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Quote from: Lordshiva on August 19, 2021, 12:39:30 AM

India is according to me the best touring team right now in the world. They have beaten australia in australia and here in england as well they are looking the much better team than england. I think there is more victories to come for india in this series.

I would still rate New Zealand one level above India. And the Indian batsmen have no clue about facing the Kiwi pacers. New Zealand currently has the best pace bowling attack for any of the test teams right now. And their batting is also quite strong, with Kane Williamson and Ross Taylor adding the experience and Devon Conway/Tom Latham complementing them. And I am sure that England would be a very different team, once Ben Stokes and Jofra Archer recover from the injuries. They were without two of their best players.

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What a test match and what a turn of events. Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah deserve credit for the first innings and Mohammed Siraj for the stormy bowling attack. For me, Brisbane tests are unforgettable, but the victory of Lord's test match, which is hard to express, the test match win will be unforgettable.

Lord's is considered as the home of cricket (similar to what Wembley is for football), and a victory there, under any circumstances is exceptional. The Indian team, has on a consistent basis shown that they can win in SENA conditions. Also, this time they had to deal with restrictions imposed as a result of the COVID pandemic. It was true that England was missing some of their big names as a result of injury, but I really doubt whether the outcome would have been any different if these players were available.

I can see that there is pure joy at the home of cricket. I admire the Indian Cricket team and their skipper for doing a miracle. Let's hope India keeps the momentum going. England will not succeed as long as they only rely on Joe Root and expect Anderson to do the damage every time. England missed out on big names, yes, but what about teamwork? England must try something at the top of the order.

India is according to me the best touring team right now in the world. They have beaten australia in australia and here in england as well they are looking the much better team than england. I think there is more victories to come for india in this series.

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What a test match and what a turn of events. Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah deserve credit for the first innings and Mohammed Siraj for the stormy bowling attack. For me, Brisbane tests are unforgettable, but the victory of Lord's test match, which is hard to express, the test match win will be unforgettable.

Lord's is considered as the home of cricket (similar to what Wembley is for football), and a victory there, under any circumstances is exceptional. The Indian team, has on a consistent basis shown that they can win in SENA conditions. Also, this time they had to deal with restrictions imposed as a result of the COVID pandemic. It was true that England was missing some of their big names as a result of injury, but I really doubt whether the outcome would have been any different if these players were available.

I can see that there is pure joy at the home of cricket. I admire the Indian Cricket team and their skipper for doing a miracle. Let's hope India keeps the momentum going. England will not succeed as long as they only rely on Joe Root and expect Anderson to do the damage every time. England missed out on big names, yes, but what about teamwork? England must try something at the top of the order.

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I agree with you that England's batsmen are not in good form. But I don't think the Indian batsmen are playing very well. You are right, India would not have won if Shami and Bumrah had not made the necessary partnership. Batsmen are having a lot of trouble to run regularly on this pitch. The previous match was competitive. The next match will also be competitive too. It is difficult to say which team will win.

Is that the England batsman struggling to get form or the Indian bowlers are bowling really well. If it was a series against any other country i am assuming that they would perform well but India has a world class bowling line up and you cannot point out a weak bowler in the Indian team to take advantage.
I am not expecting any surprises, with the way India is playing if the Indian batsman could put a decent score on the board the bowlers will do the rest of the job.

India's players are in a better position than England's. The Indian bowlers are bowling well but the England bowlers are not performing well. If they had done their duty properly, Shami and Bumrah would not have been able to collect so many runs in the 9th wicket partnership. If England want to improve their performance in the next match, they need to change their bowling lineup a bit.

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Quote from: onecall123 on August 18, 2021, 11:52:17 AM

What a test match and what a turn of events. Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah deserve credit for the first innings and Mohammed Siraj for the stormy bowling attack. For me, Brisbane tests are unforgettable, but the victory of Lord's test match, which is hard to express, the test match win will be unforgettable.

