from them. Of course, now they are moving slowly in this regard which is a good thing.

It's very strange for me as you are not satisfied with Indian test cricket performance just after losing one series against South Africa even they won back to back two series in Australia, and recently they are winning a series against England.
Right now, they are very well-prepared and having all material for future it is very good time for them because they have enough funds, and they are doing all required things which can give them very good result in long term basis, and I am feeling currently after Australia they are very organized sports body in cricket because mostly others are struggling or having many issues specially finances are the biggest issue for many countries, but they are very well-prepared and have good talented players as well with recently win U19CWC is also very good and showing how they are good in their planning for future.

I think that India has been quite well in the test cricket but the problem is people are concentrating more on the problems that were on the cricket board. But in my opinion, I think that India has been doing quite well in test cricket. Probably the problem is no one expected India to lose their recent test series and they did not live up to that expectation.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 23, 2022, 04:23:16 AM

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Players must be taken as players but in India too much light is thrown on cricketers as if they are some super human. If kohli speaks against Indian festivals then its entirely fault of India that they have given him so much importance as cricketer that he is now lecturing them on matters other then cricket.
What he say or do apart from cricket is secondary thing Prime thing is he is consistently not performing in all formats of cricket and BCCI has no objection on his current form then he will continue to play like that.

South Asian countries are crazy about cricket and cricketers. This situation of too much light thrown on cricketers is not only concentrated in India but its neighbouring countries too. In my opinion, Kohli should have been given another chance he did perform well in the second T20 match. If he had played in the third T20 match then it would have helped him to regain his lost form. It would have helped him in the upcoming test cricket.

I believe that Kohli will be shown the exit door if he continues to flop, and I say this because the selectors and the coach have taken the bold call to drop Rahane and Pujara, and Wriddhiman Saha has been openly told the doors for him are shut. Furthermore the importance from Kohli has shifted to Rohit Sharma, and Kohli now no longer will get special treatment, hence if he doesn’t improve his game quickly then he’ll be shown the exit door too.

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Players must be taken as players but in India too much light is thrown on cricketers as if they are some super human. If kohli speaks against Indian festivals then its entirely fault of India that they have given him so much importance as cricketer that he is now lecturing them on matters other then cricket.
What he say or do apart from cricket is secondary thing Prime thing is he is consistently not performing in all formats of cricket and BCCI has no objection on his current form then he will continue to play like that.

South Asian countries are crazy about cricket and cricketers. This situation of too much light thrown on cricketers is not only concentrated in India but its neighbouring countries too. In my opinion, Kohli should have been given another chance he did perform well in the second T20 match. If he had played in the third T20 match then it would have helped him to regain his lost form. It would have helped him in the upcoming test cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 22, 2022, 09:16:12 PM

If he doesn't get enough support from the team and management, then it is entirely his own fault. He antagonized a lot of people with his biased selection policies and monkey-like antics on ground. He irritated a lot of fans in India by speaking against local festivals like Diwali and at the same time he actively promoted Halloween's Day and Black Lives Matter (along with another non-performer - Hard dick Pandya). He heeds to concentrate on his batting rather than getting involved in unrelated issues and trying to build a politically correct image.

Players must be taken as players but in India too much light is thrown on cricketers as if they are some super human. If kohli speaks against Indian festivals then its entirely fault of India that they have given him so much importance as cricketer that he is now lecturing them on matters other then cricket.
What he say or do apart from cricket is secondary thing Prime thing is he is consistently not performing in all formats of cricket and BCCI has no objection on his current form then he will continue to play like that.

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Quote from: perfect999 on February 22, 2022, 12:49:08 PM

Dropping Kohli is completely nonsense because he is a legendary player, and he needs some good support from his team and management which is currently available, and it's very good and agree here they need to give him sometime, and he can take rest against Sri Lanka because they are not good enough and this rest surely will give him some physical and mental strength which is very important before mega event which is going to play in October in Australia. IPL is really significant for him, so he can't drop this, so skipping Sri Lanka is much better for him and his form.

Now after losing captaincy from all formats it's surely good for him because now he can concentrate on his batting which will help in remaining part of his career but sometime back I was feeling he can break few Sachin's record, but now it's not looking with in frame.

If he doesn't get enough support from the team and management, then it is entirely his own fault. He antagonized a lot of people with his biased selection policies and monkey-like antics on ground. He irritated a lot of fans in India by speaking against local festivals like Diwali and at the same time he actively promoted Halloween's Day and Black Lives Matter (along with another non-performer - Hard dick Pandya). He heeds to concentrate on his batting rather than getting involved in unrelated issues and trying to build a politically correct image.

