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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 12, 2021, 10:00:17 PM

Quote from: ene1980 on September 12, 2021, 02:27:31 PM

IPL might not be affected but the players will be missing out on experiencing the track well before the World Cup as i assume the IPL and World Cup matches will be played in the same grounds and the players who are in the IPL will be having a through knowledge of the pitch and the atmosphere .

That will be the case obviously, because the venues for the IPL and the T20 World Cup are the same. Those who take part in the IPL doesn't need to further get acclimatized to the bio-bubble and climate conditions for the World Cup. And this is why I believe that some of the players pulling out of the IPL is making a wrong choice. And for the argument that consecutive tournaments result in fatigue, I need to remember that these guys are professionals and there are professions where employees need to remain off-shore for 6 months or more. Cricket players are not anything special. They should behave like the other guys.

The selected XI players are not normal guys, they are the specials ones who are selected to represent their countries.

Every profession have different criteria. Someday some one will say that a person on 9-5 job works whole year without break and these cricketers get tired after weeks of play Cheesy

Again the sports (cricket) require fitness and it is altogether different from other professions.

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Quote from: ene1980 on September 12, 2021, 02:27:31 PM

IPL might not be affected but the players will be missing out on experiencing the track well before the World Cup as i assume the IPL and World Cup matches will be played in the same grounds and the players who are in the IPL will be having a through knowledge of the pitch and the atmosphere .

That will be the case obviously, because the venues for the IPL and the T20 World Cup are the same. Those who take part in the IPL doesn't need to further get acclimatized to the bio-bubble and climate conditions for the World Cup. And this is why I believe that some of the players pulling out of the IPL is making a wrong choice. And for the argument that consecutive tournaments result in fatigue, I need to remember that these guys are professionals and there are professions where employees need to remain off-shore for 6 months or more. Cricket players are not anything special. They should behave like the other guys.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 12, 2021, 04:00:37 PM

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I do believe that if the IPL schedule is next month mid then they might have tried to conduct the match at a later time when everything is clear but in a tight schedule the players might not be willing to extend any further.

It makes sense, the players are there in England for months and now they are traveling for the IPL and the final is conducted on 15th October and the T20 World Cup will start on 17th October and it is yet another month full of cricket matches and the final will takes place on November 14th and it is really taxing for the players as they are playing one tournament after another without much rest and more over they need to be in the bubble for months.

No wonder some of the players are pulling out of the IPL because they are playing the IPL and the T20 World Cup back to back and i wont be surprised if some of the players that are playing now gets injured during the time World Cup starts.

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Quote from: teosanru on September 12, 2021, 02:52:37 PM

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Obviously, in monetary terms, it might look bad for ECB, but their reputation is at stake this time, today Michael Vaughan made a tweet that really had a point he said:

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IPL teams chartering planes .. 6 days quarantining required in the UAE .. 7 days till the tournament starts !!!! Don’t tell me the Test was cancelled for any other reason but the IPL ..

Technically if you see India did cancel the last match for IPL no matter what reason does BCCI give, this is obviously a bit disgraceful as such things haven't really been part of Cricket, boards have always kept their commitments no matter what, also Covid Cases in UK haven't really gone that high if you compare it with the cases during the rest of the series, If the Bio-Bubble is breached even then it's obvious BCCI decided to leave the test to ensure players stay fit for IPL, and even if it wasn't then also the main intention of BCCI was to ensure these players get their quarantine to avoid any problems. Now if any board does such a thing to you, you obviously won't run behind a paycheck from them unless obviously, you are too poor on finances which ECB definitely isn't.

That is the accusation some of the former England players are showering at this time because India won the series and they can console that they could have won the 5th Test and leveled the series. It is a fact that the schedules are tightly packed and the players are getting worn out due to their hectic schedule and they do not want to extend the series and then fly directly to UAE and start playing the IPL.

I do believe that if the IPL schedule is next month mid then they might have tried to conduct the match at a later time when everything is clear but in a tight schedule the players might not be willing to extend any further.

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David Malan, Johny Bairstow and Chris Woakes have decided they won't be going for IPL 2021 2nd half to Dubai, they have cited reasons that they want to spend some time with family before world cup and Ashes but after all we all know that this is a consequence of India cancelling the 5th test against England, I thought ECB Would directly make a stern decision regarding this but they rather took the secret way by forcing their players to Don't go for IPL to avenge what Indian did. Now I personally think that IPL won't be much affected by this rather it would be English players who would lose a lot on money and I am not sure their board will reimburse them for this.

