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Quote from: SirLancelot on January 21, 2022, 03:21:49 PM

Quote from: blatchcorn on January 21, 2022, 11:32:32 AM

Indian cricket team is not having a good time right now. They have lost test series to underdogs i.e. SA and the credit for this goes to kohli and bcci administration. Players who are not performing must be dropped to play domestic cricket and regain form. There is no harm in giving kohli a break, since he is continuously not performing. In India it's a culture that senior players are mandatory part of team whether they perform or not.

Surely they have not good time because it's happen after SENA defeats but never mind because now Sri Lanka is coming and after them Australia is also having tour with this all many players will be back in good form at home and give some extraordinary performance because nothing is good then home.

It seems to be the same case everywhere that the senior players are almost never dropped from the team regardless of their performance.

We all know where someone becomes too desperate for tilted, they do try to play better but they often make the wrong decisions at the moment when it matters. So it's better to take a break instead of continuing with a tilted mentality. And in that process, a lot of your players will also get their chance to prove themselves.

Quote from: SirLancelot on January 21, 2022, 03:21:49 PM

Pujara and Rahane is also going to shine against Sri Lanka and with this performance they are going to have spot against Australia with someone already mention in above post these Senior Players having some good hold on things which are happening in team, so I am feeling there is no good chance for new emerging players for having spot in team but their dedication and love for sport can give them some better result in near future because every thing is going to change.

But there must be a communication gap between the board and the players and that's why these types of things happen. Maybe the board thinks that they are senior players and they will not take these things slightly if the board approach them about dropping them from the team, or maybe, the players think that if they go to the board and asks for a break, their spot might get taken and later they might have to wait for a rather long time to get in the team again.

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Quote from: teosanru on January 21, 2022, 02:15:27 PM

Gill honestly I don't like that much, he has been given too many chances now, and he is not at all consistent. Vihari and shreyas I think are better options there are a lot of other options in the pool too.

Yes, Gill failed against England at last home season but i believe he's our best bet for the future along with Vihari, Shreyas. Yes there are other options but only for openers, not many banging a door for middle order. Shreyas and Gill are not finished product tho.

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I won't mind Pandya in the team if he's fit to ball at least 10-12 a day when playing at SENA (tests) and 5-6 overs in ODI and 3-4 overs in T-20. The reason is he's our best slogger in country and fits perfectly at 6 or 7 number. I really hope that he get his fitness back.

Atm India is going with Ashwin at 7. Don't get me wrong i like Ashwin and consider him clever batter but he's no good for number 7 in any format. Lord Thakur and Ashwin good enough batter at number 8 or 9 regardless of format.

Think of middle lower-lower batting order. Pandya at 6, Jadeja at 7, Thakur at 8 and 3 pure seam option (SENA country) or Spin (Ashwin) + 2 seam for 9,10,11.

Ashwin is too inconsistent to be considered as an allrounder. I wouldn't even consider Shardul as an allrounder. They are not up to a level, where they can be considered above genuine bowlers such as Bumrah, Shami and Ishant. IMO, Jadeja is the only genuine allrounder right now, and he is extremely underrated. Looking at the stats, I can see that Jadeja has performed at a level much higher than either Shardul or Ashwin (especially in SENA conditions). But I don't know why he's not in the team.

Ashwin has 5 test centuries (against WI and ENG), not many regular batters can brag about this 5 tons stats tbh. Everything depends on the conditions, if playing in subcontinent or Caribbean conditions then Ashwin is genuine all rounder and excellent choice for even number 7 but when playing at SENA then he's good batter for number 8. Having said that i would also opt for Jadeja because of his batting-fielding and more importantly i believe in horses for courses argument when selecting test teams.

Mortals shouldn't judge Lord Thakur Tongue

. Anyways i agree that he doesn't look genuine all rounder but bhai he's performing regularly with the bat and ball.

6ish match and Already got 3 50's (1 in Aus -Gabba- and 2 in Eng), averaging 22 with the bat at number 8 + 26 wickets. What else you want from your 4th bowling option?

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 21, 2022, 08:19:45 AM

I won't mind Pandya in the team if he's fit to ball at least 10-12 a day when playing at SENA (tests) and 5-6 overs in ODI and 3-4 overs in T-20. The reason is he's our best slogger in country and fits perfectly at 6 or 7 number. I really hope that he get his fitness back.

Atm India is going with Ashwin at 7. Don't get me wrong i like Ashwin and consider him clever batter but he's no good for number 7 in any format. Lord Thakur and Ashwin good enough batter at number 8 or 9 regardless of format.