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Quote from: Tony116 on February 22, 2022, 01:39:48 PM

At present, I am not very satisfied with the performance of Test cricket in India. Because they play very well at home but can't perform very well abroad.

Consideration needs to be given to Indian players performing outside the country. I think there are a lot of young talented players in India right now, they have ample opportunity to replace the national team players. So we who are fans of India, we have to expect good performance from them. Of course, now they are moving slowly in this regard which is a good thing.

It's very strange for me as you are not satisfied with Indian test cricket performance just after losing one series against South Africa even they won back to back two series in Australia, and recently they are winning a series against England.

Right now, they are very well-prepared and having all material for future it is very good time for them because they have enough funds, and they are doing all required things which can give them very good result in long term basis, and I am feeling currently after Australia they are very organized sports body in cricket because mostly others are struggling or having many issues specially finances are the biggest issue for many countries, but they are very well-prepared and have good talented players as well with recently win U19CWC is also very good and showing how they are good in their planning for future.

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India have good number of young players. It needs to be taken into consideration that Indian players struggle to perform outside the country. In recent years Virat Kohli was giving a consistent performance, but this didn't work with South Africa which is a big failure for India. If young players were given opportunity, they need to be allowed to play continuously for few matches. Later if the performance isn't good enough then the board need to think of replacement. This won't happen with the selection, which is why young players aren't given big opportunity on such tournaments.

Virat Kohli is one of the most talented players in India. His replacement has not yet been made in India. Maybe he's out of form for a while. But when he returns to form, we can see his outstanding performance again.
However, the Indian board has given him a lot of time. He has been included in the squad despite his consistently poor performances. But he could not improve himself. We don't want to lose such extraordinary talent. I hope he returns to form through rigorous practice. And give us a chance to see his unparalleled batting prowess again.

At present, I am not very satisfied with the performance of Test cricket in India. Because they play very well at home but can't perform very well abroad.

Consideration needs to be given to Indian players performing outside the country. I think there are a lot of young talented players in India right now, they have ample opportunity to replace the national team players. So we who are fans of India, we have to expect good performance from them. Of course, now they are moving slowly in this regard which is a good thing.

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Quote from: perfect999 on February 22, 2022, 12:49:08 PM

Now after losing captaincy from all formats it's surely good for him because now he can concentrate on his batting which will help in remaining part of his career but sometime back I was feeling he can break few Sachin's record, but now it's not looking with in frame.

I don't think it will give him any relief rather will give him more frustration since he has lost captaincy which tells that he lacks leadership qualities. You can see both his performance and body language both are going down since he has a row with BCCI that ends in removing from captaincy. He has not scored century for years now so there is rear chance of breaking Sachin tendulkar.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 21, 2022, 09:49:29 PM

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I dont know whether it correct or not just my own thoughts that Kohli is most inconsistent player these days. As a regular batsman he scored his last century in 2019, so its three years since he scored a ton. I strongly feel that India must try some new talent in place of kohli while he regain his form in domestic player. Kohli totally failed in SA tour and chances are he may repeat same performance against SL.

I agree with you regarding his recent form, but dropping him would be a bad idea. Still, it would be OK if the selectors want him to be rested for one series (should be a home series against a team other than the pig-4). The Indian team is full of talent and we have seen exceptional performance from players such as Venkatesh Iyer in the recent matches. I would like some changes in bowling lineup as well, as they can't be overdependent on players such as Shami and Bumrah. There is no harm in giving a match or two to some of the promising young pacers.

Dropping Kohli is completely nonsense because he is a legendary player, and he needs some good support from his team and management which is currently available, and it's very good and agree here they need to give him sometime, and he can take rest against Sri Lanka because they are not good enough and this rest surely will give him some physical and mental strength which is very important before mega event which is going to play in October in Australia. IPL is really significant for him, so he can't drop this, so skipping Sri Lanka is much better for him and his form.

Now after losing captaincy from all formats it's surely good for him because now he can concentrate on his batting which will help in remaining part of his career but sometime back I was feeling he can break few Sachin's record, but now it's not looking with in frame.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 21, 2022, 09:49:29 PM

I agree with you regarding his recent form, but dropping him would be a bad idea. Still, it would be OK if the selectors want him to be rested for one series (should be a home series against a team other than the pig-4). The Indian team is full of talent and we have seen exceptional performance from players such as Venkatesh Iyer in the recent matches. I would like some changes in bowling lineup as well, as they can't be overdependent on players such as Shami and Bumrah. There is no harm in giving a match or two to some of the promising young pacers.