I am not sure how this is going to be some sort of revenge. The England players are going to be replaced by other overseas players, and the IPL will go ahead as planned. The players themselves are going to lose fat paychecks. And the ECB as well, since they are supposed to receive 10% royalty payment for each player from the IPL board. And in the long run also, the franchises may prefer players from other countries, if the ECB has a history of making their national players unavailable for such franchise leagues.

Obviously, in monetary terms, it might look bad for ECB, but their reputation is at stake this time, today Michael Vaughan made a tweet that really had a point he said:

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IPL teams chartering planes .. 6 days quarantining required in the UAE .. 7 days till the tournament starts !!!! Don’t tell me the Test was cancelled for any other reason but the IPL ..

Technically if you see India did cancel the last match for IPL no matter what reason does BCCI give, this is obviously a bit disgraceful as such things haven't really been part of Cricket, boards have always kept their commitments no matter what, also Covid Cases in UK haven't really gone that high if you compare it with the cases during the rest of the series, If the Bio-Bubble is breached even then it's obvious BCCI decided to leave the test to ensure players stay fit for IPL, and even if it wasn't then also the main intention of BCCI was to ensure these players get their quarantine to avoid any problems. Now if any board does such a thing to you, you obviously won't run behind a paycheck from them unless obviously, you are too poor on finances which ECB definitely isn't.

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Quote from: Haunebu on September 12, 2021, 11:09:11 AM

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Respect? Lol. Bairstow's performance was horrible in the test series while Malan played well and Woakes wasn't even a part of it. This is what matters more than their decision to ignore IPL(Personal reasons or Revenge).

Jonny Bairstow was not in his form during the Test series but he can change that in the shorter format as he is always a dangerous player and can clear the ropes easily. Playing Test and T20 are entirely different, may be he needs to work on his defense and even there he got starts but like many others in the team he could not capitalize on the starts he got.

Quote from: Haunebu on September 12, 2021, 11:09:11 AM

Also, IPL won't be affected at all by their omissions since there are many great replacements available. For example, Bairstow might not be included in SRH's playing eleven due to his bad form in recent times.

IPL might not be affected but the players will be missing out on experiencing the track well before the World Cup as i assume the IPL and World Cup matches will be played in the same grounds and the players who are in the IPL will be having a through knowledge of the pitch and the atmosphere .

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Quote from: Haunebu on September 12, 2021, 01:02:31 PM

I agree. RR is heavily dependent on the overseas players that you mentioned which is why their performance will probably be horrible in the 2nd leg.

I will not write them off. Sanju Samson may be volatile, but on his day he can single-handedly destroy the opposition. And then they have Yashasvi Jaiswal and Shivam Dube. In the absence of Stokes, the star overseas player is going to be Chris Morris, with support from David Miller, Evin Lewis, Liam Livingstone and Glenn Phillips. Then for bowling they have promising youngsters like Lord Tewatia and Chetan Sakariya, along with Tabraiz Shamsi. Who knows? They can be the surprise package this season.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 12, 2021, 11:24:13 AM

SRH is heavily dependent on overseas players and in case any of the other overseas batsmen are not available (Warner or Williamson), then Bairstow's absence will be felt more severely.

I disagree. Bairstow's form has been horrible across all formats for sometime now and SRH has several overseas players to replace him(Rutherford, Holder etc). Also, Warner is available since he was seen practicing in the nets.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 12, 2021, 11:24:13 AM

The same goes for Rajasthan as well. It is not easy to replace the trio of Ben Stokes/Jofra Archer/Jos Buttler, given the volatile form of Sanju Samson. This is where they are going to miss Steve Smith badly. He could have added some stability to the middle order, especially in case Samson or Miller gets out early in the innings.

I agree. RR is heavily dependent on the overseas players that you mentioned which is why their performance will probably be horrible in the 2nd leg.

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Quote from: Haunebu on September 12, 2021, 11:09:11 AM

Also, IPL won't be affected at all by their omissions since there are many great replacements available. For example, Bairstow might not be included in SRH's playing eleven due to his bad form in recent times.

SRH is heavily dependent on overseas players and in case any of the other overseas batsmen are not available (Warner or Williamson), then Bairstow's absence will be felt more severely. The same goes for Rajasthan as well. It is not easy to replace the trio of Ben Stokes/Jofra Archer/Jos Buttler, given the volatile form of Sanju Samson. This is where they are going to miss Steve Smith badly. He could have added some stability to the middle order, especially in case Samson or Miller gets out early in the innings.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 12, 2021, 08:26:33 AM

Well, sometimes the pay check does not matter and players prefer to do things which are better for their country. David Malan, Johny Bairstow and Chris Woakes may lose a lot of money but they will gain a lot of respect in thier public.