Lord's is considered as the home of cricket (similar to what Wembley is for football), and a victory there, under any circumstances is exceptional. The Indian team, has on a consistent basis shown that they can win in SENA conditions. Also, this time they had to deal with restrictions imposed as a result of the COVID pandemic. It was true that England was missing some of their big names as a result of injury, but I really doubt whether the outcome would have been any different if these players were available.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 18, 2021, 11:13:41 AM

Bumrah and Shami piled on the pressure while Siraj kept chipping away their wickets regularly. Also, England got lucky in the 1st test thanks to rain interference since 209 isn't a big target. My blind assumption!

Even i think so about the first Test match, if they had play in the final day i am sure India will look for the win and would have got those runs and in the second match, till the 4th day the match was in the balance and the most probable result was a draw and the chances of England winning the match was evident with the odds provided by bookies.

The Indian 4 pace attack is a pleasure to watch and the bowlers are back in rhythm unlike the World Test Championship where i felt they were struggling to get the rhythm as they are playing after a long gap.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 18, 2021, 10:37:49 AM

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I agree with you that England's batsmen are not in good form. But I don't think the Indian batsmen are playing very well. You are right, India would not have won if Shami and Bumrah had not made the necessary partnership. Batsmen are having a lot of trouble to run regularly on this pitch. The previous match was competitive. The next match will also be competitive too. It is difficult to say which team will win.

Is that the England batsman struggling to get form or the Indian bowlers are bowling really well. If it was a series against any other country i am assuming that they would perform well but India has a world class bowling line up and you cannot point out a weak bowler in the Indian team to take advantage.
I am not expecting any surprises, with the way India is playing if the Indian batsman could put a decent score on the board the bowlers will do the rest of the job.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 18, 2021, 11:30:23 AM

England was on the defensive because they were chasing such a huge total. You really want to believe that 182 is such a big total? And especially when they are having 100 plus overs? Once India took the target to 350 plus, there was only two possible outcomes - either a win for India, or draw. It gave the Indian bowlers the freedom to bowl aggressively. On the other hand, if the target was less than 200, then they would be bowling defensively. The England batsmen would be aiming for a win rather than a draw.

Most of the English batsmen are in bad form in recent times which is why a lower target wouldn't have a big difference in my opinion. 182 is a big total for a team full of batsmen who are currently struggling.

Did you observe how they lost 2 wickets for just a run or something? They are over-dependent on Root currently which is something they need to fix asap or India could whitewash them.

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And I still believe that without the 90 run partnership between Shami and Bumrah, India would have lost the second match.

When Ishant got out, India were at 209/8 (lead of 182 runs). If the target was less than 200, then England would have chased it with relative ease.

Blind assumptions. How are you so sure that England would have chased down 182? The Indian bowlers were on fire and you forgot about the fact that some catches were dropped.

Bumrah and Shami piled on the pressure while Siraj kept chipping away their wickets regularly. Also, England got lucky in the 1st test thanks to rain interference since 209 isn't a big target. My blind assumption!

What a test match and what a turn of events. Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah deserve credit for the first innings and Mohammed Siraj for the stormy bowling attack. For me, Brisbane tests are unforgettable, but the victory of Lord's test match, which is hard to express, the test match win will be unforgettable.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 18, 2021, 11:13:41 AM

Blind assumptions. How are you so sure that England would have chased down 182? The Indian bowlers were on fire and you forgot about the fact that some catches were dropped.

Bumrah and Shami piled on the pressure while Siraj kept chipping away their wickets regularly. Also, England got lucky in the 1st test thanks to rain interference since 209 isn't a big target. My blind assumption!

England was on the defensive because they were chasing such a huge total. You really want to believe that 182 is such a big total? And especially when they are having 100 plus overs? Once India took the target to 350 plus, there was only two possible outcomes - either a win for India, or draw. It gave the Indian bowlers the freedom to bowl aggressively. On the other hand, if the target was less than 200, then they would be bowling defensively. The England batsmen would be aiming for a win rather than a draw.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 18, 2021, 05:57:01 AM

The series is not yet over and three test matches remain. If Indians get overconfident, then they will end up losing the series. The weather seems to be improved in England and it won't be impossible for the hosts to win the series by a margin of 2-1 or 3-1. And trust me, this has happened to the Indians manytimes before. And apart from Rahul and Rohit, none of the Indian batsmen are in good form. The victory in the second match temporarily took the focus away from the poor form of Pujara, Rahane, Kohli and Pant.