Think of middle lower-lower batting order. Pandya at 6, Jadeja at 7, Thakur at 8 and 3 pure seam option (SENA country) or Spin (Ashwin) + 2 seam for 9,10,11.

Ashwin is too inconsistent to be considered as an allrounder. I wouldn't even consider Shardul as an allrounder. They are not up to a level, where they can be considered above genuine bowlers such as Bumrah, Shami and Ishant. IMO, Jadeja is the only genuine allrounder right now, and he is extremely underrated. Looking at the stats, I can see that Jadeja has performed at a level much higher than either Shardul or Ashwin (especially in SENA conditions). But I don't know why he's not in the team.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 21, 2022, 11:32:32 AM

Indian cricket team is not having a good time right now. They have lost test series to underdogs i.e. SA and the credit for this goes to kohli and bcci administration. Players who are not performing must be dropped to play domestic cricket and regain form. There is no harm in giving kohli a break, since he is continuously not performing. In India it's a culture that senior players are mandatory part of team whether they perform or not.

Surely they have not good time because it's happen after SENA defeats but never mind because now Sri Lanka is coming and after them Australia is also having tour with this all many players will be back in good form at home and give some extraordinary performance because nothing is good then home.

Pujara and Rahane is also going to shine against Sri Lanka and with this performance they are going to have spot against Australia with someone already mention in above post these Senior Players having some good hold on things which are happening in team, so I am feeling there is no good chance for new emerging players for having spot in team but their dedication and love for sport can give them some better result in near future because every thing is going to change.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 20, 2022, 07:47:30 PM

Quote from: Lordshiva on January 20, 2022, 11:06:00 AM

Yes in test match cricket it is not that much issue specially when sir jadeja gets back in side provide depth in batting. The top order is strong and number 4 is kohli and 6 and 7 jadeja and pant arre good as well. I think the time has come that team management replace rahane and pujara and give chance to Iyer and Shubmann gill.

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Quote from: teosanru on January 20, 2022, 03:29:04 PM

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I think the problem with the middle order is inexperience, now when you talk about removing Puji Rahane, you are not left with any experienced test batsmen in the middle order who has played let's say more than even 30 test matches. In fact even overall the team wouldn't have a lot of batsmen who have played Overseas. So removing both of them together is going to be a challenge for the management too. I think removing one of them and rotating each of them for a match can probably be one way of creating a balance, Shreyas Iyer is obviously a very good option for middle-order which is altogether unexplored, he can be a very good replacement for Rahane.

This year India is playing 9 tests.

2 against SL (Home)
4 against Aus (Home)
1 remaining test against England (Away)
2 against Bangbros (Away)

Home series are considered easy series so they have 2 options. They could continue with Puji-Rahane at home and help them to get their form back or go with the young guys like Gill at number 3 and Shreyas/Vihari at number 5 so that they get more exposure and experience. (Vihari must get long rope when playing at SENA)

Gill honestly I don't like that much, he has been given too many chances now, and he is not at all consistent. Vihari and shreyas I think are better options there are a lot of other options in the pool too.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 20, 2022, 07:49:34 AM

@darewaller I believe that soon we shall see Rahul Dravid dropping non performing player’s, and currently he’s taking his time to understand all the available player’s and once he gets a good idea he’ll start shaping the new Indian team. Also Jadeja is a very important player because he constantly lifts the team by taking that important wicket, or scoring those crucial runs, and it’s important that team India find a player that can be his direct replacement.

Indian cricket team is not having a good time right now. They have lost test series to underdogs i.e. SA and the credit for this goes to kohli and bcci administration. Players who are not performing must be dropped to play domestic cricket and regain form. There is no harm in giving kohli a break, since he is continuously not performing. In India it's a culture that senior players are mandatory part of team whether they perform or not.

True that losing the test against SA was still acceptable but India losing one day international series against underdogs clearly indicates the weakness in the team combination. I hope india finds a solution for it quickly.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 20, 2022, 07:49:34 AM

@darewaller I believe that soon we shall see Rahul Dravid dropping non performing player’s, and currently he’s taking his time to understand all the available player’s and once he gets a good idea he’ll start shaping the new Indian team. Also Jadeja is a very important player because he constantly lifts the team by taking that important wicket, or scoring those crucial runs, and it’s important that team India find a player that can be his direct replacement.