By the way, the IPL will defiantly be affected if players like Bairstow are not part of it.

Respect? Lol. Bairstow's performance was horrible in the test series while Malan played well and Woakes wasn't even a part of it. This is what matters more than their decision to ignore IPL(Personal reasons or Revenge).

Also, IPL won't be affected at all by their omissions since there are many great replacements available. For example, Bairstow might not be included in SRH's playing eleven due to his bad form in recent times.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 12, 2021, 09:01:28 AM

The players also need to understand this, even if it means staying away from the family for a few months.

The reason could be revenge or personal, but the fact is that it's their choice at the end of the day.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on September 12, 2021, 08:41:35 AM

This is not revenge, the players are tired of living in a bubble without seeing their wife and kids and there is a limit for everything and if the players are travelling for the IPL then they need to spend months to be back to normal and for those months they will be spending their time in a bubble and it will be taxing for themselves and i totally understand players making a choice of staying home and not go after the huge pack checks.

IPL + World Cup will be over in two months and after that they can remain with their family for as long as they want. These are challenging times and they need to get adjusted to the ground realities. Here these people are being presented with a choice. There are a lot of people who have lost their jobs. They never had such a choice available. Cricketers should behave like normal people and not like VIPs. Tournaments like IPL are needed for the TV channels and the national boards, in order to cover the losses they suffered during the last 18 months. The players also need to understand this, even if it means staying away from the family for a few months.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 12, 2021, 07:11:14 AM

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I am not sure how this is going to be some sort of revenge. The England players are going to be replaced by other overseas players, and the IPL will go ahead as planned. The players themselves are going to lose fat paychecks. And the ECB as well, since they are supposed to receive 10% royalty payment for each player from the IPL board. And in the long run also, the franchises may prefer players from other countries, if the ECB has a history of making their national players unavailable for such franchise leagues.

This is not revenge, the players are tired of living in a bubble without seeing their wife and kids and there is a limit for everything and if the players are travelling for the IPL then they need to spend months to be back to normal and for those months they will be spending their time in a bubble and it will be taxing for themselves and i totally understand players making a choice of staying home and not go after the huge pack checks.

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Quote from: teosanru on September 12, 2021, 01:58:37 AM

David Malan, Johny Bairstow and Chris Woakes have decided they won't be going for IPL 2021 2nd half to Dubai, they have cited reasons that they want to spend some time with family before world cup and Ashes but after all we all know that this is a consequence of India cancelling the 5th test against England, I thought ECB Would directly make a stern decision regarding this but they rather took the secret way by forcing their players to Don't go for IPL to avenge what Indian did. Now I personally think that IPL won't be much affected by this rather it would be English players who would lose a lot on money and I am not sure their board will reimburse them for this.

I am not sure how this is going to be some sort of revenge. The England players are going to be replaced by other overseas players, and the IPL will go ahead as planned. The players themselves are going to lose fat paychecks. And the ECB as well, since they are supposed to receive 10% royalty payment for each player from the IPL board. And in the long run also, the franchises may prefer players from other countries, if the ECB has a history of making their national players unavailable for such franchise leagues.

Well, sometimes the pay check does not matter and players prefer to do things which are better for their country. David Malan, Johny Bairstow and Chris Woakes may lose a lot of money but they will gain a lot of respect in thier public.

By the way, the IPL will defiantly be affected if players like Bairstow are not part of it.

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Quote from: teosanru on September 12, 2021, 01:58:37 AM

David Malan, Johny Bairstow and Chris Woakes have decided they won't be going for IPL 2021 2nd half to Dubai, they have cited reasons that they want to spend some time with family before world cup and Ashes but after all we all know that this is a consequence of India cancelling the 5th test against England, I thought ECB Would directly make a stern decision regarding this but they rather took the secret way by forcing their players to Don't go for IPL to avenge what Indian did. Now I personally think that IPL won't be much affected by this rather it would be English players who would lose a lot on money and I am not sure their board will reimburse them for this.