2 weeks so plenty of time for both teams to think about next game and i doubt Indian team will be over confident, Indian fans? Yes!! And i agree there is always possibility of India losing series but its also true for England, in hypothetical scenario both teams has 50-50%. England has a home advantage but Indians are playing as a team and everyone is contributing for the team's cause, this is missing from the English team and Jimmy-Root are only 2 players who dragging their team, Root is in his career's best form atm.

England's squad for the 3rd test
IN - Dawid Malan (Batter), Saqib Mahmood (Seam bowler)
OUT - Zak Crawley, Dom Sibley, Jack Leach

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 18, 2021, 08:46:36 AM

And I still believe that without the 90 run partnership between Shami and Bumrah, India would have lost the second match.

When Ishant got out, India were at 209/8 (lead of 182 runs). If the target was less than 200, then England would have chased it with relative ease.

Blind assumptions. How are you so sure that England would have chased down 182? The Indian bowlers were on fire and you forgot about the fact that some catches were dropped.

Bumrah and Shami piled on the pressure while Siraj kept chipping away their wickets regularly. Also, England got lucky in the 1st test thanks to rain interference since 209 isn't a big target. My blind assumption!

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You are right. If the Indian players are more confident, they will lose the series. It is not easy to win against them in England. In the previous match, England's batting collapsed in a very bad way so India won. There is no reason to think that something like that will happen in the next match too. The England management must have realized their mistakes and will take appropriate action to correct them.

I don't have much hope for the England batsmen. Apart from Joe Root, none of them are able to handle the Indian bowlers. However, their bowlers are in good form and I am sure that they have learnt their lesson during the second test. Things are not going to get easy for the Indian batsmen, especially given the fact that players like Pujara and Rahane have been in very poor form for a long time now. And I still believe that without the 90 run partnership between Shami and Bumrah, India would have lost the second match.

When Ishant got out, India were at 209/8 (lead of 182 runs). If the target was less than 200, then England would have chased it with relative ease.

I agree with you that England's batsmen are not in good form. But I don't think the Indian batsmen are playing very well. You are right, India would not have won if Shami and Bumrah had not made the necessary partnership. Batsmen are having a lot of trouble to run regularly on this pitch. The previous match was competitive. The next match will also be competitive too. It is difficult to say which team will win.

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Quote from: kro55 on August 18, 2021, 08:27:58 AM

You are right. If the Indian players are more confident, they will lose the series. It is not easy to win against them in England. In the previous match, England's batting collapsed in a very bad way so India won. There is no reason to think that something like that will happen in the next match too. The England management must have realized their mistakes and will take appropriate action to correct them.

I don't have much hope for the England batsmen. Apart from Joe Root, none of them are able to handle the Indian bowlers. However, their bowlers are in good form and I am sure that they have learnt their lesson during the second test. Things are not going to get easy for the Indian batsmen, especially given the fact that players like Pujara and Rahane have been in very poor form for a long time now. And I still believe that without the 90 run partnership between Shami and Bumrah, India would have lost the second match.

When Ishant got out, India were at 209/8 (lead of 182 runs). If the target was less than 200, then England would have chased it with relative ease.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 18, 2021, 05:57:01 AM

The series is not yet over and three test matches remain. If Indians get overconfident, then they will end up losing the series. The weather seems to be improved in England and it won't be impossible for the hosts to win the series by a margin of 2-1 or 3-1. And trust me, this has happened to the Indians manytimes before. And apart from Rahul and Rohit, none of the Indian batsmen are in good form. The victory in the second match temporarily took the focus away from the poor form of Pujara, Rahane, Kohli and Pant.

You are right. If the Indian players are more confident, they will lose the series. It is not easy to win against them in England. In the previous match, England's batting collapsed in a very bad way so India won. There is no reason to think that something like that will happen in the next match too. The England management must have realized their mistakes and will take appropriate action to correct them.