I don't think dropping him is a bad idea. When Rohit Sharma was asked about dropping Kohli he took this question as joke, he only returned back the favor given by kohli to him after T20 WC. Such friendships and favoritism is bad for every team. Kohli is also not under any pressure because of his bad performance since he knew that no matter how bad he performs he cant be replaced since he has roots in indian cricket.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on February 21, 2022, 02:05:51 PM

I dont know whether it correct or not just my own thoughts that Kohli is most inconsistent player these days. As a regular batsman he scored his last century in 2019, so its three years since he scored a ton. I strongly feel that India must try some new talent in place of kohli while he regain his form in domestic player. Kohli totally failed in SA tour and chances are he may repeat same performance against SL.

I agree with you regarding his recent form, but dropping him would be a bad idea. Still, it would be OK if the selectors want him to be rested for one series (should be a home series against a team other than the pig-4). The Indian team is full of talent and we have seen exceptional performance from players such as Venkatesh Iyer in the recent matches. I would like some changes in bowling lineup as well, as they can't be overdependent on players such as Shami and Bumrah. There is no harm in giving a match or two to some of the promising young pacers.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on February 21, 2022, 06:12:03 PM

India have good number of young players. It needs to be taken into consideration that Indian players struggle to perform outside the country. In recent years Virat Kohli was giving a consistent performance, but this didn't work with South Africa which is a big failure for India. If young players were given opportunity, they need to be allowed to play continuously for few matches. Later if the performance isn't good enough then the board need to think of replacement. This won't happen with the selection, which is why young players aren't given big opportunity on such tournaments.

Virat Kohli is one of the most talented players in India. His replacement has not yet been made in India. Maybe he's out of form for a while. But when he returns to form, we can see his outstanding performance again.
However, the Indian board has given him a lot of time. He has been included in the squad despite his consistently poor performances. But he could not improve himself. We don't want to lose such extraordinary talent. I hope he returns to form through rigorous practice. And give us a chance to see his unparalleled batting prowess again.

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In last 3-4 years India did nothing in their middle order, in 99% matches Kohli-Rahane-Pujara. Only couple of match i remember when this trio didn't appear together was cause of injury issue or break. That's it. So no they didn't do any experiment with the middle order yet. Now they are moving on which is a good thing.

Don't forget India won 2 back to back series in Australia and atm leading series by 2-1 in England. They won everywhere except South Africa and NZ. Not to mention virtually undefeated at home, they lost only 2-3 series in last 20-22 years at home.

I did not see any responsible player in the series against South Africa, almost all the batsmen's performance was irregular. And Pujara was a complete flop in this series.
I am not satisfied with the performance of India. Because India has a lot of young talented players, they have ample opportunity to replace the national team players. So those of us who are fans of India must expect better performance from them.

India have good number of young players. It needs to be taken into consideration that Indian players struggle to perform outside the country. In recent years Virat Kohli was giving a consistent performance, but this didn't work with South Africa which is a big failure for India. If young players were given opportunity, they need to be allowed to play continuously for few matches. Later if the performance isn't good enough then the board need to think of replacement. This won't happen with the selection, which is why young players aren't given big opportunity on such tournaments.

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Quote from: CDC AP on February 21, 2022, 02:16:22 PM

I have to say that I totally disagree with you on this. He is still in ICC number 2 rank in ODI cricket and he is the only batsman in the world who is the top 10 rankings in all the 3 formats of cricket and you are asking for his replacement.
Yes he has not scored a century since 2019 but his average in not bad. He has scored a lot of half centuries.Yes he is not at his best in recent times but I believe there is still a lot of good cricket left in him.

For your correction he is not alone in all three formats now Babar Azam is also in all three formats having same rankings in all formats. But one thing is sure still he is one of the best batsman in cricket even having very bad time with bat for some time but still capable of changing things for his team.

Secondly after losing against Pakistan in Twenty/20 world cup there were many questions about his leadership so BCCI decided to bring down him from this spot which creates too many feuds and now still we have many things which are answerable but no one available for this all but right now we are not talking about this all we are talking about Indian test performance which is still good, and they are going to face Sri Lanka which is easy for them to win and have some positive movement under new captain Rohit Sharma.

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