I am not sure how this is going to be some sort of revenge. The England players are going to be replaced by other overseas players, and the IPL will go ahead as planned. The players themselves are going to lose fat paychecks. And the ECB as well, since they are supposed to receive 10% royalty payment for each player from the IPL board. And in the long run also, the franchises may prefer players from other countries, if the ECB has a history of making their national players unavailable for such franchise leagues.

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Quote from: teosanru on September 12, 2021, 01:58:37 AM

David Malan, Johny Bairstow and Chris Woakes have decided they won't be going for IPL 2021 2nd half to Dubai, they have cited reasons that they want to spend some time with family before world cup and Ashes but after all we all know that this is a consequence of India cancelling the 5th test against England, I thought ECB Would directly make a stern decision regarding this but they rather took the secret way by forcing their players to Don't go for IPL to avenge what Indian did. Now I personally think that IPL won't be much affected by this rather it would be English players who would lose a lot on money and I am not sure their board will reimburse them for this.

If i'm not wrong then Malan is about to feature in County cricket this week so his decision of pulling out from the IPL influenced by the Ashes. There might be some angle of ECB forcing him but i won't take this conspiracy theory seriously because ECB and BCCI are in good terms if not excellent.

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David Malan, Johny Bairstow and Chris Woakes have decided they won't be going for IPL 2021 2nd half to Dubai, they have cited reasons that they want to spend some time with family before world cup and Ashes but after all we all know that this is a consequence of India cancelling the 5th test against England, I thought ECB Would directly make a stern decision regarding this but they rather took the secret way by forcing their players to Don't go for IPL to avenge what Indian did. Now I personally think that IPL won't be much affected by this rather it would be English players who would lose a lot on money and I am not sure their board will reimburse them for this.

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Quote from: ene1980 on September 11, 2021, 04:19:36 PM

We might be living in a bubble for the next 5 years but the only India is having the problem of players or the non player staff getting infected. The IPL was stopped due to players getting infected and now the Indian coaching staff got infected. I am not sure how they are getting infected when they are in the bubble, the ICC needs to investigate those as it is happening frequently.

This has happened on multiple occasions. Indian players (even the recent additions) behave like they are gods and the laws are not applicable for them. It is perfectly OK if the series is called off and the board suffers huge financial losses. But no one is held responsible. Now this has happened three times - first during the IPL, then during the tour of Sri Lanka and finally during the tour of England. The sponsors and TV channels have suffered huge losses. But in all three occasions, those who broke the bubble protocol were not even given a warning. And I am sure that it will repeat during the second leg of IPL as well.

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There is no doubt that we will be living like this for the next 5 years or possibly more and what clear cut rule does they make during these circumstances.

We might be living in a bubble for the next 5 years but the only India is having the problem of players or the non player staff getting infected. The IPL was stopped due to players getting infected and now the Indian coaching staff got infected. I am not sure how they are getting infected when they are in the bubble, the ICC needs to investigate those as it is happening frequently.

Lack of discipline is the reason most Indian players are getting infected. I am sure this time BCCI will in place strict rules and guidelines for players and staff who will be present for the IPL tournament. They should also put in place strict punishment not only for the players but the franchise too if they want the IPL to end smoothly this time.

Most members of the Indian cricket team are occasionally infected with coronavirus at regular intervals due to non-compliance with the rules of Kovid 19. He had earlier lost a few matches against Sri Lanka due to Kovid 19. So they should follow the rules and regulations.

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Quote from: ene1980 on September 11, 2021, 04:19:36 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on September 11, 2021, 12:12:00 PM

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There is no doubt that we will be living like this for the next 5 years or possibly more and what clear cut rule does they make during these circumstances.

We might be living in a bubble for the next 5 years but the only India is having the problem of players or the non player staff getting infected. The IPL was stopped due to players getting infected and now the Indian coaching staff got infected. I am not sure how they are getting infected when they are in the bubble, the ICC needs to investigate those as it is happening frequently.

Lack of discipline is the reason most Indian players are getting infected. I am sure this time BCCI will in place strict rules and guidelines for players and staff who will be present for the IPL tournament. They should also put in place strict punishment not only for the players but the franchise too if they want the IPL to end smoothly this time.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 11, 2021, 12:12:00 PM

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There is no doubt that we will be living like this for the next 5 years or possibly more and what clear cut rule does they make during these circumstances.

We might be living in a bubble for the next 5 years but the only India is having the problem of players or the non player staff getting infected. The IPL was stopped due to players getting infected and now the Indian coaching staff got infected. I am not sure how they are getting infected when they are in the bubble, the ICC needs to investigate those as it is happening frequently.

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