Indian cricket team is not having a good time right now. They have lost test series to underdogs i.e. SA and the credit for this goes to kohli and bcci administration. Players who are not performing must be dropped to play domestic cricket and regain form. There is no harm in giving kohli a break, since he is continuously not performing. In India it's a culture that senior players are mandatory part of team whether they perform or not.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 20, 2022, 09:16:25 PM

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Well bhai Pandya last good performance for India was way back in bilateral series against Australia before 50 overs world cup. He's been out of form for like 3 years now, not to mention hehardly contribute with the ball anymore and don't remember when he took his last wickets in any format.

Even he doesn't contribute (either with the bat, or with the ball) for another 3 years, he will be in the team. When Kohli was fired, I thought that things would change. But the toxic nepotism and bias remain with the team. KL Rahul is also part of the system, so there is no real change. The way he refused to allow Venkatesh Iyer to bowl during the match once again shows the dirty tactics employed by the senior player cabal, to keep out promising youngsters. And that is the reason why I always wanted someone from outside the cabal as the captain (Shreyas Iyer for example).

I won't mind Pandya in the team if he's fit to ball at least 10-12 a day when playing at SENA (tests) and 5-6 overs in ODI and 3-4 overs in T-20. The reason is he's our best slogger in country and fits perfectly at 6 or 7 number. I really hope that he get his fitness back.

Atm India is going with Ashwin at 7. Don't get me wrong i like Ashwin and consider him clever batter but he's no good for number 7 in any format. Lord Thakur and Ashwin good enough batter at number 8 or 9 regardless of format.

Think of middle lower-lower batting order. Pandya at 6, Jadeja at 7, Thakur at 8 and 3 pure seam option (SENA country) or Spin (Ashwin) + 2 seam for 9,10,11.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 20, 2022, 09:16:25 PM

Even he doesn't contribute (either with the bat, or with the ball) for another 3 years, he will be in the team. When Kohli was fired, I thought that things would change. But the toxic nepotism and bias remain with the team. KL Rahul is also part of the system, so there is no real change. The way he refused to allow Venkatesh Iyer to bowl during the match once again shows the dirty tactics employed by the senior player cabal, to keep out promising youngsters. And that is the reason why I always wanted someone from outside the cabal as the captain (Shreyas Iyer for example).

Ahmedabad franchise is all set to appoint Pandya as captain, did this mean they also have nepotism that's why they are appointing him as captain? The point is he has proved himself as a hard hitter batsman just like shahid afridi. Shahid afridi was one of the greatest loser cricket has ever seen but still he managed to play 400 ODI's from Pakistan.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 19, 2022, 10:56:24 PM

Well bhai Pandya last good performance for India was way back in bilateral series against Australia before 50 overs world cup. He's been out of form for like 3 years now, not to mention hehardly contribute with the ball anymore and don't remember when he took his last wickets in any format.

Even he doesn't contribute (either with the bat, or with the ball) for another 3 years, he will be in the team. When Kohli was fired, I thought that things would change. But the toxic nepotism and bias remain with the team. KL Rahul is also part of the system, so there is no real change. The way he refused to allow Venkatesh Iyer to bowl during the match once again shows the dirty tactics employed by the senior player cabal, to keep out promising youngsters. And that is the reason why I always wanted someone from outside the cabal as the captain (Shreyas Iyer for example).

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Quote from: Lordshiva on January 20, 2022, 11:06:00 AM

Yes in test match cricket it is not that much issue specially when sir jadeja gets back in side provide depth in batting. The top order is strong and number 4 is kohli and 6 and 7 jadeja and pant arre good as well. I think the time has come that team management replace rahane and pujara and give chance to Iyer and Shubmann gill.

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Quote from: teosanru on January 20, 2022, 03:29:04 PM

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I think the problem with the middle order is inexperience, now when you talk about removing Puji Rahane, you are not left with any experienced test batsmen in the middle order who has played let's say more than even 30 test matches. In fact even overall the team wouldn't have a lot of batsmen who have played Overseas. So removing both of them together is going to be a challenge for the management too. I think removing one of them and rotating each of them for a match can probably be one way of creating a balance, Shreyas Iyer is obviously a very good option for middle-order which is altogether unexplored, he can be a very good replacement for Rahane.

This year India is playing 9 tests.

2 against SL (Home)
4 against Aus (Home)
1 remaining test against England (Away)
2 against Bangbros (Away)

Home series are considered easy series so they have 2 options. They could continue with Puji-Rahane at home and help them to get their form back or go with the young guys like Gill at number 3 and Shreyas/Vihari at number 5 so that they get more exposure and experience. (Vihari must get long rope when playing at SENA)

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 20, 2022, 07:49:34 AM

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@darewaller I believe that soon we shall see Rahul Dravid dropping non performing player’s, and currently he’s taking his time to understand all the available player’s and once he gets a good idea he’ll start shaping the new Indian team. Also Jadeja is a very important player because he constantly lifts the team by taking that important wicket, or scoring those crucial runs, and it’s important that team India find a player that can be his direct replacement.