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The series is not yet over and three test matches remain. If Indians get overconfident, then they will end up losing the series. The weather seems to be improved in England and it won't be impossible for the hosts to win the series by a margin of 2-1 or 3-1. And trust me, this has happened to the Indians manytimes before. And apart from Rahul and Rohit, none of the Indian batsmen are in good form. The victory in the second match temporarily took the focus away from the poor form of Pujara, Rahane, Kohli and Pant.

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England team lost the track when they started with the bouncer tactics and more importantly they were looking for revenge against Bumrah and Shami instead of getting their wickets. (Bumrah 10 ball over with bouncer against Jimmy triggered every Englishmen in the team). Joe Root also joined the bowler and gave them freedom to attack specially against Bumrah, they even opened the field and 7 fielders were sitting at boundary line. Here Bumrah-Shami took the advantage and went to score big partnership.

LOL.. if this was what happened, then I feel sorry for the Brits. They allowed emotions to take over, and from a position where they had an advantage they went on to lose the match. Revenge against Bumrah should be taken against Kohli, because he was the mastermind from the Indian side. And it was not something that should be considered when the outcome of the match remains at knife's edge. I have ridiculed Kohli's tactics for many years. But I need to admit that in this case he did the right thing.

Yeah..

At start every commentator on microphone was jumping on England's tactics and giggling but started ranting against Jimmy and Root when Bumrah-Shami crossed the 50 runs partnership. During last wickets i switched the steaming Sky to Sony and damn Sunil Gavaskar was in very good form, he was pissing on everyone lol.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 17, 2021, 11:41:31 PM

England team lost the track when they started with the bouncer tactics and more importantly they were looking for revenge against Bumrah and Shami instead of getting their wickets. (Bumrah 10 ball over with bouncer against Jimmy triggered every Englishmen in the team). Joe Root also joined the bowler and gave them freedom to attack specially against Bumrah, they even opened the field and 7 fielders were sitting at boundary line. Here Bumrah-Shami took the advantage and went to score big partnership.

LOL.. if this was what happened, then I feel sorry for the Brits. They allowed emotions to take over, and from a position where they had an advantage they went on to lose the match. Revenge against Bumrah should be taken against Kohli, because he was the mastermind from the Indian side. And it was not something that should be considered when the outcome of the match remains at knife's edge. I have ridiculed Kohli's tactics for many years. But I need to admit that in this case he did the right thing.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 17, 2021, 08:33:44 AM

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The partnership between Shami and Bumrah changed the course of the match. I don't know what happened to the England bowlers. Mark Wood was in terrific form, and the way he chokeslammed Cheteshwar Pujara was exceptional. But the same Mark Wood failed miserably against two genuine tailend batsmen. Even the ever reliable James Anderson proved ineffective against the two. And the England captain made the big mistake of giving maximum number of overs to his least effective bowler (Moeen Ali).

England team lost the track when they started with the bouncer tactics and more importantly they were looking for revenge against Bumrah and Shami instead of getting their wickets. (Bumrah 10 ball over with bouncer against Jimmy triggered every Englishmen in the team). Joe Root also joined the bowler and gave them freedom to attack specially against Bumrah, they even opened the field and 7 fielders were sitting at boundary line. Here Bumrah-Shami took the advantage and went to score big partnership.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on August 17, 2021, 07:52:31 AM

The main turning point in India's match win was the partnership of Shami and Bumrah. No one could have imagined such a remarkable partnership in the 9th wicket partnership. Though the Indian bowlers did not do well in the first innings, they surprised everyone in the second innings. It's hard for me to believe that such a batting disaster for the England team could happen at home.

The partnership between Shami and Bumrah changed the course of the match. I don't know what happened to the England bowlers. Mark Wood was in terrific form, and the way he chokeslammed Cheteshwar Pujara was exceptional. But the same Mark Wood failed miserably against two genuine tailend batsmen. Even the ever reliable James Anderson proved ineffective against the two. And the England captain made the big mistake of giving maximum number of overs to his least effective bowler (Moeen Ali).

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