In test format situation is not bad as compare to White ball cricket.

In test cricket middle order is going to change given management move away from Puji-Rahane due. When playing at home there shouldn't be much problem because India can pick any inform batter from the domestic and 90% chances are that they are going to succeed against every bowling attack. Just to give you example of batting depth in sub continent Jadeja, Ashwin, Washi, Axar all are exceptional players and comes at 7,8,9 and so on, so playing at home is okay. Mayank, Shreyas etc also got terrific number at home so middle order or all rounders problem is not big.

For India problem comes when they are touring SENA countries and that's where they need to find solid replacement in middle order.

In white ball cricket Indian team is competitive but not champions, would be great if they learn from the England in the limited overs.

I think the problem with the middle order is inexperience, now when you talk about removing Puji Rahane, you are not left with any experienced test batsmen in the middle order who has played let's say more than even 30 test matches. In fact even overall the team wouldn't have a lot of batsmen who have played Overseas. So removing both of them together is going to be a challenge for the management too. I think removing one of them and rotating each of them for a match can probably be one way of creating a balance, Shreyas Iyer is obviously a very good option for middle-order which is altogether unexplored, he can be a very good replacement for Rahane.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 20, 2022, 07:49:34 AM

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@darewaller I believe that soon we shall see Rahul Dravid dropping non performing player’s, and currently he’s taking his time to understand all the available player’s and once he gets a good idea he’ll start shaping the new Indian team. Also Jadeja is a very important player because he constantly lifts the team by taking that important wicket, or scoring those crucial runs, and it’s important that team India find a player that can be his direct replacement.

In test format situation is not bad as compare to White ball cricket.

In test cricket middle order is going to change given management move away from Puji-Rahane due. When playing at home there shouldn't be much problem because India can pick any inform batter from the domestic and 90% chances are that they are going to succeed against every bowling attack. Just to give you example of batting depth in sub continent Jadeja, Ashwin, Washi, Axar all are exceptional players and comes at 7,8,9 and so on, so playing at home is okay. Mayank, Shreyas etc also got terrific number at home so middle order or all rounders problem is not big.

For India problem comes when they are touring SENA countries and that's where they need to find solid replacement in middle order.

In white ball cricket Indian team is competitive but not champions, would be great if they learn from the England in the limited overs.

Yes in test match cricket it is not that much issue specially when sir jadeja gets back in side provide depth in batting. The top order is strong and number 4 is kohli and 6 and 7 jadeja and pant arre good as well. I think the time has come that team management replace rahane and pujara and give chance to Iyer and Shubmann gill.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 20, 2022, 07:49:34 AM

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@darewaller I believe that soon we shall see Rahul Dravid dropping non performing player’s, and currently he’s taking his time to understand all the available player’s and once he gets a good idea he’ll start shaping the new Indian team. Also Jadeja is a very important player because he constantly lifts the team by taking that important wicket, or scoring those crucial runs, and it’s important that team India find a player that can be his direct replacement.

In test format situation is not bad as compare to White ball cricket.

In test cricket middle order is going to change given management move away from Puji-Rahane due. When playing at home there shouldn't be much problem because India can pick any inform batter from the domestic and 90% chances are that they are going to succeed against every bowling attack. Just to give you example of batting depth in sub continent Jadeja, Ashwin, Washi, Axar all are exceptional players and comes at 7,8,9 and so on, so playing at home is okay. Mayank, Shreyas etc also got terrific number at home so middle order or all rounders problem is not big.

For India problem comes when they are touring SENA countries and that's where they need to find solid replacement in middle order.

In white ball cricket Indian team is competitive but not champions, would be great if they learn from the England in the limited overs.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2022, 09:48:33 PM

We have promising pace bowling allrounders like Venkatesh Iyer waiting for a chance for many years. At this point, I don't believe that it is fair to block one slot in the playing XI for a player who has been out of touch for more than one year.

India is always hesitating to have reserve all rounder players rather than locking a slot for one player. I mean for for all rounder position across all formats, India must try multiple players rather than struggling with only one player and their performances. I guess they may promote Shardul Thakur like that, instead of having him as specialist bowler.

I guess Ravindra Jadeja must be an underrated all rounder for India in all three formats and his absence heavily bothering them; I guess it would be really touch time for India under new couch and new skipper; let us wait and watch how they cope of under new leader and coach.

@darewaller I believe that soon we shall see Rahul Dravid dropping non performing player’s, and currently he’s taking his time to understand all the available player’s and once he gets a good idea he’ll start shaping the new Indian team. Also Jadeja is a very important player because he constantly lifts the team by taking that important wicket, or scoring those crucial runs, and it’s important that team India find a player that can be his direct replacement.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2022, 09:48:33 PM

We have promising pace bowling allrounders like Venkatesh Iyer waiting for a chance for many years. At this point, I don't believe that it is fair to block one slot in the playing XI for a player who has been out of touch for more than one year.

India is always hesitating to have reserve all rounder players rather than locking a slot for one player. I mean for for all rounder position across all formats, India must try multiple players rather than struggling with only one player and their performances. I guess they may promote Shardul Thakur like that, instead of having him as specialist bowler.

I guess Ravindra Jadeja must be an underrated all rounder for India in all three formats and his absence heavily bothering them; I guess it would be really touch time for India under new couch and new skipper; let us wait and watch how they cope of under new leader and coach.

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^^ This article might clear things a bit on KL and Pandaya, everything for now seems like a marketing
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/rahuls-possible-coronation-a-sign-of-ipl-logic-infiltrating-indian-cricket-7726961/

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Only because of him useless players such as Hardick Pandya could find a place in the playing XI.

Hardik Pandya : Useless player? I disagree. His form went down the drain recently, but he is easily one of the best all-rounders that India has ever produced in the ODI and T-20 formats.

Well bhai Pandya last good performance for India was way back in bilateral series against Australia before 50 overs world cup. He's been out of form for like 3 years now, not to mention hehardly contribute with the ball anymore and don't remember when he took his last wickets in any format.

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 19, 2022, 04:24:49 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2022, 09:40:35 PM

Only because of him useless players such as Hardick Pandya could find a place in the playing XI.

Hardik Pandya : Useless player? I disagree. His form went down the drain recently, but he is easily one of the best all-rounders that India has ever produced in the ODI and T-20 formats.

If his form was not good, then why he was not told to concentrate on a few domestic matches and regain his form and fitness? We have promising pace bowling allrounders like Venkatesh Iyer waiting for a chance for many years. At this point, I don't believe that it is fair to block one slot in the playing XI for a player who has been out of touch for more than one year. And the biggest joke is that the new Ahmedabad franchise in the IPL picked this guy for a massive payment of ₹15 crore ($2 million).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2022, 09:40:35 PM

Only because of him useless players such as Hardick Pandya could find a place in the playing XI.

Hardik Pandya : Useless player? I disagree. His form went down the drain recently, but he is easily one of the best all-rounders that India has ever produced in the ODI and T-20 formats.

I do agree that Pandya was once a best all rounder in Indian cricket team. He is still a strong pick in IPL despite his bad form. There are rumours that he is selected in Indian team only because of his friendship with kohli. He must take some break and try to regain his form.

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Quote from: beerlover on January 18, 2022, 10:06:05 AM

I am sorry, I am not aware of any significant change of rules regarding this; could you please link if me to any references if possible; thanks for your time.

I was just talking about the general test rules related to draws which should have been changed a long-time back by learning from federations like FIFA etc in this particular aspect.

Quote from: eaLiTy on January 18, 2022, 05:34:27 PM

I am curious to see how KL Rahul leads the team with all the senior members in the team. Grin

I am not excited at all since Rahul has proven the fact that he is an amazing batsman, but a mediocre captain. Someone like Ashwin would have been a better option.

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2022, 09:40:35 PM

Only because of him useless players such as Hardick Pandya could find a place in the playing XI.

Hardik Pandya : Useless player? I disagree. His form went down the drain recently, but he is easily one of the best all-rounders that India has ever produced in the ODI and T-20 formats.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2022, 09:40:35 PM

The BCCI under Sourav Ganguly has given a clear message to Virat Kohli and the other seniors in the team. They have been told that no individual is above the team. If they doesn't let go their ego, then these players will be kicked out of the team. If Kohli can be cut down to size, then none of the other players are untouchable. Neutral cricket fans have been fed up with the bias and arrogance from Kohli for the past several years. Only because of him useless players such as Hardick Pandya could find a place in the playing XI.

That's a very good move from bcci chief, no player is indispensable. Due to bcci decision on controlling kohli, India may go down in performance for time being but its good in the long run for Indian cricket. Other boards must also learn this from bcci. Hardick was once backbone of Indian tial and was known for hard hitting. Today he is called a useless, what an irony.

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